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Clear Linux Beats MacOS in MacBook Pro Benchmark Tests (phoronix.com)
To celebrate its 14th birthday, Phoronix.com used a 15-inch MacBook Pro to run system benchmarking tests on the following operating systems:
- Windows 10 Pro
- The latest macOS 10.13 High Sierra
- Windows 10 Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) using Ubuntu 18.04
- Ubuntu 18.04 LTS with the Linux 4.15 kernel, GCC 7.3.0, and an EXT4 file-system.
- Clear Linux 22780 with the Linux 4.16 kernel, GCC 8.1.1, and EXT4.
- Fedora Workstation 28 with updates is the Linux 4.16 kernel, GCC 8.1.1, and EXT4.
- OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with the Linux 4.16 kernel, GCC 7.3.1, and default file-system configuration of Btrfs root file-system with XFS home partition.
The results? When it came to outright wins and losses, Clear Linux 22780 was the front-runner 59% of the time followed by macOS 10.13.4 finishing first 21% of the time and then Fedora Workstation 28 with winning 10% of the time.
For losses, to little surprise considering the I/O overhead, Windows 10 was in last place 38% of the time followed by Ubuntu 18.04 being surprisingly the slowest Linux distribution 30% of the time on this 2016 MacBook Pro.
The article also reminds readers that "For those looking for a Linux laptop, there are plenty of better options..."
- Windows 10 Pro
- The latest macOS 10.13 High Sierra
- Windows 10 Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) using Ubuntu 18.04
- Ubuntu 18.04 LTS with the Linux 4.15 kernel, GCC 7.3.0, and an EXT4 file-system.
- Clear Linux 22780 with the Linux 4.16 kernel, GCC 8.1.1, and EXT4.
- Fedora Workstation 28 with updates is the Linux 4.16 kernel, GCC 8.1.1, and EXT4.
- OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with the Linux 4.16 kernel, GCC 7.3.1, and default file-system configuration of Btrfs root file-system with XFS home partition.
The results? When it came to outright wins and losses, Clear Linux 22780 was the front-runner 59% of the time followed by macOS 10.13.4 finishing first 21% of the time and then Fedora Workstation 28 with winning 10% of the time.
For losses, to little surprise considering the I/O overhead, Windows 10 was in last place 38% of the time followed by Ubuntu 18.04 being surprisingly the slowest Linux distribution 30% of the time on this 2016 MacBook Pro.
The article also reminds readers that "For those looking for a Linux laptop, there are plenty of better options..."
Where is the benchmark for battery life? One of the strengths of the MacBook Pro and macOS is the power management and long batter life. I would be surprised if Linux was as good.
So a super-lightweight quasi real-time IoT Linux OS beats macOS on it's native hardware 60% of the time? Give me an effing break, will ya?
I'm no Apple fanboy and there's plenty of stuff going on with Apple right now to piss on, but performance and integration of their high-end all-out desktop OS into their purpose built hardware is still next to none, by a far margin.
Trying hard to find something that 'beats' them at that game makes you look like an idiot.
So let's not be silly.
Please.
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That does not sound like a very fun birthday party...
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except a bunch of Linux aficionados.
Finally, it's here!
Windows Defender is tuned for Windows kernel integration and performs well there. Although to be honest, recent builds of defender have been a hog as I'm assuming it's being a bit more aggressive at sandboxing for CPU prediction bugs.
That said, Windows defender doesn't seem to understand the WSL stuff at all, however it's using the entire system resources to real-time monitor disk reads and writes.
When running without Windows Defender real-time monitoring enabled, it seems to increase performance of the VM to near bare-metal speeds.
As i understand it, clear linux is a distribution optimized for modern hardware, with all packages compiled with newer compilers and a lot of legacy cruft disabled etc...
So it would be interesting to see how it compares to gentoo, which is also usually configured in that way.
It's also interesting how badly ubuntu fares in many of these benchmarks, despite being only a small step behind clear linux in terms of kernel/gcc versions in use.
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Usability is number one with a bullet for 98% of us.
Reality is a slackware box running on a 386 tucked away in god's sock drawer.
You're overstating a bit. ClearOS is based on CentOs, and installed on large servers by HP. Not exactly IOT.
When a new mac is spawn out of cupertino and unto the world, the linux crowd has not had enough time to adapt drivers and stuff to the system. Therefore the benchmarks always go the way of MacOS. Two years down the road, one needs to use a barebones IoT linux distro to get better performance than MacOS itself, because propper linux desktop distros do not cut mustard.
Do not get me wrong, I like linux a lot, I was a linux evangelist in the early 2000's, my beef is not with linux, is with the moron who wrote the article, and with editordave for summiting it.
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before this article i have never heard of clear linux before.
the question is, can it be used as a regular distribution? from its webpage i didn't get the impression it could be used as a regular desktop distro
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to pick dingleberries out of my ass?
I know there are desktop Linux fans who are completely engaged in Linux. But that's always been a very small market and none of this matters to Mac owners. People who use Mac's choose Mac's not to run Linux but to either run Mac OS or duel boot Windows. Because they need to use a OS that runs software they need. Really nothing wrong with Desktop Linux as a OS, but obviously the OS is not the reason most do not use Linux. Its because they need to run other software that won't run on Linux.
People choose an operating system to have certain experience and run apps that they find useful - not to run a for loop quickly. I doubt that Linux is a winner in either of these departments, or even in benchmarks of real world apps that would be able to use optimized frameworks for specific tasks. I do like Elementary OS UI over OSX/Win, but Gimp is no Pixelimator. So good for web browsing (since Chrome is the same) but not real work. Accidentally, Linux Chrome stutters on 4K video while ChromeOS plays it seemlessly on the same CPU.
that even when apple controls the hardware and the software. They suck at both.
And the defective keyboard!!!
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Sorry but no platform should get to play on its home field during benchmark testing. And if macOS cannot run on any hardware other than its own then it should be precluded from any neutral platform benchmarking. Why would anyone expect OSX not to run well on Apple hardware optimized for their own OS?
How many wake/sleep cycles before the computer freezes/crashes?
Yes, battery drain is a dimension worth considering, but the main reason this story is absurd is because it ignores the overheads such as installing and updating the OSes. Your computer might save a little time on computations, but how much of your MUCH more valuable human time was consumed along the way? How much of your time was saved if Apple tested the OS more carefully? Looming over all of this in the real world is the recovery question. How much time could you lose trying to recover when something goes wrong? And you know that something is always going to go wrong.
I am NOT an Apple fanboi. Most of my machines run Windows, though I have 2-1/3 Linux boxen and one Macbook Pro. I actually regard Apple as a dangerous corporate cancer (but I'll drop that tangent for now). However I have to report my latest experience with Apple was MUCH improved. They fixed the hardware much more quickly than I expected, without charge (and even gave me a bit of grace on the warranty period), and without damaging my software configuration. I spent much more time restoring my Android smartphone the last time one of them had to go to the shop. (Actually ASUS has that phone now, and I have NO intention of paying those bastards for any more repairs. (However it's really my own fault because I had dealt with ASUS once before and this is a case of shame on me.) I hope ASUS enjoys eating the phone.)
The real point of this story is "Penny wise, pound foolish." Didn't find anything along those lines, but at this point I'm not at all surprised to be disappointed with Slashdot. Maybe just a failure of the moderation to make visible some better comments that I couldn't find? Increasingly convinced that the moderation system has become the biggest problem killing Slashdot.
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If you read their page, which you so helpfully linked to, you'll see phrases like "built from sources provided by Redhat".
I clicked on a random post on their blog and it said:
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Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 was released today. Here is the press release.
ClearOS 7 development is already well underway and an alpha release is already running on a handful of systems. Once we start to dig into the RPM/package rebuilding process, we will have a better idea of ClearOS 7 release dates. Please stay tuned
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The primary differences between ClearOS and CentOS are:
Clear removes the desktop UI
Different logos
Ubuntu sucks.
macOS has much more stuff going than any Linux OS every will.
E.g. the whole Continuity+Handover thing, as well as the seamless BT-integration of their accessories.
It's a ridiculous, click-baity comparison to begin with.
That said, Meltdown+Spectre Patches probably tool their toll on this one. Later hardware has less performance impact, AFAIK.
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I've been using Linux, Windows and Mac as well as Hackintosh for a few years now, and one thing I, as well as a few others have noticed is that while Mac runs really well on low spec machines (4gig of ram), it does not seem well suited towards higher spec machines. It runs just fine on higher spec machines but it's not setup to really make the most of it.
Take my systems for example, I had three machines all running El Capitan, a 2014 Macbook Air (I7 and 8gb ram) and two desktops, one a 2600k and another with an 7800k, both with the same SSD (similar in spec to the ssd in the Air) and same amount of ram (16gb). By seat of the pants, all ran identical. Now, while you can argue seat of the pants is not a good way to judge, an interesting thing happened when you installed Windows or Linux, the 7800k was clearly faster than the other two.
What I suspect is that, like the Mac Pro, Apple has essentially abandoned high end parts and optimizing for them. This would fit since they are planning on ditching Intel in the near future and had all but abandoned the Mac Pro before the protests got too loud, it's not their core business anymore. What is a bummer for Mac Pro people is the new one, when/if it arrives, is not actually going to be a significant speed boost over what they already have, it will have more memory and multi-task better, but raw speed is not going to be a lot better than what they have now, which is going to really frustrate a lot of people after they spend 8K on one.
I'm not arguing for or against an OS here, I'm just saying Mac doesn't take to newer, higher end hardware like other operating systems.
Want big picture?
Clear Linux relies on systemd to provide the basic OS components
I bought a 2015 Macbook that had been the display model at an Apple store for a discount a little more than a year ago. It had Intel graphics so no trouble there, but the camera still doesn't work. Overall I like Linux Mint better than Apple's pushy software. They really want you to use Itunes and go to their store... Plus I am a big fan of the Mate desktop have been for years.
Linux is my main OS, but I see no compelling reason to run Linux as the native OS on a MacBook. If you want to run Linux on a laptop, get a laptop with better specs and run Linux on it. If you want a MacBook, just run MacOS.
The primary reason I own a Mac is for Xcode and iOS development. I'm hoping Apple updates the Mac Mini soon. If they do that, I'll get a Mac Mini for iOS development and replace my (aging) MacBook Pro with a Linux laptop. (I run Arch on my desktop/workstation, but I might give Ubuntu a try on a new laptop.)
- audio latency
- editing of several 4k video streams, and exporting to h.265
Try those and see macOS winning hands down.
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Why the hell should the compiler version even matter?
this does not make sense for runtime performance under any operational testing
if you are only running software. It would only matter if you are compiling from source,
but even then you can choose your compiler, and target. It has nothing to do with
operational benchmarking unless you are testing build environments with different
compilers, and multiple targets. ????
Windows and MacOS are for amateurs.
I'm more interested in how OpenSUSE+btrfs managed to fare so much worse than Fedora+ext4 on the same hardware.
A misconfiguration perhaps?
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