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AI Trained To Navigate Develops Brain-Like Location Tracking (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Now that DeepMind has solved Go, the company is applying DeepMind to navigation. Navigation relies on knowing where you are in space relative to your surroundings and continually updating that knowledge as you move. DeepMind scientists trained neural networks to navigate like this in a square arena, mimicking the paths that foraging rats took as they explored the space. The networks got information about the rat's speed, head direction, distance from the walls, and other details. To researchers' surprise, the networks that learned to successfully navigate this space had developed a layer akin to grid cells. This was surprising because it is the exact same system that mammalian brains use to navigate. More DeepMind experiments showed that only the neural networks that developed layers that "resembled grid cells, exhibiting significant hexagonal periodicity (gridness)," could navigate more complicated environments than the initial square arena, like setups with multiple rooms. And only these networks could adjust their routes based on changes in the environment, recognizing and using shortcuts to get to preassigned goals after previously closed doors were opened to them. The study has been reported in the journal Science.

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  1. Just like the human mind! by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    This is just like the human mind. After all, it is called "DeepMind" and uses "neural networks". Surely it operates just like the human mind does! I mean look at what it can do: "could adjust their routes based on changes in the environment, recognizing and using shortcuts to get to preassigned goals after previously closed doors were opened to them." Truly groundbreaking results. And also "This was surprising because it is the exact same system that mammalian brains use to navigate." Truly amazing! These guys also know how mammalian brains navigate! How can I invest?

    1. Re:Just like the human mind! by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I was thinking "Roomba" myself: "How does that thing find the little dock??"

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    2. Re:Just like the human mind! by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. "Roomba" powered by DeepMind.

    3. Re:Just like the human mind! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It uses infrared beacons emitting a digital code, with a directional sensor on the vacuum itself.

    4. Re:Just like the human mind! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    5. Re: Just like the human mind! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Already been done:
      https://youtu.be/gqesEYUXr78

    6. Re:Just like the human mind! by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      The l'il vaccuum that returns to it's dock and proceeds to kick ass at Go on the internet.

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    7. Re: Just like the human mind! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice one, astroturfer! No they didn't, and no it isn't. What the eff is up with Slashdot's fetishization if this retarded technology?

    8. Re:Just like the human mind! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably more like the human mind than your mockery suggests. Far worse, AI could probably be trained to troll better than you do.

    9. Re:Just like the human mind! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


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    10. Re: Just like the human mind! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the eff is up with Slashdot's ACs these days? Can't tell the difference between a genuine astroturfer and an obvious troll without a /s tag?

    11. Re:Just like the human mind! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's almost like there are entire fields of knowledge you're completely unaware of, assuming that neuroscience hasn't progressed beyond the 70s.

      Doesn't explain your inability to learn this though. I'm guessing your brain is just old. Ironically science could probably help you there too these days, if anything new could leak past your faux cynicism.

  2. "solved" my ass by Khashishi · · Score: 2

    To solve a game means you know the optimum move to make (and therefore know the winner of the game from the start). Deepmind has only defeated humans, not solved the game.

    1. Re:"solved" my ass by mikael · · Score: 1

      What happens when it plays a game against itself? That's always the fun thing to do when playing with AI.

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    2. Re:"solved" my ass by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      You are missing the point: now that DeepMind has "solved" this Go problem, it will now be applied to "solve" another problem. Eventually it will be able to "solve" useful problems, given enough VC funding. If it can play Go AND figure out mazes, the sky is the limit here.

    3. Re:"solved" my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like when you let it play Global Thermonuclear War against itself?

      A STRANGE GAME
      THE ONLY WINNING MOVE IS
      NOT TO PLAY.

    4. Re:"solved" my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Countless Go players and lab rats will have to find other occupations.

    5. Re:"solved" my ass by Kjella · · Score: 2

      What happens when it plays a game against itself? That's always the fun thing to do when playing with AI.

      That's all AlphaGo Zero did for training, play Go against itself. They released some of the games in the final configuration, they're extremely hard for humans to understand, like a novice chess player who doesn't understand how the grandmaster moves affect the game ten moves down the road. Watch some of the live commentary/broadcast on Lee Sedol's second game, move 37... they're SO confused, some wondering if AlphaGo has gone off the rails. But as the game progresses it becomes very clear it's seen further than all of them and is the setup for a crushing attack. And that was a much earlier iteration that would be completely crushed by the latest one. They'll certainly be studied but it's uncertain how it's highly uncertain how much those AI vs AI mind games tell anyone else.

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  3. You mean they rebuilt the snake demo, Nokia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow.

  4. Wrong Journal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says reported in the journal Science, then links to an article in the journal Nature.

    1. Re:Wrong Journal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently nobody gives a shit about accurate scientific citations on slashdot anymore. Science, Nature, whatever. Fuck it.

  5. Future Awaits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next step is to formulate the training set that causes the similar structures that are related to self awareness and consciousness to emerge in the machine. The promise of independent verification must be feeling very nice for the neuroscientists.

  6. Obviously all male team. by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Half the Natural Intelligence on the planet knows that if you just ask for directions will get you faster there than playing with gizmos.

    1. Re:Obviously all male team. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you don't ask for directions much. Many of the times I've asked for directions the directions were wrong.

  7. Re:AI had an affair with my wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A dildo is NOT "AI."

  8. Evolution by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

    Pretty fascinating that evolution takes the same path, biological or mechanical, when presented with the same challenge situation. Super fascinating. Makes you wonder about mammals, if a computer is evolving the same mechanisms as real-world life did.

    1. Re:Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's super fascinating is how advertising stunts where they use words like "AI", "mind", "neural" actually fool us in believing those algorithms really work like brains. I don't deny the advances in neural networks and such, but from this to comparing them to natural intelligence is a loooong way.

    2. Re:Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Comp Sci Neural nets are nothing like brain function, they are basically just weighted directed acyclic graphs. That's it. They are most similar to feature detectors using if-then clusters.

      There is no "thinking", no brain-like behavior.

      The article tells us that there is an efficient way to solve the problem, not that our algorithms are anything like brains.

    3. Re:Evolution by Dagger2 · · Score: 1

      You say that as if you think that our brains aren't just weighted directed acyclic graphs -- but that is in opposition to the article and the research, which seems to demonstrate that that's pretty much what brains are, at least for this particular part of their functionality.

    4. Re:Evolution by raftpeople · · Score: 1

      Disagree. This is an interesting result, that the physical structure of the network (as seen in rats and used in this neural net), outperforms the network that is not structurally similar to the thing that it is modeling (e.g. 3d or 2d space).

      Neural nets are universal function approximators, but that doesn't mean that all nets are equal. Mapping the structure of the net to the problem being solved to achieve better results is shown to be valid and important, and nature obviously discovered this as well.

    5. Re:Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just a model of the brain, for the current available state of the art and human knowledge. Don't mistake the model for the real thing. Not so long ago science had this model of the Earth being flat, scientifically proven with the knowledge of that era.

      Science evolves, and its evolution never ends.

  9. Evolution-Outie instead of innie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think divine rules, so instead of a random dice game over millions of years, we have particular designs falling out from the progression of the universe.

  10. Blame the "journalist" by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

    Yep, that's a pretty shitty scientific-journalism article. Go isn't solved, AI players now beat human players. Throwing out a definition of "navigation" like anyone doesn't know what it is. Claiming we know how brains navigate. And I really almost missed the link to the ACTUAL paper at the bottom.

    But the paper? The paper doesn't jump out as immediate shit. For example, apparently we DO know how mammalian brains navigate:

    [AI fails] to rival the proficiency of mammalian spatial behaviour, which is underpinned by grid cells in the entorhinal cortex (Hafting, T., Fyhn, M., Molden, S., Moser, M.-B. & Moser, E. I. Microstructure of a spatial map in the entorhinal cortex. Nature 436, 801–806 (2005).)

    huh.

    And then these people tried to mimic that. "Here we set out to leverage the computational functions of grid cells to develop a deep reinforcement learning agent with mammal-like navigational abilities". It's not that AI developed this, the researchers specifically developed AI to have it. The research is real. It's kinda interesting. It's nothing ground-breaking (and actually seems kinda.... college-student level... but I dunno) but is another incremental improvement in the field of study.

    The fuckwit journalist who butchered it (that's DIANA GITIG - 5/11/2018, 5:15 AM btw) needs to stop with the hype bullshit. It diminishes arstechnica as a trash rag that can't even report on pop science.

    1. Re:Blame the "journalist" by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      It diminishes arstechnica as a trash rag that can't even report on pop science.

      How can anybody diminish arstechnica any more than it already is?

      0% journalism, 100% clickbait.

  11. Teaching killer robots to navigate the environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The military uses of this are apocalyptic.

  12. "the company" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is what they are called now.