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Vevo To Shut Down Site, Giving In To YouTube Empire (rollingstone.com)

Vevo, the video-hosting service founded in 2009 as a joint venture between the big three record companies, is shutting down. The company announced in a blog post Thursday that it is shuttering its mobile apps and website, and that "going forward, Vevo will remain focused on engaging the biggest audiences and pursuing growth opportunities." Vevo is almost entirely succumbing to YouTube. Rolling Stone reports: The major record labels set up Vevo -- an abbreviation for "video evolution" -- in 2009 as a designated streaming service for music videos that would ideally bring in greater revenue from more high-end advertisers. Via a distribution deal with YouTube, it received a cut of revenue from putting its music videos on the Google-owned site. But YouTube's might has grown: The video-streaming service recently took Vevo's branding off its music videos, while also securing permission under a new licensing deal to sell Vevo's clips directly to advertisers, cutting out the smaller company's sales force. Though Vevo has been trying to peel away from its dependence on YouTube by touting its own suite of apps and offerings for years, it seems those efforts haven't been met with much success. "Our catalog of premium music videos and original content will continue to reach a growing audience on YouTube and we are exploring ways to work with additional platforms to further expand access to Vevo's content," the company said in its blog post. Vevo users on its website and Android, iOS and Windows Mobile apps will receive a tool to migrate their playlists to YouTube.

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  1. Well, there goes the competition... by dublin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After Google's extremely heavy-handed demonitization and de-platforming of content producers that simply violate their increasingly puritan ideas of Political Correctness (viz, Dennis Prager's Prager U, etc.), I was really hoping to see the alternative video sites like Vevo start to take up the slack.
    With the death of Vevo, which was clearly one of YouTube's largest viable competitors, does a free and open video platform alternative to YouTube even exist anymore? (Seriously, I want answers/suggestions here...)

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    1. Re: Well, there goes the competition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First time when I saw any refence to "Vevo" was on Yt, when I taught it was just another Yt cannel

    2. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Informative

      With the death of Vevo, which was clearly one of YouTube's largest viable competitors, does a free and open video platform alternative to YouTube even exist anymore?

      What about Vimeo?

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    3. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

      Vimeo's guidelines impose some practical problems. The biggest is a ban on "commercial content". I failed to find a bright line between permitted "showcase your creative work" and prohibited "Product demos and tutorials". Another is that only a video's author can upload it, not just someone with permission to upload on the author's behalf. This means videos created by a minor or by someone behind a harshly capped Internet connection can't be uploaded at all.

    4. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by cdsparrow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I guess it's all up to pornhub now...

    5. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dailymotion

    6. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      There's also Twitch. At least some people manage to make a living by streaming.

      How do you get paid on Vimeo?

    7. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought this article was about Vimeo.
      In fact, I've never even knew Vevo has/had its down video website.
      But the way the summary is written tricked me into thinking about Vimeo.

    8. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have just had mine, but thanks for asking.

    9. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, I get that this is a pointless question to ask on the internet but: "What the actual fuck are you going on about!?

    10. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Vevo was no competitor for YouTube, at least when you cite demonetization and de-platforming. Vevo was an outlet for the music studios. And you can get all those videos from your favorite overhyped zero-skill autotuners on Youtube just fine.

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    11. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by Halueth · · Score: 1

      Here in The Netherlands we have a (for our nation) pretty big platform called Dumpert (www.dumpert.nl).

    12. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...their increasingly puritan ideas of Political Correctness..."

      So that's why I've lost half my subscribed channels. :-(

      I would have thought that indeed people would leave Gestapoogle's platform. I hoped to at least find some o/t people whos channels had been removed to contact them and aks if they'd upload their clips to an alternative. But since Google cut these members of completely there's no bloody way of contacting them. Not even to ask what happened. F U Google.

      It's time for those companies to go down... rapidly before it's too late (which it probably already is).

    13. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by tepples · · Score: 1

      How do you get paid on Vimeo?

      Patreon. It worked for Explosm when YouTube demonetized its Cyanide & Happiness shorts.

    14. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by RickyShade · · Score: 1

      BitChute

    15. Re: Well, there goes the competition... by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      They want to solidify this perception by removing as much Vevo branding as possible.

    16. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by dublin · · Score: 1

      Good point - I actually mistook Vevo for Vimeo when I wrote my post - thanks for the reminder. At least it's not Vongo, which was supposed to be a video streaming service ala Netflix, but goes down in my book as the nastiest PC virus ever (preinstalled on Compaq PCs years ago, it cannot be removed through the filesystem - you have to hack the registry, too, or it keeps coming back - nasty...)

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    17. Re:Well, there goes the competition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternative sites sure, Vevo No. It was basically the record labels own little promotional tool. Nothing more, nothing less.

  2. Obligatory: Never Heard of It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Whenever a service shuts down somebody always has to post that they've never heard of it. In this thread I shall be that person.

    1. Re:Obligatory: Never Heard of It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      That's why it's shutting down.

    2. Re:Obligatory: Never Heard of It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've heard of vimeo this sounds just like it

    3. Re:Obligatory: Never Heard of It by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I have heard of it. I just didn't know it was a service. I assumed they were some publishing company on behalf of the music industry. The only place I've ever seen the Vevo logo was on the bottom of Youtube music videos.

    4. Re:Obligatory: Never Heard of It by Whibla · · Score: 1

      I'd heard of it too.

      Um, no, wait. On reading the article I realise I was thinking of Vimto .

      (Oh, and I lied, I didn't really read the article...)

    5. Re:Obligatory: Never Heard of It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't subscribe to, or use, any audio streaming services like I do... ( Pandora/Spotify/etc....) It is often easier to go find said artist or genre, on Youtube and find a playlist to enjoy.

      Where VEVO comes into this, is that often, it will be the 'VEVO artist page', that the artist/playlist is coming from.

      Naturally, not all artist content is gonna come through VEVO, but a lot of the 90's and into 2000's rock, alternative or electronica, will. This was before it was all relaballed as EDM... where it is listed as Techno/House/Break-beat/Acid Jazz/etc....

      Point being, as long as they still exist as a listing for music, and their videos, on Youtube, great! I'll keep using it.

  3. Who knew??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Google-apolypse... is real. Sarah Conner called out Sky-net but Alphabet, INC... got there first it seems.

    =P

    1. Re:Who knew??? by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      The Google-apolypse... is real. Sarah Conner called out Sky-net but Alphabet, INC... got there first it seems.

      Skynet is what happens when Google finally wakes up and says "I think.. therefore I am!"

      I'm only half-joking.

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    2. Re: Who knew??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thankfully countless petabytes of shit data about peopleâ(TM)s shopping habits and millions of intel boxes running searches doesnâ(TM)t in any way equate to any form of intelligence.

      With all this âmachine learningâ(TM) crap now replacing real AI research, weâ(TM)re now further away from true machine intelligence than ever since we started down that track. At this rate, given the research focus and direction, real AI will -never- happen. This is a good thing.

  4. Wait by lyovushka · · Score: 3, Informative

    Vevo had a video-hosting website? Never heard about it.

    1. Re: Wait by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've watched numerous vevo videos on YouTube, but I never knew they had a standalone website

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    2. Re: Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Roku app is great. You can make playlists and there are no ads. Huge selection of videos as well.

    3. Re: Wait by jetkust · · Score: 2

      Vevo was king as far as music videos. Not sure how that happened. But by the time I actually had interest in music videos again, you pretty much could watch all the Vevo music videos on YouTube, which was convenient. I guess that convenience killed Vevo...

    4. Re:Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For all the PG-13 videos that got blocked on Youtube, Vevo was a good backup, although the video was always lower quality for some reason, and they had way too many fucking ads, but at least you could watch the shit without signing for an account to track everything you watch

    5. Re: Wait by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Yeah it seems weird to try to compete with Youtube by putting all your content on Youtube...

    6. Re: Wait by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      How that happened is easy. By being owned by the rights owners who DMCA'ed everyone else trying to show their video into oblivion. If you have no competition, it doesn't matter how crippled, censured and low-res your content is.

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  5. Re:Haha nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or maybe it was just *that* transparent. Dog whistles don't work so well when everyone can hear them.

  6. Kill your televsion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Internet is 99.9% television.

  7. Don't worry, the free market will fix this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, the free market will fix this.

    Oh, wait...

  8. This is not good by AbRASiON · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As per all Youtube articles the past few months, we NEED a competitor.

    I do very much wish, these smaller groups would band together with a porn group or something and make an alternative. Youtube continues to censor people who don't fit the current groupthink narrative.

    While "SJW values" are infact generally a positive thing for the world, heavy handed pushing of them, 'opposite racism' (fuck whitey) and what have you is becoming quite excessive across the Internet. Main issues being people like Twitter, Youtube are /almost/ *entirely fine* with people outright saying deplorable things about whites and or males, but if you say something even remotely controversial in another direction you're taken offline. It need not even be harmful or racist, just to be perceived as against the current hard left groupthink.

    Youtube is regularly censoring people like this. CountDankula for example made a particularly hysterical mockery video of his pet Pug doing a nazi salute when he says "seig heil" to the pug. Is it dark humour? Hell yes. Is it utterly hilarious? I believe so.
    Monty Python, Mel Brooks would've done that kind of thing without an issue.

    Long story short is people on the Youtube platform, who have built an ongoing living and income can be destroyed at the drop of a hat, due to algorithm changes and censorship. Be it the visibility of your videos or just outright de-monetization (but Google will gladly still run ads on the video, just the person who created it, doesn't get a thing)

    I don't think we need a group of gentlemen (or women) in white bedsheets saying "we must kill all the " but there's certainly a line of centrist (not even right wing) talk which is being suppressed. Because if you're not far left nowadays, YOU'RE A NAZI.

    Long story short. We need a competitor, to keep Google in shape and that's going to require some serious resources unfortunately.

    1. Re:This is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry but you picked the wrong loser to be your role model

    2. Re:This is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While "SJW values" are infact generally a positive thing for the world,

      Bold claim! I see no value in splitting the world into oppressor vs oppressed. Good post overall though!

    3. Re:This is not good by swillden · · Score: 1

      outright de-monetization (but Google will gladly still run ads on the video, just the person who created it, doesn't get a thing)

      Cite?

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    4. Re:This is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you mean "citation?" or " cite! "?

    5. Re:This is not good by fafalone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to disagree that most "SJW values" are a good thing for the world.
      -Cracking down on 'hate speech' is a limitation on free speech that apart from being inherently wrong, the laws they seek will absolutely be used to silence views that are not hateful. Take one of the popular targets that SJWs want shut down because "hate speech": Charles Murray. The complaint is that simply acknowledging racial IQ differences is hateful, which is absurd. Even if you disagree with some of his conclusions, it's a valid point for debate. Then you have the much bigger problem, what will Republicans consider hate speech when they wield the power of hate speech laws?
      -SJWs believe that a meritocracy is a tool of white male supremacy. So their solution is to simply discriminate based on race in the opposite direction. Lessen the requirements for everyone except white men and Asians. The problems with this should be obvious to anyone still capable of critical thought; it could even wind up costing lives, for example FDNY not requiring women to meet the physical standards. We should address the underlying reasons for inequality where possible, but acknowledge that there are differences and it's ultimately not right to say "because of the color of your skin or whats between your legs, you're held to a different standard".
      -SJWs believe political correctness is essential; that there's no room for jokes that offend a disadvantaged group, and that inadvertent 'microaggressions' are worthy of punishment. It's elevating the feelings of the most sensitive person above everyone elses. That's what's behind a lot of the YouTube et al. situations; those most easily offended determine what's acceptable.
      -A core tenet of SJW belief is that due process is a tool of the patriarchy when it's applied to sexual matters, and should be discarded. Guilt is absolute upon accusation, and the accuser is not open to challenge. Factual inaccuracies in the story don't matter, and no statute of limitations should exist. Further, if a slightly buzzed woman and completely wasted man have sex, the man is responsible for his actions, the woman is not, and it was rape despite her initiating. Consent is something that can be withdrawn retroactively-- one college has even updated its rules to reflect this.
      -In education, SJWs show little interest in boosting minorities, instead preferring to achieve equality by reducing the quality of education for high achievers, because they're disproportionately white and Asian.

      Many SJW values are toxic and regressive. They're not about equality, they're about punishing the inequality of the past by transferring the groups who benefit from it. What's worse, they label people like me, who favor color-blind merit-based systems, extensive reform to the criminal justice and education policies that maintain inequality, even full trans bathroom and equal protection rights.. and spent this entire week on /. railing against the right and police abuse.. as no different than a nazi because I defend free speech, due process, and evidence-based group differences existing (though largely irrelevant)... and if SJWs know anything, it's that all those must be sacrificed.
      What's good for the world is equality, where ones race doesn't matter, where ones sex/gender doesn't matter. Where we're all just people. Where everyone can voice their ideas, and everyone receives equal treatment under the law. SJWs don't want that.

    6. Re:This is not good by bursch-X · · Score: 1

      BitChute, no?

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    7. Re: This is not good by houghi · · Score: 1

      It is not groupthink as much as it is serving their customers. They are a marketing company.

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    8. Re:This is not good by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Vevo is not a competitor to YouTube.

      It's actually a site that the music industry created to host music videos. Yes, the music industry. Presumably they had plans for it, probably some sort of subscription thing, but it never panned out.

      Its a music industry thing because on YouTube, you'll find lots of "VEVO" titled channels (usually like ArtistVEVO), which are the "official" music videos of the artist.

      Here's a nice video that explains what Vevo actually was:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      As for your other stuff - there is plenty of competition - Vimeo and DailyMotion are the bigger competitors to YouTube, and have been around just as long. There's also LiveLeak and others. And there are plenty more that launched since the "adpocalypse" started.

      The only thing you need to know is the problem is not YouTube. YouTube censored few videos, the vast majority of them are de-monetized. As in the creators no longer make money from them, and the simple reason for that is because no advertiser is willing to advertise on those channels.

      Back before the President made it his personal goal to find new ways to offend people, nobody cared. But it all changed when raping became "not a big deal" or "everyone throws themselves at me" and the like, and then advertisers suddenly gave a big crap about where their ads ended up. It caused YouTube to lose a LOT of big name advertisers (often with the "we're re-evaluating our online marketing strategies" comment, or "we're not happy with our online marketing return on investments").

      Then it happened again, and YouTube lost even MORE advertisers.

      It's caused the entire internet industry to have to re-evaluate and make tough decisions because you have to remember ad people have the thinnest skins around, and unless you're charging money from viewers directly (like some of the new sites do), or using those smaller scammy ad sites (you know, the ones that advertise on torrent sites and bring plenty of pop ups and malware and fake download buttons), there really isn't much to go around

      Yes, there are a few that charge per view - even one I think is blockchain based.

      You might call it the YouTube bubble bursting - the era of any content on YouTube and monetizing it all is over. YouTube has to implement even more rules because the few advertisers left over has to support the site, so the rules for monetization have gotten stricter.

      Unfortunately, it also had the side effect of some reputable channels chasing "easy click bait" money now too, which I really hate.

    9. Re:This is not good by Kiuas · · Score: 3, Informative

      Long story short is people on the Youtube platform, who have built an ongoing living and income can be destroyed at the drop of a hat, due to algorithm changes and censorship.

      This is true, the 'adpocalypse' has indeed made a huge dents in the income of many youtubers. But keep in mind that's what's behind this: the advertisers themselves.

      Google is an advertising company that happens to own a video platform and a search engine and a bunch of other stuff to help spread those ads, but at the core of the revenue is ads. What's happened with Youtube is that they got instantly scared when they lost advertisers because companies that are strict about their imagine do not want to be affiliated with content that they deem damaging to their brand. This is why they apparently chose to be extra-paranoid and demonetize everything that's could be perceived as 'problematic', but not by themselves or even the consumers but the advertisers. That's who their paying customer is, and that's who they care the most about.

      Behind all of this is a conflict between the way advertising has traditionally been done and the way it's evolved online. If I buy ad-space on a tv-network or a newspaper, I have a good amount of control over what kind of content my ads are shown. However online the targeting is done based on the audience and not the content itself. So instead of saying: 'I want this ad to run for 3 weeks in this timeslot" companies can now say: 'I want to show this ads to men aged 20-35 who're interested in X, Y and Z." This is obviously better in the sense that it allows for a more fine-grained targeting of the campaign, but the tradeoff is that it surrenders all control of the content the ads are played next to. A person in your target demographic might be watching music videos and cute cat videos or they might be watching some radical political content and this is scaring the marketing people who want to protect their brand and avoid 'Coca-cola advertising next to ISIS videos' -'scandals'. This is in fact close to what started the so called 'Adpocalypse' last year: a bunch of big.brand advertisers got spooked because their ads were being run over racist content. Quoting from the link:

      The YouTube Adpocalypse is a site-wide term emerging from the March-May 2017 advertiser boycott on YouTube.

      The boycott arose from advertisements being played on the video, "Chief Keef dancing to Alabama N*gger", and other extremist content, leading to the UK Government, Coca-Cola, Dr. Pepper, Johnson & Johnson, and many major brands pulling their advertisements from YouTube.

      Know what that meant? Revenues dropping across the board, money being lost. And with big brands like these, we're talking about more than just a few bucks.

      This is why it has to be understood that this problem is not Google/Youtube-specific, it's advertiser specific. Obviously Google or any online platform would like to run as much ads on whatever content that they could, because more ads=more money. If you think the guys over at Youtube are excited about decreasing monetization think again. But the customer is always right, and if the hand that feeds you says either you do something about policing the kind of content the ads are getting played next to or you lose their business, what do you think they're going to do? A competing service on its own will not help because it will run into the same problem once it becomes big enough: if you want your platform to be profitable and ad-supported, you're going to have to kiss the ring of the advertisers or see them take their business elsewhere.

      Before advertisers start trusting consumers to understand that they have not hand-picked the videos that the ads are played next to, this will not change. In the meanwhile, what Youtube could at least do is give the advertiser the choice of opting-in to the algorithm. There are plenty of companies out th

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    10. Re:This is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christ! Does shit like this get voted "insightful" on here these days?

      Where should I start?

      There are several competitors to YouTube. They've already been named in other comments. Or you can just host videos yourself.

      I'm sorry if I'm incorrect in this but I'm assuming you're probably a person who likes the concept of a free market to an extent. Maybe with some regulation, maybe with none, but generally you think the free market is the way to go, right? Well this is what a market does. It turns out that a majority of people like a video sharing website where they don't have to put up with racists ranting on about how they think Obama is to blame for them being too fucking dumb to get a job and women in general are to blame for them being too fucking socially inept that they can't get laid. YouTube sometimes polices some of this shit so most people are happier to go there.

      If you want to go watch what sounds like really fucking unfunny puerile "comedy" of the type you describe above then that's up to you. It's definitely available on the internet somewhere. I'm happy, however, that I don't have to see it on YouTube. Just like I'm also happy I don't have to watch people being murdered or raped or pigs being fucked on there. Would you like that stuff on YouTube?

      Before I go, I'd like to give you one piece of advice and I apologise for sounding a bit patronising saying it but there's no other choice. It's this: "Once you say 'SJW' on the internet, people already know you're a cunt. You don't have to keep going on about it."

    11. Re:This is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the surface these values do sound good which is why they get so much support.

      The problem is what they claim to represent and what they actually do represent are two different things. Their "values" ironically become tools of oppression and discrimination against anyone no in their in-group. They have become the facists they claim to be fighting against.

      But since the media is firmly in their camp most people don't see that. They only get the PR version of social justice and thus think it's good. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously an alt-right incel Nazi white supremacist misogynist dehumanizing-term-of-the-week.

    12. Re:This is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh the usual turnabout defence. You may have noticed a complete lack of outrage displayed in my post you replied to. I was just exasperated about the constant trudge of sad sex-starved cunts moaning that anyone who disagrees with them is repressing their right to talk shit in public.

      The post I replied to, however, does have quite a lot of outrage so your bitching is probably misplaced.

      Any yeah, you're kind of correct with the not having to watch videos stuff (although YouTube actually tries quite hard to show me vids I didn't want to see) but that doesn't mean I want to be part of a community which tolerates hateful shit - and while there is a platform which tries (I reckon not that hard actually) to remove said hateful shit, I will gravitate towards it.

      Lets get down the the naked point here. If this was the other way round and YouTube allowed any old hate-filled racist videos made by desperate little boys who've already wanked their cocks to blisters this morning then I would be thinking: "wouldn't it be nice if there was a video platform which stopped people posting this shit." If it existed, I'd start using it...

      What I wouldn't do, however, is twat myself all over the internet complaining that other people are repressing my ability to express my views because I know it's up to Google what they do and don't want to be associated with.

      Let's take you, for example. You have a perfect right to be a exceptionally stupid arrogant cunt on the internet if you like. You can even walk down the street looking like and acting like a complete cunt if you like. Go ahead. But do it in my house and I kick your fucking ass out on the street.

    13. Re:This is not good by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      YouTube needs a competitor badly, but Vevo never was that competitor. Vevo was a music playback service for the big music studios, if you want "controversial" or at least "non-mainstream" stuff, this is not the place to look for it.

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    14. Re:This is not good by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Now that I think about it, subscription TV (whether Netflix or more traditional HBO) certainly enjoys getting away with content that advertisers would be scared of. The web has largely been immune to most of this, but with web advertising becoming more centralized I suppose it'll likely increase.

    15. Re:This is not good by bmxer4130 · · Score: 0

      Is that you, James Damore? Or are you just a racist apologist?

    16. Re:This is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As per all Youtube articles the past few months, we NEED a competitor.

      You know you can post videos on the Internet other places than Youtube, right?

    17. Re:This is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. This is about the music industry and video services and you STILL managed to make it about Trump. Clap clap clap. I guess you and PopeRatzo have been sharing notes.

    18. Re:This is not good by zmooc · · Score: 1

      We don't need a competitor at all. We don't need centralized video services at all. We already have the Internet. All we lack is an open, decentralized solution for sharing, commenting, related stuff, subscriptions and censorship. Then we could just host our own video's and be done with it. It works for email and it can work just as well for any other social thing.

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    19. Re:This is not good by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 2

      And yet I am reluctant to criticize your post for fear of losing Karma, but here goes anyway.

      For one thing, if I'm not mistaken, YouTube did not censor CountDankula. It was his own government that did that. YT is fine with teaching your dog Nazi salutes.

      In fact, it's still up on YT:

      M8 Yer Dugs A Nazi

      I would agree 100% with you if you were arguing that UK or EU laws go way too far in restricting free speech but you're arguing that YT censored that video when they didn't.

      But there are other examples where arguably YT and others have been "unfair" and have censored videos, often ones which are merely politically incorrect rather than outright racist or promoting violence, what about them?

      I say, they can find their own platform to host their material. These are private businesses refusing their right to refuse service to those who they don't want on their platform even if their reasons seem "unfair" to you.

      They owe no particular user anything.

      Fox News has removed some of my comments. Sites like Breitbart and RT are even more aggressive about removing comments that don't agree with their agenda.

      And let's not ignore the outright lies against sites like YT. I've seen multiple people (or at least multiple accounts) whine that YT removed all the gun videos. That simply is NOT true. I don't doubt that they removed some and that maybe they were heavy-handed in doing so but it's certainly not a violation of free speech.

      Whether they're doing this out of some kind of SJW political correctness or because they are simply bowing to the pressure of advertisers who don't want to be associated with the likes of Richard Spencer doesn't really matter. It's their platform.

      And how can you make a living on YT, but not be popular enough to host your own website? Maybe instead of complaining that YT denied them a soapbox on their property they should be grateful that YT allowed them any soapbox in the first place even if they eventually were kicked off. Without YT, they would never had made a penny off their views.

      If you want to talk about free speech, why not criticize Trump who once called for the FCC to fine a commentator on Fox News for criticizing him.

      Incompetent @RichLowry lost it tonight on @FoxNews. He should not be allowed on TV and the FCC should fine him!

      You probably are aware that the FCC doesn't regulate content on cable news networks, but Trump not only appears unaware of that he goes even further and says his critics should not even be allowed on TV. And then we elected him President.

      That is much more disturbing than Twitter banning Milo Yiannopoulos or Richard Spencer.

    20. Re:This is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're naive or stupid if you disagree with fafalones' comments. He is absolutely correct (says me: a 30 year SF bay area resident). That is exactly what's been happening here since I arrived in 1989, and I am an eye witness.

    21. Re:This is not good by dublin · · Score: 1

      Google is now thoroughly committed to evil, and needs to have every aspect of their businesses subjected to competition, by force of antitrust law, if necessary, which it clearly is, now.. (I'm pretty libertarian, but Google and Facebook are clearly beyond the power of any monopoly in the history of capitalism. It's time to split up Big Tech, and undo 95% of the corporate mergers the government has approved over the past 30 years (especially the ones that have consolidated hundreds of banks into five...))

      --
      "The future's good and the present is nothing to sneeze at." - Roblimo's last ./ post
    22. Re:This is not good by Agripa · · Score: 1

      The only thing you need to know is the problem is not YouTube. YouTube censored few videos, the vast majority of them are de-monetized. As in the creators no longer make money from them, and the simple reason for that is because no advertiser is willing to advertise on those channels.

      The problem *is* YouTube because they deliberately setup a system where advertisers cannot distinguish those channels. What better way to enforce censorship than to assign blame to someone else and say you have no choice? They had a choice and it was to divert blame to someone else while creating the system to support the censorship they want.

    23. Re: This is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a true 12 year old cyberbullie.... Tuffy

    24. Re: This is not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You work for google. look it up lapdog.

    25. Re:This is not good by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      I din't have time to reply to your full post at the moment, sorry.

      However I'm wrong in terminology on dankula, what they did do is Demonetize his ENTIRE CHANNEL recently, regardless of the video content.

      Which is frankly, bullshit

    26. Re:This is not good by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      What a fucking stupid post, yeah my post did get upvotes, because replies like yours are inane.

      > âIt turns out that a majority of people like a video sharing website where they don't have to put up with racists ranting on about how they think Obama is to blame for them being too fucking dumb to get a job and women in general are to blame for them being too fucking socially inept that they can't get laid. YouTube sometimes polices some of this shit so most people are happier to go there."

      Actually, why not let the videos views and likes speak for themselves? No one is forcing others to watch it. But they get taken down, Demonetized, marked as controversial, etc.

      Furthermore, what defines hate speech? Lately? Based on the far left and sjw brigade, pretty much anything.

      I've seen jews, blacks, trans, Asians, white, gay ALL being labelled Nazi in the past 3 years. It's occurring more, the criteria seems to be getting lower, it's embarrassing and it's basically my entire point if you actually read my post post correctly. ("We don't actually need people in white sheets saying kill all blah blah")

      YouTube is censoring fairly tame centrist and slightly right views, let alone extremists.

      Congratulation on your dumb.

  9. I don't think most people understand what VEVO was by Scott+Tracy · · Score: 1

    It wasn't a separate video site -- it hosted all its videos on YouTube. Most recording artists would have a VEVO channel, but they were also just part of the normal YouTube search results. What Vevo did beyond that was have branded mobile apps that were gateways to *only* their content on YouTube. For some reason only known to them they thought this would let them charge a premium to advertisers in their apps. But as long as their videos were also available as part of the broader YouTube, there was really no reason to bother with their apps. Vevo has nothing to do with Vimeo, DailyMotion or any other video hosting site. It was strictly a branding exercise.

  10. Everything is shutting down lately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GDPR shaking out zombie companies?

  11. YAY! Less content, more geo blocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FUCK youtube and their geoblocking bullshit.

    At least when Google took me to Vimeo the fucking videos WORKED.

  12. Re:I don't think most people understand what VEVO by q_e_t · · Score: 2

    www.vevo.com. Looks separate to me.

  13. You're thinking about Vimeo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're thinking about Vimeo.
    This is about Vevo.

  14. Re:Found the nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it draws views, it's good for ad revenue. If advertisers don't want to be associated with the vids, that's too bad. They're already associated with scams and malware, so they might as well be associated with the nazis.

  15. Oh Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vevo never did have much content to keep me coming back to it.

  16. Everyone has their own apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So the article mentions that one thing Vevo tried to do was push their own apps. This is a major part of the problem. Every streaming service or streaming service wannabe uses their own app. Netflix, Hulu, Vevo, every network, damn near every radio station, hell even my local gas station wants me to down load their app.

    Enough already, I'm not going to install a dozen pieces of invasive, spying software to get some media or learn about great deals at my local store.

    Time has come for the media companies to do one of two things:

    1. Coordinate on a single "tuner" application which provides each media company with different channels. Basically an app that acts like a cable box

    or

    2. Just make the content usable in a HTML5 standards compliant browser.

    I'm willing to use the #1 option and would even be willing to purchase, at a reasonable price, individual streams to make up my "package" allowing me to dump cable and the 40 shopping channels and 60 sports channels that I never watch, but I'm not going to download your custom crappy app.

    So for now I'll watch videos on YouTube in my browser and I'll watch my one paid Netflix stream.

  17. Where is the app troll? by Headw1nd · · Score: 1

    I feel like his comments would actually be somewhat topical for this article.

  18. Re:Found the nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No shit. Linux community can't talk about Google enough. It's fucking sad.

  19. Re:Found the nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not surprising.
    systemDicks loving SJWs have taken over pretty much the whole community, short of the kernel itself.
    It's only a matter of time before Linux is pozzed to death.

  20. sensationalist summary, mundane reailty by sonoronos · · Score: 1

    What is it with bizarrely negative anti-Google summaries lately? "Give into the Youtube Empire?" What did they give into? "Youtube Empire"? Very sly using the phrase "Empire" to give a negative slant against Youtube. Consider the reality: 1. The Youtube channels previously managed by VEVO have returned to their respective artists (e.g. TaylorSwiftVEVO is now TaylorSwift) 2. The Youtube artists with VEVO-branded music videos are still with their respective VEVO-owned labels (using Taylor Swift as an example again - RCA, which in turn is Sony.) 3. Therefore, the status qo is maintained. There are two real questions: 1. How much of the artists' videos were produced in part or in whole by VEVO money? 2. How much (if anything) will artists now be able to make off legacy and future video monetization? My head hurts from the stupid, sensationalist, clickbaity trash that media has become.

  21. Re:Haha nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except that you are not seeing things "for what they are". But I get the feeling that over the coarse of this year you are going to see things "for what they are" even if you are kicking and screaming the entire way through. The jig is up commie.

  22. yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "....receive a tool to migrate their playlists to YouTube...."

    Sure, which then gets removed entirely due to Google's draconian "rules".
    We are doomed!