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Is Facebook Ignoring Our Humanity? (qz.com)

"Facebook really is evil," writes Quartz reporter Nikhil Sonnad. "Not on purpose. In the banal kind of way. Underlying all of Facebook's screw-ups is a bumbling obliviousness to real humans..." An anonymous reader quotes Sonnad's essay: The imperative to "connect people" lacks the one ingredient essential for being a good citizen: Treating individual human beings as sacrosanct. To Facebook, the world is not made up of individuals, but of connections between them. The billions of Facebook accounts belong not to "people" but to "users," collections of data points connected to other collections of data points on a vast Social Network, to be targeted and monetized by computer programs.

There are certain things you do not in good conscience do to humans. To data, you can do whatever you like.... With Facebook, "life is turned into a database," writes technologist Jaron Lanier in his 2010 book You Are Not a Gadget... Silicon Valley culture has come to accept as certain, Lanier writes, that "all of reality, including humans, is one big information system".... The problem, says Lanier, is that there is nothing special about humans in this information system. Every data point is treated equally, irrespective of how humans experience it.
The essay argues Facebook's value system "has diverged from that of the rest of society," adding that Facebook "seems to be blind to the possibility that it could be used for ill."

Facebook needs to "check their instinctive technological optimism against the realities of human life. Absent human considerations, Facebook will continue to bring thoughtless, banal harm to the world."

117 comments

  1. Yes by Tough+Love · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mark Zuckerberg is a cylon.

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    1. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mark Zuckerberg is a cylon.

      Cmon don't be mean! a cylon would be far more frank and just blow shit up rather than undermine societies value systems and politics from the inside out like a rotten apple. Captcha: menace!

    2. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      needs some Cylon-B aerosol therapy

    3. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got this reference, Adolf.

    4. Re:Yes by mikael · · Score: 2
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    5. Re:Yes by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I want to point out that your single sentence contains more interest and wit than the entire article put together. It reads like someone was given the school assignment "Why Facebook is bad" and quickly devolves into talking about Nazis.

      I can happily agree that Zuckerburg is not a good person, but your single sentence makes that point more convincingly than the author does. The author needs to go read some Shakespeare or something.

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    6. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The purpose of Fakebook has NEVER been to connect people, but to collect people's personal private data so that it could be sold for a profit!

    7. Re:Yes by antdude · · Score: 1

      Frak that toaster!

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    8. Re:Yes by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Facebook is bad because it purposefully drives empty digital interactions to feed empty approval for adhering to corporate marketing approved mass consumption means (the government of China basically copied Facebook https://www.bbc.com/news/world..., seriously basically the core of Facebook). It could be likened to a purposeful psychological disease, a corrupt infection of socio-political norms, to feed insatiable psychopathic greed, with a level indifference to the harm caused and to take that one step further, actually getting a pychopathic kick out of the harm they are causing to society, a mass trolling of social norms to cripple human social interaction and addict the to the platform. People turning themselves into digital slaves.

      Honestly stop using facebook, stop advertising on facebook, stop supporting facebook, do not link to facebook, turn it into a corporate dead end marketing hole. Probably need to go one step further and start calling people hooked to facebook digital slaves, so 'Hi eSlave' becomes the greeting to a lame loser Facebook addict.

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    9. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mark Zuckerberg is a cylon.

      Last I checked, cylons have breasts.

    10. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So say we all!

    11. Re: Yes by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Suddenly everyone cares about social norms.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    12. Re:Yes by Excelcia · · Score: 1

      Funny, but it's not an inapt assessment. Cylons were, at least in the reboot, AI robots that turned on their creator. Facebook is essentially the same thing. Not AI, of course, but something that has a momentum all its own.

      The thing is, at this point, anyone who uses Facebook deserves what they get. It has been revealed time and time again as the sewer of society. A cesspit of extortion, racketeering, and organized social manipulation. Why we are even still discussing it is really beyond me. It needs to be put out of our misery.

    13. Re: Yes by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Donâ(TM)t be silly. The purpose of Facebook was so hot girls would send a bunch of college dudes pictures.

      LATER a suit came along and realised the bycatch Facebook had turned up in their trawl was valuable.

    14. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Now the police dreams that one look at the gigantic map on the office wall should suffice at any given moment to establish who is related to whom and in what degree of intimacy; and, theoretically, this dream is not unrealizable although its technical execution is bound to be somewhat difficult. If this map really did exist, not even memory would stand in the way of the totalitarian claim to domination; such a map might make it possible to obliterate people without any traces, as if they had never existed at all.

      -- Hannah Arendt, "The Origins of Totalitarianism"

      Actually read that book, as well as "Eichmann in Jerusalem". It sorely shows how little people actually *know* about the stuff they want to quell discussions on.

    15. Re: Yes by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      What does Battlestar Galactica have to do with Coors beer?

    16. Re: Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of course.. facebook helped the 'wrong' person get the presidency so now we're seeing all this negative coverage about it. Not that much of it isn't valid, it's just that the media looked the other way as long as it was assumed that the platform would help the 'right' person into office.

  2. Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by oic0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe our modern society places too much emphasis on the individual. Maybe that's why we have a society full of selfish pricks who all think they're the center of the universe.

    1. Re:Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you, friendo!

    2. Re: Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, you arenâ(TM)t the center of anyoneâ(TM)s universe

    3. Re: Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop using apostrophes. No one can read that garbage.

    4. Re:Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by asackett · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Our modern society cannot emphasize anything but the individual because capitalism makes losers of those who try to focus upon community.

      Making America a Giant Asshole, one billionaire at a time...

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    5. Re:Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silicon Valley does not emphasize the collective as opposed to the individual. Silicon Valley emphasizes the individual who's got most money because of a successful con. Silicon Valley is trying to build the epitome of a non-competitive and inefficient economy - a market with perfectly asymmetrical information, where the consumer surplus and the producer surplus is taken by the advertisement broker.

      It is the wet dream of the selfish pricks.

      And you, Sir, are an idiot.

    6. Re:Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modern society is full of people who refuse to take personal responsibility for their actions. These people blame all the problems the face on somebody else. They believe being able to use Facebook and Twitter should count as a technical skill. They claim their citizens rights are being violated every time someone disagrees with their position on just about every topic. The same people who whine endlessly about the government then turn around and ask for more government regulation and intervention of their lives.

      Facebook is just a bit player in the decline of today's society. It is the people who have abandoned rationality, consensus , honesty, and basic civility. The Internet has turned into the perfect tool to placate and manipulate the masses. And it is ironic that the mad rush and hair pulling to protect a persons anonymity has conditioned people to believe anything uttered or published by an anonymous source as long as that anonymous source agrees with their particular world view.

    7. Re:Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Let's be honest, our modern society doesn't place emphasis on the individual. That was the entire point of a scene in Fight Club, calculating the marginal suffering required before a recall happens. Same thing goes with insurance, and actually it's impossible to run a country of 300million people while treating them as individuals.

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    8. Re: Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I doubt that very much. If that were the case, no one would volunteer as it provides no social capital, but we recognize and discuss philanthropic activities all the time. A good chunk of Facebook posts are people trying to convince other people how good they are for caring about some cause. Facebook and social media make it easy to look like you care about community without actually caring about it. Look at the Kony 2012 slacktivism campaign for a good example of this in action.

      That and if you look at the parts of the world that disallow capitalism or free market principles, it does not appear to me as though they are acting much different or have somehow come together as a community on a large scale. I think it would be a bit of a stretch to lay this at the feet of capitalism, especial as the youth in the west are becoming more socialistic in political belief (see Bernie Sanders rise to popularity) but are not engaging in community-focused behavior either. If you think that the problem is getting worse and countries like the U.S. are becoming less capitalistic, it suggests that the two things are not strongly connected, at least to the extent that you want to suggest.

    9. Re:Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe our modern society places too much emphasis on the individual. Maybe that's why we have a society full of selfish pricks who all think they're the center of the universe.

      An individual self could be a good goal for human existence. Anything else is closer to drinking the kool-aid. You can have this individual self without being a major league asshole.

      Facebook is more like a melanoma on the human species because all you can upload is a pseudo self. In fact you have no choice. You are sucked up anyways. Because fuck you.

    10. Re:Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that it is Silicon Valley that is full of the selfish pricks who think they are the center of the universe (raw water, anyone), not the rest of the world.

      Who else refers to themselves as 'alphas', 'rockstars', 'super heroes', 'brogrammers' etc.?

      You are raging egomaniacs who also happen to be greedy sociopaths who have absolutely no problem with effing over your users for money.

    11. Re:Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and 'post-modern' societies can't handle the fact that individualism does matter. They're too interested in conforming individual initiative which inevitably destroys it. Equality of outcome is not equitable.

    12. Re:Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, communism doesn't work, either. Forcing conformity in increasingly smaller life minutiae is simply sloth on the part of the authorities.

  3. Define "harm" by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why do I get the idea that the word "harm" actually means "political ideas I disagree with and believe should be censored"? (reads essay: keywords, Trump, TEH ROOSHINS, Nazis) Yup. Pretty much this.

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    1. Re: Define "harm" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because your political ideas support tyranny, oppression and subjugation?

      I mean, really, do you want us to hug your dictatorship till you learn prove yourself?

    2. Re: Define "harm" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      till you learn prove yourself?

      Found the Russian troll.

    3. Re:Define "harm" by OYAHHH · · Score: 1

      Really, Are you so chickenshit you have to post as AC? I thought so.

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    4. Re:Define "harm" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TDS. It is out there, eating into the loser's mind. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until there are loser minds. Sadly, one of these is born every minute.

    5. Re:Define "harm" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because you're too lazy to RTFA and instead feel the need to knee-jerk your way through your sad, angry life.

    6. Re: Define "harm" by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I believe gay married couples should be able to own guns to protect their marijuana plants. Tyranny?

      Our goal in defeating Hillary was to remove the left's hand from our throat, not to put our hand around blue peoples' collective windpipe. We don't care how they live their lives, but leftists care very much how we live ours. Their goal is to lock both hands around our throat and squeeze until we submit to leftist tyranny or die.

      We know where the leftists want it to end, with us silenced and subservient forever, toiling to pay taxes for them to redistribute to their clients as they pick at, poke at and torment us. You look at the things we stand for and all of them are about lifting the yoke off of us - cutting taxes, slashing regulations, guaranteeing the Second Amendment, protecting our religious liberty, and safeguarding us from terrorists and illegals. But everything leftists want, everything Hillary ran on, is about clamping the yoke ever tighter around our necks - raising taxes, issuing more regulations, disarming us, limiting our religious freedom, and putting us at risk from terrorists and alien criminals. The whole leftist platform is about putting us down and keeping us down.

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    7. Re:Define "harm" by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      And if you call the police after me, I'll always invoke my first amendment right, my God given right to express my opinion, plain and simple.

      You don't have a right to force people to listen.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    8. Re: Define "harm" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...not to put our hand around blue peoples' collective windpipe.

      Well the hands are around all of our throats now, so thanks for that.

      cutting taxes,

      And then needing more tax money to subsidize the industries hurting from his tariffs.

      guaranteeing the Second Amendment

      "I like taking the guns early, like in the crazy man's case... take the guns first, go through due process second." - President Donald Trump

      ...safeguarding us from terrorists and illegals.

      lol yeah, ICE is gonna molest the terrorist tendencies out of all of those underage kids. Brilliant.

    9. Re: Define "harm" by Stomper_Stoddard · · Score: 0

      Our goal in defeating Hillary was to remove the left's hand from our throat, not to put our hand around blue peoples' collective windpipe. We don't care how they live their lives, but leftists care very much how we live ours.

      Unless you are a woman who wants an abortion, or a gay couple who wants to get married, or an atheist who does not say "Merry Christmas", or don't think crazy people should be allowed to own guns. Shall I go on or have I proven my point?

    10. Re: Define "harm" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe gay married couples should be able to own guns to protect their marijuana plants. Tyranny?

      No you don't believe in that at all. Remember your posts decrying Obergefeld v. Hodges and cheering on Kim Davis and Roy Moore?

      Our goal in defeating Hillary was to remove the left's hand from our throat, not to put our hand around blue peoples' collective windpipe. We don't care how they live their lives, but leftists care very much how we live ours. Their goal is to lock both hands around our throat and squeeze until we submit to leftist tyranny or die.

      LOL, you claim to hate your dreaded bogeywoman of Hillary, then embrace the repugnant corrupt dictatorship of Donald Trump whose administration is so incompetent it literally embraced child exploitation in order to do what? Give us the freedom to be used as sex toys?

      We know where the leftists want it to end, with us silenced and subservient forever, toiling to pay taxes for them to redistribute to their clients as they pick at, poke at and torment us. You look at the things we stand for and all of them are about lifting the yoke off of us - cutting taxes, slashing regulations, guaranteeing the Second Amendment, protecting our religious liberty, and safeguarding us from terrorists and illegals.

      Yes, that's right, protecting us from your bigotry in the name of religion, ensuring that government functions without endless debt, and not using the power of the state to oppress the innocent and free individuals, but instead stopping the massive corporate oligarchs from ruthlessly despoiling the land, abusing the workers, and saving us from your favorite so-called patriotic militias.

      But everything leftists want, everything Hillary ran on, is about clamping the yoke ever tighter around our necks - raising taxes, issuing more regulations, disarming us, limiting our religious freedom, and putting us at risk from terrorists and alien criminals. The whole leftist platform is about putting us down and keeping us down.

      And that is why you must crush then under your jackbooted heel, they are the enemy and nothing else matters. Not all the corruption. Not all the suffering children. Not all the lying incompetence. Not even selling out to a foreign power.

      It is all beneath your notice. Anything to destroy the heretical demon Hillary. Who you still sincerely believe is responsible for all that ails you.

    11. Re: Define "harm" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot forcing people to stand at the National Anthem or be executed in the streets.

    12. Re:Define "harm" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      It doesn't make him wrong. There are a lot of sociopaths out there and it's getting worse. Look who America is now modelling their lives and aspirations after.

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    13. Re: Define "harm" by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      We need the bathroom...Tommy shit himself again.

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    14. Re: Define "harm" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Tenancy Deposit Scheme?

    15. Re:Define "harm" by DethLok · · Score: 1

      " Look who America is now modelling their lives and aspirations after."

      Nazis?

    16. Re:Define "harm" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which says nothing about your article, and a lot about your unwillingness to discuss these issues.

    17. Re:Define "harm" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People warned about key elements of Nazis becoming part of the wider western world since the middle of the 20th century. You know, narcissism for example, alienation, the habit of making people stateless, or depriving them of basic rights. The obsession with numbers and statistics is something I recall from a particular author. And of course, "just following orders" and "automatization and central control without human involvement" also very closely related to each other. Even a child could see that.

      But nooooo, can't talk about any of that, not seriously and not using sources of any of the authors you couldn't even tie the shoelaces of. During and after the Nazis (and Stalin) a lot of people simply couldn't NOT explore these questions, and ask hard questions about the directions we're going in. You haven't the faintest idea how relevant that stuff is *because* the warnings were justified and you successfully and proudly isolate yourself from finding out, reading anything "boring", instead playing fucking crayon police.

      It's progressed so far now, that instead of actually reading the article and discussing it seriously, you pre-emptively reduce it to such a yes-no question just to say "see? nothing to discuss here." You are being lazy and anti-intellectual, there is a lot to discuss here... you're just ignorant of it, and wish to enforce that in others. You can sit down and read, or go and get fucked.

  4. And modern consumerism was doing better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Or maybe it was war-torn feudalism or imperialism that is ethically superior?

    1. Re:And modern consumerism was doing better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook is a tool of imperialism. It is another part of the battle for the hearts and minds, like Hollywood and the Iraqi war coverage.

  5. Facebook doesn't ignore by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 2

    Female nipples. Or ass.

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    1. Re:Facebook doesn't ignore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pay attention to them, too. Many of these are delicious.

  6. Still no Facebook account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no Facebook or other social media account.

    Don't need it. Don't want it. Try it yourself. You'll be happier.

    1. Re:Still no Facebook account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know who's the most tedious -- Mark Zuckerberg, Jaron Lanier, or you.

    2. Re:Still no Facebook account by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I'll bet the author of the article finished writing, and immediately went to check her Facebook. If the writing feels insincere, it probably is insincere.

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  7. Mandatory ... by thrillseeker · · Score: 2

    "Oh, the humanity." (insert scene of airship crashing...)

  8. Oh the humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously though why so many Facebook stories?

    1. Re:Oh the humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To give us a brief distraction from all the Tesla stories, of course.

    2. Re: Oh the humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has bitcoin hit a new low lately?

  9. you are the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but are you human? Do fake accounts make facebook any money? Is the -20% market cap the same as when twitter lost -20% market cap after getting rid of fake accounts?

  10. Facebook is messed up, because of humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook is messed up because of humans. Facebook could care less about anything but keeping user interested enough to feed the data to Facebook to sell it as a commodity. Without users as a commodity Facebook is done.

    1. Re:Facebook is messed up, because of humans by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Humans were always fucked up, that much is true. But Facebook amplifies it by giving it a global showcase. When I was a kid, if someone took a picture of me naked it was easy for 20 people to see it. Social networking makes it easier for 20,000 people to see it.

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  11. But it allows fake experts in many fields! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, Facebook provides an advertising and networking platform for fake experts in real fields, and "real" experts in fake fields. Astroology, cryystal healing, scientology, and my personal favorite right now, the "Center for Self Leadership". That's right: this fake "psychotherapy" organization charges $1300 for a weekend seminar but spews, at the same time how "training means nothing" and provides no certification, no evaluation of its students, and encourages them to commit fraud on their suckers by practicing "psycherapy" with no verifiable training, no degree, no clinical experience, and a willingness to commit fraud by explaining to their victims how to spend their "FSA" medical funds on these bozos. I've encountered 3 of them in the last few years, and they *all* do most of their advertising on Facebook.

    Frankly, I'd prefer Scientologists: at least they've been convicted more times so it's easier to expose them. But these bozos.... well, they're engaged in the same "pretend you're trained, make stuff up to profit yourself, and spew really bad regurgitated split personality theories from 100 years ago into your victims brains".

  12. This is easy to answer by Pollux · · Score: 5, Informative

    Facebook is a corporation. They care about money.

    Our humanity? Only as far as it makes them money.

    Ethics? Only the minimum necessary to keep making money.

    1. Re:This is easy to answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook is a corporation, yes. However it is run by people, including Fuckerberg, who already have more money than they know what to do with. Those individuals, who are making the decisions, DON'T care about money anymore.

      They care about power, and control.

      If you ever wonder why a company seems to be doing things that will cost it money, please consider that the individuals running it might have other goals than money.

    2. Re:This is easy to answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the best part about facebook is when people organize facebook groups to take on environmental issues. they are too dumb to realize that all facebook data centers combined use more electricity than many small countries. if you care about the environment stop using facebook and all cloud services.

  13. Slow news day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How the hell is this "news for nerds"? Nerds already know this crap.

    What's next? "McDonald's: cheap and fast but ordinary"

    1. Re:Slow news day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Focusing on the set of edges instead of that of vertices is bad in G=(E,V). That proves this is news for nerds.

  14. That's the opposite of true by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To Facebook, every data point is not treated equally. Some are given more weight than others, based on connectivity, and response from others to something like a post.

    Facebook and other things like it act as a substrate on top of which humans are meant to provide understanding and human response. It's not that Facebook the system does not care, it's that Facebook is not in the role to care - in fact wouldn't Facebook be a thousand times MORE creepy if it actually tried to react in a human way to what people posted? Instead it leads people say things and lets others react to that, giving them as much range as it can while trying to balance an interface that doesn't turn away too many people.

    Facebook as an entity is just trying to ride just outside that wave of connection and emotion, gleaning enough understanding to help advertisers understand you. If that is a good thing or not is a whole different debate than arguing "Facebook is ignoring our humanity" when it should be doing no such thing to begin with.

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  15. Re: Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right by johanw · · Score: 0

    But before they do, please post readable postings.

  16. In other words, Facebook is ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... AI.

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  17. I got a solution by OYAHHH · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you don't like Facebook's offerings then offer something better.

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    1. Re:I got a solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't like Facebook's offerings then offer something better.

      Mod point!!

    2. Re:I got a solution by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      You don't think there is anything better? Better means nothing, getting the people to you means everything.

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    3. Re:I got a solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There has been something better since long before Fakebook came along! Its called Email!

  18. who are we by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    perhaps this is more of a question of the people we've become and how we choose to use our tools, rather than a question if the programs we write in and of themselves are inherently evil.

  19. Re: Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck you!!!

  20. Right about now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tongue load pucker
    Right about now
    Butt load sucker
    Right about now
    (Repeat)

    1. Re: Right about now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welp, whoever came up with that will never get the time they spent on it back. Waste of a life, really.

  21. It's about clear thinking, not technology by dbase4 · · Score: 2

    Misinformation has been a problem since before humans could talk. The ancient Romans and Greeks were masters of oratory, persuasion and 'fake news'. Propaganda. Fascists, Trumps, Orwell. Technologies and Media channels will come and go. What to do? Stop complaining about the channel du jour, and learn to think clearly all by yourself. That way, if someone charming tells you to put your head in the oven, you will work out for yourself not to! It's liberating. If you don't know where to start, try reading Plato or Aristotle, or here's an excellent book: 'The Art of Thinking Clearly', by Rolf Dobelli. Or just read. Then ponder, analyze, think. But don't absorb information mindlessly and then say 'The author misled me'. You don't do it with ads, do you? Look at information as a an input, source, not as an automatic truth.

    1. Re:It's about clear thinking, not technology by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      And then journalistic integrity was used for a short time so we knew articles were true. And then that went all out the window. All we need to do is maintain the concept of journalistic integrity for the internet.

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    2. Re:It's about clear thinking, not technology by dbase4 · · Score: 1

      And then journalistic integrity was used for a short time so we knew articles were true. And then that went all out the window. All we need to do is maintain the concept of journalistic integrity for the internet.

      journalism helped, but a newspaper could be bought at any time (murdoch, sky, fox anyone?) so trusting journalists was hit and miss for the novice. in practice we made our own judgements on which media we trusted and tended to bookmark that as our trusted source. even when reading our most trusted writer, we still need to read critically. that's my point: we should never look for the one true new source, or technical fixes; we need to have the skills to read and absorb all news critically.

    3. Re: It's about clear thinking, not technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When was that? "Journalism" has always been the propaganda that you choose to trust.

    4. Re: It's about clear thinking, not technology by dbase4 · · Score: 1

      agreed. journalism has great potential as a discipline. the weakness is that the media that journalists work for, can usually be bought by rich people who want to use the media for political purposes. we don't have a good answer to that yet.

    5. Re: It's about clear thinking, not technology by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Newspapers and news shows could be trusted, and there are still many that can be. The problem is that you won't fund trustworthy news anywhere on the internet, because it is slow and usually boring and the internet is killing it.

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  22. Yes, I want more of this bleeding heart crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Humanity?"

    Give me a break, you're just complaining that no one cares at Facebook that there were some Russian ads on Facebook that might have influenced the election for president. Sure, it sucks to be an immigrant right now, and a whole bunch of people here without visas are experiencing why they should have got one in the first place, but to accuse a corporation of lacking humanity smacks of a complete failure to understand how multinational corporations operate. No, they don't care about you. No, they don't care if their activities are harmful to the common good.

    Does it make money? Is it legal? That's the extent of the ethical calculus.

  23. Facebook is the symptom... by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 2

    ...not the cause. Yes, it emphasises and augments some of the dehumanising aspects of capitalism but that's simply because it's part of our capitalist, consumerist, hyper-individualist, isolated, lonely cultures, and Facebook simply reflects our cultures' values. We're no different to Google, Amazon, Verizon, Exxon, Monsanto, health insurance companies, banks, etc..

    Capitalism reduces 99% of us to labour and cost data points.

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  24. "Not on purpose" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EVERYTHING Fuckbook does is based on a purpose. Hell they have user groups that study the effectiveness of user groups studying the effectiveness of usergroups. No change happens without being vetted internally.

    Nice try though Zukerberg. You're still a tool.

  25. An ad company by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    that uses free social interactions as bait to place and sell more ads.

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  26. our humanity? by swell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's think about our 'humanity' ... Finished? For all of recorded history and probably beyond we've killed each other as fast as technology would allow. We are not nice by any standard. Millions worldwide are homeless, hungry, diseased. We help them when there's profit to be had. The mass of humanity is turned inward, sometimes for survival, sometimes for Twitter or YouTube. I can't think of any mammal that has the same disdain for others of its species.

    Yes, there are organizations and individuals who care. Teachers & firefighters & medical heroes. But there are also politicians, corporate executives and presidents who don't much care for anyone else.

    Our 'humanity' leaves much to be desired. Don't blame Facebook.

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    1. Re: our humanity? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Thatâ(TM)s the cynical view, yes. Itâ(TM)s not really true though. Historically wars have been fairly honourable affairs, and technologically conservative. Homerâ(TM)s dislike of archers colours military thinking right up to today, with our distaste for dehumanised video game style drone or over-the-horizon killing. Modern military training was invented to deal with the issue of many soldiers choosing to not actually fire at the enemy.

      Psychology, conditioning and propaganda are used to overcome our apparently default humanity. Hello Facebook.

    2. Re:our humanity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, "we" [as in some monolith you made up] haven't killed each others "as far as technology would allow", all the time, for no reason, from dusk till dawn. "We" also still don't do that today. You said nothing about history and a lot about the propaganda you soaked up.

      > Yes, there are organizations and individuals who care.

      Until you're one of them, you should read more, and write less.

  27. Facebook? by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 0

    Facebook? What's that. Is it something you use when you don't have a real life?

    1. Re:Facebook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. No need to worry about what "facebook" do, when not using it.

  28. Everyone ignores humanity by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The whole fucking tech industry ignores our humanity. Flipping people coins for doing things in the 'gig' economy. Tesla and their ignorance of human inability to maintain attention while doing nothing for long periods of time. The list goes on and on, and then we get into political trends.

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  29. I call bullshit on this theory. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    The idea in this story is merely Facebook's plausible deniability. They want you to think that they were so dumb they let this happen but this was exactly how they planned it.

  30. Humanity is evil so facebook is humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook is a true reflection of humanity, as is reddit.

    Disgusting perverted and immoral, this is humanity!!

  31. It doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as I can still worship Boobies, who cares !

  32. Re: Define "harmT" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is an idiot and has a long list of other shortcomings you never like to see in your President. But as bad as he is he was still able to beat Hillary. What does that say about the caliber of his competitors? And his competitors includes both the democrats and republicans.

    The US needed a President like Trump. The minute he won the election the people who funneled millions of dollars into getting Hillary elected got know ROI's. Those funding Trumps Republican challengers in the primaries also got nothing in return. In other words a lot of rich people wasted their money. On the world stage the US had become to predictable and both it's enemies and allies used that predictability when contemplating their actions. Russia knew they could invade the Ukraine and the worst thing the US would do is pass a few sanctions. China knew they were free to build military outpost in the middle to the largest trade route in the world and the US response would be to sail a destroyers past their bases and wave. Trump came on the scene and threw that predictability out the window and upsetting the status quo. And look at the world around you and see just what the status quo has done for the world. Trump inherited all the current problems from his predecessors. In the end maybe his unorthodox approach to things is what the US and the world needs.

  33. Exploits by chris-chittleborough · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ignore our humanity? Facebook exploits our humanity. Their whole business strategy is to use psychological features that improved survival rates in prehistory to get users to expose ourselves to advertisements.

  34. Sure it is by aglider · · Score: 1

    It's caring about stupidity and money.

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  35. on the other hand... by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    "Facebook really is evil," writes Quartz reporter Nikhil Sonnad. "Not on purpose. In the banal kind of way. Underlying all of Facebook's screw-ups is a bumbling obliviousness to real humans..." An anonymous reader quotes Sonnad's essay:

    Well, why we are on the subject of unsubstantiated, random accusations... My impression, on the other hand, is that Quartz is evil on purpose.

  36. Re: Define "harmT" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking as someone outside the US, it says far more about the caliber of the voters than of the candidates, fortunately his voters were a minority so there's still some hope for the US. The policy of child stealing and caging says everything we need to know about the current US regime.

  37. Another reverse Betteridge here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot likes posting them.

  38. Re: Define "harmT" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is an idiot and has a long list of other shortcomings you never like to see in your President. But as bad as he is he was still able to beat Hillary. What does that say about the caliber of his competitors? And his competitors includes both the democrats and republicans.

    Nothing much, it reflects the lack of a meaningful election system because people are dogmatically locked into their partisan choice without real option besides one or the other. That's how it has been for years, as anyone with wit has known.

    The US needed a President like Trump. The minute he won the election the people who funneled millions of dollars into getting Hillary elected got know ROI's. Those funding Trumps Republican challengers in the primaries also got nothing in return. In other words a lot of rich people wasted their money. On the world stage the US had become to predictable and both it's enemies and allies used that predictability when contemplating their actions. Russia knew they could invade the Ukraine and the worst thing the US would do is pass a few sanctions. China knew they were free to build military outpost in the middle to the largest trade route in the world and the US response would be to sail a destroyers past their bases and wave. Trump came on the scene and threw that predictability out the window and upsetting the status quo.

    What? You believe that Trump would do anything different? That's exactly what he has done, with the added bluster and posturing that makes him look dumb to those not blinded by the need to think he has achieved anything.

    And look at the world around you and see just what the status quo has done for the world. Trump inherited all the current problems from his predecessors. In the end maybe his unorthodox approach to things is what the US and the world needs.

    There's nothing unorthodox to his approach, and despite all the claims he makes, he has no more solved any of those problems than he won in a landslide of any kind.

    Sorry, but Trump is just the status quo with added corruption and incompetence.

  39. One word: FOSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One word: FOSS

    Well okay, technically it's four words.

  40. yourâ(TM)e arenâ(TM)t anyoneâ(TM)s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yourâ(TM)e arenâ(TM)t anyoneâ(TM)s

  41. He's not going far enough by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Not only does Zuckerbook not treat humans like human beings, it treats them intentionally as objects to be manipulated, and 'revenue streams' to be collected on, and anything that stands in the way of that is not allowed -- unless they're faced with a legal challenge that might cost them money, in which case they'll change how they treat their 'individual revenue stream generator objects' so they continue to make as much money as possible.

    The article does hit one nail on the head though: Zuckerbook is EVIL. As much as I say it, I can't say it enough: Everyone needs to LEAVE FACEBOOK, permanently. Rest assured, nothing of value will be lost -- and you'll gain so much back that's been taken from you.

  42. Re: Maybe youre wrong and Silicon Valley is righ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shut up you faggot shill INCEL deplorable uneducated cis-hetero gaylord trumptard Russian NAZI alt-right bolshevik anti-Semitic Zionist cock-gobbling fascist mansplaining SJW shitfucker MRA trailer trash inbred lesbian Hillaryist feminazi ghetto alt-left white supremacist PEDOPHILE wetback spic mick wop nlgger chink kike redneck puritanical crackhead liberturdian commie TRAITOR!

  43. Re: Define "harmT" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell us more, Fritz! Europa uber alles!

  44. Facebook? by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 1

    Um, it's really ALL faceless, soulless, blood-sucking, parasitic, global-conglomerate, monolithic, for-profit, multinational corporations that are ignoring our humanity. 'S not just Facebook, though they're clearly leaders in the field of ignoring our humanity.

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  45. Not just Facebook by Askmum · · Score: 1

    It's not just facebook. It is prevalent in any design process but looks to be especially bad in software.
    Example: I use a popular 3rd party launcher on my android phone. They made an update and for some reason several features that I was using do not exist anymore. It all looks different even though I changed no settings myself and I can't get it to look the same as it was.
    Why would developers do that. That seems to be a blatant disregard of your users. Maybe it is driven by monetary designs: you have to pay to get your old version back, maybe it is ignorance of what your users really use, maybe it is stupidity
    Whatever reason there is behind it, it is annoying. You keep having to switch between apps because the one you use and like just did a 180 and it looks crap now.