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Ocean Spray On Saturn Moon Contains Crucial Constituents For Life (theguardian.com)

Astronomers have found that blasts of ocean spray erupting from the Saturn moon of Enceladus contain complex organic molecules, "making it the only place beyond Earth known to harbor crucial constituents for life as we know it," reports The Guardian. From the report: Astronomers detected the compounds in plumes of water and ice that shoot from huge fractures in the south pole of Enceladus, a 300-mile-wide ice ball that orbits Saturn along with 52 other moons. Enceladus stands out among the planet's natural satellites because it hosts a global water ocean beneath its frozen crust. German and U.S. scientists found tell-tale signs of organic molecules far more complex than amino acids and 10 times heavier than methane in data gathered by Nasa's Cassini probe as it flew over the fractures on Enceladus. Known as "tiger stripes," the fissures reach several miles down into the ice and are largely filled with ocean water that percolates up from the ocean.

Writing in the journal Nature, Frank Postberg, a planetary scientist who worked on the data at Heidelberg University, and his colleagues describe their analysis of fresh Cassini data that shows that most ice particles blasting out of Enceladus are almost pure water. But a small proportion, about 1%, are rich in organic molecules containing carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and potentially nitrogen too. Some were made up of hundreds of atoms. "Our results mark the first ever detection of complex organics coming from an extraterrestrial water world," said Postberg.

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  1. Unfortunately by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 0
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  2. Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's amazing to think that on earth it just contains cranberries.

    1. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here we observe yet another moderator who doesn't understand his job, and should never get mod points again.

    2. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh-shon spreh mon!

  3. For life LIKE US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The universe will surprise us with types of life that we never imagined.
    Hell, it does that right here on Earth!

    Yet we still act about as wise regarding this as the "scientists" in Idiocracy that studied penis enlargement and hair growth.

    I hope we find out what caused the average IQ to fall since the 70s"> before it's too late.

    1. Re: For life LIKE US. by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

      Poor people have more children. It's a very natural response to extreme environmental pressures. I, however, can think of at least one family who could have had one less child, and not contributed to growing population of heartless stupid assholes.

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    2. Re: For life LIKE US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this illustrates that the actual solution to overpopulation is to raise the individual standard of living. People better off have less kids, people worse off have more. Do the maths.

    3. Re: For life LIKE US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome. All we have to do is raise Clevon's standard of living, and he'll stop f**king everything that moves. How exactly do you suggest we do that?

    4. Re: For life LIKE US. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not when those azzwholes are needed to castrate Trotsky-spewing nibberizing snowflakes. Feel-the-drool bitchboi ... blood is kruel to SJW stool.

  4. some quotes by mapkinase · · Score: 5, Informative

    https://www.nature.com/article...

    The data constrain the macromolecular structure of organics detected in the ice grains

    This makes this sound almost like we can do a long distance crystallography on these.

    Luckily in the article itself it explains that what they mean is the presence of peaks characteristic of aromatic rings and

    hydroxyl (CH2OH+, CH3–CH-OH+), ethoxy or carbonyl functional groups or nitrogen-bearing ions (for example, CH2NH+2 and CH3–CH–NH+..... abundant cationic forms of a benzene ring, phenyl (C6H5+, 77 u) and benzenium (C6H7+, 79 u).

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    1. Re:some quotes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about those who think the basics of life included Netflix?

    2. Re:some quotes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The data constrain the macromolecular structure of organics detected in the ice grains

      This makes this sound almost like we can do a long distance crystallography on these.

      My initial thought and assumption was the data had been gathered by a probe sent in the past and radioed back to Earth.

      Not to say "from orbit" level distance isn't pretty long distance already, but a different scale than detecting from here.

      But then again we can do limited spectroscopy using the light from stars as planets pass in front of them, so the above makes a lot of sense.

  5. heh by Mazgula · · Score: 0

    this title is extra-stupid clickbait baloney

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  6. Ocean Spray... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a bold new product from a company known mostly for cranberry drinks and dried sweetened cranberries.

    1. Re:Ocean Spray... by Memnos · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now certified Organic.

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  7. Welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome our complex molecules of organic constituents for life as we know it, overlords.

  8. You always get it backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's "the Saturn moon Enceladus" or "the moon Enceladus of Saturn", not "the Saturn moon of Enceladus".

    1. Re:You always get it backwards by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      If you want to get pedantic, it's "Saturn's moon Enceladus", "Enceladus, one of Saturn's moons", or "Enceladus, a moon of Saturn".

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    2. Re:You always get it backwards by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      And here I was busy madly quibbling over the absurdity that a water fountain is considered "ocean spray." I mean, unless the tidal forces bounced it off a rock into the air, it isn't ocean spray.

      But I do like cranberries, or really any species of Vaccinium.

  9. Epic Overlord Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS – EXCEPT EUROPA.
          ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.

    Off-mike: what do you mean, you landed on the wrong moon? How can you land on the wrong moon? ... The wrong moon circling the wrong freaking planet? ... Do you have any idea how dumb this makes us look? ... What am I supposed to tell the Earthlings? ...

    CORRECTION. ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS – EXCEPT ENCELADUS.
          ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.

    1. Re:Epic Overlord Fail by AlwinBarni · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Solar system with regard to (potentially) habitable environments:

      Venus:

      it is speculated that there are proper conditions in the upper atmosphere, which contains water vapor and where temperatures are right, spots of UV absorption are detected, yet not explained

      Earth:

      abundance of life, the earliest fossils indicate that life started as soon as there were proper conditions, some even speculate that there might be intelligent life ;-)

      Mars:

      had proper conditions in the past, is smaller so it cooled faster (if any life, then likely much sooner then on Earth), had water and denser atmosphere, now there are complex organic molecules (recently detected by Curiosity) and seasonal changes of methane, which is a clue, however can also be explained by some geological processes

      Ceres:

      organics and "... may have a remnant internal ocean of liquid water under the layer of ice ..." wiki

      Jupiter:

      Europa - vast subsurface H2O ocean with detected plumes, Ganymede - subsurface H2O ocean (additionally own magnetic field), Callisto - small subsurface H2O ocean (likely)

      Saturn:

      Enceladus - subsurface H2O ocean, detected plumes, very likely conditions similar to Earth ocean vents (which are hypothesized to be the cradle for life), Titan - surface methane lakes with rain and thick atmosphere, hypothesized subsurface H2O ocean with enough organics to "cook" something

      Pluto:

      hypothesized subsurface H2O ocean

      All the above we know, because we send some probes there, we have never sent any probe capable of directly detecting life only organics (except Vikings) and mostly organics were detected (Vikings detected life - however the results were inconclusive, aka there is other explanation for the data). There are still places like Triton, which is geologically active and is expected to be very similar to Pluto.

      Vast number of exoplanet in habitable zones, which we now have technology to remotely sense (not money or commitment however).

      For comparison:

      • New Horizons: $700 million for research development and over 10 years mission crew, on time under budget, threatened multiple times with cancellation
      • B-2 bomber: $737 million per bomber, project cost: $44.75 billion
      • Star Wars the Last Jedi: $200–250 million budget, $1.333 billion revenue
    2. Re:Epic Overlord Fail by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      I note you left the James Webb telescope off the list. 10 billion in and more delays and money needed....what a goatfuck with drunken goats

    3. Re:Epic Overlord Fail by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Earth...some even speculate that there might be intelligent life

      Still open to debate, but their leader does spray organics.

    4. Re:Epic Overlord Fail by Nivag064 · · Score: 1

      [...]

      Earth:

      abundance of life, the earliest fossils indicate that life started as soon as there were proper conditions, some even speculate that there might be intelligent life ;-)

      [...]

      I've investigated Earth life forms extensively, and found no conclusive evidence for Intelligent Life -- in fact, quite the reverse.

      Humans claim to be the most intelligent lifeform, yet they Elected Trump in the USA. Also look at the huge predilection for insisting that things are true, despite obvious conflict with Reality, such as: Flat Earthers, Creationists, and Global Warming Denialists!

    5. Re:Epic Overlord Fail by schweini · · Score: 1

      You should win a price for the best formatted slashdot comment EVER! How did you get those nice indents and to show? Testing..

    6. Re:Epic Overlord Fail by schweini · · Score: 1
      Testing again... Coffee Black hot drink Milk White cold drink

      Aha! <dl> , <dt> and <dd> ! Neat!

    7. Re:Epic Overlord Fail by AlwinBarni · · Score: 1

      Indeed, last time I checked it was "mostly harmless", however the latest development might validate changing this description.

    8. Re:Epic Overlord Fail by AlwinBarni · · Score: 1

      I just provided some perspective.

      Indeed JWST is terribly over budget and just a mistake of cleaning thrusters with improper detergent resulted in their damage and $600mln repair costs (close to the whole New Horizons mission). The project is terribly mismanaged, however it does not mean that JWST itself is not worth building. In this case Northrop Grumman Aerospace Systems became too comfortable with costs+profits contracting model, which still dominates government projects.

      I think this mismanagement should not be taken lightly and the contractor should be held liable for the mistakes, and the future contracts should be based on paying for achieved milestones, however the scientific value of JWST is too important to just cancel it - just my personal opinion.

      I hope that answering the profound question of whether we are alone would be one of the scientific goals for humankind in the XXI century - we have technology to pursue the answer and JWST is one key element.

    9. Re:Epic Overlord Fail by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Yes the Webb is indeed worth building since one thing it would do is of particular interest to me, so it is the one program that triggers me the most

  10. What molecules?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ach, it pisses me off, Slashdot has become so non-technical. And media in general, reflecting the lack of science knowledge, but here I expect better than that.

    How come the names of actual types of molecules are not named or described. No, I can't afford to scale the pay-wall.
    But such summaries are useless.

    ".... tell-tale signs of organic molecules far more complex than amino acids and 10 times heavier than methane...t a small proportion, about 1%, are rich in organic molecules containing carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and potentially nitrogen too. Some were made up of hundreds of atoms."

    But what were the compounds? That way one could decide how close they are to biochemistry.

  11. Ocean Spray? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    Damn cranberries are everywhere...

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    1. Re:Ocean Spray? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lynwood sucks cock in federal prison for cheetos.

  12. Spray particles escaping into solar system by mango9 · · Score: 1

    According to wikipedia some particles far exceed escape velocity. If life exists there then it may have been 'exploring' for a long time if only as spores... good sf story here!

  13. I wonder which day they're on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...because Earth only took 6 days. ;)

  14. Re:Speaking of moons by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1
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  15. Cranberries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot is cranberries. C R A N berries.

  16. This is why life is abundant in the universe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subject should have read: This is why I THINK THAT life is abundant in the universe ... but I ran out of space.

    In my opinion, it isn't a matter of some random chance that organic molecules formed on Earth and the conditions were just right to create a chain of evolution from that to intelligent (allegedly) life. The way the physics of THIS universe work, it is in its nature to create life, and where conditions are amenable evolution WILL follow. It's chaos theory all the way down.

    The entropy of a closed system never decreases.

  17. Re:Speaking of moons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How old are you ? Twelve ?

    The WWF is fake. The moon landings were real.

    Get it right next time.

  18. "Ocean Spray On Saturn Moon Contains..." by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

    As if Cranberry needed anything to taste any worse.

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  19. So what? by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    So does the Ocean Spray in my fridge if I leave it there long enough.

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