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About $1.2 Billion in Cryptocurrency Stolen Since 2017 (reuters.com)

Criminals have stolen about $1.2 billion in cryptocurrencies since the beginning of 2017, as bitcoin's popularity and the emergence of more than 1,500 digital tokens have put the spotlight on the unregulated sector, according to estimates from the Anti-Phishing Working Group released on Thursday. From a report: The estimates were part of the non-profit group's research on cryptocurrency and include reported and unreported theft. "One problem that we're seeing in addition to the criminal activity like drug trafficking and money laundering using cryptocurrencies is the theft of these tokens by bad guys," Dave Jevans, chief executive officer of cryptocurrency security firm CipherTrace, told Reuters in an interview.

53 comments

  1. Out of the total market? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    $1.2B is pretty massive out of a $800B - $1T market.

    If 0.1% of your bank transactions were stolen with a 20% recovery rate we'd all be really pissed and demand government regulations.

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    1. Re:Out of the total market? by captbollocks · · Score: 1

      I believe credit card fraud is higher both in value and percentage terms, and the banks just build it into the credit card charges we pay...

    2. Re:Out of the total market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think credit card transaction fees exist?

      It's to cover fraud/theft with some margin for profit.

    3. Re:Out of the total market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Market cap isn't the actual amount in crypto. Market cap is a theoretical number if every coin was stable and wouldn't collapse immediately if people sold.

      The actual amount in crypto is more like 20 billion.

    4. Re:Out of the total market? by slew · · Score: 2

      Why do you think credit card transaction fees exist?

      It's to cover fraud/theft with some margin for profit.

      Unfortunately transaction fees don't cover the costs for fraud/theft. Basically credit card issuing banks are permitted to charge usury interest rates from people who carry monthly balances (and demographically are generally poor) to make their profit.

      The merchants and issuing banks pay transaction fees to the VISA/MC, but the banks charge the interest (and assume the fraud/theft risk).

      Just last year, VISA+MC received only $7.8B+$6.1B in worldwide transaction processing fees, but Citibank (one of the largest V/M card issuers ~15%) made a whopping $4B in credit card interest on a loan balance of $146B in the USA and Canada alone.

      Note the transaction fees are not only payed to Visa/MC, payment processors (like square) also take a cut of the fees paid by merchants before it even gets to Visa/MC.

      (fwiw, Visa also made $6B on currency exchange operations last year which is a profit center for them nearly equivalent to transaction processing fees).

      And if you are wondering where them money for "rewards" cards come from, basically it comes directly from the merchants who pay more to payment processors to clear rewards cards than cards without rewards...

    5. Re:Out of the total market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's pretty funny considering that most governments around the world, including YOURS, OUTRIGHT STEAL anywhere from 20% to 50% of your earnings from you every year.
      Seems to me you all should be getting *really pissed* and *DEMANDING* those government thieves be dissolved.

      Do NOT watch these videos
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nWoS6YjpPw

    6. Re:Out of the total market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the actual amount is:

      sum, of every newly generated coin, times market value at generation time, adjusted for inflation from then till now.

    7. Re:Out of the total market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, fees interest and taxes exist because you allowed them to put middlemen in the middle to defraud you.... you retards.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs

    8. Re:Out of the total market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's okay. I understand you haven't understood how to function as a member of society and view the social contract as some kind of imposition to your freedom.

      Read a fucking book instead of worshiping the Cliff Notes for Atlas Shrugged.

    9. Re:Out of the total market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The social contract is not an opt-in one. The SeaLand experiment proved this. If the gov't doesn't come for you, the pirates will. Collectively we have more influence over gov'ts in much of the world. Imperfect, like reality always is.

    10. Re:Out of the total market? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      $1.2B is pretty massive out of a $800B - $1T market.

      $1.2B is pretty massive in actual, real money. If someone steals $1.2B in household appliances, or oil, or gold, or Apple shares, or whatever, that's a serious amount. This is $1.2B in imaginary currency. They may as well be complaining about 1.2 billion Zorkmids, or Flanian Pobble beads, or Ankh-Morpork dollars, or Silver Stags being stolen.

    11. Re:Out of the total market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The adjective is usurious, you boong.

  2. "Stolen" by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    I think we know what really happened. #UsedToBeABitcoinBillionaire ;)

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  3. Does anyone happen to know by AlanObject · · Score: 1

    Of the reported $1.2B, how much of that is because naive BC traders uploaded their private keys to some site that turned out to be not trustworthy?

    I have used my Wells Fargo account online since before the bank itself actually had user-directed online services. I actually started by using "Check Free" via dial-up modem. I have never lost even one cent to theft (unless you count unreasonable bank fees -- and I had all those reversed.)

    So is this a crypt-currency flaw or irresponsible/unprepared website operator problem?

    1. Re:Does anyone happen to know by ole_timer · · Score: 3, Informative

      the way crypto currency works there is no bank involved. you load the "wallet" as a file onto your system that says how much you have and you generate a private key to open the wallet. you pay for the contents of the wallet. then as you spend (anonymously) the wallet is reduced by the block chain to show your spend and balance. idiots don't protect their wallet and private key as cash, so they get ripped off. stupido dumbo.

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    2. Re:Does anyone happen to know by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      anyone that uploads their private key deserves to get fleeced.

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    3. Re:Does anyone happen to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This:
      >website operator problem?

      Cryptocurrency is just math: super-incredibly-duper hard factorial math. In fact, no own's any such thing as a "Bitcoin", rather, they just have a very specific (but very BIG) numeric sequence that is 'key' to calculating the 'public key' answer; and, to this very specific answer (aka 'public key') may be assigned a specific value of a token (e.g., Bitcoin). So, anyone that properly solves (super^sha256-improbable without knowledge of the 'private key') the 'public key,' to which is currently assigned a Bitcoin amount, may transfer the associated BTC to any 'public key'.

      In short, I 'could' just say I was robbed, but in actuality, maybe that other guy was the rightful owner all along. Negligent Operator is, actually, the most, absolutely probable cause. I mean, was it really 'stolen' if you left your friend's math-homework on the bench, at the bus-stop?

  4. Isn't the bigger news by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Informative

    that the Justice Dept is criminally investigating people involved in fixing the price of bitcoin?

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    1. Re:Isn't the bigger news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is bigger; mainly because the gov't is actually devoting resources to Internet Magic Points?

    2. Re:Isn't the bigger news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No that's not news either.
      Price discovery, volatility, and even so called "manipulation" aka: standard endeavours of profitable businesses... are all completely normal on the open market. Especially for greenfield adoption of new segments such as cryptocurrency.

      Stop being such mommy coddled sheeple and apologists for the state fear factory and start being independant voluntary actors for yourselves and upon the world and for each other.

    3. Re:Isn't the bigger news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is bigger; mainly because the gov't is actually devoting resources to Internet Magic Points?

      I don't see people complaining that the gov't devoted resources to Langbar International or Bernie Madoff's imaginary investment holdings...

    4. Re:Isn't the bigger news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty fucking funny what the governments and corporations devote their resources to...

      do not watch these videos!!!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0-cgs51zEA
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj1BlagkIS8
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_Yl_JCdFg
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nBPN-MKefA
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dng2za_gWaw

  5. What is the value ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This pales in comparison to value of money diluted by fractional reserve banking every month. We lose purchasing power every time a central bank lends money into the money supply at interest secured by the taxpayer. You think I care if some fake money that got stolen from a fake monetary system that can be disrupted by flipping a switch?

    1. Re:What is the value ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We lose purchasing power every time a central bank lends money into the money supply at interest secured by the taxpayer.

      So we are showing our office to a design company a few buildings over and just chatting about the business and the stuff we make (we were all starting out and in our early 20s), there were lots of prototype bits around and adhesives and stuff, basically the office had a slight chemical smell to it.

      One of the guys from the design agency says “That smell, reminds me of inaudible half mumble, in my spare time I like to surf”. My dumb dumb brain decides he means he likes to surf the web and so I reply with “oh, you should check out Slashdot, it’s a pretty cool service for finding nerd news”.

      Everyone looks at me like I’m a total idiot but I just carried on as normal because my brain is still thinking: surfing the web and not the much more obvious surfing with wet suits that smell like our office does. I’m guessing the bit I didn’t hear was the word wetshits.

    2. Re:What is the value ... by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Everyone looks at me like I’m a total idiot but I just carried on as normal because my brain is still thinking: surfing the web and not the much more obvious surfing with wet suits that smell like our office does. I’m guessing the bit I didn’t hear was the word wetshits.

      If that was the oder I'd be a bit concerned about the space...

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  6. So what? by jdharm · · Score: 1

    About $1.2 Billion in Monopoly Money Stolen Since 2017

    There, fixed that for you.

    1. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's funny is that you just confirmed it has real value.
      So does everyone else who assigns any fiat price or quantity of goods and services to the losses.

      THANK YOU for yet again helping to set and confirm the minimum real market value of those lost coins ;)

  7. WoW by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

    How much WoW gold was stolen since 2017? I got ripped off on a socketed tower shield with diamonds in it in Diablo II once, too.

    1. Re:WoW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Outside of a legit formal exploit by the attacker upon the software system itself,

      whose fault was it that you got ripped off?
      The crook?
      Or you for not doing your research and falling for it?
      Or both?

      It was certainly not soley the crooks.

      So be very careful where you go around pointing your fingers and screaming for the state to nanny you and your dumb ass.

    2. Re:WoW by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Here I was making a joke and your reply makes me realize I've become a troll instead...

  8. Shocked! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I'm shocked at how low it is.

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  9. 1.2 billion or $1.20 or $0.12? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, what DAY did they price the theft?

    It could have been 1.2 billion or $1.20 depending on what day they valued the theft.

    I mean really, one would be better off speculating on Venezuelan Bolivar.

  10. All cryptocurrencies and ICOs are scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are (any) fiat-currency and (any) cryptocurrency really equivalent, as cryptocurrency fans claim?
    For example, US Dollar and Bitcoin are really equals?
    Value/validity/authorization of US dollar is provided/guaranteed by US Government (and in-turn whole US Public)!
    Also, not to mention, US Dollars in any US Bank is insured by US Government!
    What authorization/guarantee/insurance is behind Bitcoin? Nothing!
    Sorry but that is the end of discussion then!

    Why do you think Satoshi Nakamoto is really hiding his identity, if Bitcoin is really such a great innovation?
    He is just someone does not like media/fan attention?
    Or, could it be really because Bitcoin (and all cryptocurrencies followed it) are actually Ponzi Schemes?
    (So he knew very well that law enforcement would come after him sooner or later?!)

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really good innovation, why they attract so many criminals/criminal activity?
    Could it really be because, all cryptocurrencies themselves are scams, and that is why they attract all kinds of criminals/criminal activity?

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really currency, why no company/store can use Bitcoin as currency anymore?
    Because the price of Bitcoin proved to be extremely unstable to use as a currency?
    Would the result be different, if Bitcoin replaced by any other "cryptocurrency"?
    Aren't all work the same way?

    If so-called cryptocurrencies are really money; isn't people issuing their own money, illegal already, in all countries?
    If so then, why they are still not banned in all countries?

    Or, they are not actually virtual currency but virtual investment?
    But, if they are actually investment, why we need/want them?
    What would happen to world economy, if people invested in virtual investments, instead of real investments?

    Or, all so-called cryptocurrencies are actually just a modified (made decentralized and paying variable interest) Ponzi Schemes?
    (Price of cryptocurrencies would keep increasing in the long term (by their design), so it is equivalent of paying variable interest to all long term investors.)

    Also, since all so-called cryptocurrencies are actually financial scams (Ponzi Schemes), that means, they cannot be the solution for any of existing financial problems of our world!

    As more and more people invest in cryptocurrencies, it will become harder and harder to ban their trading everywhere (because people invested in cryptocurrencies, would try to stop anyone trying to ban cryptocurrencies)!
    All cryptocurrencies need to be banned globally before it is too late!

    1. Re:All cryptocurrencies and ICOs are scams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are (any) fiat-currency and (any) cryptocurrency really equivalent, as cryptocurrency fans claim?
      For example, US Dollar and Bitcoin are really equals?

      No, cryptocurrency is actually better, far better.

      Value/validity/authorization of US dollar is provided/guaranteed by US Government (and in-turn whole US Public)!

      False, no it isn't... you won't back the US Treasury debt to China and everywhere else with your slave labor.

      Also, not to mention, US Dollars in any US Bank is insured by US Government!

      False, the FDIC cannot sustain broadside debt beyond a few $100k accounts in a few puny institutions. You have no idea what this insurance scheme is.

      What authorization/guarantee/insurance is behind Bitcoin? Nothing!

      The decision of millions globally to use it while awake, and keep it in their accounts while they sleep at night.

      Why do you think Satoshi Nakamoto is really hiding his identity, if Bitcoin is really such a great innovation?
      He is just someone does not like media/fan attention?

      No, developers of global game changers, wealth and power redistributors, market openers, etc... are at extreme risk of slaughter by the soon to be extinct old powers.

      Or, could it be really because Bitcoin (and all cryptocurrencies followed it) are actually Ponzi Schemes?
      (So he knew very well that law enforcement would come after him sooner or later?!)

      False, there is no Ponzi, everyone has free and open market choice to buy and sell at whatever price points they wish, bet it during upswings, downwsings, and steady state.

      If so-called cryptocurrencies are really good innovation, why they attract so many criminals/criminal activity?
      Could it really be because, all cryptocurrencies themselves are scams, and that is why they attract all kinds of criminals/criminal activity?

      False, fiat currencies around the globe are far more used worldwide for criminal activity.

      If so-called cryptocurrencies are really currency, why no company/store can use Bitcoin as currency anymore?

      Because they choose not to, no other reason.

      Because the price of Bitcoin proved to be extremely unstable to use as a currency?

      All forex markets are unstable. Fiat lifetimes are extremely short and volatile in perspective.

      Would the result be different, if Bitcoin replaced by any other "cryptocurrency"?
      Aren't all work the same way?

      Pegged to goods and services, no.

      If so-called cryptocurrencies are really money; isn't people issuing their own money, illegal already, in all countries?
      If so then, why they are still not banned in all countries?

      Because they see the writing on the wall and they want in, badly, before they miss out and their beloved fiat devalues into nothing over years of relentless conversion into cryptocurrency.

      Or, they are not actually virtual currency but virtual investment?

      Both, until steady forex is reached, then only currency.

      But, if they are actually investment, why we need/want them?

      Invest to profit, duh.

      What would happen to world economy, if people invested in virtual investments, instead of real investments?

      Nothing. Most real investments are scams. And benefitting first round investors primarily.

      Or, all so-called cryptocurrencies are actually just a modified (made decentralized and paying variable interest) Ponzi Schemes?

      No. Forex in, forex out. Utilization presure and printing determines market price. Straight up fair game.

      (Price of cryptocurrencies would keep increasing in the long term (by their design), so it is equivalent of paying variable interest to all long term investors.)

      No.

      Also, since all so-called cryptocurrencies are actually financial scams (Ponzi Schemes), that means, they cannot be the solution for any of existing financial problems of our world!

      Again, not ponzis. You ***seriously*** need to get a clue on this.

      As more and more people invest in cryptocurrencies, it will become harder and harder to ban

  11. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One point two "billion" "dollars" in imaginary play money was stolen last year. And? My sister used to cheat at Monopoly too, I'm pretty sure. (Otherwise, how'd she win so often at what is basically a game of chance?!?) In that case, a lot of fake, imaginary money was being stolen too. The difference, I suppose, is that this slashdot story is talking about people who confused PLAY money with REAL money, and even BOUGHT some using REAL money, which you'd think would keep them silent, when they realized the degree of embarrassment they should feel at being ripped off in this way, as it makes them look... REALLY stupid.

  12. So 1.2 billion of nothing was stolen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazing to see everyone excited about an unbacked made up currency that relies on the honor system with zero checks and balances.

  13. Can't steal something that doesn't exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot groupthink usually says you can't steal IP - Imaginary Property. So, by that yardstick - how can you steal Imaginary Currency? It makes no sense to own imaginary stuff.

    1. Re:Can't steal something that doesn't exist by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      You can steal a secret.

  14. Flooz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does this compare to the great Flooz heist of 1999?

  15. Does this number include.... by barakn · · Score: 1

    ... cryptocurrency intentionally paid to the operators of ransomware? And yeah, I didn't RTFA.

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    1. Re:Does this number include.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why did you pay the ransom?

      because you used fucking shit closed source microsoft windows products for your system.
      and in soooo many to most cases... you opened and clicked the goddamned link like a dumbass.

      try RTFing the BSD and Linux manuals sometime. kthx.

  16. criminals by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    at least 25 percent of bitcoin is used for criminal activity, what percent of this was crooks getting their money stolen by other crooks? should I care?

    1. Re:criminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no you should not care.

      especially because any such activity both
      - occurs in the same relative fractions with every fiat currency on the planet
      - is being dwarfed by the mass of legit uses in the market

      and lastly, because in most cases of such criminal activity,
      let's just be honest (because you can't seem to have balls to use the words)
      and call it DRUG SALES.... there's NO VICTIM. so NO CRIME.
      Physical or theft against another is crime.
      Buying and selling things is not.

    2. Re:criminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no you should not care.

      especially because any such activity both
      - occurs in the same relative fractions with every fiat currency on the planet
      - is being dwarfed by the mass of legit uses in the market

      and lastly, because in most cases of such criminal activity,
      let's just be honest (because you can't seem to have balls to use the words)
      and call it DRUG SALES.... there's NO VICTIM. so NO CRIME.
      Physical or theft against another is crime.
      Buying and selling things is not.

      Precisely. I feel as though the powers that be are pushing too hard with their propoganda this time. Sure, most people will mindlessly obey their masters, but I feel too many people are aware of the fact that they're simply being oppressed. Drug dealing is not truly a crime, in itself it is an honest and respectful practice. Taxation and government regulation are true crimes, they betray disrespect for the individuals and have real, identifiable victims.

      Many people are made uncomfortable by this kind of reasoning because on some level they know it is a natural and logical position but it strikes at faulty assumptions about the world and about ethics that they've held all their lives. I do pity these people.

    3. Re:criminals by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      wrong, the big drug sellers that move millions do kill others. the drug cartels in mexico have body count in tens of thousands.

      the "victimless" part of drug trafficking is the local hippie rolling up the J, but not the people shipping in bales, they're dangerous

      bitcoin is not currency, is not money. game tokens. and quite illiquid these days too, one of many definitions of money that it doesn't adhere to.

      dollars though fiat are money.

      learn the difference

    4. Re:criminals by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      bullshit, tens of thousands of deaths due to drug cartels in mexico alone.

  17. lesson learned. by swell · · Score: 1

    Let this be a lesson, children.
    If this had been real money people coulda got hurt!
    Don't let this happen to you.

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  18. What is 'unreported theft'??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "include(d) reported and unreported theft."
    How is unreported theft determined or identified? Or even estimated?
    Is that theft of actual bitcoin or manipulation of the value?

  19. But it's only make-believe money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's make-believe money, so this is no big deal, right?

  20. In addition to? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forgive me but easier money laundering and safer drug dealing are two of the advantages of Bitcoin. These are not examples of Bitcoin being a problem but rather being a solution.

    Additionally, bitcoins can be stolen, but so too can fiat. Bitcoin provides some protections against theft by bad guys that fiat money does not. It's easier to evade taxes (prevent the government from stealing your money) with Bitcoin than it is with fiat.