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Oxford English Dictionary Extends Hunt For Regional Words Around the World (theguardian.com)

The Oxford English Dictionary is asking the public to help it mine the regional differences of English around the world to expand its record of the language, with early submissions ranging from New Zealand's "munted" to Hawaii's "hammajang." From a report: Last year, a collaboration between the OED, the BBC and the Forward Arts Foundation to find and define local English words resulted in more than 100 new regional words and phrases being added to the dictionary, from Yorkshire's "ee bah gum" to the north east's "cuddy wifter," a left-handed person. Now, the OED is widening its search to English speakers around the world, with associate editor Eleanor Maier calling the early response "phenomenal," as editors begin to draft a range of suggestions for inclusion in the dictionary.

These range from Hawaii's "hammajang," meaning "in a disorderly or shambolic state," to the Scottish word for a swimming costume, "dookers" or "duckers," and New Zealand's "munted," meaning "broken or wrecked." The OED is also looking to include the word "chopsy," a Welsh term for an overly talkative person; "frog-drowner," which Americans might use to describe a torrential downpour of rain; "brick", which means "very cold" to residents of New Jersey and New York City; and "round the Wrekin", meaning "in a lengthy or roundabout manner" in the Midlands. The dictionary has already found that, depending on location, a picture hanging askew might be described as "agley," "catawampous," "antigodlin" or "ahoo" by an English speaker, while a loved one could be called a "doy," "pet," "dou-dou," "bubele," "alanna" or "babber."

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  1. "HACK" by darkain · · Score: 1

    "Hack" - 2018 definition: nobody even fucking knows anymore, and this word is used and abused by everyone to mean anything they want it to mean.

    1. Re:"HACK" by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

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    2. Re:"HACK" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "hella"

      Originated in the San Francisco Bay Area back in the 1980s where it was commonly and exclusively used until the turn of the century when No Doubt (who are from Southern California) thought it would be cool to bite some old Northern California slang. After that, it seems like a lot of people around the world use the term, but few have any ideas where it came from.

    3. Re:"HACK" by slickwillie · · Score: 1

      "Hack" - 2018 definition: nobody even fucking knows anymore, and this word is used and abused by everyone to mean anything they want it to mean.

      So the word has been hacked?

    4. Re:"HACK" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Stack Exchange seems to have popularized questions in the form of "what are some X".

      Instead of asking "What is a good technique for doing X", which gets instantly closed as "too broad" and "primarily opinion based", you just phrase it as "What are some good techniques for doing X" and it's all good.

      Now we even get this odd phrasing on Ask Slashdot sometimes.

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  2. Wait don't tell me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we are looking for another slew of words of the moment like jiggy and bling to shit up the dictionary with?
    White people we're a mistake

    1. Re:Wait don't tell me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We?

  3. A large, irritating nobody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with delusions and fantasies: a Creimer.

  4. cultural marxism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    this is how marxism works. undermine the english language by promoting forign languages at OUR expense. outrageous. i am massively offended and outraged at this attack against america.

  5. FIBs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They venture north into Wisconsin for summer and winter activities.

    1. Re:FIBs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Faggots Invading Boys?

  6. Re:" darkain " by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " darkain " - 2018 definition: nobody even fucking cares about you,.

  7. From the world of Stephen King... by The+Fat+Bastard · · Score: 1

    Ayuh.

    1. Re:From the world of Stephen King... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Somebody please mod this fucking crap down!

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    2. Re:From the world of Stephen King... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [The Post CRIMER doesn't want you to read!!!]#=--,_ 1)Why-are-people-upset-with-him? 2)What-can-I-do 3)What-are-his-names 4)Who-is-FatCashewsLovesMe 5)How-to-defeat-his-hustles 6)Why-are-there-dashes 7)Pastebin-Copy

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    3. Re: From the world of Stephen King... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Curious... why do you care if he makes money when you buy something? How does this hurt you? Why do you spend your time pasting these posts all over Slashdot?

      I honestly don't care if a link has an affiliate code in it.

    4. Re: From the world of Stephen King... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chris caught lying again!

      You love and care a lot about amazon affiliate links when they are yours. That's why you spam them all over the Internet.

    5. Re:From the world of Stephen King... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Christopher "Stephen King" Reimer:

      Creimer is not a "normal" sf&f cunt!

      Chris, why did you delete my comment from your great video page?

      I already told you about this, go figure why you have no comments on your channel and why people never come back!

      You get 4 views a day total for 50+ videos so, not even 0.1 average view by video and you delete comments as they come in you dumb fat bastard.

    6. Re: From the world of Stephen King... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because no one likes you, Chris. If people like you, you can get away with things like affiliate spam. But because you're an utterly unlikable complete and total pest, we don't tolerate you, your stupid posts, your idiotic videos, your moronic eBooks, your terrible jokes, and just your presence in general.

      We shall defend our Slashdot, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the posts, we shall fight on the sock pockets, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.

      We will NEVER let a shitmoth like you back on here. You and your Elasti-Chin can fuck right off!

    7. Re:From the world of Stephen King... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That video got 400+ views and five subscribers in the last three days. Must be the great script writing.

    8. Re:From the world of Stephen King... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chris,

      We will see if Granny PottyMouth's click bot is as good as she says or if it is going to get you completely barred from youtube.

      By the way, you need 1,000,000 views a day if you want any visibility:

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      See the famous 1,000,000 views a day creimy-dumpty video here:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Chris, my team has just updated me with your new contact info. It is nice to hear from you again and to see that you have managed to get a new Slashdot account.

      *** Chris, contact me ASAP please. I have AI click bots that don't get detected by youtube algorythm! :) -2 subscribers and 10 views a day for you is sad.. -love granny XX ***

      Dear Team Creimer,

      I just noticed that the Humpty-Dumpty video has 435+ millions views, that should make you salivate!

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      My YouTube channel has 222K subscribers and many videos with hundreds of thousands of views:

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      Love XX,

      --
      -Granny

    9. Re:From the world of Stephen King... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer, not a "normal" sf&f cunt!

      Chris, why did you delete my comments from your great video page?

      I already told you about this, go figure why you have no comments on your channel and why people never come back!

      You get 4 views a day total for 50+ videos so, not even 0.1 average view by video and you delete comments as they come in you dumb fat bastard.

    10. Re:From the world of Stephen King... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CROFLOL!

      Good thing for creimer click-bots do not need to understand what creimer says because Alexa sure can't understand a word of what he is saying.

      He wrote about here:

      I don't care; it doesn't matter how hard I try, there is no way the stupid Alexa is able to understand whatever I say!

      But I find AmazonTM the gretest thing since sliced bread...

      https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

  8. Subscribe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another one of those mass-data collection schemes where you need to subscribe to their service to see any of it. No thanks. You can't even look up a word on their website without being a subscriber.

  9. add frequency by bobmagicii · · Score: 1

    how common was it before the internet for the dictionary to add random nonsense? kind of liked it better when the dictionary was an authority on what was and was not a word, so that you could be like "that is not a word" instead of everything just becoming a word. but maybe they have always been adding stuff and it just wasn't obvious because nobody ever bought new dictionaries, we all just used the one our parents gave us that their parents gave them over and over and over.

    1. Re:add frequency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      how common was it before the internet for the dictionary to add random nonsense?

      Since day zero of the conception of the dictionary.
      It was always a documentation of how language was currently being used.

      kind of liked it better when the dictionary was an authority on what was and was not a word, so that you could be like "that is not a word" instead of everything just becoming a word.

      The dictionary was never in their existence an authority, you have it completely backwards.

      Language use comes first, and afterwards the dictionary records that fact.
      There was never a point in the last 6000 years where the dictionary defined language and its use had to follow it.

      but maybe they have always been adding stuff and it just wasn't obvious because nobody ever bought new dictionaries, we all just used the one our parents gave us that their parents gave them over and over and over.

      Do a web search on "dictionary prescriptive vs descriptive" to see more about this.

      Oxford English Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, American Heritage, all are "descriptive" dictionaries.

      They are authoritative only in the sense that some person used a word in a way or invented a new word at some point in time, and those dictionaries documented the fact this had happened.

      However just because a word is in a descriptive dictionary does NOT mean that is the correct or current usage, only that it was at some point in the past used that way.
      Just because a word is not in one doesn't mean the word doesn't exist or is invalid, it only means they haven't documented the new usage yet and are behind.

    2. Re:add frequency by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Well then, fetzdy gth-gqh gqnxsy to you!
      Dictionaries have always been used in a prescriptive manner.
      The fact is that defending bad English has become fashionable among academics, and nobody else cares.

  10. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That babbling is proof that IQ has dropped across Western Nations the past several decades.

  11. Regions? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Perhaps these regions are not accurate. For example:

    "frog-drowner," which Americans might use to describe a torrential downpour of rain; "brick", which means "very cold" to residents of New Jersey and New York City;

    I live in New Jersey, USA, and have never heard either of these terms. How far down the rathole of subculture usage are they going to go?

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    1. Re:Regions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto. LIved in New Jersey my entire life (so far) of 60+ years. Never heard these term used. Other than "brick": a building material made from clay.

    2. Re:Regions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The (unintended but useful) function of the dictionary used to be to apply the brakes slightly to the natural divergence of the English language into mutually-incomprehensible dialects. Not now though - instead modern dictionaries seem be trying to simultaneously document and accelerate the disintegration, which is unfortunate if you enjoy being able to communicate with people not from your region/culture/class.

    3. Re:Regions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NYC person here. Ditto... never heard anyone say "frog-drowner", and have never heard "brick" used to refer to "very cold" (how would that even be used?)

      Several of the others listed sounded like the were real enough, and I'm familiar with a few of them (ex. catawampous). I was hoping someone had heard "brick" before and could use it in a sentence, lol

    4. Re:Regions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps these regions are not accurate. For example:

      "frog-drowner," which Americans might use to describe a torrential downpour of rain; "brick", which means "very cold" to residents of New Jersey and New York City;

      I live in New Jersey, USA, and have never heard either of these terms. How far down the rathole of subculture usage are they going to go?

      Take a breath and relax. These words will be categorized appropriately
      The OED had a rigorous process by which their lexicographers try to determine actual usage. The odd archaic or idiosyncratic terms like brick for cold etc will either be included and the entry with have an (arch) designation, I think, to signify that it is not common vernacular. And I don’t see why the inclusion of a term is so offensive to all – the OED is just a reference guide. A word may have been used to signify X or Y at some time. Now it isn’t used that way. What harm is there of recording historical usage? The OED makes it clear in such cases. So because you don’t use it in 2018 we should reject any potential past usage? This is really narrow minded IMHO.

    5. Re:Regions? by mikael · · Score: 1

      Frog-drowner is documented here, along with gullywasher and frog-strangler

      https://www.phrases.org.uk/bul...

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    6. Re:Regions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having lived in NYC from 1978 - 2011, I was not focused on if it was used in 2018. If it wasn't used over the course of 30 plus years....and never heard a reference to it being used in the past. it says they are "new" regional words. Maybe they are "old" regional words and someone doesn't understand old vs new like fake news and news they just don't like.
       

  12. Chopsy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chopsy is used all over the UK. The OED needs better research. Much like Bill Bryson claimed that slobberchops died out in the 18th century, yet I was called it as a kid.

  13. Ob by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Whoever thought this up is a reet doylem.

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  14. "Bubele" by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

    "Bubele" isn't from a (current*) regional dialect of English, it's Yiddish.

    * You could make the roundabout argument that Yiddish, as a derivative of early German, is a dialect of the precursor to English, but I doubt anyone thinks of it that way.

    1. Re:"Bubele" by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Or a loanword incorporated into some dialects of English.

      English has a lot of loanwords, picked up from all the various cultures that England has either invaded or been invaded by. Mostly the former.

    2. Re:"Bubele" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
      --James D. Nicoll

    3. Re:"Bubele" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." --James D. Nicoll

      OK, but get them right.

      It's "ad aeternum", not "in aeternum".

      http://latindictionary.wikidot.com/portable:latin-prepositions

      Oh, well, we can't really write English correctly, too, so it's a tie, I guess.

  15. frog-downer??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have lived in 20 different states, yet this eludes me. who the hell says frog-downer to describe rain? where are they from?

  16. F*cking Munted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have never heard a Kiwi describe something as munted without the obligatory expletive prefix.

    1. Re:F*cking Munted by Kapiti+Kid · · Score: 1

      The term 'munted' was never heard in NZ before the big Christchurch earthquakes, in which the city got munted, twice. It's actually a South African racist term, and not very nice in its original usage in that country. The older term, still more commonly used, is 'buggered', which has an equally bad origin.

    2. Re:F*cking Munted by cdc · · Score: 1

      I lived in Christchurch from the early 90's through to the end of the year of earthquakes (2011). Munted was a term that was used at least as far back as the early 90's. And Christchurch got 'munted' 4 times with earthquakes - there were four quakes big enough to topple brick structures, liquify the ground, open up car-swallowing holes, and cover our road with silt. The last was on 23 Dec 2011 - I have a photo of my 11 year old son standing in a hole in the road with the road level at his shoulder. We left 2 days later because I couldn't find any work as a software dev. there. I don't recall hearing "munted" with an expletive prefix often, but the people I hung around with weren't big expletive users.

    3. Re:F*cking Munted by scott_evil · · Score: 1

      What a crock of shit. Australians have been using munted in the sense of "fucked up" since at least the 80's with no racist undertones.
      It's normally used to describe levels of drunkenness.
      "Did you see Davo last night? He was fucken munted!"

      See also: http://www.yourdictionary.com/...

    4. Re:F*cking Munted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you mean "Crock of shit, it's not a new term", then fair enough, I should have said that I never heard it used in my part of the North Island or in national news media until the big one. It seemed a good word to use, but for quite a while it had to be explained. If you mean "Crock of shit, it's an Australian term", then quite possibly it is now, but it's still South African (and racist) in origin.

    5. Re:F*cking Munted by scott_evil · · Score: 1

      Cite your sources on the South African origin.

    6. Re:F*cking Munted by twosat · · Score: 1

      No, it was being used, but I had never "heard" it before. I read in a magazine about women getting "munted hairdos" a few years before the earthquakes and wondered what the word meant. I am in Christchurch and had never heard it said before, but it definitely was around before the earthquakes.

    7. Re:F*cking Munted by Kapiti+Kid · · Score: 1

      Okay, you've got me. The origin was a remembered newspaper article explaining what the term meant. Now that I actually look it up, all I can find is a Collins dictionary definition of the word 'munt' as being a South African/Zimbabwean derogatory term for a black African. No proven connection with 'munted' that I can see. So there you go; perhaps it is Australian after all, and what I read was a reporter's guess.

    8. Re:F*cking Munted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You saw Fake News all the way back then!!!!

  17. Doy! As Curley might say. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    while a loved one could be called a "doy," "pet," "dou-dou," "bubele," "alanna" or "babber."

    Sorry, socially inept slashdotters. swn be your babber.

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  18. "Brick" Meaning very cold to some twat, not NYC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Brick" Meaning very cold to someone from New Jersey or NYC. As if.. never heard it used that way before and doubt I ever will. Total Rubbish :)

  19. Steamed Hams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But do they catalog "steamed hams" and its unique usage in Albany (though not Utica)?

  20. I'm anaspeptic, phrasmotic, even compunctuous by sandbagger · · Score: 3, Funny

    To see such pericombobulation.

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    1. Re: I'm anaspeptic, phrasmotic, even compunctuous by gazelam · · Score: 1

      It's quite a common word down our way, Dr. Johnson.

  21. Why limit oneself to native English world ? by stud9920 · · Score: 1

    There are lots of interesting English words used only in foreign langage speaking world; in France, words like "relooking" (makeover) , "footing" (jogging), or "smoking" (tuxedo) come to mind

  22. Steve Bannon by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 2

    Bannon recently coined a new regional word usage... Vernacular is now means speech peppered with lies, distortions and misrepresentations.

  23. I've got one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As far as I can tell, only in Utah is the word "bowery" used for a covered pavilion in a park where you can eat a picnic at a table.

  24. Chris really needs to pay off his credit cards. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because he was posting only to include links. Oh looks like you're talking about X here is a link to a book about slightly related subject Y!
    After he did it too much and people complained then he got extremely lippy and told us to suck it because he had so much karma saved up that there wasn't anything we could do.

    It takes me very little time to deal with chris. I wrote that copypasta as an alternative to the long and uninformative FLCM spam in about 15 minutes. I don't post most of the copies it's FCLM or someone else, maybe multiple other people.

    This is the plan, explain to the rest of slashdot why people don't like chris instead of annoying everyone so that managing chris will involve a small amount of effort from a large number of people. Since you were still confused after reading the pasta faq I'll have to write up and link to a larger offsite faq with detailed descriptions and links to examples of chris's rude comments and spamming behavior.

    Chris really needs to get off slashdot and pay his credit cards