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Rome's Subway Expansion Reveals Artifacts From The Ancient Past (npr.org)

All roads may lead to Rome, but once you get there, good luck taking the subway. The sprawling metropolis is expanding its mass transit system -- a sluggish process made even slower as workers keep running into buried ancient ruins. From a report: "I found some gold rings. I found glasswork laminated in gold depicting a Roman god, some amphoras," says Gilberto Pagani, a bulldozer operator at the Amba Aradam metro stop, currently under construction not far from the Colosseum. Pagani is part of an archaeological team at the site, a certified archaeological construction worker trained to excavate, preserve and build in cities like Rome, with thousands of years of civilization buried beneath the surface. The presence of ancient artifacts underground is a daunting challenge for urban developers. For archaeologists, it's the opportunity of a lifetime. "I think it's the luckiest thing that's ever happened to me, professionally speaking," says Simona Morretta, the state archaeologist in charge of the Amba Aradam site. "Because you never get the chance in a regular excavation to dig so deep. That's how we've found architectural complexes as important as this."

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  1. Jewish God over a divine temple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All roads may lead to Jerusalem, but once you get there, good luck taking the subway.

    1. Re: Jewish God over a divine temple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Walk until they start speaking Italian, then keep walking until they speak something else.

  2. Work arounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's such a big deal either elevate the railway so that the only disturbed earth is the piers or TBM it below the lowest layer of possible archeological importance so that the only areas of issue are the access shafts. Another option might be to clear the surface of the routes well in advance, give a team of archeologists a few excavators and a year or two to find what they can while engineers and planners are designing the cars/rails/stations and when the construction crews are finally brought in they are told to mow through everything like it was simple dirt/debris.

    1. Re:Work arounds by omnichad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't think everyone's treating this as a problem to be solved. Maybe not even most people. I'm sure a lot of people take it as a matter of national pride that they have so much advanced civilization buried beneath their feet and love that it is being preserved.

    2. Re:Work arounds by quantaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think everyone's treating this as a problem to be solved. Maybe not even most people. I'm sure a lot of people take it as a matter of national pride that they have so much advanced civilization buried beneath their feet and love that it is being preserved.

      It's an opportunity more than a problem.

      Most time when you build a tunnel for a subway all you get out of it is a big hole.

      Rome is getting a bunch of ancient artifacts out of the deal, and all it costs them is a longer schedule and the associated costs.

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    3. Re:Work arounds by greenbird · · Score: 1

      I was recently in Rome and the primary thing I got was the locals lamenting the crumbling infrastructure including the decaying and inadequate public transportation. One running joke was be careful taking the bus since they tend to spontaneously combust. Although I'm sure there was a certain pride in living in the Eternal City and desire for preserving that history, trying to survive day to day tends to take priority over that.

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    4. Re:Work arounds by Brandano · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I live in Rome.
      It may be an opportunity.... but we have literally hundreds of thousands of similar opportunities all over the place. and while I agree that these are precious artefacts that ought to be studied and made available to the public to be seen, the truth is that there's no funding for that, and so they mostly get buried back to preserve them. This while the infrastructure works are delayed for decades, to nobody's advantage. I mean, it's Rome. There's bound to be Roman artefacts, since Romans have lived here for the past few thousands of years.

    5. Re:Work arounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No one is forced to live in a particular city. If one wants to live in the (gorgeous) open-air museum that Rome is, but cannot afford to live in the central part of the city, he must take into account that daily commuting will take a little longer than usual, because the subway network cannot be - and will never be - as dense as in other cities. Surely in San Francisco, Berlin or Tokyo you can commute faster, but you also cannot see the Colosseum, the Trevi Fountain or Piazza di Spagna. Different people have different priorities and will decide where they want to live accordingly.

    6. Re:Work arounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It depends on the locals you ask to. Surely those who live in the suburbs and need daily commuting might be pissed off, but I can hardly imagine the wealthy people who live close to the Trevi Fountain complaining about public transportation, let alone preferring to level down the fountain itself to get a new subway station.

    7. Re:Work arounds by quantaman · · Score: 2

      I live in Rome.
      It may be an opportunity.... but we have literally hundreds of thousands of similar opportunities all over the place. and while I agree that these are precious artefacts that ought to be studied and made available to the public to be seen, the truth is that there's no funding for that, and so they mostly get buried back to preserve them. This while the infrastructure works are delayed for decades, to nobody's advantage. I mean, it's Rome. There's bound to be Roman artefacts, since Romans have lived here for the past few thousands of years.

      Yeah, ideally the archaeologists would get some additional funding so they could help compensate for the increased construction costs though that doesn't really work politically.

      Which reminds me, I was originally gonna write "priceless artifacts" in my original post but then I thought better of it, turns out with good reason.

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    8. Re:Work arounds by dargaud · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I used to live in Rome too. I worked in a crumbling laboratory. When we finally did get money to build a new one, we did and it was great, then at the end of construction the road was built... and hit a Roman villa and cisterns. It delayed the opening of the new lab by 5 years, while the old one crumbled completely. When we finally moved into the new one, everything had been stolen inside: toilets, doors, windows, ceiling tiles, even entire floors... Back to square one.

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    9. Re:Work arounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is forced to live in a particular city. If one wants to live in the (gorgeous) open-air museum that Rome is, but cannot afford to live in the central part of the city, he must take into account that daily commuting will take a little longer than usual, because the subway network cannot be - and will never be - as dense as in other cities. Surely in San Francisco, Berlin or Tokyo you can commute faster, but you also cannot see the Colosseum, the Trevi Fountain or Piazza di Spagna. Different people have different priorities and will decide where they want to live accordingly.

      Saying is easy. If the move is simply taking your stuff out of the place, then it is what you said. However, moving from one place to the other has its own cost and problems.

      How could you move your stuff? Where will you be after moving? How much does it cost to move/store your stuff? How is the job situation? Those are only some questions out of many. Not everyone is at the same financial and knowledge level. What you said is like an ignorant person who thinks everyone is capable of anything. Good for you that you can, but please stop expecting/imposing that everyone else also can.

    10. Re:Work arounds by fuzzywig · · Score: 1
      "Most time when you build a tunnel for a subway all you get out of it is a big hole." Not so much, most times when you dig a tunnel you get archaeology (as well as a hole). Eg, London, Amsterdam, Mexico City. LA etc..

      It's almost harder to find a metro/subway/underground tunnel that didn't find interesting archaeology, provided that archaeologists were allowed in.

      Just hope that your new subway project doesn't run into an old plague pit.

    11. Re:Work arounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, what's the alternative? Leveling down the Colosseum, the Forum, the Trevi Fountain, Piazza di Spagna, and thousands of Renaissance, Baroque and Neoclassic buildings, only to make public transportation more efficient? That would be the actual definition of "ignorant", even from an economic perspective.

    12. Re:Work arounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as cost overruns and delays, why, heck, this is Italy and they would happen anyway, artifacts or not.

    13. Re:Work arounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assure you that any Roman, like me, whether living in the city centre or the suburbs, would be killed rather than allowed to destroy the Trevi Fountain.

  3. Rome wasn't built in a day by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Funny

    And now we have the proof.

    1. Re: Rome wasn't built in a day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now we have the proof.

      Really? What proof do we now have?

  4. Hardly surprising by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd bet that in Rome you cannot dig anywhere without stumbling on some archaeological finding.

    1. Re:Hardly surprising by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd bet that in Rome you cannot dig anywhere without stumbling on some archaeological finding.

      What was garbage, obsolete rubble, or misplaced trinkets millenia ago is now valuable information about lost or corrupted history.

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    2. Re:Hardly surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That happen in a lot of European cities, where I live it was supposed a 2000 year city due to the archeological registry but a excavation in a construction workplace for a subterranean parking had added another 1000 years more and possibly the location of a lost city.

    3. Re:Hardly surprising by mikael · · Score: 2

      It's like that in a lot of cities. I once went on one of Edinburgh's Ghost Tours". Mostly it was walking around what are technically the foundation levels of old buildings. But the architects had actually built up an entire level street over several valleys. So they had excavated the old topsoil and dug out hundreds of thousands of stone blocks to make arches, then built a road on top of what were now basement levels. This also helped to preserve old monuments like the original village road and well, which were now about 10 meters underground.

      Paris have the catacombs which were done on a similar basic. They needed stone for buildings and they needed basements. By carving out the stones from the bedrock they make the basements and use the blocks for building. Then all those basements start end up expanding into tunnels and then an entire network.

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    4. Re:Hardly surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not with the same frequency as in Rome. You can name one, two, maybe three archeological sites for every major city in the european continent. In Rome, you can basically name one per every street.

    5. Re:Hardly surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's like that in a lot of cities.... Edinburgh... Paris...

      Not really, not at the same massive frequency as in Rome. There can be more archeological findings in a single Roman square than in all of Paris and Edinburgh put together. That's really not the same thing.

    6. Re:Hardly surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd bet that in Rome you cannot dig anywhere without stumbling on some archaeological finding.

      Against whom?

  5. In 2000 years. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In about 2000 years archaeological robots will be digging through the ruins of a federal prison and they'll uncover Donald TRUMP's bones!

  6. Yeah, Cato the callow. Carthage Must be Destroyed by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    In about 2000 years archaeological robots will be digging through the ruins of a federal prison and they'll uncover Donald TRUMP's bones!

    Yeah, yeah, Cato the Callow. And Carthage Must be Destroyed, too. Oh, wait: It WAS. By Rome, even.

    No matter what your professors told you, it wasn't Cato the Elder's incessant injection of flamage of Carthage into discussions of unrelated subjects in his (the original) forum that did them in. It was their behavior the next time Rome and Carthage were having a military-grade spat, which made the Roman general go postalk on them.

    But please DO keep being even more annoying than your historical model. It makes both you, and everyone on your side, look deranged, and hurts your cause. B-)

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  7. This is actually by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Very, very cool.

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  8. Re: Yeah, Cato the callow. Carthage Must be Destr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The battle of Carthage was a massacre.

  9. This is a usual problem in Italy. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Especially historically significant places like Florence and ... well, just about everywhere. You can't uproot a weed without discovering some ancient piece of aqueduct or something. The Italians are pretty unnerved about this. The piazza de la signioria in Florence was dug up for a few years back in the early 90ies. Everyone was relieved when they finally closed it up again.

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    1. Re:This is a usual problem in Italy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Italians are pretty unnerved about this.

      I'm Italian, and I know no one being "unnerved" by our archeological treasures. It's actually something to be proud of, rather than a "problem". It's also profitable in the long term, thanks to tourism revenues. Maybe only construction companies are pissed off, because they thankfully cannot ruin the landscape and speculate as they would like to.

  10. It's a matter of balance by aglider · · Score: 2

    You could destroy anything you find in the name of the future.
    You could save anything you find in the name of the past.
    Or you could find some balance in between in the name of the present.

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  11. This happens all the time in Europe by Pollux · · Score: 1

    When I was in college, I did a semester abroad trip to Greece and Italy. One of the Greek guides explained that contractors dig up ruins all the time in Athens; it's impossible to dig a metro line without it happening. (Here's one example of a metro line running right through ruins of Ancient Athens.)

    The guide told us that Greek law requires that contractors notify the Ministry of Culture immediately when ruins are found. They then come out, inspect the site, and after a couple years, either give the contractor a waver to remove the ruins or provide them an alternative plan for building around them. Contractors will often collect the ruins they find and keep them at their private residences, because it takes way too much time to let the Ministry of Culture to have their way.

    1. Re:This happens all the time in Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what happens when fanatics and the state join hands. Individuals no longer respecting unlawfully laws.

  12. What's it called? Monorail! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Clearly, Rome should never have built a subway in the first place. If they had built an above-ground monorail, this problem would not be happening. Plus, Rome would finally be put on the map just like Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook. Just think of the tourism dollars.

    1. Re:What's it called? Monorail! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      A monorail in front of the Vatican would look cool, just like Disneyland. Just think of the tourism dollars. Not.

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    2. Re:What's it called? Monorail! by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Springfield.

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  13. Mobile phone adoption in Rome was fast by seoras · · Score: 1

    I heard, back in the late 90's when mobile phones were just becoming common place, that in Rome they were selling like hot cakes.
    Trying to lay wiring in that city was the reason given.
    Every time they stick a spade in the ground they find something ancient and all work stops while the archeologists move in.
    So getting a new land line was tricky. Wireless provide to be the solution for the modern day Romans.
    I would think the ancient sewers of Rome would mitigate some what the need to tunnel for wiring.
    Not much help for subways though.

    1. Re:Mobile phone adoption in Rome was fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When i went to Rome in 2016 you couldn't get a SIM card without having an Italian address.

      Amazing city.

  14. Re: Yeah, Cato the callow. Carthage Must be Destr by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    The battle of Carthage was a massacre.

    Sure was.

    What part of "... the Roman general going postal[k] on them." don't you get? I'd think it was clear even with the typo.

    1. Lay siege to Carthage - intending to do the usual thing of annexing them and ending up with them as a new province, religious freedom and all.
    2. The Carthaginians' priests declare that the people have angered their god and a sacrifice is needed to make the Romans go away.
    3. The people are convinced and a sacrifice is made. Their god happens to be Molloch, so they round up all the babies and toss them in the idol's fire.
    4. The smog from this blows over to the Roman positions. The general, who knows how their religion works, gets a whiff.
    5. The general goes ballistic. No baby-burning fanatics are going to be merged into the Roman Empire on HIS watch.
    6. The Romans level the city, kill every adult they can get their hands on (or a sword or spear into), tear up the surrounding countryside, and sew salt on it so that Carthage will never rise again.
    7. No profit for Carthage, from then on.

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  15. A good quote... by fraxinus-tree · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'll try to translate: The construction of the Rome's subway is halted because of archaeology research. Tools from the era when the subway construction started are found in the borehole.

  16. Re: Yeah, Cato the callow. Carthage Must be Destr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is plenty of evidence that there was no such god as âoemolochâ to the Carthegenians, but that rather âoemolochâ was the name of the sacrificial ritual of burning a sacrifice ( including human sacrifices) in a tophet (fire pit).