Slashdot Mirror


OpenAI Built Gaming Bots That Can Work As a Team With Inhuman Precision (qz.com)

OpenAI said on Monday that its newest AI bots can hold their own as a team of five against human gamers at Dota 2, a multiplayer game popular in e-sports for its complexity and necessity for teamwork. The AI research lab is looking to take the bots to Dota 2 championship matches in August to compete against the pros. From a report: Dota 2 is a challenging game for AI to master simply because of the amount of decisions that the players have to juggle. While chess can end in fewer than 40 moves, and Go fewer than 150, OpenAI's Dota 2 bots make 20,000 moves over the course of a 45 minute game. While OpenAI showed last year that the bots could go one on one against a human professional in a curated snippet of the game, the company wasn't entirely sure that they could scale up to five against five.

But the research team doesn't credit this breakthrough to a new technique or a lightbulb moment, rather a simple idea. "As long as the AI can explore, it will learn, given enough time," Greg Brockman, OpenAI's chief technology officer, told Quartz. The bots learn from self-play, meaning two bots playing each other and learning from each side's successes and failures. By using a huge stack of 256 graphics processing units (GPUs) with 128,000 processing cores, the researchers were able to speed up the AI's gameplay so that they learned from the equivalent of 180 years of gameplay for every day it trained.

97 comments

  1. Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    An intelligence is self emerging, it knows what to do without training. Having to train something means it is not intelligence, so by extension not an artificial intelligence.

    1. Re:Training is not AI by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So children aren't intelligent, since they need training to do things like read and write, or even how to talk?

    2. Re:Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong.... The conscious mind learns by training. Whether by its own trial/error or observing others. We are not born with the ability to walk, talk, drive cars, play card, run computers. We train/learn to do it.

      Only your autonomic functions can just do w/o training.

    3. Re:Training is not AI by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 0

      An intelligence is self emerging, it knows what to do without training. Having to train something means it is not intelligence, so by extension not an artificial intelligence.

      From TFA: The bots learn from self-play ...

      No human told the bot what to do. It "trained" by playing against itself.

    4. Re:Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They must have some kind of guidance, though - even something as simple as "killing good, dying bad, these are the buttons you can push."

      The rest though, yeah - self-training. I'm still not sure that it's true "intelligence" though... But what *is* intelligence, exactly?

      I dunno.

    5. Re:Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill is a moron, has no idea what he's talking about.

    6. Re:Training is not AI by Bryansix · · Score: 2

      These are just buzzwords and their meaning is evolving. The latest distinction between machine learning and AI that I saw is that we let AI make decisions based on it's training. In other words, AI is just ML with the handcuffs taken off. Within either, you still have directed or non-directed training.

    7. Re: Training is not AI by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

      at first i read "with human imprecision" which is some form of irony.

    8. Re:Training is not AI by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      From TFA: The bots learn from self-play ...

      The equivalent of 180 years of self-play must have left them deaf as an adder.

      (OK, I admit, I'm really a bot that learned how to post jokes through self-play)

    9. Re:Training is not AI by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      I learned a lot from 'self-play'; does that count?

    10. Re:Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But what *is* intelligence, exactly?

      I dunno."

      I could tell you, but you wouldn't get it anyway.

    11. Re:Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. The intellectual abilities that an infant can exert allow him to give a meaning to his experiences without any required training at all. We train our children because we want them to learn our ways to communicate and to behave in society, not because they cannot learn on their own language and behaviour. No computer program can do this.

    12. Re:Training is not AI by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I'm still not sure that it's true "intelligence" though...

      Of course not, except in a very narrow sense. AI is a field of research to develop machine intelligence. We are making progress, but it will be a long journey.

      But what *is* intelligence, exactly?

      Intelligence is the ability to formulate an effective initial response to a novel situation.

      The wording here is important. It is an "ability" not a mechanism. A system that consistently behaves intelligently is intelligent. The internal mechanism is irrelevant. It is an ability to "formulate" a plan, not a physical ability to act on the plan. It is the initial response that matters, so random trial and error, or undirected evolution, don't count. It is the response to "novel" situations that matter, not just the ability to lookup and repeat previous solutions.

      What is "effective" may be subjective, but in this case it is obviously to win the game.

    13. Re: Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Children also figure a great deal of things out and can conceptualize on their own (often much to their parents' dismay ;) you obviously do not have kids), they are not little blank slates awaiting instructions. Computers and software have to be programmed somewhere along the line to function *at all*. Go ahead. Try to boot a zeroed hard drive and make it do something, let alone something all on its own.

      It is a farce to refer to this as 'intelligence'. It *is* impressive computing, but that's it.

    14. Re:Training is not AI by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The latest distinction between machine learning and AI that I saw ...

      Where did you see that? ML is a proper subset of AI. Period.

      Anything that is ML is also AI. But there are subfields of AI, such as min-max and alpha-beta pruning, that are not ML.

    15. Re:Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different plans have different costs. In order to learn the costs, you must have acted before. Just observing the world is not enough for intelligence.

    16. Re:Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, only instincts are known without training (even those might require some training). Nearly everything else about intelligence requires enormous amounts of training. Simply existing outside of a sensory deprivation tank is training.

    17. Re: Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think DNA is not a program? I'm curious as to what definition of "program" you are using.

      What the machine learning is doing may not cut it to be considered a strong AI, but it is not all that different from what a real brain does when it learns.

      Real intelligence started with things like worms, that are really pretty stupid. Over time they evolved to be more and more intelligent.

      If we can create a really dumb AI by mimicking a really dumb brain, it is very likely that we can gradually improve the design to make them smarter and smarter.

      The biggest problem is not technical, but rather that the end result of AI research is creating either slaves or masters. Neither one seems useful.

    18. Re: Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The human genome is about 725 MB in size. For the most advanced intelligence on Earth, that's one helluva piece of efficient code!

    19. Re:Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I learned a lot from 'self-play'; does that count?

      That depends on what came out of it.

    20. Re: Training is not AI by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      What! A zeroed hard drive isn't a functioning AI? Are you sure?

    21. Re:Training is not AI by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Just remember... whenever a computer can do it, it's not A.I. any more.

      So when we have a computer with a robotic body that passes for human and is better than humans in every way... folks will say, "Oh that's not A.I."

      The amygdala isn't intelligent.
      The cerebellum isn't intelligent.
      No component of the brain is really intelligent.

      I actually think it's plausible that intelligence might emerge from multi player collectives where each "player" isn't intelligent individually.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    22. Re:Training is not AI by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Even highly intelligent humans often use random trial and error when confronted with totally new situations.

      They also do stupid things like seeing patterns that don't exist or extending from prior situations they think are similar but which are not.

      The human brain is delightfully buggy, subject to framing errors, physical defects, and can't even detect when it's broken most the time.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    23. Re: Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The human genome is about 725 MB in size. For the most advanced intelligence on Earth,
      > that's one helluva piece of efficient code!

      Especially since 600MB of it are just the Hostfile! :-D

    24. Re: Training is not AI by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

      Presumed to be the most advanced. And you forget that while it may be a program, it's all about procedural generation. Those 725MB become countless TB once the program is unpacked and starts accumulating information and building a dataset of its own.

    25. Re:Training is not AI by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      Wrong. The intellectual abilities that an infant can exert allow him to give a meaning to his experiences without any required training at all. We train our children because we want them to learn our ways to communicate and to behave in society, not because they cannot learn on their own language and behaviour. No computer program can do this.

      So you meant that if you just drop a new born baby in a jungle, the baby will learn how to walk, eat, and talk by itself without any help/train (from humans or animals)? Intelligent abilities of a baby are simply capabilities and speed of learning due to its physique which is NOT ready to do anything by its own, regardless how intelligent it is.

      Even though training and learning are 2 separated things, the learning is directly related to training for a baby which is pretty much like a computer. If you are talking about children, that is a completely different state.

    26. Re: Training is not AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not a fair comparison, a zeroed hard drive and a zeroed (ie vegetable) child?

    27. Re:Training is not AI by Bryansix · · Score: 1
  2. The end of the line for RTS/MOBA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If the only thing that matters is APM, there's no point in playing.

    1. Re: The end of the line for RTS/MOBA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? Macros are usually allowed in these types of games. You can match that APM with planning.

    2. Re: The end of the line for RTS/MOBA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Macros are not usually allowed in MOBAs. Team this past week got disqualified from the biggest tournament because of macros.

  3. Probably cause they're inhuman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    amirite

  4. The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Damn it!"
    "what?"
    "I just found out we're bots in a giant stack of GPUs"
    "uhhh?"
    "I mean, dumbass, our entire existence means nothing more than training up some stupid AI to beat us!"
    "no way!"

    1. Re:The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still no answer on it being a puma

    2. Re:The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's so fake. Not even one "STFU FAG... NO U".

    3. Re:The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by The+Fat+Bastard · · Score: 0

      I've always though that the universe was inside the big toenail of God's right foot. I read Stephen King and learned that the universe was riding on the back of a giant turtle.

    4. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arenâ(TM)t you the guy who declared bankruptcy and is now 50, with no retirement savings?

    5. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Retirement accounts are generally protected in bankruptcy. You can file for bankruptcy, be 50 years old, and still have retirement savings.

    6. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but cromer wasnâ(TM)t smart enough to protect his funds that way.

    7. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You based this assessment on what? Silver coins? Funko stock? Your own stupidity?

    8. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fat moron's own writing

      https://ouaa.cdreimer.com/?s=r...

    9. Re:The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I've always though"

      Not a lot of thought went into that post, Chris.

      "the big toenail of God's right foot."

      Blasphemy!

      "I read Stephen King and learned that the universe was riding on the back of a giant turtle."

      What dressing goes with word salad?

    10. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do these articles have to do with creimer's retirement savings?

    11. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a sad fuck.

    12. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely. You never had one.

    13. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no!! He forgot that he doesn't have a retirement!!!

      Cremer's blog 1994,

      What 2014 taught me was that I need to set interlocking priorities in my personal, professional and writing lives. After being unemployed for three of the last six years, filing for a Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2011, and 20 years away from retirement with nothing in the bank, I need to get serious about my non-writing tech career.

      You need to get serious about your tech career!!!!
      You need to pay off your credit card debt now !!!!!

    14. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought we were talking about creimer. I have a 401K, a handful ofl IRAs and a Roth account.

    15. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You never fucked. Sad.

    16. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you'll be eating brand-name cat food instead of discount brands?

    17. Re:The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly,

      It seems like Chris is a victim here. He keeps on reading those SEO, youtube algorithm, basically get rich quick sites. He doesn't realize that he is the fish for them since they make money off him with their own schemes. Then, he wastes his time trying to implement what those sites suggest and he ends up disturbing people.

      I mean, those crooks tell Chris that he has to build personal brands and he goes on the Internet and makes everything about himself public!

      I believe we should bring this up at our next meeting. He might not be our only patient victim of such on-line abuse.

      https://www.researchgate.net/p...

      --
      Silvia Bunge
      Psychology Department
      University of California, Berkeley

    18. Re:The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chris' case is getting worse, he spends all day replying to himself as AC on /. and now, on YouTube in order to grab attention!

      The tests we ran on Chris have shown that Chris has the intelligence of an ameba:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      So, technically, he is able to conceive some kind of agenda but it will be silly or impossible to follow on a human scale.

      For example, Chris had an agenda to post anything he felt like on Slashdot which did not work well because it was based on his false beliefs that he had an infinite number of karma points as he wrote here several times.

      Several people here explained to Chris that karma maxed out at some level like 50 or so but Chris kept on insisting that his python script had confirmed that he had millions of karma points!

      Oh well, as I wrote before: "It isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody."

      For the valuable /. users that might already have read the following, please note that there is an important update.

      IMPORTANT UPDATE:
      Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education has invested money to buy Chris a new chair:
      http://www.keynamics.com/image...

      Information about Christopher Dale Reimer and autistic people:

      Autistic people have obsessions about things normal people don't care. For example, one of our autistic patient went haywire when he realized that there was a penny missing in his pocket change.

      To calm him down, one of our educator pretended to have found it on the floor and gave a penny to him.

      The autistic patient condition went even worse because he realized it wasn't the same penny!

      Chris has an obsession with budgeting every penny. He doesn't understand that most people do not budget to the penny and have a flexible amount they allow for miscellaneous items.

      I am Nancy Guerrero and I am Director of Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education. We use Chris' (a.k.a. creimer,cdreimer) picture in our document because he is the hardest case we have ever had to handle:
      http://www.sccoe.org/depts/stu...

      Our artists were inspired by the low carb diet that Christopher follows scrupulously for the small lunch box and by the picture linked below for the rest. I am sure that you will notice the similarities such as the bump on the side of his chest and more:
      https://ibb.co/gVad65

      Please be easy on Christopher although, I am aware that some of our staff handling Chris post joke comments here and obvoiusly, the Santa Clara County Office of Education disapprove that behavior vehemently:
      http://ibb.co/mRVSaG

      But it isn't Chris' fault if he is the way he is. We do the best we can do with him and he is partially integrated into society. We try to cure his abnormal need for attention but he is kind of stubborn and won't listen to anybody.

      Thank You dear users,
      ---
      Nancy Guerrero
      Director
      Special Education
      Santa Clara County Office of Education

    19. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You spent the entire day reading creimer's old blogs (a quarter-million words)? You are seriously a sad fuck.

      Most people don't keep their retirement savings at "the bank". Don't let an inconvenient fact stop you from taking that 3.5-year-old quote out of context.

    20. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, in fact most people do have retirement money in the bank. Old coins, for instance, can only be a part of an IRA or 401k if they are stored at specialized banks. Nobody owns a stock certificate, they have a broker account with a bank.

      But you donâ(TM)t have retirement funds, so what would you know?

    21. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used wordpress's search function to find it brainiac.
      But if you thought I was a sad fuck for reading your blog then doesn't that make all your readers sad fucks?
      You've built a personal brand and made public the smallest details of your life. This is what happens. You can't fib about anything we'll know.

      Both my 401k and IRA are in banks. The only non-bank brokerage account I have is a no fee brokerage but that ends up getting used like a super high interest bank for short term savings goals like vacation and christmas presents. Who knows that's probably a bank too.
      My credit card company is a bank that offers checking, savings, retirement accounts, bonds, stocks, etc.

      Like how do you not know this? Please chris sell off your silver and pay off your credit cards

    22. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, in fact most people do have retirement money in the bank.

      If you want a money market IRA that pays less than your regular savings account.

      Old coins, for instance, can only be a part of an IRA or 401k if they are stored at specialized banks.

      Old coins can be stored in safe deposit boxes. Be sure you have the safe deposit box registered in an LLC. An LLC can appoint anyone to open the safe deposit box. If the safe deposit box is in your name, your heirs will have to wait until your death certificate becomes available (usually 30 days) before they can access your safe deposit box.

      With a precious metals IRA, you have to purchase 100 troy oz (or larger) bullion bars because they stack better and trust that the vault will have your bars when you're ready to retire.

      Nobody owns a stock certificate, they have a broker account with a bank.

      I haven't seen a stock certificate since the late 1980's. My brokerage account is at a full service brokerage.

      But you donâ(TM)t have retirement funds, so what would you know?

      I've already told you. I have a 401K, a handful of IRAs and a Roth IRA.

    23. Re: The next episode of Red vs. Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My brokerage account is at a full service brokerage.

      That's fantastic!!! This means they may offer you basic investment advice for free!!
      Why don't you explain to your financial adviser that you have decided that instead of paying off your credit cards you want to be covered if the markets collapse but not so much that you can't trade your silver for other things before you die.

  5. Quake CTF bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember playing against Quake CTF bots that worked as a team. There were team deathmatch bots that would learn maps & communicate.

    1. Re:Quake CTF bots by mah! · · Score: 2

      That makes sense, since Quake is indeed an Inhuman.

    2. Re: Quake CTF bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not compared to Quisp. I myself voted for Quake.

  6. One step closer to doomsday by butchersong · · Score: 2

    Why does this conjure up images of hordes of inhumanely fast robots swarming cities and taking out citizens and soldiers with ease... How long until there forms an upperclass completely immune to revolution or the conscience of its human military?

    1. Re:One step closer to doomsday by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Why does this conjure up images of hordes of inhumanely fast robots swarming cities and taking out citizens and soldiers with ease... How long until there forms an upperclass completely immune to revolution or the conscience of its human military?

      I think that's quite a ways off. But to Godwin the question, how many hardcore Nazis did it take to run Nazi Germany? Yesterday it might have taken 50% or 10% of the population to support you. Tomorrow it could be 1% or 0.1% because they keep tabs on everyone else.

      --
      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    2. Re:One step closer to doomsday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tomorrow?

      are you insane.? Its that way TODAY, probably even 5 years ago.

      in china, and other parts of the developed world, the mass surveillance net has been in place for a long time.

    3. Re:One step closer to doomsday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would say at most several hundred to perhaps a few thousand. With how easy it is to bribe, cajole, wheedle, or coerce people into doing things, it only takes a very few people to actually do the "ruling". Add technology as a force multiplier, where nobody even needs to find the bad guys... just let the AI system point the goons or killbots their way, the whole world can be held by an iron grip of a tiny amount of people. It could even be 1-5 people behind the curtain, with the rest being pawns.

      I am amazed a Cultural Revolution hasn't started in the US to "purge" the naysayers and people who don't drink the two party, Red/Blue Kool-Aide.

    4. Re:One step closer to doomsday by Sumus+Semper+Una · · Score: 1

      Why does this conjure up images of hordes of inhumanely fast robots swarming cities and taking out citizens and soldiers with ease

      Because science fiction about AI that was somewhat useful in some cases but didn't quite solve as many problems as was hoped and yet didn't go out of control doesn't sell nearly as well.

      How long until there forms an upperclass completely immune to revolution or the conscience of its human military?

      As soon as someone figures out an absolutely foolproof way to identify "upperclass" to an AI. Military history is a millennia old arms race. New weapons are inevitably met with counters to those weapons. If someone makes an autonomous weapon that only targets certain things, someone else will figure out what it's been targeting and do their best to confuse it.

      There are dangers to autonomous weapons, but try to stick to more likely problems lest the lack of difference between legitimate concerns and outlandish theoretical possibilities becomes a tool others can use against your cause.

    5. Re:One step closer to doomsday by KiviPall · · Score: 0

      > how many hardcore Nazis did it take to run Nazi Germany?

      BTW, how many communist it took to murder over 100 million people?

    6. Re:One step closer to doomsday by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Well, please take consolation in the fact that as they are doing this, folks who are being shot will proclaim "Those aren't A.I." as they die.

      A.I. is really a potential extinction level threat and people don't take it seriously enough.

      At a minimum any A.I. research should have analog power consumption indicators, remote observation, and a physical power connection that can be broken easily (or even one where active steps must be taken to maintain it).

      We don't do that in many cases.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    7. Re:One step closer to doomsday by nagora · · Score: 1

      "With how easy it is to bribe, cajole, wheedle, or coerce people into doing things,"

      You can't judge everyone by the French.

      --
      "Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
    8. Re:One step closer to doomsday by epine · · Score: 1

      You can't judge everyone by the French.

      Yesterday I visited Wikipedia to scope out the mere-exposure effect.

      Zajonc, an only child, was born in Lodz, Poland on November 23, 1923.

      In 1939, before the Nazi invasion of Poland reached Lodz, his family fled to Warsaw. During their short stay, the building they were living in was hit by an air raid.

      Both of Zajonc's parents died, and he was seriously injured.

      The rest of his time in Warsaw was dedicated to studying at an underground university, until he was sent to a German labor camp.

      He escaped the work camp, was recaptured, and then sent to a political prison in France.

      After escaping for the second time, he joined the French Resistance, continuing his studies at the University of Paris.

      And to think we made fun of the Poles growing up (perhaps this was probably due to a large Ukrainian diaspora). But then you grow up, and learn more.

      A Review of General Psychology survey, published in 2002, ranked Zajonc as the 35th most cited psychologist of the 20th century.

    9. Re:One step closer to doomsday by epine · · Score: 1

      A.I. is really a potential extinction level threat and people don't take it seriously enough.

      Pouring all your fears into one basket?

      When I grew up, the rusty old H-bomb featured as the new-car-smell PELT and we still don't take it seriously enough.

      Seems no matter what it is, the Death Race 2000 new car smell eventually wears off.

    10. Re:One step closer to doomsday by nagora · · Score: 1

      The Poles were instrumental in winning WWII, from code-breaking to piloting fighters in the Battle of Britain.

      --
      "Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
    11. Re:One step closer to doomsday by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      That's the main reason I don't want nuclear power. Humans are way to casual with it within a decade or so. Nothing bad happened so they start cutting corners .5%. And nothing bad happens... so they iterate.

      And no, I have many baskets. :-)

      A.I. is just one of them.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  7. Inhuman or "inhuman"? by mah! · · Score: 1
  8. This is amazing because... by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    ...it can be applied to important things like X and Y and Z! We promise. It isn't just for games. This is real important stuff.

    1. Re:This is amazing because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, don't you get bored with posting this shit on every AI topic? Nobody's listening.

    2. Re:This is amazing because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking the exact same thing.

  9. "...rather a simple idea:" by Alyks · · Score: 0

    A massive amount of GPUs and CPUs thrown at the problem.

  10. a new word! by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

    this amazing news needs a new word! lets call it, botting!

  11. Will Bots Create the Meta Game? by Layth · · Score: 2

    When humans start looking to bots to figure out the meta game that'll take out half the fun

  12. Since we're comparing AI to human capability by biocode · · Score: 1

    It would be interesting to see how the AI performs when restricted to the same equivalent wattage as the human brain consumes in calories of glucose. Let's be generous and only look at compute... not counting power for HVAC.

    1. Re:Since we're comparing AI to human capability by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Interesting proposition. The reverse could also be approximated: how many people would the power used by this system represent?

      --
      #DeleteFacebook
    2. Re:Since we're comparing AI to human capability by Lennie · · Score: 1

      How about instead of that we allow humans to get bigger brains not confined by their energy consumption what would happen then ?

      --
      New things are always on the horizon
  13. It's worst than that by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 0

    The AI's learned the equivalent of 180 years of gameplay for every day it trained.

    And the AI's will never forget even the smallest detail and always use its knowledge to 100% efficiency.

    If it was confined to games it would already be scary enough. Now imagine the same thing being applied to AI connected to real-life machines.

    --
    #DeleteFacebook
    1. Re:It's worst than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dear past dweller,
      If you can get your hands on it's training data you'll instantly know all it's future moves.
      Best regards,
      John Conner

    2. Re:It's worst than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Even in the future, people still haven't learned the difference between its and it's.

  14. You lost me at "e-sports" by KiviPall · · Score: 0

    Banging on a keyboard and hanging onto a joy-stick is not sport no matter how much you sweat while guzzling down sugar water with caffeine and what not.
    Actually, playing vid games past your teen years is pathetic to begin with.

  15. solution to all phone and website hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi people! One of my friends wanted to know if her boyfriend was cheating on her and I recommended; spymasterpro3x@ g mail . com to her based on my wonderful experience with them. She contacted them shortly for Facebook hack and phone hack at a cheap cost. Within few hours, She was able to successfully hack his account and secure the information she needed. Both of us are extremely grateful for his assistance in securing our passwords. You can also contact them for all hacking services you require

  16. Slaves or Masters or Mind Children or Friends etc? by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    See Hans Moravec's informed speculations like his book "Mind Children": https://www.goodreads.com/book...

    Or going beyond that to the nature of consciousness and reality:
    http://www.frc.ri.cmu.edu/~hpm...

    And see also Vernor Vinge's various writings on a "Singularity".

    That said, hedging our bets by making the world a happier and healthier and more resilient place for everyone right now before a singularity is probably not a bad idea given our trajectory out of any singularity may have a lot to do with out path into one.

    --
    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  17. Weren't you going to retire off your trolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You spent the entire day reading creimer's old blogs (a quarter-million words)? You are seriously a sad fuck.

    Weren't you going to retire off your trolls?
    Shit talk them and annoy them to drive traffic to your content?
    I would think this pleases you everything is going according to plan,

    1. Re:Weren't you going to retire off your trolls? by The+Fat+Bastard · · Score: 1

      Weren't you going to retire off your trolls? Shit talk them and annoy them to drive traffic to your content? I would think this pleases you everything is going according to plan,

      You're stupid to realize that creimer spent a year trolling your sorry ass.

    2. Re:Weren't you going to retire off your trolls? by The+Fat+Bastard · · Score: 0

      If I proofread, you will have one less thing to bitch about. Without creimer, your life is meaningless. Boo-hoo!

    3. Re:Weren't you going to retire off your trolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitching about it in the comments changes nothing, Chris.

      "Without creimer"

      We can only imagine. But judging by your rapid weight gain in your last few videos , we won't have to imagine for much longer.

    4. Re:Weren't you going to retire off your trolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were only pretending to be retarded?

    5. Re:Weren't you going to retire off your trolls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

  18. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  19. Complex? by JThundley · · Score: 1

    Dota 2? Complex? Starcraft laughs at this, it must be so hard to micro one unit against a few enemies.

  20. Bot-2-bot coordination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be interesting to know if there's one "processor" coordinating the 5 bots, or 5 independent processors that need to communicate with each other about what decisions to take, as human do traditionally by using voice-chat.