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Facebook Starts Its Facial Recognition Push To Europeans (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: Jimmy Nsubuga, a journalist at Metro, is among several European Facebook users who have reported getting notifications asking if they want to turn on face recognition technology. Facebook has previously said an opt-in option would be pushed out to all European users, and also globally, as part of changes to its T&Cs and consent flow. In Europe, the company is hoping to convince users to voluntarily allow it to deploy the privacy-hostile tech -- which was turned off in the bloc after regulatory pressure, back in 2012, when Facebook began using facial recognition to offer features such as automatically tagging users in photo uploads. But under impending changes to its T&Cs -- ostensibly to comply with the EU's incoming GDPR data protection standard -- the company has crafted a manipulative consent flow that tries to sell people on giving it their data; including filling in its own facial recognition blanks by convincing Europeans to agree to it grabbing and using their biometric data after all. Users who choose not to switch on facial recognition still have to click through a "continue" screen before they get to the off switch. On this screen Facebook attempts to convince them to turn it on -- using manipulative examples of how the tech can "protect" them.

42 comments

  1. If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the EU.. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    If a non-EU resident puts their residence as an EU city on FB and maybe VPNs in a few times from the EU, will their account be covered under GDPR?

  2. Sigh by zippo01 · · Score: 1

    Didn't we just have a post about how Palantir is selling info to the US Government and China using facial recognition to track and rate people? How could this go wrong for anyone?!? The real problem is with all this we still don't know how long the US coast line is. Dammit FB do something constructive for a change.

  3. URL slug is /2018/04/20/just-say-no/ by greenwow · · Score: 1

    I think TechCrunch is trying to tell us something.

    1. Re:URL slug is /2018/04/20/just-say-no/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, you pay attention to your address bar?

    2. Re:URL slug is /2018/04/20/just-say-no/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're telling us that they're not an unbiased new source.

    3. Re:URL slug is /2018/04/20/just-say-no/ by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      Listen, using double negatives don't or rather does not make for proper English.
       
      Not that you're vying for the position of next /. editor.

      But back to topic: I would like Europe to be the last untouched frontier. Let the Zuckman have the colonies. In other words, here across the pond, his fellow 'muricans are his petri dish.

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  4. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by Immerman · · Score: 2

    I can't think of any even vaguely tenuous reason why it would.

    However, you might be able to trick Facebook into giving you EU-resident treatment anyway.

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  5. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 1

    And what if you are an EU citizen living in the US?

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  6. Like it or Not! by BoRegardless · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It will make no difference to China, the NSA, Thiel & Russia.

    They all want total knowledge for total control ... if and when needed to end dissent.

  7. Europeans need to start their own push, by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

    ... to delete Facebook. FB needs to die, to make room for social media that serves the interests of its users, rather than serving advertisers, companies like Cambridge Analytica, and other such vile putrid scum. Facebook needs to die fast and hard, to discourage investors from betting their money on business models that that rely on abusing their fellow citizens.

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    1. Re:Europeans need to start their own push, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How does a company run serving the interest of users without a paid subscription? At some point, the cost of hardware, software, up keep, marketing, etc will draw you to advertise, and once you do, it is a slippery slope.

      I ask for sake of learning.

      However, do not give me idealogical answers. Give me practical ones that can actually be implemented.

    2. Re:Europeans need to start their own push, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking of general-audience advertising, similar to ads on television, that cast a wide net and maybe hook a few folks' mild curiosity. There would be no need to mine or monetize user profile data, or the need to track user preferences for riding lawn mowers.
       
      Maybe current advertisers are doing things wrong e.g. flash-based or animated gifs that distract, girls in bikinis, or humongous banners like the obscenely large billboard that covers the meat of a slashdot article. They better get creative to eliminate these lame attempts from the last century that are so in-your-face. I am not a marketing droid; guys in that line of work are NOT going to be replaced by robots anytime soon, because creativity is a prerequisite.

  8. Kill Facebook, jail Zuckerberg by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    That's the only way this shit will stop. Haven't you all had quite enough of this shit?

    1. Re:Kill Facebook, jail Zuckerberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really who the fuck cares? those that are happy to put their data their don't care enough about its safety and those of us like myself who would never trust them with anything but the barest of basic information (and much of that fake) are unaffected.

    2. Re:Kill Facebook, jail Zuckerberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is that Facebook has a profile on you as well, whether you like it or not.

    3. Re:Kill Facebook, jail Zuckerberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One just hopes that EU will avoid the mess that the US FB crowd is in. No need to feed the Russian trolls.

    4. Re:Kill Facebook, jail Zuckerberg by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Yes, exactly, and that's why I think all so-called 'social media' should also go away and be banned. The experiment is a failure, it's not benefical overall to people in general, it's time it all goes away and we go back to actually TALKING to each other instead.

  9. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by gravewax · · Score: 2

    GDPR is applicable world wide to all EU citizens or people residing in the EU. Facebook can be fined for GDPR violations in the US if you are an EU citizen living in the US. your scenario would not be covered by GDPR as you would be neither an EU citizen nor residing in the EU, lying on forms and network routing doesn't change those facts.

  10. Re: NEVER trust jew suckerberg: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crazy much?

  11. Another reason to by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    stay away from social media. Once friends of friends start to tag images, governments, police and employers will follow the data trail.

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    1. Re:Another reason to by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You can disable to be tagged in images since ... since ever more or less.

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  12. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No Just because I live in merkin land doesn't mean I am not an EU citiizen.

  13. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    I am actually a dual US and EU-country citizen, but Facebook has no way of knowing that unless I "tell" them by logging in from the EU, or specifying an EU city as my place of residence.

  14. I'll opt in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...if I get to kick Zuck in the nuts. Just once. Pretty please...

  15. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
    I am actually a dual US and EU-country citizen

    So Facepalm is entitled to half lie to you, and sell half your personal data - the half that is most valuable to them.

    However, you have the right to carry a half-concealed weapon and shoot Facepalm CxOs half-dead.

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  16. Does facebook ask ... by Alain+Williams · · Score: 4, Insightful

    their user, when seeking permission for face recognition, if they have asked all their friends if they are OK with facebook to recognising their faces ? I doubt it. So using the agreement of one facebook user facebook will work on the faces of many who have not agreed - and might not be aware that this is happening.

    1. Re:Does facebook ask ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, how can they find if that face is of a person that choose to not be recognized, without recognize it first?

    2. Re:Does facebook ask ... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No you don't understand the point. Facial recognition still happens, the point here is that Facebook doesn't auto-tag or suggest who the person may be.

  17. No, regulate them! Alternative is - RÉN R by mimino · · Score: 1

    There is world-wide competition to be the social network of the planet. Chinese or Russian platforms will take over the void immediately if Facebook is killed. No, let's find another solution.

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  19. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    EU law most of the time is only valid in the EU.
    Every human being is under jurisdiction of the laws at the place he/she resides.

    Unless it is an US law, ofc. which claim to be valid world wide.

    AND: unless there are special laws e.g. like some EU or Scandinavian countries have against child abuse or child/minor prostitution where you can get prosecuted in your home country if you committed a crime in a foreign country (by definition of your home country).

    Anyway, the EU does not claim their laws are valid all over the world, that would be nonsense and not enforceable anyway.

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    Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
  20. Say NO to Jew Suckerberg: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read, know thy enemy: Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (non-jews): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were these nations banishing them a lie? Argentines in 1940 under Peron, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms, Spanish inquistion & Spain 1492 and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it (which JEWgle's JEWTube has blocked, there are links below though that are not blocked proving it is truth) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

    Mark Zuckerberg who STOLE facebook's code from the Winklevoss twins (who dusted him in court on it) calling his users "DUMB FUCKS" & spied on his collegiate classmates via 'fakebook', home of bots and spying/tracking you, now in court FRYING (rightfully so). He also PAID OFF the courts (by political contributions like Jew AIPAC does) on the MAJORITY of the council judges there. He STILL had to apologize!

    Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?...

    Like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer

    John Podesta Hillary's pal again, is another JUDE with a pedophile brother (both = satanists too imo).

    "Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer so I wasnâ(TM)t lying â" and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveâ Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...

    Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread (which THIS video covers in detail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU8Y1743QoY/ & how they ran the black slave trade + how they say a prayer to KILL US ALL (goyim) during passover), infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    or https://www.youtube.com/watch?... too!

    Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ (now blocked by JEWgle JEWTube, but this one is not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BKDj_1vVU/ ). No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.

    Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find AMUSING

  21. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by gravewax · · Score: 1

    For GDPR they do claim their law is valid throughout the world, it will be interesting when it comes time to prosecute though as unless the company has direct EU premises and business it will be difficult to enforce.

  22. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    The GDPR is only relevant in the EU for citizens, residents and companies doing business in the EU.

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  23. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by gravewax · · Score: 1

    NO IT ISN'T. It is applicable to all companies that interact or do business with any company or individual with data of an EU citizen regardless of location of the company.

  24. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    And how would that work?
    Or did you somehow mistype?

    Obviously it is valid for every european company.
    Does not matter if it does business with non eu companies or not.

    If I have an account on a web site in 'Oceania' ... EU laws don't apply. We are not idiots.

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  25. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by gravewax · · Score: 1

    If I have an account on a web site in 'Oceania' ... EU laws don't apply. We are not idiots.

    Actually under GDPR EU law does apply, at least according to the EU. How will it work? no idea, that is one of the big discussion points in GDPR as realistically they have no means of enforcement outside of the EU, nor means of investigation etc.

  26. Re:No, regulate them! Alternative is - RÉN R by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Okay. Pass laws that they're not allowed to track or collect ANY data of ANY kind, a persons data and content is their property and theirs alone, violations are criminally prosecutable. They have to charge a subscription fee, too, so no social media site has an excuse to be covertly selling data that isn't theirs. Data breaches are also criminally prosecutable as criminal negligence. Everyone has to use their real, legal name, provide verifiable government ID to prove they are who they say they are, and background checks become mandated by the federal government; this is to keep out foreign nationals so no more 'fake news' bullshit can happen. I'm sure I can come up with more.

  27. Re:If an non-EU resident claims to reside in the E by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    And how would that be the case?
    If a company does not offer services in the EU via an EU branch there is no way to enforce such a law.

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