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Tidal Is Reportedly Months Behind On Royalty Payments To Labels (theverge.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the day-late-and-a-dollar-short dept.

According to a report from Dagens Naeringsliv, streaming service Tidal is "behind with payments directly to the three major international record companies." The claim is backed up by two executives from a label and its Sony-owned distributor. They say they have not seen royalty payments in over six months. The Verge reports: According to a translation by Music Business Worldwide, Sveinung Rindal, CEO of distribution company Phonofile (a Sony subsidiary), told the Norwegian paper, "It is correct that there are delays in payments from Tidal," while Frithjof Boye Hungnes, CEO of Propeller Recordings, confirmed, "We have not been paid since October ... People are talking about withdrawing [their music from Tidal]; I think there is a pretty upset mood." Last December, a separate report from the same newspaper said that Tidal was running out of money, suggesting that it only had about six months of working capital left. The news comes shortly after the service was accused of faking the streaming numbers for Kanye West and Beyonce. Tidal is denying any such wrongdoings, saying: "We have experienced negative stories about Tidal since its inception and we have done nothing but grow the business each year."

40 comments

  1. Not denying by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tidal is denying any such wrongdoings, saying: "We have experienced negative stories about Tidal since its inception and we have done nothing but grow the business each year."

    That is exactly the opposite of a denial.

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    1. Re:Not denying by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's definitely more of a deflection.

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    2. Re:Not denying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they should just switch to using input boxes instead.. problem solved

    3. Re:Not denying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone let grandpa on the computer again.

    4. Re:Not denying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this the opposite of a denial? I don't see a confirmation of any wrongdoings.

  2. Sounds like my last job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I left before it went under and took many with it. And they blamed me. For leaving. As if I stayed it wouldn't have. I saw the books. I knew it was happening.

    1. Re:Sounds like my last job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So that's why one of the gay bars shut down near Apple HQ recently? So they lost you, their best pole smoker?

    2. Re:Sounds like my last job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny you would know that. LOL

  3. Labels? What about by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    the poor starving artists? Isn't this kind of service supposed to pay the actual people who create ? /s

    1. Re:Labels? What about by youngone · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I did a quick search and it looks like Jay Z owns Tidal, but he sold 33% to Sprint for $200 million.
      I want to hate someone involved here, but am not sure who the bad guy is.

      On one side is the odious Jay Z and his stupid music service which seems have misreported the sales of the corporate shill Beyonce and the mentally unwell Kanye West, presumably in order to make them more money. (Although I am not sure how that would work).

      On the other hand there is the music industry cartel who will be desperate for Tidal to fail, despite never coming up with an original thought themselves.

      Maybe I will just continue to hate them all and also continue to withhold my money from all of them.

    2. Re:Labels? What about by omnichad · · Score: 2

      Doesn't say that they're behind on payments to ASCAP/BMI/SESAC, though the performance royalty would come from the label and it's up to the label to decide whether to pay ahead of getting the money.

    3. Re:Labels? What about by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall a story from just a short while ago which suggested Tidal had paid a couple artists very well indeed.

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    4. Re:Labels? What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mentally unwell Kanye West

      desperate for Tidal to fail, despite never coming up with an original thought themselves

      Likewise, there are those who are desperate for Western civilization to fall, despite not even understanding the puerile fantasies of a lecherous London bum named Karl Marx.

    5. Re:Labels? What about by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      A short while ago? As in, when you read the summary above and it was mentioned in the second to last sentence:

      The news comes shortly after the service was accused of faking the streaming numbers for Kanye West and Beyonce.

    6. Re:Labels? What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christ, you are a fucking dullard.

    7. Re: Labels? What about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man ya'll white folks is pissed at Kanye for leaving the plantation. Really strapping him to the whipping post for this one.

    8. Re:Labels? What about by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      Having heterodox political views does not make you mentally unwell. Unless you're in the Soviet Union, or have a political view that sympathizes with the Soviet Union.

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    9. Re:Labels? What about by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Supporting Trump is the sanest thing Kanye has ever done.

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    10. Re:Labels? What about by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that qualify as "a short while ago"?

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    11. Re:Labels? What about by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      which seems have misreported the sales of the corporate shill Beyonce and the mentally unwell Kanye West

      You gave me a good lol today. Well stated.

    12. Re:Labels? What about by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Having heterodox political views does not make you mentally unwell.

      That the least of his problem.

      ‘I am God’s vessel. But my greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.’

      ‘Sometimes people write novels and they just be so wordy and so self-absorbed. I am not a fan of books. I would never want a book’s autograph. I am a proud non-reader of books.’

      ‘One of the problems with being a bubbling source of creativity – it’s like I’m bubbling in a laboratory, and if you don’t put a cap on it, at one point it will, like, break the glass. If I can hone that then I have, like, nuclear power, like a superhero, like Cyclops when he puts his glasses on.’

    13. Re:Labels? What about by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      So? That's not mental illness. He doesn't read books? So do most people. The fact you want him hospitalized is fucked up. He's not mentally ill, but saying that he is allows you to avoid talking about his political views, and suppressing heterodox political views is what it's all about today.

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  4. MQA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, has anybody tried those MQA HiRes streams from Tidal and compared it to a normal track? With the right hardware of course.

    1. Re: MQA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have tried MQA (I signed up to Tidal specifically for that reason). The equipment I used did not have hardware decoding of MQA but was otherwise of good quality but although there was an improvement in sound it was not enough to justify the increased cost of a Tidal subscription. I cancelled after the 30 day trial.

    2. Re: MQA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mqa library is rather thin to justify the service.

    3. Re:MQA by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Absolutely not worth it.

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  5. Dupe article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You fucking moderators, can't you do anything right?

    1. Re:Dupe article by war4peace · · Score: 1

      They are following Tidal's model by artificially inflating their story count :)

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  6. Re:Dick Chopp doesn’t deny feeling up your n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you know that there is a urologist in Austin TX named Dick Chopp?!! Isn’t that cray cray?!!

    There is also a Russian cleric named Rabbi Cutyacockoff.

  7. It seems by maroberts · · Score: 1

    ... the tide is going out

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  8. Badly run service for sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah not sure who's to blame for this mess of a streaming service? But not paying royalties and having a name like Jay Z tied to the service doesn't make Jay Z look very good. Thought the whole ideal of Tidal was to benefit artists and if their not being paid that's not cool.

  9. Swing and a miss by GrandCow · · Score: 2

    Looks like Tidal was a cash grab hoping to get acquired by a larger company before they ran out of income. I assume the manipulated numbers for Kanye and Beyonce were because they were getting restless that the offer of a buyout hadn't come as fast as was promised behind closed doors when Jay Z was looking for investors.

    KANYE WEST (@kanyewest) July 30, 2016
    "Apple give Jay his check for Tidal now and stop tying to act like you Steve"

    Seems Kanye knew the plan from the start.

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  10. Tidal? What's a Tidal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Said pretty much everyone, everywhere.

    Tim

    1. Re:Tidal? What's a Tidal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I use this service to do my laundry?

  11. Who? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Perhaps a little blurb about what Tidal is, why one would use it instead of Spotify, Google, Pandora, Amazon, etc.?

    1. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Supposedly the big draw was lossless streaming audio, but the single biggest draw I can recall was when Kanye announced Life of Pablo as being Tidal-exclusive.

    2. Re:Who? by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Perhaps a little blurb about what Tidal is, why one would use it instead of Spotify, Google, Pandora, Amazon, etc.?

      They stream supposedly lossless audio. Supposedly because you can pay for more expensive plans that give you lossy audio (go figure).

      The idea behind it is somewhat sound - to offer high quality audio streaming. Instead of offering whatever those streams offer, you can stream losslessly encoded audio. Just like the maligned Pono store offered an easy way to buy lossless music.

      Of course, it only appeals to those who can stand its much higher costs, so it's not something you'd use if you were listening on your phone.

      It has a touch of audiophoolery to it, because you can pay even more for "MQA" audio (stands for "Master Quality Authenticated") which is supposedly a way to get "master studio quality audio" at lower bitrates (i.e., CD compatible). The trick is it's "backwards compatible" so you don't need an MQA player to listen to it, but one is preferred for "superior quality".

      The quotes are because it's pretty much crap - while you do get smaller files, it's mostly because you're actually reducing sample rates and bit depth, so you're left with a 44.1k/16bit or a 48k/16bit stream run through an "MQA" encoder which performs noticeably worse than if you simply used FLAC.

      Either way it's lossy, and even worse Meridian wants money from encoders, decoders and the like, and the wider audio community sees it as a poor half-assed way to "DRM" all music. "DRM" because the goal is not to protect rights, but rather, create a single monopoly standard getting everyone to pay Meridian for music.

      They also offer DSD streams, for extra audiophoolery. (DSD is worse than PCM as s distribution format).

  12. Life of Pablo? Draw? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.