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Bye Siri, Says Apple AI's Last Remaining Founder (cnet.com)

Tom Gruber, the last of three Siri voice assistant co-founders still at Apple, has retired from his role as head of Siri's Advanced Development group, The Information reports. From a report: The 59-year-old will pursue personal interests in photography and ocean conservation, the publication said citing unnamed sources. Gruber's departure comes as the Siri group is seeing a major haul in its leadership under new boss John Giannandrea, formerly Google's head of AI and search. Dag Kittlaus and Adam Cheyer, with whom Gruber founded the original Siri Inc before it was bought over by Apple in 2010, left the iPhone maker years ago in 2011 and 2012 respectively.

58 comments

  1. As Predicted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Siri is software, and therefore would never have given Apple hardware that they could sell at a grossly inflated price. Out with that plan.

  2. At 59? I'd have been out sooner by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    In fact, I plan to be, though my net worth is still probably only a fraction of these folks. There's only so long anyone should really want to work for someone else.

  3. Re: And TRUMP Will Depart Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For doing what?

  4. Re:At 59? I'd have been out sooner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In fact, I plan to be, though my net worth is still probably only a fraction of these folks. There's only so long anyone should really want to work for someone else.

    Only if you have plenty of activities and social time with people - real people; not social media pseudo-relationships.

    I see it all the time. People retire or lose jobs for whatever reason and they fall apart - having plenty of money in the bank makes no difference. They become depressed and drunks. All the expensive anti-depressants in the World don't make up for being lonely. (Depression is a symptom; not an illness)

    The people who have plenty of outside meaningful (to them) activities with other people do well. I think if the ocean conservation involves lots of social time, Gruber will be fine. Photo clubs usually are just equipment masturbation - BORING!

    Anyway, this whole retirement nonsense is a throwback to the old factory days when you were forced to retire because you were used up.

  5. Re: And TRUMP Will Depart Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For doing what?

    For winning the election w/o any experience and a fraction of the money... Never mind that the opposing candidate was a total F up who could barely stand up and cackled like a witch and had personal likeability numbers lower than Hitler after the war.

  6. Re: Impersonating me? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of people despise you, of which I am only one person. I certainly do despise you, though. And it's hilarious to watch you get angry and butthurt over a parody that's pretty damn funny.

    No one thinks you actually posted the grandparent comment. It's obviously parody rather than impersonation. It's pretty damn funny, which is why it keeps getting posted. Your absurd reaction to it is even funnier, encouraging people to continue posting it.

  7. Re: Impersonating me? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm the guy whom you are jealous of for having a net worth over $50 million. I don't need validation from you, since I already have all of the validation I need from other sources. I post what I do to remind you just how pathetic you are, hoping that you'll grow up, move out of your mother's basement, and write real software rather than your hosts file toy. Because you probably will never grow up, I instead get plenty of amusement from watching you make an ass of yourself repeatedly. It'll be fun watching you chase your tail for the next couple of weeks thinking every AC is me. I'm meeting up with some friends later on and enjoying the Monaco nightlife. I'm sure they'll find your posts today as hilarious as your comments were yesterday.

    Have fun chasing your tail!

  8. Clippy 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You seem to be making a resign letter, would you like some help with that ?

  9. Prove you have 50 million dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prove you have 50 million dollars vs. 50 MILLION LIES. I'm not jealous of liars (or if you had it). If you don't prove it you're pathetic.

    APK

    P.S.=> By the way: I own my own home for a decade++ (so much for your other lie there regarding myself) & what ware have YOU WRITTEN YOURSELF from scratch/by hand/your code completely others like & use speaking well of it (even /.ers in my case https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... )? apk

    1. Re: Prove you have 50 million dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you're actually successful like I am, you can hire employees and not do all the work yourself. I develop real products rather than toy products like your hosts file crap. You're not important enough that I have to prove myself to you. I am am owner of a business with lots of employees. I prove myself to them. I don't prove myself to you. My business has real products that customers actually pay for, and a valuation that's based on actual sales and profits. People actually pay for the products my business produces, unlike your hosts file crap that you can't even give away for free to most people.

      Maybe I'll develop an open source tool, though. Since antivirus software has flagged your crap program as malware, maybe it's time I create a useful tool: APK Hosts File Engine Remover. As bitter and hateful as you are, you can't be trusted to not include malware with your software and attack others. A removal tool might be very useful for people.

      Let me know when you can actually get someone to buy your crapware.

  10. Re: You despise yourself... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one wants to be a 55 year old virgin like you. No one wants to have a reputation as bad as yours. I assure you, absolutely no one wants to be you. Even you don't want to be you, which is why you do so much projecting.

  11. Bye bye English by Lije+Baley · · Score: 2

    "from a report"
    "major haul"
    "bought over"
    Bye bye editing.

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  12. This is a total non-story by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    It’s about one guy retiring. Meanwhile, in iOS 12 Siri, which up to now has been a voice macro system for Apple stock apps, will be opened up for third-party use. This is when thing will start to get interesting.

    1. Re:This is a total non-story by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Itâ(TM)s about one guy retiring. Meanwhile, in iOS 12 Siri, which up to now has been a voice macro system for Apple stock apps, will be opened up for third-party use. This is when thing will start to get interesting.

      Siri already is open for third party use. Not sure when (iOS 10 or 11), but any developer can use SiriKit to add functionality to Siri.

      The fun part is I believe because of Apple, the recognition is happening as much as possible on-device, though it needs a trip to the cloud in case the recognition fails and needs more processing power.

      (Remember, Apple is on the privacy thing, so they're starting to do more things on-device rather than rely on the cloud. It's also why the China thing is not a huge deal - you can opt-out of iCloud and keep your data to yourself).

    2. Re:This is a total non-story by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Apple's privacy is also a weekness though. It makes it far harder for their machines to learn (less data to use), and less easy to use information about the requestor to tune the answer.

      It'll be interesting to see which model works (more effective but evil (Google) vs less effective and less creepy (Apple).

      As a user, thus far I am siding with evil, but it's starting to make me uncomfortable.

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    3. Re:This is a total non-story by thebullshitpatrol · · Score: 1

      Siri Shortcuts is more like AppleScript.

    4. Re:This is a total non-story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, in iOS 12 Siri, which up to now has been a voice macro system for Apple stock apps, will be opened up for third-party use.

      It couldn't get any worse, I suppose:

      Hey Siri, play album Bastion.

      Sure, now playing Bat Dance by Prince

      wtf?

  13. Don't care by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Siri, Alexa and other fucking intruding so-called A.I. crap are not worth the constant spying.

    There's only two persons I wish would leave Apple:
    - Tim Cook, the bean-counter CEO who doesn't care about Macs
    - Jony Ive, the let's-make-everything-thinner designer who keeps making Macs worst every fucking year

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    1. Re:Don't care by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      Right...I decided to do a test one day to see how sensitive Alexa was. Mind you, this is with a a $25 el-cheapo device.

      I whispered "Alexa".

      I reduced volume even more with a faint whisper: "Alexa"

      I dropped it down to -11 and really just tried to prevent Alexa from hearing me at all. No dice. She responded each time.

      Alexa is now in my "computer junk bin."

      I do realize that the problem of my cell phone remains along with all the other cell phones in the house which I have to assume are capable of the same creepy shit. I have nothing to hide as I'm quite open about my use of ganja and I'm otherwise a "law abiding citizen" but this is just unacceptable. I talk a lot of politics and current world affaris with my son--a lot. Those are things you don't want fed to the beast.

      I recently saw an article on various things that people "say to Alexa." So your whispers and other convo are all being recorded and reported on. Fact.

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      I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
    2. Re:Don't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I completely agree.

    3. Re: Don't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think adjusting the device's speaker volume controls the sensitivity of its listening? Dude, stay the fuck away from technology you know fuck all about.

  14. Re: Impersonating me? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to add on to what you said. APK can't actually afford the house. That's why he has to live with his butt buddies and make them help pay the bills.

    Remember, no one wants to buy his hosts file crap, otherwise he'd be selling it. Someone has to pay for him to sit on his as all day while posting crap to Slashdot.

  15. Either very good, or very bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When a new C-suite guy comes in and senior leadership all suddenly "retires" or "wants to spend more time with their family" it's normally either very good (the fired people were toxic, directionless fools), or very bad (the new guys are toxic, directionless fools). (Also, I guess BOTH could be toxic, directionless fools)

    So Apple insiders, which one is it?

  16. Re:Personal photography? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Did you mean this?

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  17. Re:At 59? I'd have been out sooner by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Photo clubs usually are just equipment masturbation - BORING!

    I bet the Realdoll clubs really are into equipment masturbation.

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    #DeleteFacebook
  18. Re:At 59? I'd have been out sooner by swb · · Score: 2

    I'd wager "ocean conversation" could be an altruistic version of yachting.

    Managing a long-endurance ocean research vessel and coordinating their research sounds like a great way to fill all of your time plus more, not to mention a lot of social contact even at sea.

    I think the bigger problem for people who retire is that they seldom have the resources to plunge into a hobby immersive enough to fill their time. Too many people count on creativity or something else to stretch their limited resources and fill in their time.

  19. Re: Then why do you impersonate me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad you finally admit that you're a narcissist. Admitting you have a problem is the first step. You should look into getting treatment for NPD.

  20. Prove you're successful & have real product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prove you're successful & have real product: You can't, lol. You prove you're a BLOWHARD LIAR that stalks me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous.

    * YOU CLAIM YOU HIRE OTHERS TO DO THE WORK? THEN IT"S NOT "YOUR" PRODUCT - it's a product of the hard work of OTHERS (not you, blowhard).

    1st though you must PROVE you have that product & your "MILLION$" (lol, not) vs. MILLIONS OF BLOWHARD HOTAIRWARE (lol) LIES you prove you SPEW, lmao!

    APK

    P.S.=> I'm not selling my program & UNLIKE YOU? I can PROVE others like & use my ware (even /.ers speak well of my work (not yours as a small sample "proof thereof" YOU DON'T HAVE WINDBAG B.S. ARTIST YOU CLEARLY ARE) https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... )

  21. Re: Prove you're successful & have real produc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're not important enough for me to feel the need to prove anything to you. In neither need nor desire your validation.

    Also, sales are far more important than seven or eight out-of-context quotes accumulated over a few years. If it took several years to find a handful of people who will say anything good about your product... well... it means your product SUCKS.

  22. My home's paid off, lol... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK can't actually afford the house. That's why he has to live with his butt buddies and make them help pay the bills. - by UNIDENTIFIABLE Anonymous Coward STALKING APK on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:20AM (#56974344)

    See subject: So much for your "APK can't actually afford the house" bs (I paid it off 11++ yrs. ago & make my bills just fine but I do have roommates).

    * TRUTH IS, I set myself up SO WELL, I haven't HAD to work for ANYONE in 11++ yrs as their "wageslave" making PEANUTS of the total profits made & am RETIRED (for the most part)

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly, you PROJECT you sit around /. all day long & STALK ME or IMPERSONATE me too https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... like the obsessed WHACKO you clearly are that WISHES he was ME, lol...) apk

    1. Re:My home's paid off, lol... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By retired APK means his ass got fired during the great recession and no one is willing to hire him. By doing well he means that his disability payments keep him from starving since he can afford dog food and once a months treats himself to a can of fancy feast. By paid off home he means his and his roomate's half of that dumpy duplex that is worth less than a standard down payment on a non shitty house.

    2. Re: My home's paid off, lol... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Patients in a mental health hospital are not usually referred to as "roommates".

  23. You proved your full of crap, lol... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & THANKS for proving YOU are FULL OF CRAP (hotairware lies)... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> You have NO product & no MONEY, period... apk

    1. Re: You proved your full of crap, lol... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No product and no money? Looks like you're projecting yet again.

  24. Re:At 59? I'd have been out sooner by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    Only if you have plenty of activities and social time with people - real people; not social media pseudo-relationships. I see it all the time. People retire or lose jobs for whatever reason and they fall apart - having plenty of money in the bank makes no difference. They become depressed and drunks. All the expensive anti-depressants in the World don't make up for being lonely. (Depression is a symptom; not an illness)

    The people who have plenty of outside meaningful (to them) activities with other people do well.

    Well, I think there is a balance....

    Don't get me wrong, having a good group of REAL friends, ones you actually get together with in meatspace are important.

    However, I don't know if it is a recent thing, or maybe just a problem with some people, but you should also not be afraid of being alone for extended periods of time. Having some time alone and being able to enjoy it is important too.

    Solitude is not the worst thing in the world, it allows you to contemplate things in your life, to get your thoughts together and enjoy pure 101% 'me' time, you know?

    I think this balance is just as important, and I don't understand why some people can't deal with any form of solitude for greater than 30 min???

    To me, it is inherit to my personality that I enjoy periods of solitude, but is it perhaps a learned behavior?

    It is great to have a healthy group of folks around, you...I'm blessed to have a large number of real friends, people I trust with keys to my house...but you shouldn't need to be around someone 25/7/365.

    Learn to deal with and enjoy being alone too.

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  25. You're the one projecting & no proof... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're projecting & no proof: I have product others like & use (but I give it away freely) https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... - you don't.

    APK

    P.S.=> I gave you the chance to prove otherwise/prove me wrong - you FAIL, lol (like you obviously do in ALL things in life)... apk

  26. Impersonating me? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell us of your MILLION$ (of lies) "phantasies" https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

    * You admit IMPERSONATING ME https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... + STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous!

    APK

    P.S.=> You impersonating me proves you wish you were me & imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - but you = poor imitation. Your STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous proves you FEAR me also... apk

  27. Re: Impersonating me? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have $50 million? Prove it by sending 50 Bitcoins to 17Yvsma9tfiuqVP7QhsFE2VmsFpTEMy17P.

    kthxbye.

  28. Re: And TRUMP Will Depart Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you lock him up? Use your brain. Look at the outcome and not what CNN says.

  29. Don't speak for me moron... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't speak for me moron: It's bad enough you ADMIT you impersonate me doing so bogusly on YOUR part https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... as well as UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous STALKING me you're doing now.

    * I do work @ year's end typically (when IT budgets are being burned, lol) on contract OR consulting gigs (IF the money's right & I am interested in the project itself).

    SO you are WRONG as wrong gets as USUAL for you (especially regarding me).

    Downpayment? I was offered 120k for my property by my tenant's BROTHER not even a week ago (he just got a lawsuit he collected is why) who lives in another property of mine no less (so much for 'shitty' as you call my place - a something YOU DON'T HAVE obviously in a home of your own (let ALONE paid off in FULL as mine is)).

    APK

    P.S.=> I see you're also PROJECTING you live in a hovel somewhere (of course, I welcome you to PROVE otherwise via facts, not your bs you spew (which nobody can believe from you))... apk

  30. Ah, the "SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /." appears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, the "SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /." appears w/ his CRY of the "ne'er-do-well" in "NPD" (losers shriek it if confronted w/ superiors like ME).

    * Get a spine & GET A LIFE, loser....

    (... & get over your DELUSIONS of GRANDEUR you're actually QUALIFIED to issue ANY type of "prognosis" wannabe shrink you are...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Care to show us your license to practice psychiatric sciences & degrees that go w/ it? Oh, you DON'T HAVE EITHER OF THEM (let alone a FORMAL diagnosis of myself done in a professional psychiatric environs)?? I knew not - go away, freak... apk

    1. Re: Ah, the "SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk of /." appears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, because of you, the over use of "ne'er do well" has been added as a symptom of mental health disorders.

  31. Re:At 59? I'd have been out sooner by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Yes and no. Work can be a substitute for a social life, but on the other hand work is a major time consumer and source of stress. For me, I just don't have time for many outside interests while working full time. And the longer I go at work the more stressed out I get, so I can only imagine that retirement would be good for my health. However I won't necessarily have the money to retire anytime soon and may find myself still working part time just to make ends meet.

  32. Re: Impersonating me? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course you're feared, you're a fucking psychopath. No doubt, you'll be killed in some sort of standoff with the police.

  33. You certainly do... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: As you STALK me via your UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts (who's the psycho?) constantly. I get along w/ police phenomenally (especially in my older years). They're my paid employees & are necessary. They do a good job for me 9/10x.

    * You've got it ALL wrong as usual...

    (You don't even KNOW me - "WHO WOULD A POOR MAN, A BEGGAR MAN, A THIEF, IF HE HAD A RICHMAN IN HIS HAND, & WHO WOULD STEAL THE CANDY FROM A LAUGHIN BABY'S MOUTH, WHEN HE COULD TAKE IT FROM THE MONEYMAN...???")

    APK

    P.S.=> What I know is that I am about to "tune-in" to a CLASSIC tune by Jethro Tull in "CROSS-EYED MARY" https://www.youtube.com/watch?... (lol, the way it begins "Mary?" is NOT this tune IF you've never heard it, & it's been 33++ yrs. for me - puts mental seatbelts on, it's blastoff on this post to you & that tune...) apk

  34. U should thank me... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I allow you to expend the obvious frustrations of YOUR mental "delicate condition" on me (vs. others), you "ne'er-do-well" & I bet next to its defintion YOUR photo appears, lol....

    * :)

    Now, do yourself a favor & TUNE IN to a classic (ah, like being @ home in my F'd up CITY listening to it) called "CROSS-EYED MARY" by Jethro Tull https://www.youtube.com/watch?... )

    APK

    P.S.=> ""WHO WOULD BE A POOR MAN, A BEGGAR MAN, A THIEF, IF HE HAD A RICHMAN IN HIS HAND? ... & WHO WOULD STEAL THE CANDY FROM A LAUGHIN BABY'S MOUTH, WHEN HE COULD TAKE IT FROM THE MONEYMAN...???" apk

  35. You'd know as an inmate yourself (lol)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject (lmao): A COUPLE roomies of mine over time HAVE been totally "StRaNgE" (2 I tolerated, well 3 - they had issues of immense proportions I can't even BEGIN to want to expose (real dirty side of humanity type stuff, use your imagination)). Most are good dudes, some doing what I do now (landlords) even, very good to see.

    APK

    P.S.=> Comes w/ the territory but VERY interesting (even the freaks, perhaps ESPECIALLY they, as you learn by them to "id" their kind) & NOW? It's back to that tune I told you to turn on to https://www.youtube.com/watch?... in all the other recent AC posts I replied to, all YOU of course, time gives that away (welcome to MY neighborhood, lol) & not that THAT matters: "I'm not a product of MY environment - MY ENVIRONMENT's ALWAYS a product of ME -> https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... in ANY environs on a PC now (BSD ver done, MacOSX soon)... PK

  36. They lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Siri has never been as good as Google Now/Assistant either in response rate or quality of content. The former was apparent even on much older and less powerful Android phones compared to an iPhone. This has been the way of things for several years now.
    Alexa, dispite its couple of years of attention in the media is no better.
    You can't catch up to Google, with it's database of information that dwarfs all of the competitors. It's industry leading AI in the voice recognition and synthesis areas can be beaten, but it's still way out in the lead and distancing itself from the pack.