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Newest NOAA Weather Satellite Suffers Critical Malfunction (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: The U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration released some bad news yesterday: the GOES-17 weather satellite that launched almost two months ago has a cooling problem that could endanger the majority of the satellite's value. GOES-17 is the second of a new generation of weather satellite to join NOAA's orbital fleet. Its predecessor is covering the U.S. East Coast, with GOES-17 meant to become "GOES-West." While providing higher-resolution images of atmospheric conditions, it also tracks fires, lightning strikes, and solar behavior. It's important that NOAA stays ahead of the loss of dying satellites by launching new satellites that ensure no gap in global coverage ever occurs.

Several weeks ago, it became clear that the most important instrument -- the Advanced Baseline Imager -- had a cooling problem. This instrument images the Earth at a number of different wavelengths, including the visible portion of the spectrum as well as infrared wavelengths that help detect clouds and water vapor content. The infrared wavelengths are currently offline. The satellite has to be actively cooled for these precision instruments to function, and the infrared wavelengths only work if the sensor stays below 60K -- that's about a cool -350F. The cooling system is only reaching that temperature 12 hours a day. The satellite can still produce visible spectrum images, as well as the solar and lightning monitoring, but it's not a glorious next-gen weather satellite without that infrared data.

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  1. Damn, that's COLD by haruchai · · Score: 1

    " the infrared wavelengths only work if the sensor stays below 60K -- that's about a cool -350F"

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    1. Re:Damn, that's COLD by ls671 · · Score: 0

      Sure it is cold but it is cold in space. The funny part in TFS is:

      The cooling system is only reaching that temperature 12 hours a day.

      It shouldn't be to hard to keep that temperature with no direct sunlight on the satellite like, when it is, say, in the shade of planet Earth which should be close to 12 hours a day if the satellite is close enough to Earth although not 12 consecutive hours.

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    2. Re:Damn, that's COLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is 62 Kelvin. Not degrees Kelvin since Kelvin is an absolute measurement. Either way, this cooling system was designed while George W Bush was president so we can't blame Obama.

    3. Re:Damn, that's COLD by ls671 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Busted, apparently the thing has a geostationary orbit so very little time in Earth shade, few minutes if not seconds. It would have been nice to mention the orbit in TFS but oh well...

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    4. Re:Damn, that's COLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > George W Bush

      Correct. He helped the economy so much that scientists left NASA for higher paying jobs like I did so this is his fault.

    5. Re:Damn, that's COLD by vtcodger · · Score: 2

      It might also have been nice to mention that this is one of four more or less identical satellites. The first -- GOES-16 was launched in late 2016 and has no cooling problems. The other two satellites are scheduled for future launch.

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    6. Re:Damn, that's COLD by guygo · · Score: 1

      Shhhhh.... be vewwy vewwy quiet, it's hunting picowatts.

    7. Re:Damn, that's COLD by BeauHD++(.)+(349) · · Score: 0

      Be more respectful

    8. Re:Damn, that's COLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The electronics also creates heat. This is a major problem in satellites since convection cooling does not work in a vacuum. An 60K is just very very cold.

  2. Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NOAA got the extended warranty from Best Buy.

    1. Re:Not a problem by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      But the on site support cost is going to be killer.

    2. Re:Not a problem by Megane · · Score: 1

      I await the Falcon 9 painted with the Geek Squad logo.

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  3. Re:Even though this problem happened before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is with the cooling system. It can currently only run 12 hours per day. That system was designed while Bush Jr. was our ruler, so this is his fault.

    CAPTCHA: emprorers. Funny how the Bush Crime Family considered themselves our emperors.

  4. Global warming ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... with my apologies.

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    1. Re:Global warming ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually solar warming.

    2. Re:Global warming ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      So is global.

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    3. Re:Global warming ... by haruchai · · Score: 1

      It's actually solar warming.

      The sun is getting warmer?

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    4. Re:Global warming ... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      It had better be! Or otherwise our astrophysical models are very, very wrong.

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    5. Re:Global warming ... by haruchai · · Score: 1

      It had better be! Or otherwise our astrophysical models are very, very wrong.

      Everyone knows you can't trust models. Any kind of models. :-D

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    6. Re: Global warming ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this a school for ants?

  5. Just Google it by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just ask Google for the weather.

    1. Re:Just Google it by youngone · · Score: 2

      Me too, but due to this satellite malfunctioning the weather is awful today.

  6. SpaceX by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    I am sure SpaceX can send a crew up and get it retrieved and repaired.

    1. Re:SpaceX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for a while (years). Their launch vehicle isn't yet human-rated. Right now there is nothing anyone on Earth can do to fix a satellite.

      America has bravely continued a fifty-year tradition of accomplishing less and less in space since the Apollo missions. Which sucks.

    2. Re:SpaceX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ULA launched it, make them send up a crew with whoever is at fault for the failure (assuming it isn't space debris or something else out of their control) footing the bill. More likely they'll make due for a few years with the satellites they have and launch another one with a instrument made by the same company for even more money (A defense contractor named Harris if you're curious).

      Rather simple Factsheet

    3. Re:SpaceX by rossdee · · Score: 2

      These satellites are in geosync orbit - 25000 miles up
      SpaceX hasn't got anything that can lift a crew up that high and bring them back to earth

    4. Re:SpaceX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have been trolled.

      HTH. HAND.

    5. Re:SpaceX by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC the NSA can fly its space plane up to any satellite.

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    6. Re:SpaceX by freeze128 · · Score: 2

      I wonder if Elon's roadster has a radiator...

    7. Re:SpaceX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The perfect test for a robotic repair mission...

    8. Re:SpaceX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable.

    9. Re:SpaceX by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      SpaceX hasn't got anything that can lift a crew up that high and bring them back to earth

      And neither does anyone else.

      An Apollo could have made it, but there haven't been any of them to be had for 40+ years.

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  7. Re:Even though this problem happened before... by haruchai · · Score: 1

    "That system was designed while Bush Jr. was our ruler,"

    If you used Bush as your ruler, you were designing it wrong

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  8. My fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I screwed up. Sorry.

    Slipped a picture of my smoking hot girlfriend into the satellite when nobody was looking. There is a slim chance they may be able to workaround the heating problem by positioning the coronagraph in front of her heavenly body.

  9. Use the X-37 by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    Repairman is a passenger and all vehicle operations using remote control.

  10. No backup? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm surprised the cooling system doesn't have a backup, it along with the reaction wheels and propulsion system are generally the first things to break down so there is generally some level of redundancy.

  11. Re:What's your contingency plan? by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    Truman: Contingency plan?
    Harry: Your backup plan. You gotta have some kind of backup plan, right?
    Truman: No, we don't have a back up plan, this is, uh
    Harry: And this is the best that you-that the government, the U.S. government could come up with? I mean, you're NASA for crying out loud, you put a man on the moon, you're geniuses! You're the guys that're thinking shit up! I'm sure you got a team of men sitting around somewhere right now just thinking shit up and somebody backing them up! You're telling me you don't have a backup plan,

  12. most important instrument had a cooling problem by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 0

    Well nuts. It seems Climate Change has now escaped into outer space. If it reaches the moon we're all in trouble -- where are we going to find enough pizza crust to hold all of that hot, gooey cheese?

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  13. Built by... by 4im · · Score: 1

    I wondered who built the thing. Well, according to Wikipedia, the satellite was made by Lockheed Martin, with this Advanced Baseline Imager being from Harris.

    1. Re:Built by... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It seams the pork barrel is running low again, time for an um,.... Failure, thats right a failure.

  14. Re:Even though this problem happened before... by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

    If you used Bush as your ruler, you were designing it wrong

    Everybody knows the proper unit of scale is a banana.

  15. Pun alert by OneAhead · · Score: 5, Funny

    GOES-17 meant to become "GOES-West."

    Gee, looks like they should have called it "GOES-South".

    I'll get my coat.

  16. Glorious? by Daralantan · · Score: 1

    -it's not a glorious next-gen weather satellite without that infrared data.

    Why that wording?

  17. Global warming by jqpublic13 · · Score: 1

    Satellite can't stay cool? Has global warming extended beyond earth's atmosphere already?

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  18. Launch a shade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Launch some repositionable gold foil as part of a microsatellite launch of 100's of little satellites, shaped to the GOES-17 contour but not covering the solar panels - and have it 'shadow' the satellite and reposition as needed.

    1. Re:Launch a shade? by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Meteorologists and climatologists will obviously consider a continuous imagery of a cloud of gold chaff much better than looking at the boring old earth.

      /rolleyes

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    2. Re:Launch a shade? by Megane · · Score: 1

      So, the Skylab trick? I'm not sure that it would work, because a GEO sat has to spin on its axis relative to the sun once a day to face the Earth at all times. Then again, maybe that's why it has the problem on a daily cycle. When that particular side is facing the sun, it warms up just enough to keep that specific part from working right. Then it turns away (the shadow of the Earth is mostly irrelevant to high-orbit satellites) and gets a chance to cool off. "Temperature" in space (and on the Moon) is mostly "sunlight makes you very hot, dark makes you very cold". So maybe a sunshade over the right part of the sat could do the trick. It could probably even be stuck on with magnets.

      Of course the real problem is that there really is no way to fix it. Orbital mechanics makes it a pain in the ass to get to a specific point in space, and we don't have the kind of robotic gear that would be needed to do repairs remotely once we got it there, even without the quarter second or so comms lag. With cheaper launches, it may become less of an effort to just put a new one up, but GEO adds concerns about keeping space junk under control.

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  19. Ironic by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

    It could save others from overheating, but not itself ..

    (I read too many memes these days.)

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  20. An Inconvenient Truth by maxbuzz · · Score: 1

    The satellite discovered that climate change has nothing to do with human activity and therefore has "malfunctioned".

    There's no money to be made if the climate is cooling.

  21. Re:Even though this problem happened before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everybody knows the proper unit of scale is a banana.

    Ummmm. What's the conversion factor from bananas to libraries of congress?