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Guy Robs Someone At Gunpoint For Domain Name, Gets 20 Years In Jail (vice.com)

Yesterday, 43-year-old Iowa man Sherman Hopkins Jr. was sentenced to 20 years in prison for attempting to rob a domain name from another man at gunpoint in 2017. As Motherboard reports, "this may be the first time someone has attempted to steal a domain name at gunpoint." From the report: Last June, Hopkins broke into the home of 26 year-old Ethan Deyo in Cedar Rapids, Iowa one afternoon and demanded that Deyo to log on to his computer to transfer the domain name for "doitforstate.com" to another account. According to Deyo's bio on his personal website, he is a web entrepreneur who previously worked for the web hosting service GoDaddy. After seeing Hopkins enter the apartment, Deyo locked himself into his room and Hopkins kicked in the door. Hopkins kicked in the door and "pistol-whipped" Deyo, held a gun to his head and used a stun gun on him during the encounter. While he attempted to wrestle the gun away from Hopkins, Deyo was shot in the leg, but he eventually gained control of the firearm and shot Hopkins multiple times in the chest. It's unclear why Hopkins wanted the domain name or who he was transferring the domain name to.

134 comments

  1. wait, what? by war4peace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "guy robs" ...
    "Deyo was shot in the leg, but he eventually gained control of the firearm and shot Hopkins multiple times in the chest."

    That doesn't count as "robs", but "attempts to rob".

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    1. Re:wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't count as "robs", but "attempts to rob".

      You say tomato, they say something else...

    2. Re: wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is what happen when companies like godaddy rob peoples domains and then make the pay a premium. Think about it, maybe the robber was robbed first.

    3. Re:wait, what? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      anyway, the correct word is steal, not rob. You rob someone, steal something.

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    4. Re:wait, what? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Unless the transfer was already done.

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    5. Re: wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Banks are not people.

    6. Re: wait, what? by binarybum · · Score: 1

      Have you been living under a rock? Corporations are people you caveman.

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    7. Re: wait, what? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
      Corporations are people you caveman.

      No. They may be "persons in law" but they are NOT people.

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    8. Re: wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporation literally means "group of people" though:

      corporation
      noun

      A group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law.

    9. Re: wait, what? by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

      Whatever the case, the web developer guy is a goddamn badass. I ain't gonna lie , someone points a gun at me, I'm complying, to wrestle a gun off an armed home invader and win, that takes balls of cast iron.

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    10. Re: wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.
      Corporation means "Body of ..."
      As in Corpse

  2. Goatse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    worth fighting for

  3. Bad movie script by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Terrible idea...

    1. Re:Bad movie script by FFOMelchior · · Score: 5, Funny

      Plot for Taken 4. Terrorists steal Liam Neeson's domain name.

    2. Re:Bad movie script by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Ehh, I can't say that it sounds particularly interesting to me. The ability to look people up via whois kinda destroys any dramatic tension, ya know?

    3. Re:Bad movie script by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Plot for Taken 4. Terrorists steal Liam Neeson's domain name.

      Bryan Mills (Liam Neeson): "I have a particular set of skills -- and a Security+ certification..."

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    4. Re:Bad movie script by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      ... The ability to look people up via whois kinda destroys any dramatic tension, ya know?

      If you remember from the film The Net the "whois" command can return a picture of a person's drivers license - so there's that. (sigh)

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    5. Re: Bad movie script by enderwiggin7 · · Score: 2

      I don't know who you are but I will find you and I will whois you! â

    6. Re:Bad movie script by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also learned from Enemy of the State that NSA workstations have the capability to take control of a satellite and use it to track a guy running down a street.

    7. Re: Bad movie script by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...I did two semesters at ITT Tech."

    8. Re: Bad movie script by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlikely story. All domain names belong to Chuck Norris.

    9. Re:Bad movie script by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And for that extra evilness, they also overtake Liam Neeson's daughters streaming account. There will be hell to pay for that.

    10. Re:Bad movie script by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Plot for Taken 4. Terrorists steal Liam Neeson's domain name.

      "I am going to find you and DDOS you."

  4. Why did he stop shooting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let the fucker bleed to death.

    1. Re:Why did he stop shooting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did I know that the attacker was a nigger before I even looked him up?

      Black Americans: If you don't want to be treated like uneducated, hostile thugs, then stop acting like uneducated, hostile thugs.

      And before any whiny SJWs chime in to disingenuously and dishonestly claim that I am a racist, I've lived in a number of countries all over the world and have never seen black people behave like this anywhere other than the US. It's not black people who are the problem, it's black Americans.

  5. Movie! by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

    Ocean's Eleven Chest Holes.

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    1. Re: Movie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of guy put several holes in guys chest and he survives? A .22 will do enough damage at close range to kill a guy. Was it pellet gun? A BB-gun?

      Not really the point but it made it made me stop and reread the sentence.

    2. Re: Movie! by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      I knew an old fat guy. His wife emptied the clip of a 25 into his chest. He beat the shit out of her, then drove himself to the emergency room. She went to prison.

      The 25 really is the lamest of all calibers. Like a 22 _short_, but even lamer.

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    3. Re: Movie! by meglon · · Score: 2

      https://www.nytimes.com/2008/0...

      A .22 to the head at close range can also fail to penetrate the skull, and simply cause a minor concussion; it's less about what caliber, and more about the type of round.

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    4. Re: Movie! by Khyber · · Score: 1

      it's less about what caliber, and more about the amount of powder behind the projectile.

      FTFY.

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    5. Re: Movie! by meglon · · Score: 1

      Not really. A ball projectile is going through a target with minimal damage compared to an HP. Amount of powder is a factor sure, but not near as much as the type of bullet... larger calibers tend to have more powder (for the standard loads), but again, bullet type is where it's at. Vid: at about 3:30 they do a sad ballistics test where you can see the same caliber, different bullet types (i have discovered it is harder than hell to find actual good ballistics tests with gel for basic standard rounds).

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      The basics is, round nose punch holes through things (wasting all the energy left after leaving the body), hp's stop in things (releasing all energy)... obviously depending on the caliber. An HP 45-70 is still going to over penetrate a human by 10+ feet, but on the low end, an HP 9mm won't over penetrate, while a round nose will (for standard rounds).

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    6. Re:Movie! by SigmundFloyd · · Score: 1

      Take the domain and run

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    7. Re: Movie! by wwphx · · Score: 2

      I used to do IT for a police department a couple of decades ago, and that included the crime lab. At the time I was quite a gun nut, and I always had fun waiting for people in the crime lab because they had these cases full of pistols and I could "ooh and ahhh" over them. One such pistol was a Raven .25 that has a 4x Tasco telescope sight mounted on it. I asked the guy I was meeting with what the story was.

      He said "That's our sniper model." His exact words.

      The story is that two dudes got in to a fight in a bar, bouncer evicts them. It eventually breaks up in the lot and the two guys walk in opposite directions to their cars. One decides he's still pissed, and when they're about 25 yards apart, he turns, pulls a Raven out of wherever, points it up in an arc and fires it. The bullet arcs over, hits the other guy in the head and kills him.

      Absolute freak, proverbial one in a million, couldn't do it again if you tried, shot. So the crime lab bought a cheap Tasco sight and mounted it on one of their sample Ravens as a joke.

      It was a good job, learned a lot, and got a fantastic collection of stories. Some of which I'll only repeat in very carefully considered company.

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  6. "doitforstate.com" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a shitty hill to die on. I wouldn't pay anything for that domain name if it was available right now.

  7. Why didn't he just send a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    phishing email like everybody else does? Hard to get shot in the chest that way...

    1. Re:Why didn't he just send a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      phishing email like everybody else does? Hard to get shot in the chest that way...

      Not everyone is as dumb as a senior Hillary! campaign advisor.

    2. Re:Why didn't he just send a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, apparently the GOP were just as dumb, but also in bed with the hackers... https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican-emails-fbi-director-says/

  8. 99 problems and a domain name ain't one... by Bozookajoe · · Score: 2

    He could have just added an 's' to the domain and bought it for .99 cents.

    1. Re:99 problems and a domain name ain't one... by magarity · · Score: 2

      He could have just added an 's' to the domain and bought it for .99 cents.

      I don't know if they still do but you used to go to cheap domain registration sites like GoDaddy and 'check domain availability', it would tell you whatever you searched for wasn't available, then within an hour you'd get an email offering to sell it to you for $1,000 or so.

  9. What do you mean no one knows? by Notabadguy · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Do It For State" is a millennial phrase out of Iowa State like, "Do it for the boobies" or "I did it for the nookie" or "Man up and do it."

    As for everyone saying that no one knows why Hopkins did it...

    Obviously he did it for state.

    1. Re:What do you mean no one knows? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Maybe they meant "Jewel Staite", and just didn't know how to spell her name right.

    2. Re:What do you mean no one knows? by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Naw, given the domain, clearly the guy wanted it for Kendy.

      Integral Trees. Think about it.

  10. Public Registration Information. by NoSalt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is why it is a bad idea to have public registration information. It should really only be available with a court order; yet many domain name registrars charge you a fee to keep your information safe.

    1. Re:Public Registration Information. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      This story reminds me why I make sure to pay the fee to protect my privacy before complaining about my privacy...

      But yeah, it would be nice if privacy was included.

    2. Re:Public Registration Information. by demon+driver · · Score: 1

      That (to not publish personal registration information anymore) is what DENIC does since May, and I guess it's really a good thing.

    3. Re:Public Registration Information. by encrypted · · Score: 3, Informative

      This story reminds me why I make sure to pay the fee to protect my privacy before complaining about my privacy...

      But yeah, it would be nice if privacy was included.

      Namecheap JUST announced free privacy on all domains. No more worried about your door getting kicked in and being shot. I didn't realize privacy was useful until now, I mean "doitforsate.com" is a pretty stupid domain name and if you can get shot for that...

    4. Re:Public Registration Information. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'll try to keep that in mind in 10 years when they've been around long enough to be willing to try them.

    5. Re:Public Registration Information. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Namecheap has been around for 10 years actually, so in another 10 years they'll be 20 years old. They've pulled some pretty shady shit mind you, so I wouldn't recommend them.

    6. Re:Public Registration Information. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No! These changes to the whois policy are awful. The internet is a public resource, and internet-site operators, especially the big ones, SHOULD be public about who they are.

      I am generally zealous about guarding my privacy. I don't do social media and I am careful about the things that I do. On the other hand, I have several domains registered, all with my normal contact information exposed.

      Yes, it lines me up for spam from the people who want to sell me site-design and SEO solutions, but I take that as part of the price of admission and also of being transparent.

      What kills me is that it is now much harder to obtain information about companies where my friends or I might be thinking of doing business. I often did whois searches just to find out that kind of thing. It's not a foolproof way to avoid shysters, but it is a big help. For me, a business with anonymized whois information raises a big red flag.

      It bugs me that political contributions are not anonymous. It bugs me that so many businesses and governments want to track my activity. I do things to stay private, especially in not doing Windows.

      On the other hand, I'm perfectly fine that my whois information is posted where everybody can see it. It is my duty.

    7. Re:Public Registration Information. by jon3k · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth namecheap now includes free whois guard. Maybe they just rolled it into the domain fee, but at least it's not a separate charge. They also have pretty cheap domain names, I moved everything there years ago. Beats the hell out of godaddys and network solutions constant ads literally inside the management portal.

    8. Re:Public Registration Information. by novakyu · · Score: 2
    9. Re:Public Registration Information. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like what?

  11. So small caliber weapon? by kimgkimg · · Score: 1

    How do you get shot 4 times in the chest and still make it to get 20 years?

    1. Re: So small caliber weapon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Karma kept him alive

    2. Re:So small caliber weapon? by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      How do you get shot 4 times in the chest and still make it to get 20 years?

      Probably something low-power, like a .25.

      ("Not much stopping power. Even less with a silencer." M to James Bond, when confiscating his beloved Beretta and replacing it with a Walther PPK. Or was it Q? I forget...)

    3. Re:So small caliber weapon? by MoralCharacter · · Score: 5, Funny

      I heard something about this before - he probably shot himself with smaller bullets to build up a resistance to larger ones.

    4. Re:So small caliber weapon? by gweihir · · Score: 2

      It was M. And Bond tried to steal the gun after that.

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    5. Re:So small caliber weapon? by alexo · · Score: 1

      How do you get shot 4 times in the chest and still make it to get 20 years?

      Posthumously?

    6. Re:So small caliber weapon? by meglon · · Score: 1
      .... by not being in a Hollywood movie.

      http://www.cracked.com/article...

      In real life, unless you're one of those dudes getting shot in the head or perfectly in the heart, you're probably going to make it if you can get medical attention. According to one doctor who has a little experience with these things, as long as your heart is still beating once they wheel you into the hospital, there is a 95 percent chance of survival.

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    7. Re:So small caliber weapon? by mikael · · Score: 2

      Holistic body armour. There's a steampunk game which had the observation that of all the people who survived fighting in the trenches, 30% had a bible in their top left pocket, another 40% had a hip flask and the other 30% had a metal neck brace. Therefore, wearing all three simultaneously would provide 100% protection.

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    8. Re:So small caliber weapon? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Lazer tag.

    9. Re:So small caliber weapon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  12. Re: Not as long as Trump's going to get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we grow up and stop derailing threads now?

  13. ICANN should stop requiring physical address by Utopia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is precisely why ICANN should stop requiring postal and/or phone number in the WHOIS records.

    1. Re:ICANN should stop requiring physical address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the recent European privacy bills most, if not all, registrars now offer free masking of WHOIS info. Which should have always been the case but whatever.

    2. Re: ICANN should stop requiring physical address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He should sue icann for disclosing his address to the attacker

    3. Re:ICANN should stop requiring physical address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, all my data has been automatically hidden from the domains I own when the GDPR came into effect.

      Of course that also makes it easier for shady companies. Without whois I wouldn't have been able to get the real address of a company that tried to keep me from terminating a contract.

    4. Re:ICANN should stop requiring physical address by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative

      I just use a PO box. It's not just your domain registration that makes an address public. It's a registration of businesses or charities, many things you do with the government. For a while Garmin GPS systems had business registrations programmed into the address database, and you could just type "Perens" in, and it would lead you to the address of my LLC, which was my home at the time. Now my business no longer has my name, and uses a PO box. Anyone who tried could find me anyway.

    5. Re:ICANN should stop requiring physical address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > This is precisely why ICANN should stop requiring postal and/or phone number in the WHOIS records.

        ICANN was formed by commie academic nerds with no connect to reality, imagining an open world where you welcome crooks into your open house and reform their minds or something.

    6. Re:ICANN should stop requiring physical address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without whois I wouldn't have been able to get the real address of a company that tried to keep me from terminating a contract.

      What you need is a justice system that doesn't let rich people outspend poor people.
      If you want to terminate a contract and they are pulling some shady shit, you don't need to know their address. They need to have their business license revoked and for that it needs the government and law enforcements involvement.
      They can get the real address to the company and take it from there. Your involvement apart from being a witness to their business practices shouldn't be necessary.
      When it all is over it is still not necessary for you to know their address.

    7. Re:ICANN should stop requiring physical address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could also use the address of your accountant or lawyer as the registered office of your company.

      I don't know how it works in the USA, but in Australia you don't have to give a company a name - it can just be known by its registration number. I have such a company that is just a holding company, which is owned by a trust of which myself and my immediate family members are the beneficiaries. (Was advised it's the best way to protect my assets from family disputes and divorce.)

      It's not impossible to trace things back, but the bar is sufficiently high enough that there's only a handful of people in Australia who'd be willing to spend >$100 to get copies of the documents that reveal who is behind it all.

    8. Re:ICANN should stop requiring physical address by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      My accountant or lawyer? Seriously? If someone is rich enough to have either, they're already on top of this.

  14. ICANN should start requiring PO Box. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google number, and P.O. Box. Failing that, a small company front.

  15. They separated Manafort from his family!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The evil Mueller separated Paul Manafort from his family!

    Can you imagine the heartless cruelty in that evil Nazi bastard, separating families like that!

  16. Re: Not as long as Trump's going to get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So my desires to go to a technology news site and read commentary on *gasp* technology news is petty? I could almost give you a pass on some of the posts because of trigger words like regulations or Comey but really... you're interjecting rhetoric in a post about a robbery?

    When are you going to stop obsessing? Its unhealthy.

  17. Jared and Ivanka are going to prison for TREASON by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They didn't lock up Manafort's children, but Moscow Donald's children colluded with him in support of Russia's attack on America, so they are looking at long prison sentences too. Lock him up!

  18. Guns don't kill people ... by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

    Guns don't kill people, DNS kills people.

    Wellllll in this case nobody got kilt. And you could argue it was a domain name registration. But that just ain't bumper-sticker worthy.

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    1. Re:Guns don't kill people ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in this case nobody got kilt.

      ... except in Scotland

    2. Re:Guns don't kill people ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting shot isn't exactly a scratch, you might not die but now you got a lot of holes in you that may debilitate you in some way.

    3. Re:Guns don't kill people ... by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      No no no, it's gargoyles. Just ask Nick O'Malley.

  19. Re: Not as long as Trump's going to get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Say you do get your wish and Donald Trump is locked away for a long long time, and a new president is elected who is a Democrat and conforms to everyone of your wishes.

    What then. Will you happy. No, you just like everyone other person on the planet needs something to strive for. You will find a new most baddest enemy that needs to be locked up for eternity. That might be people who have the 'stars' and bars' on the pickup or it might be anyone of a dozen other individuals and groups that you will insists are holding back equality in the USA.

    People in the USA need to stop hating themselves, and start hating extra-national enemies who play on the internal divisions of the country. It is beneficial for the long term survival of the country to hate Russians, or Mexicans as opposed to hating Democrats or Republicans.

    If the first nations had chosen to unite and fight the European invaders they might have held off for a few more years, or at least worked out better treaties.

    Don't let idealism get in the way of real-politik.

  20. Sounds like a case for a mental institution by gweihir · · Score: 1

    These 20 years will do nothing to deter anything like this and when he comes out, he will probably still be dangerous. Fail.

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    1. Re:Sounds like a case for a mental institution by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      No, this guy worked for the devil. He deserved to bleed out. I guarantee to you that he was guilty of a lot worse he was never caught for, and even if you saw proof of what type of risk was just avoided here you would still not believe it.

  21. Re: Not as long as Trump's going to get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My apology Mr. Keyboard warrior let me step out of your way. I'll go focus on making money and loving my family, you do your thing and keep posting to take down that mean old white guy you can't go a day without thinking about.

  22. History here? by illtud · · Score: 1

    Hmm - wonder if since the victim used to work for godaddy that this was a grievance thing? Maybe he used to have the domain and perceived that it was taken from him by nefarious means? Anybody got a subscription to a whois history service that can take a peek? Doesn't condone this nutter's action, but surely there's more to this than a random attempt to grab a (presumably) valuable domain? I mean there are other more obvious targets if you're willing to do this at gunpoint!

    1. Re: History here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it was GoDaddy that caused the anger, I can understand it, there are like 10,000,000 complaints against GoDaddy on the internet.

  23. Re: Sounds like a case for a disbarment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly the attorney should have argued that this crime was too dumb to work. So his client would not have attempted it, if he had attempted it, he would be too stupid to be held responsible, and if he isn't stupid, then he's crazy and could not have committed the crime because he would be too insane to live normally.

    So...I guess we file a complaint with the state bar.

  24. Heart, brain, spinal cord. Not like movies by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Poking a hole in someone's spinal cord, heart, or certain parts of the brain will kill them. Other that, doctors intentionally remove lungs, kidneys, etc, to make someone's life better in some cases. Poking a hole in one is unlikely to kill someone.

    Real life shootings are very, very different from movies. Getting shot doesn't knock you back either. You may recall Newton's third law says the force backward on the person shooting is at least equal to the force of the bullet. Actually the person shooting gets a significantly greater force than person shot - the gases come out of the barrel with significant energy that wasn't transferred to the bullet. The person shooting gets "knocked backward" with about twice as much energy as the person shot (half inch vs quarter inch).

    1. Re:Heart, brain, spinal cord. Not like movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real life shootings are very, very different from movies. Getting shot doesn't knock you back either. You may recall Newton's third law says the force backward on the person shooting is at least equal to the force of the bullet. Actually the person shooting gets a significantly greater force than person shot - the gases come out of the barrel with significant energy that wasn't transferred to the bullet. The person shooting gets "knocked backward" with about twice as much energy as the person shot (half inch vs quarter inch).

      Well,.... sort of. Newton's third law says that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. However, not all 'opposite reaction' is imparted on the shooter. Example: A buddy of mine and I both own Savage 10/110 FCP HS Precision rifles. Mine is chambered for .308 Win and his is .338 Lapua Mag but it has a muzzle break. There is much more kick from 150 grain (~3600 J) in the .308 than 300 grain (~6600 J) in the .338.

    2. Re: Heart, brain, spinal cord. Not like movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poking a hole in someone's spinal cord, heart, or certain parts of the brain will kill them.

      If you're going to be a pedant, only one of your claims is correct here. In fact, one can live with a hole poked in your heart or spinal cord.

      Other that, doctors intentionally remove lungs, kidneys, etc, to make someone's life better in some cases.

      Nope. They don't. Again, your pedantry fails. They do this to facilitate a medical outcome.

      Poking a hole in one is unlikely to kill someone.

      Define your conditions.

      Real life shootings are very, very different from movies.

      So one would hope.

      Getting shot doesn't knock you back either.

      Technically true, it might knock you forward, sideways, up, down, etc.

      You may recall Newton's third law says the force backward on the person shooting is at least equal to the force of the bullet.

      Nope. Please stop falsifying quotes when trying to be a pedant. You don't do yourself favors.

      Actually the person shooting gets a significantly greater force than person shot - the gases come out of the barrel with significant energy that wasn't transferred to the bullet.

      Oh, hey wait, you just proved yourself wrong and knowingly. Damn, took one sentence.

      The person shooting gets "knocked backward" with about twice as much energy as the person shot (half inch vs quarter inch).

      Your math is wrong. Or engineering. Or understanding of gun mechanics.

      Really, don't use napkin estimates about recoil when you're trying to be sneeringly pedantic.

      People who realize you're full of shit might just know that the image on the Choose Your Caliber T-shirt is wrong because a .50 bmg is smaller than a dollar lengthwise.

  25. Do you want to know what a hero looks like? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Because this is what a hero looks like.

    1. Re:Do you want to know what a hero looks like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you referring to? The idiot who tried to steal a domain at gunpoint, or the idiot that thought it was worth risking his life to keep the domain?

  26. Re:Let's play "Guess the Race" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is "American" a race? I know of Native Americans, but you can't refer to anyone who lives in a country with stupidly week gun laws a "race".

  27. Re:Not as long as Trump's going to get by hey! · · Score: 0

    This is America. Rich people don't go to prison unless they piss off other rich people.

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  28. 200% - 15% is still more than 100% by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Here we're talking about a handgun. In a handgun, approximately half of the forward energy is in the projectile, so without a muzzle brake the shooter would absorb twice as much energy as the target.

    Not that hardly anyone uses a muzzle brake on a handgun, but let's suppose someone does. At handgun pressures, the muzzle brake might reduce recoil by 10%-15%. So through the grip, the shooter feels 185% of the energy that the target gets.

    Suppose a perfect muzzle brake which redirects all of the excess up and sideways (we assume here it doesn't direct the muzzle flash back into the shooters face.) That perfect muzzle brake would eliminate the excess recoil due to the gases being expelled, leaving the projectile as the only source of recoil. The recoil delivered to the shooter would then be exactly equal to the energy delivered to the target, plus the energy the projectile loses to air resistance. The recoil is still higher than the energy of the projectile.

    As to you and your friend, a very good muzzle brake, under the right conditions on a high velocity rifle, can reduce recoil energy by about 50%. In other words, in the best case, it can reduce 6000 Joule to 3000. So that's odd. However, different guns can also deliver that energy over a different period of time. 6000 Joule would be a massage if delivered over a sufficiently long period of time.

    1. Re:200% - 15% is still more than 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here we're talking about a handgun. In a handgun, approximately half of the forward energy is in the projectile, so without a muzzle brake the shooter would absorb twice as much energy as the target.

      Newton's laws disagree with you. The kinetic energy pushing the bullet out of the barrel must be matched by kinetic energy pushing back on the pistol.

    2. Re:200% - 15% is still more than 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You described a general case implying all guns deliver twice the energy to the shooter as they do to the target. I refuted that statement using muzzle breaks as an example of how energy is dispersed in ways that don't go into the shooter. A muzzle break is only one factor. Regarding my example, I know it is anecdotal but it is also true.

      You also implied that energy was the only factor regarding 'knock back'. It isn't the only factor. For a target, a bullet designed for penetration will not impart all the energy into the target. For a hollow point of the same energy, more will go into the target and will deliver more 'knock back'.

  29. Re: Sounds like a case for a disbarment by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer) but even I can think of 20 years of charges... criminal trespass, break and enter, assault and battery, extortion, unlawful access to a computer account (think CFAA). Many jurisdictions also throw in extra prison tine if a gun is used in the commision of a crime.

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  30. No, wrong, internet is private by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it was a public resource we would pay taxes not ISP fees and the government would totally control everything via some ridiculous federal department with state departments making up stupid local rules.

    Because it is privately owned and run it actually works.

  31. Re: Sounds like a case for a disbarment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You're thinking of the charges, but not changing the underlying nature of the preposterous crime.

    For example, robbing a bank for money? A crime. Robbing a sperm bank for money, evidence of your client's mental state.

  32. lol what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While he attempted to wrestle the gun away from Hopkins, Deyo was shot in the leg, but he eventually gained control of the firearm and shot Hopkins multiple times in the chest.

    Hopkins shot Hopkins in the chest?

  33. The bullet AND EVERYTHING ELSE by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Re-read the first half of the sentence you quoted.
    Approximately half of the energy of the expanding gas is imparted to the projectile. The other half is gas amd other residue shooting out of the muzzle, at a velocity higher than that of the projectile. A low single-digit percentage is lost to friction.

    Handguns and rifles have "rifled" barrels, meaning there are deep grooves in the barrel, through which a round bullet passes. A portion of the expanding gas escapes through the grooves, never imparting any energy on the projectile. The rest of the gas comes exploding out of the barrel behind the bullet. This is especially true for handguns, with there short barrels. A three inch barrel isn't long enough for the gas to slow down, imparting most of it's energy to the projectile.

    The recoil is equal to the energy of the projectile PLUS the energy of the gases and solid residue leaving the barrel.

    The above ignores miscellaneous forces less than 2%.

  34. No gun needed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, and many others, have simply had "our" registrars hand "our" domain over to somebody else without replying to our e-mails, often first violating their "privacy protection" at request before doing so. The domain system is a pathetic, centralized joke, just like the Internet as a whole.

  35. Not the first time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is going back years.....a friend of mine "squatted" on a bunch of domain names for a highly popular televised "sport" in North Carolina; 2 Suburbans full of big rednecks (and 2 lawyers) came to visit him at his home office and offered him a pittance for the domain names, which he promptly handed over. He was convinced the alternative was a "beat-down" which was of course, what was GOING to happen. His immediate acquiescence took the day, and he got out of the squatting business promptly.

  36. #metoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My name is Mike Rosoft, and some shitty software company stole MY domain name!

  37. Re: Sounds like a case for a disbarment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the clarification, I thought you were trying to use "anal" like a verb and say "I anal", like "I [often receive] anal [sex]".

  38. Same Guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://khqa.com/news/local/wiu-students-charged-in-sexual-assault

  39. Re: Sounds like a case for a disbarment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But what if I rob the sperm bank for my own special brand of protein shake?

    EDIT:

    CAPTCHA is "salty"

  40. out of the box by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    What other excuse could a web entrepreneur use? I'll give him points for creative thinking.

  41. Only if it passes all the way through the target by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > For a target, a bullet designed for penetration will not impart all the energy into the target. For a hollow point of the same energy, more will go into the target and will deliver more 'knock back'.

      It doesn't matter if it penetrates one inch or six inches. When it comes to rest, all of the energy has been transferred to the target.

    This would only matter if the projectile passes all the way through the target, and exits at a significant velocity.

  42. Former President Steals Domain Names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A former American President also stole Domain names and then gave those domain names to the United Nations. He may have done this to keep Hillary's additional dirty laundry from wikileaks. He's facing a lawsuit from four state attorneys and it doesnt look like he's going to jail ....

    1. Re:Former President Steals Domain Names by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      A former American President also stole Domain names and then gave those domain names to the United Nations. He may have done this to keep Hillary's additional dirty laundry from wikileaks. He's facing a lawsuit from four state attorneys and it doesnt look like he's going to jail ....

      Of course not. They used to call Reagan the teflon president. He had nothing on Obama. Man that guy is slicker than a used car salesman.

      I have a deal for you. Hope and change. Just vote for me. Millions did. Suckers.

  43. confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nothing shows up for doitforstate.com .... ?