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CRISPR Gene Editing Fixes Muscular Dystrophy In Dogs, Humans Could Be Next (time.com)

schwit1 shares a report from Time: In a new paper published in Science, researchers led by Eric Olson, professor and chair of molecular biology at UT Southwestern Medical Center, reported that he and his team successfully used CRISPR to correct the genetic defect responsible for Duchenne muscular dystrophy in four beagles bred with the disease-causing gene. It's the first use of CRISPR to treat muscular dystrophy in a large animal. (Previous studies had tested the technology on rodents.) In varying degrees, the genetic therapy halted the muscle degradation associated with the disease. Duchenne is caused by mutations in the dystrophin gene, which codes for a protein essential for normal muscle function. People born with the disease are often eventually confined to wheelchairs as their muscles continue to weaken, and in the later stages, many rely on ventilators to breathe as their diaphragm muscles stop working. Eventually, they develop heart and respiratory failure.

Olson and his team "fixed" the mutated dystrophin gene in four dogs by splicing out an offending section of the gene using CRISPR. The gene editing technology, discovered in 2012, can cut out sections of DNA at precise locations (and also potentially introduce new DNA as well). In the case of Duchenne, says Olson, simply snipping out a section of the mutated dystrophin gene allows the gene to make enough of the proper protein that muscles need to function. The hope is that if those animal studies and human trials prove this technique is safe and effective, CRISPR could potentially lead to a cure for Duchenne, Olson says. "We are going for a cure, not a treatment," he says. "All of the other therapies so far for Duchenne muscular dystrophy have treated the symptoms and consequences of the disease. This is going right at the root cause of the genetic mutation."

112 comments

  1. Humanity 2.0 by Jzanu · · Score: 3, Informative

    We have the technology to change the mistakes introduced by the random processes of our evolution, so it is our moral imperative to use these tools to fix the diseases affecting humanity. If you are paranoid stick a million samples of human DNA in Svalbard, and another in an orbiting satellite, but everyone should be in favor of these modifications that can transform people's lives from suffering to joy and freedom.

    1. Re:Humanity 2.0 by mentil · · Score: 1

      Good luck getting the people who refuse to eat GMO foods to be ok with genetically modifying themselves. They imagine mad scientists randomly saying "I wonder what happens if I put THESE genes in THIS organism?" and the result having three heads. You can say, "hey, stupid people weed themselves out of the gene pool, natural selection", but unfortunately stupid parents can get their children killed too, and that's also natural selection (or micro-scale social darwinism).

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    2. Re:Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Three heads? How absurd. Now excuse me while I go feed my monkey with eight asses. (If you don't get this, clearly you don't watch Southpark.)

    3. Re:Humanity 2.0 by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now comes the equally important but less sexy, longer-term study to see what collateral damage might be caused by this treatment.

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    4. Re:Humanity 2.0 by klingens · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wrong. Medical genetic engineering and GMOs are very different.Genetic engineering as up to now means "more poison" pretty much. All the Roundup ready poison, the Bt-corn poison,etc. The only exception there is golden rice from Asia. All our western corporations only want to put more poison into the environment and our bodies. So being against GMO is very much a no brainer. The mainly asian governments want to prevent blindness in poor people instead. While there hsa been some resistance against golden rice, it's mainly "but the people only need to eat a little more vegetables". Which comes from dumb rich western organizations who cannot comprehend that the poor asians simply don't have the money to buy this. There are no walmarts or rather Whole Foods supremarkets in rural Asia.

      Medical genetic engineering is different. There you have insulin for diabetics and erythropoetin for anemic people. Granted, most of the erythropoetin is used for doping in sports, but it's still a godsend for anemic people on dialysis: no more 16h a day sleep. And for diabetics insulin a literal live saver.
      Both of these drugs are wholly accepted in any society, even with the doping problem. So another genetic tech which saves lives will be accepted too

    5. Re:Humanity 2.0 by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Start by treating the worst diseases, and we'll find out. I'm sure we'll be able to find volunteers.

    6. Re:Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Golden rice is also a failure, given that most of the cost of food to the consumer is logistics, GMOs cannot possibly make more than 1-2% difference in price to the normal person.

    7. Re:Humanity 2.0 by asylumx · · Score: 1

      Honestly, people watch too many doomsday movies. Everyone thinks everything is going to cause the world to turn out badly because that's what always happens in the movies. Even here, go down a few comments and there's one that says "The Planet of the Apes movies suggest this will not end well." For fuck's sake, real life is not a movie!

    8. Re:Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong. Food is grown locally in the regions where golden rice can have major health benefits. The solution is distribution the same way vaccines are distributed, and it would be even simpler since transporting dry bulk goods is much easier than maintaining refrigeration and scheduling service by medical workers. Golden rice just requires initial government purchase.

    9. Re:Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't get too excited though, most medical problems cannot be boiled down to a single gene. Most genes have been found to do many things and interact with hundreds and thousands of others. Even the yeast genome, one of the simplest we know has been found to be far more complex than we thought in how genes result in particular traits. In the human genome it is likely that thousands of genes contribute to particular phenotypes. Some people seem to think organisms are like little machines a human might design, but they are not, they evolved, and the complexity is mind boggling, as evolution only cared about whether things worked, and did not require modularity to generate the design.

    10. Re:Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      difficult to volunteer when you're an embryo, I guess you mean parents willing to volunteer their unborn children.

    11. Re:Humanity 2.0 by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Who else in our history had the idea of getting rid of all defective humans in favor of a humanity 2.0 that would be better in every way? What's the word we use to describe this idea?

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    12. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that TFA discusses CRISPR gene editing of a living organism using injections. You don't necessarily need to do it at birth.

    13. Re:Humanity 2.0 by gtall · · Score: 1

      I don't know, I was rather looking forward to world with lots of muppets.

    14. Re:Humanity 2.0 by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Fixing genetic defects with medical therapy through CRISPR isn't removing or killing any humans, it's simply treating the disorder so that people live decades longer.

    15. Re:Humanity 2.0 by Jzanu · · Score: 0

      Oh, and Putin needs to get on with shooting himself in the head. Or if he is too afraid, then I'm sure some noble Russians will gladly help him.

    16. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      I suspect Muscular Dystrophy will make an increasingly stronger argument that they may want to rethink their no objections in this case until they finally capitulate.

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    17. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      If it removes a general only found in MD sufferers I wouldn't be too worried about that.

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    18. Re:Humanity 2.0 by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"but everyone should be in favor of these modifications that can transform people's lives from suffering to joy and freedom."

      I can totally understand why some people are worried about tampering with human DNA. The worst case scenario with doing so is screwing up the collective gene pool. But there is another alternative- in cases of severe disease, one option would be to sterilize the person getting the gene treatment so they can't have any children. That way the risk is only confined to the consenting adult. There are ethical issues with this too, of course, but they seem to be rather small considering the benefits of being cured. Many with severe genetic-based diseases would already have chosen to not have kids because of the risk or physically unable to do so because of the disease or because of age. They could even have gametes frozen pre-treatment, possibly to be used later.

      Without risk to others, there is no moral/ethical ground to deny someone any treatment they want, as long as they understand the risks and costs.

    19. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Water is a poison that kills you if you take enough of it. Poison means nothing without numbers telling how much of it is needed to kill you.

      Plants without "poison" will get abused by insects and that can make the plant more poisonous to humans that what it would be with poison.

      Most countries put poison into the tab water so that the water would not kill people. If that doesn't make sense to you then gene manupulation won't either.

    20. Re:Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck getting the people who refuse to eat GMO foods to be ok with genetically modifying themselves.

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      This is a feature, not a bug. Those who are anti-science will be left behind, and because of their diminished social status nobody will mate with them. I'm NOT claiming that political values are genetically inherited, but that being isolated and childless reduces your influence on society. You will die a lonely conspiracy blogger.

    21. Re:Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a disease that of untreated will make you a vegetable for life, you are more likely to sign up to be in the long-term study.

    22. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical painting with a broad brush. You've just got to be a liberal Trump hating millenial. Oops, now I did it. See how that works and why it's dumb?

      Now to address your insult: I (and many others) think the *concept* of GMOs is fine, just like the concept of vaccines is fine too. Both are proven science.

      Where it breaks down is I and many others have huge levels of rightly earned distrust of the companies that engage in GMO production. Also, in my case at least, I am not an anti-vaxxer but do keep it to that which is really needed. I'm also disturbed that we can't properly study the misuse of vaccines. There is at least some evidence that giving very young children very potent combined vaccines might be harmful in some situations whereas the same vaccines delivered with an interval between them are just fine because it was done that way for generations.

      Maybe that's so and maybe not. I'd like to know with scientific proof, but on the one hand you have anti-vaxx crazies and on the other you have corporations wanting to use their new profitable vaccines as opposed to off-patent cheap not as profitable ones. This is a lousy situation for discovering the truth.

      So yes, and this may shock you, I'm all in favor of using this technology for good. It has massive potential to do two things: eliminate a lot of human suffering and eliminate a lot of overpriced "treatments" invented by companies with no interest in actual cures for anything.

      In that second case, we'd best assign highly paid, very loyal bodyguards to these researchers. Wouldn't want some of them to commit suicide with multiple gunshot wounds to the head or die when their car suddenly accelerates out of control, would we? Love of profits and guaranteed money streams runs deep and very corrupt.

    23. Re:Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is an in situ treatment, for people who have MD now. Editing the bad gene out of our germline will come later.

    24. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck off ivan

    25. Re:Humanity 2.0 by guruevi · · Score: 1

      There really is no difference. GMO protects farming from diseases and organisms that are inherent to massive monocultures. We can't get off monocultures because we don't have enough farmland for everyone to eat cheaply with low yields. If you want organic, nobody is stopping you from eating food that has "even more poison" than non-organic foods, it's also four times as expensive so you being rich has more to do with you being able to eat organic than either health or necessity for the rest of the world. GMO's have proven to be safer and better yielding than non-GMO foods. Now we want to try that on humans too.

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    26. Re:Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (If you don't get this, clearly you don't watch Southpark.)

      If you need to explain a joke, it's probably not funny.

    27. Re:Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Good luck getting the people who refuse to eat GMO foods to be ok with genetically modifying themselves.

      Seeing yourself or your child's suffering tends to evaporate ideological objections. Those same people who are protesting GMO will gladly line up themselves or their children for gene editing if it'll save their life, or stop them from suffering.

      Maybe not all of them. There's always a few bad nuts in the jar, but most people change their tune pretty quickly when they're personally affected by something. (See Dick Cheney's gay daughter).

    28. Re:Humanity 2.0 by morethanapapercert · · Score: 2
      Who can afford this? Anyone fortunate enough to live in a country with universal health care. (roughly thirty countries, most are in the G20) Also any one without universal health care but at least have a sane and rational health insurance provider. Giving a 5 year old boy a CRISPR treatment is going to be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than paying for all the supports he would other wise need in his life. (as a side note, most boys with DMD die in their twenties from cardiac or respiratory failure because the muscles involved are no longer strong enough function. My youngest son has DMD)

      Where do we stop with the ability to decide life or death for millions? I have no idea. But I would suggest that if a society can make a choice that makes the difference between life or death for mass numbers of people, it would monstrous to chose the option that leads to death. Allowing the sick and disabled to suffer and die simply because they are unfortunate to have a condition which is treatable is one of the more common legs to arguments for eugenics.

      What is the ethical basis? It can be expressed very simply: Imagine I have a vaccine that prevents smallpox, a disease which used to kill millions, but I chose not to make it available, or special interest groups prevent me from making it available. Then your son contracts smallpox and dies. Who is responsible for his death? If I can save a life and choose not to do so, then I am at least partly responsible for that death. I support the right to die with dignity and the death penalty. I am comfortable with accepting the responsibility for helping to ease the suffering of the patient and the joint responsibility of when society decides, after due process and a fair trial and appeals process, to execute a criminal. I am NOT comfortable watching children die of preventable or treatable conditions.

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    29. Re:Humanity 2.0 by morethanapapercert · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You're right. My son has DMD, the very disease this treatment is aimed at. I'd volunteer my son for this in a fucking heartbeat because the alternative is seeing him wither away and spend years struggling to even breathe before dying in his late 20's from cardiac or respiratory failure. Unfortunately, my son is already permanently wheelchair bound. He is already considered to have declined to far to be a viable test subject. That is a heart breaking disappointment we've had to swallow several times now as he keeps falling outside the study requirements for several different life extending trial therapies even as those trials accept worse and worse patients.

      I've been following CRISPR with intense interest as a result of my son's condition and it really does look like a golden bullet for curing DMD. But early detection, preferably in-uterine detection, will be key. The reason being is that this treatment would essentially freeze the boys level of muscular competence. If you treat a child who has yet to show any symptoms, then he will likely never experience any symptoms. But if you treat a wheelchair bound 10 year old, he is not going to recover the ability to walk, he is going to be wheelchair bound for the rest of his life. The good news would be that this would greatly extend his life expectancy.

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    30. Re: Humanity 2.0 by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1
      I am not a geneticist or microbiologist, but I've had to discuss this sort of stuff at length with my son's geneticist, so what follows reflects my understanding and may be wrong in the details.

      The problem isn't that MD sufferers have a gene that healthy people lack. In most cases the patient has the bit of code, it's just malformed in some way. For the most severe cases such as Duchennes or Limb-girdle, the patient may actually be missing the relevant structure entirely.

      An individual chromosome is made up of a supercoil of DNA(a coil which is then coiled again, think wires within the handset cord of a traditional phone. The wires are twisted to reduce crosstalk, but then that twist, once sheathed in an outer insulator, is coiled again) within that DNA are individual nucleosomes, groups of DNA sections that perform different functions. Introns are bits used to separate sets of instructions and are removed during RNA replication where the actual proteins are formed.There bits left which form start and stop codons for each instruction set. Exons are the bits left that consist of the instructions.

      Most forms of muscular dystrophy, like Becker's for example, are caused by one of those instruction Exons being malformed or by the start and stop codons being malformed or in the wrong spot. The current approach, and the one described in the article, is simply snipping out the bad bit and allowing normal DNA repair processes to splice the bits back together. This allows the cell to start making the protein structures that had been lacking.

      There is a major problem with this approach: It only works for treating certain malformed Exons, deleting the bad bit, resulting in proteins that may not have the full function of the healthy protein. It's enough to preserve function, not a total cure. It also doesn't work if the disease is caused by malformed or misplaced start/stop codons.

      The next step after this will be the purposeful insertion of healthy genes. If done before symptoms are ever experienced, it should represent a true cure as far as the patient is concerned. Since this is done to children and not blastocysts, the patient would still have defective genes in their reproductive cells. However, knowing they would be carriers would justify in-vitro therapy, eliminating the defect from that bloodline.

      Given the random genetic defect that causes my son's Duchenne's (exon 51 deletion) , he has to wait until purposeful gene insertion is possible. Unfortunately, he is virtually certain to have declined too far for it to be useful by the time it is available.

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    31. Re:Humanity 2.0 by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      You're a dick. Yes, let's let millions of people suffer needlessly while we pontificate about whether or not helping them is the "right thing" to do.

      Who can afford such life-giving changes?

      We can.

      Where do we stop with the ability to decide life or death for millions of people en masse?

      I suspect you'd see this differently if you or your child had a crippling condition that this could technology be used to mitigate or cure.

      What ethical background do you base your simplistic "we must help" dogma upon?

      I would ask you the same. What kind of "ethical background" allows a person to blithely ignore the suffering of millions of people?

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    32. Re:Humanity 2.0 by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      If you need to explain a joke, it's probably not funny.

      If you need to explain a joke, it's definitely not funny.

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    33. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      Interesting that you know more than they do. Have you considered taking over the project? Your first order of business can be explaining to the test subjects that they aren't better. You are up on your doctor Doolittle skills too I assume.

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    34. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God, you are a shrill retard aren't you?

    35. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I laughed. Because I watched south park. Also, it wasn't a joke. He was referencing south park.

    36. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Organic food is has more poison? How's that make sense?

    37. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ??? Why the condensing tone? He was just explaining the process that was explained to him by his sons doctor.

      He wasn't stating that he knows more than they do, or that they are failing. He is stating that it is too late for his son because he is already 10. This type of therapy is good if you catch it early.

      You just made yourself look like a huge prick. Nothing new for you tho.

    38. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      I am a huge prick ... Off you go now ...

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    39. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you are just another micro dick ammosexual gun nut, with the emotional intelligence of a 2 year old.

    40. Re: Humanity 2.0 by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      ... literally never owned a gun, legal or otherwise, in my life. I don't think I need to address the other easily disproved claims.

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    41. Re: Humanity 2.0 by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Organic pesticides are less effective and require higher doses and more frequent application.

      Those are facts on the ground.

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    42. Re:Humanity 2.0 by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      A good friend is in a similar situation. His son was doing breathing exercises to maintain his 'breathing score' and just squeaked into the study, despite being older.

      Now they are just scared that he was assigned to the control group and got placebo. There is at least one study accepting boys as old as 18.

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  2. Bill Hamilton would be optimistic now by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Genetic engineering improved beyond everything Hamilton could have dreamed of.

    1. Re:Bill Hamilton would be optimistic now by stevent1965 · · Score: 1

      This is amazing and wonderful news. I've been reading science fiction for more than 45 years, it's good to see the fiction becoming science!

  3. How does this work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds like fixing a weak building wall by changing the blueprints. That does not affect the existing building at all.

    1. Re: How does this work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Organisms, and their components, are in a constant recycling of their material constituents. You fix the blueprint and a couple of weeks later your muscles have incorporated the good bricks.

    2. Re: How does this work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you hope that's what happens. We will see.

  4. Re:God gene by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

    The rich people will control this though. So they will make the poor even more gullible and what you end up with will make you wish you had Trump back.

  5. Planet of the Apes suggest this will not end well by drnb · · Score: 0

    ... successfully used CRISPR to correct the genetic defect responsible for Duchenne muscular dystrophy in four beagles ...

    The Planet of the Apes movies suggest this will not end well.

  6. The x.0 release are always buggy by drnb · · Score: 1

    Humanity 2.0

    The x.0 release are always buggy, its best to avoid them.

  7. This is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't wrap my mind around how I feel about this. I'm not afraid of technology, and yet this seems ridiculously risky. Plus the world that we live in is simply not devoid of biased, corporate or self-serving interest. Ew. It hurts to try to wrap my brain around it but if, say, a corporation ties its bottom line to gene editing, well, that could get a little ugly. This is simply wild. Even if we do simply use this to remove things we deem as suffering.. what will be the side effects?

    1. Re: This is crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a reason we have our hopes high on CRSPR, and why it took so long. At least, when it comes to the selectivity of the change being made, this is good technology. The consequences of such changes, that my friend, only time can tell.

  8. Excellent! by SqueakyMouse · · Score: 1

    Excellent! Soon the creatures we can engineer will make the regular human look like nothing more than a dog with muscular dystrophy in comparison. And it's not ethical to breed dogs with muscular dystrophy.

    1. Re: Excellent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ethics committees have apparently approved of rats bred to get cancer e.g. for ages. They seem to approve it if it's believed the result can help a large number of humans with the same problem.

  9. Humanity 3.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have the technology to change the mistakes introduced by the random processes of our evolution

    If we are to achieve Humanity 3.0 we ought to use what we have to eradicate STUPIDITY

    1. Re:Humanity 3.0 by guruevi · · Score: 2

      Why are you promoting genocide of leftists?

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    2. Re:Humanity 3.0 by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Get back in the pile! They tuk er jerbs!!!!!

    3. Re:Humanity 3.0 by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1

      The problem is of course that most people define stupid as "disagrees with me" which itself is a form of stupidity.

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    4. Re: Humanity 3.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This is gay, get back in the pile"

      LOL!! You made me laugh. Thanks.

  10. Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Solandri · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Gametes = sperm and egg cells. If you're not fixing the genetic defect in those, then this will actually make the situation worse. Previously, people with MD were less likely to reproduce because of the disease (it usually manifests between age 2-15, with most afflicted persons dying by their 20s). That kept the damaged gene sequence relatively rare in the population's gene pool. If we now use gene therapy to remove the negative symptoms of the disease, but without repairing the damaged gene sequence in the gametes, parents with MD will end up passing the disease on to their children. And eventually that sequence will end up spreading throughout the entire population. And we'll end up with a world where the a large percentage of people need this therapy just to have a normal life. According to TFA, this treatment has only been applied to muscle tissue (where the bad gene sequence is needed by the muscles).

    People equate death = bad. But if the death results from bad genes, the death is actually good (for the species) because it's functioning to reduce the prevalence of the bad genes from the population's gene pool. What's bad for the individual may be good for the species.

    An alternative is to require people receiving this treatment to consent to forced sterilization (there are plenty of kids who need adopting anyway). But sterilization is a touchy subject which encroaches on the abortion debate (you're saying society can override an individual's right to control their own body).

    1. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Megol · · Score: 1

      Citation needed, otherwise this is just a variant of the "let gays marry - and marrying dogs is next" argument.

      Also I sure does hope it doesn't change reproductive cell until it is deemed to be completely safe.

    2. Re: Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A close friend of mine has a son with DMD. You come and tell her, face to face, that she should let him die âoefor the good of the speciesâ. I doubt you have the intestinal fortitude to do that, keyboard warrior.

    3. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      An alternative is to require people receiving this treatment to consent to forced sterilization

      Ah, you want to remove undesirables from the gene pool. I think the 1930s called and want their genetic hygiene back. Have you looked at what hospitals do today already? We try to fix everything, no matter how poor the fertility is, how high the tendency to miscarry, how unfit the mother is to give vaginal birth, how premature the child is born and no matter what kind of physical and mental handicaps or hereditary diseases they're born with or what health problems they have as a child. All those poor genes are being passed on and none of those children are asked to sign away their right to reproduce, there's nothing unique about muscular dystrophy that is significantly worse or different.

      If you want to argue we should be screening out who gets to reproduce or not, then just go full tilt. At age... 14? everyone has their medical history, physical and mental health reviewed, those who pass go through and the rest are sterilized/given a vasectomy. A license to breed, more or less. Also make sure to say how hardcore you'd get, like is it muscular dystrophy or gluten allergy that's enough to disqualify you. I'm guessing you're not very likely to get much support, but hey... that's kinda what you really want with this "if we do this for you, you agree not to have children" right? And I'm sure there would be no potential for abuse or corruption in such a system, not at all...

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    4. Re: Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      The real question is "will it fix the problem of idiots not even reading and comprehending the summary before trying to sound intelligent while simultaneously making a fool of themselves on Slashdot?"

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    5. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      Citation needed, otherwise this is just a variant of the "let gays marry - and marrying dogs is next" argument.

      Your comparison is seriously backwards, because gay couples and human-canine couples cannot reproduce by themselves. Besides, gay marriages are not heavy medical procedures. They are human conventions that would probably happen naturally anyway, were it not for specific restrictions on gay couples in many jurisdictions. By allowing gay marriages, we are making legislation simpler by removing these restrictions. Gay marriages don't take away anyone's rights and don't mean additional expenses for the society.

      The GP asks: Should we allow heavy medical procedures that, while helping individuals, will make humanity more dependent on these procedures in the future? There's no easy answer.

      In fact, it's a GM issue and we've already seen something like it with food production. GM promises to increase yields and make food cheaper, but at the same time it makes us more dependent on certain technology. Personally, I'm OK with GM foods, as long as we don't let them destroy current biodiversity, so we can always back up to the old ways if necessary. Something similar should apply here too.

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    6. Re: Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live with a person who suffers from genetic desease. About 2 days a month she has only mild pain. Rest of the time she has hard time moving because of the pain. She had kids before the desease kicked in.

      Should we kill her and her kids so we can have pure human race? Or do we just let her suffer until she dies?

      Your thinking makes perfect sense. That is why Hitler liked it. But there ate alternatives that can bring same results but with less suffering.

    7. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Also make sure to say how hardcore you'd get, like is it muscular dystrophy or gluten allergy that's enough to disqualify you.

      Forget gluten, what about peanuts?

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    8. Re: Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Sterilize. If gametes can be created from other cells that have had their DNA proven to be corrected, then the patient can opt to have children via "test tube baby" procedure.

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    9. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1


      If we now use gene therapy to remove the negative symptoms of the disease, but without repairing the damaged gene sequence in the gametes, parents with MD will end up passing the disease on to their children. And eventually that sequence will end up spreading throughout the entire population.

        Duchene Muscular Dystrophy is a recessive condition carried by the X Chromosome.
      https://www.genome.gov/19518854/learning-about-duchenne-muscular-dystrophy/

      We already have this now, and the genes haven't spread through much of the population. To get DMD you normally would have to be male, your mother has to be a carrier, and you have to inherit her bad X chromosome. There's some girls that get MD, but they're rare.

      Any male carrier that's treated could only produce either a male that was not a carrier, or a female that's a carrier, but almost never someone with the disease (unless his mate is also a carrier). Women carriers are far more likely to produce someone with the disease, yet we don't do any form of "forced sterilization on women who are carriers, nor should we.

      If you really want to stamp out the disease, you should be calling for more genetic testing to find out who's a carrier, not trying to bring back the horrible practice of forced sterilization.

    10. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by samkass · · Score: 1

      And what if the MD variant is a genetic transition state towards a much more efficient/capable genetic variation? Or what if there's a linked gene that is hugely beneficial, and given enough people it will find more variations that stabilize to something survivable? You can't select until you have the variations and combinations. Having more variations of human genes survivable and reproducible just gives us more to select from when we need the adaptation in the next selection event. So no, eugenics isn't just awful, it's not even logical.

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    11. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Gay marriages ... don't mean additional expenses for the society.

      Married couples with one person providing most of the income have a slight federal income tax advantage. If the federal budget is fixed and the money has to come from somewhere, a married gay couple paying less under this scheme means a slightly increased burden on everyone else.

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    12. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Forget gluten [allergy], what about peanuts?

      Shoot on sight. Take no prisoners. Also I'm totally not allergic to peanuts. *throws smoke bomb*

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    13. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Gay people have always been able to reproduce, how fucking stupid are you anyways?

      How do you even get out of bed in the morning and get your shoes on without falling over and hitting your head? You don't seem smart enough even for that if you didn't know that gay people can have babies naturally.

    14. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Gay people have always been able to reproduce, how fucking stupid are you anyways?

      Can you read the part "by themselves"? I'm well aware of gay couples who have had children by various means, but this always involves a third party of the opposite sex (possibly via donated sperm or eggs). So the couple won't have genetic children together, which was the essential point here.

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    15. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1
      I see a couple of problems with your scenario:

      1) In order for defective MD genes to crowd out healthy genes as you suggest, the treated patients would have to be reproductively superior to people who didn't need the treatment in the first place. Is a treated MD patient going to have more children and grandchildren then the average? Note that; as you say, MD is the result of a rare genetic defect, so the healthy people have one hell of a head start as it is.

      2) Anyone with access to the sort of early genetic testing and therapy this scenario requires would also likely have access to in-vitro fertilization techniques, where this therapy could be applied to a blastocyst, totally eliminating that defective gene from the bloodline. Because most cases are caused by random mutations, we can never totally eliminate MD from the population, every time a child is conceived, there is a random chance he (it's almost always a he) will have the disease.

      3) Based on your logic, we should never vaccinate, use antibiotics or clean our drinking water. No disease in history has ever killed 100% of us. There are always at least a few who survive because of genetic, environmental or cultural factors. Those that survive smallpox, measles, typhus and the many plagues this world has seen are arguably more fit than those who didn't yes? Bear in mind that we could never have risen to the level of technology we have today, with its dependence on a wide spectrum of human specializations if we kept dying off by the millions every other generation or so.

      4) Letting the "unfit" die and advocating forced sterilization is eugenics. The process of life places no value whatsoever on human existence. Survival of the fittest is proof of that. We humans, however, DO. To say that we should let the "unfit" die is to say we wish to live by the same moral code as animals.

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    16. Re: Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL what? So fucking what?

      You made up scenario accounts for how many real actual cases? You cherry pick one example that makes being gay bad for taxes. Ban gays!!!

    17. Re: Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you read his post? It was assumed together. No two gay people can't have a kid together unless a third party is involved. Be it a doctor squirting sperm in your wife , having a surrogate mother, or adoption.

    18. Re: Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We understand this is a touchy PERSONAL issue. But reread his post. He is talking about natural selection. You know, how we became humans and evolved?

      He isn't talking about KILLING anyone. Jesus Christ you people need to calm the fuck down. He's just stating that natural selection SHOULD Take care of this.

      Have we all gone so blind with anger that us nerds have actually forgot about *gasp* SCIENCE.

      Sorry for your friend, but natural selection doesn't give a fuck.

    19. Re: Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What ifs what ifs what ifs. WHAT IF!!!

      Meanwhile the person you replied to is talking about ACTUAL science. You know, natural selection.

      But you probably don't believe in that and are a god fearing man.

    20. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What really blows my mind is that people like you can project forward in time to where the technology is able to fix the problem in humans, and then, like fucking magic, all improvement in technology stops.

      In the time frame where what you are talking about becomes a problem, about 10 to 15 years from the time they fix it in humans, don't you think the technology will have advanced to a point where it will easily solve the problem you are forecasting?

    21. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Medinole · · Score: 1

      This is ridiculous on TWO fronts.

      1. The "situation" of a human being having a severely disabling and life threatening condition should be treated like any other medical "situation". Would you propose type I diabetics go without insulin and die, or children with leukemia go without care because there is a genetic component to these diseases? Their offspring may be more likely to have these same diseases, but they will also be in the same or better situations to receive treatment than their afflicted parents.

      2. If muscular dystrophy is capable of being treated successfully at the genetic level by CRISPR in adults across somatic muscle cells, then why would the same treatment not work on germ or embryonic cells? Said treatment would necessarily be capable of preventing the condition from being passed on in the future.

      Take your cynicism and ignorance somewhere else.

    22. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And eventually that sequence will end up spreading throughout the entire population.

      I suppose one could argue that long before it becomes an issue we would have mastered the technology to the point that we make it go away. Also people would have to agree to forgo kids without assistance. Fixing one cell seam like a much lower goal to set. Or you can watch them die.

      But genie is almost out of the bottle in a much more disturbing way. I would suggest to start preparing for fallout. The whole idea is just too tempting to forego or even wait. It is happening. Now that we have the tools. Ready or not.

      When shit hits the fan it happens all at once ;)

    23. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Yes, by themselves, dipstick.

      The amazing thing about your lack of reading comprehension here is that you said those words before, and I was already replying to them. You not only don't comprehend what I said, you didn't even comprehend what you said!

      You seem to not really comprehend reproduction, or what the important elements are.

    24. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Please explain how two gay men, or two gay women, can produce natural offspring without any third party involvement.

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    25. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You've got some word salad there, maybe you should just keep playing with your food until it spells out whatever crazy bullshit is in your head.

      You understand, little babies get born, it's been happening for millions of years. When I observe that, and you can't figure it out, and want to argue with it, you're not going to convince me that you're actually trying to communicate with the other humans. You're just playing with your word salad, and you have no idea even that the words you don't get to choose are coming from other humans!

    26. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Nobody's arguing babies get born, chief.

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    27. Re:Will this repair the genes in the gametes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >people receiving this treatment

      As I understand it, Crisper works on embryos, not adults.
      Please correct me if I'm wrong.

  11. That's unfair by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Why is it that the dogs always have to get the good stuff first?

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    1. Re:That's unfair by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Like that dog that helped prove how the lung works! Dogs always get the good stuff first.

      https://www.drlindseyfitzharri...

    2. Re:That's unfair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dogs got sent into space, first, too. Totally not fair, Laika!

  12. Reimbursement Model by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

    "We are going for a cure, not a treatment,"

    The first thing a Medical Industry executive will ask when someone makes an assertment like the above is "What is the reimbursement model?"

    Because drug and medical device makers view treatment or cure of a patient as a side effect.

    1. Re:Reimbursement Model by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      The first thing a Medical Industry executive will ask when someone makes an assertment like the above is "What is the reimbursement model?"

      Yes, and that's a problem with the US medical system, where government regulation has killed pretty much all competition. Specifically, the the "medical industry executive" will ask "how much does the government let us get away with charging for this, and who in government can we bribe to increase that".

      In a free market, what "medical industry executives" will ask is: "can we take away business from our competitors by making this treatment available, and how cheap does competition force us to make it"?

    2. Re: Reimbursement Model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free market. LUL.

      With a republican controller everything we still don't see this free market you speak of. Instead all we see is big business donating to campaigns to further their agenda.

      The system is broken. We can never have a free market with our government. It's impossible.

  13. Longer life span by Layth · · Score: 1

    Screw human treatments, please make dogs live as long as horses. Thanks.

    1. Re:Longer life span by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Screw dog treatments. Please make cats less like jerks.

  14. Passing genes along by del_diablo · · Score: 1

    As this is a insensitive issue, the truth is far simpler.
    For something to be inside the genepool, and have its own "genetic disease", it needs to be passed along. So once paired with the right combination, it triggers, and you have a surfaced gene disease. So there is MDM, and there is carrier MDM.
    The person you are replying is failing to bring along this component to the discussion, and is the core reason his argument is flawed.

    Because he fails to address carrier MDM, where the carrier only can pass it on: He can't argue for what this do the genetic pool.
    And because he can't argue for the impact his talk of sterilization or sustainable treatable damage caused by MDM becoming a common treatable disease in infancy.
    His argument also indirectly talks about access to medical care, and the technology needed to treat MDM. Or the costs by making treatment common without addressing the hereditary concerns.

  15. Re:Planet of the Apes suggest this will not end we by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    ... successfully used CRISPR to correct the genetic defect responsible for Duchenne muscular dystrophy in four beagles ...

    The Planet of the Apes movies suggest this will not end well.

    If it was beagles we could at least hide in the trees.

  16. Re:Planet of the Apes suggest this will not end we by drnb · · Score: 1

    ... successfully used CRISPR to correct the genetic defect responsible for Duchenne muscular dystrophy in four beagles ...

    The Planet of the Apes movies suggest this will not end well.

    If it was beagles we could at least hide in the trees.

    Sorry, obscure movie reference. And maybe my recollection is confused but I think there was a global pandemic that killed off all dogs and cats, people turned to primates as a substitute.

  17. Re:Planet of the Apes suggest this will not end we by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Yeah, you're confused, in the movie it was apes, in the story it was beagles.

  18. This worked on a 'bred" version of MS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This worked on 4 beagles "bred with the disease-causing gene."
    Questions:
    1. is the gene that was bred exactly the same as the "wild" gene in humans?
    2. are 4 beagles enough to come to a conclusion? (Answer, uh, no.)
    3. does this gene also do something beneficial that will cause harm if altered?

    A well known example of #3 is that the gene that causes sickle cell anemia also confers in some people some resistance to malaria.
    On over enthusiasm with new treatments: In the book The Emperor of All Maladies: A Biography of Cancer, Siddhartha Mukherjee
    writes how desperate people glom onto new cancer treatments, in some cases disrupting scientific studies. In one case, a "double blind" study of a drug was turned worthless. It seems nurses and doctors figured out which group was getting a placebo and which group was getting the drug. It was no longer a blind test. So they snuck in people, friends, relative, patients, strangers who they know had cancer into the group that received the real drug. This wasn't discovered until after the test was completed. This made the test pretty much worthless, as patients who got the drug or the placebo were no longer randomly selected samples.
    In Ireland in the late 1980's there was a study to see if folic acid given to pregnant women prevented spina bifida in newborns. When the preliminary phase results came in it was shown to greatly reduce spina bifida. It was so good the ethics committee decided it would be unethical to continue the test (denying the control group the folic acid) and recommended all pregnant women get it.
    In the USA when this was presented to groups like the March of Dimes, the prejudice against fantastic claims for mere vitamins kicked in. It was met with scorn. It was also met with the fact that the Irish study ended after preliminary testing, which was not good enough. And possibly some chauvanism--US researchers sometimes dismiss science studies whose results they don't like that were not done in the US. Eventually more studies were done, some in the US, and in the early 2000's US policy was changed to recommend all pregnant women get folic acid. Folic acid is now added to more foods and vitamin formulas than before.
    Folic acid worked. But a lot of drugs (and supplements) after deeper and careful research research end up not working.
    Conclusion: this MS research may represent a breakthrough. And if it were me or my child with MS I would be chomping at the bit to get it. But rushing forward without a heck of a lot more research? Hard decisions.

  19. Re:Planet of the Apes suggest this will not end we by drnb · · Score: 1

    Nope, its still over your head. My confusion about all the dogs dying in the movie (70s) was unfounded, I was correct. The connection you are failing to make is that one of this risks of genetic engineering is things going wrong, unintended consequences. Genes don't always control one thing, they often affect many different things. To fix one thing in one spot may mess up something somewhere else. Its not a given those beagles will be as healthy as they first seem, they may be prone to other problem now.

    Again, my bad for making too obscure a reference, expecting readers to connect the dots.
    Genetically engineering dogs --> someone f's up --> the dogs all die --> Planet of the apes.

  20. Re:Planet of the Apes suggest this will not end we by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    My comment was not over my head, but perhaps your own comment was over your own head?

    You made a movie reference. I bridged the gap between what happened in the movie, and what happened in the actual fucking story we're talking about. Those are my comments, not yours. If they went over somebody's head, why would you start with me? I might have even understand what I was saying!

  21. Re:Planet of the Apes suggest this will not end we by drnb · · Score: 1

    Actually, I understood your comment and the direction you were coming from. And the conversation is still over your head. Focus on errors and unintended consequences of genetic engineering and a potential catastrophe occurring in the species. Then perhaps you will see the connection you are missing. Again, my fault for making such an obscure and subtle comment. But lets not pretend you are getting anything yet, your "bridge" does nothing more that demonstrate you are not getting it.

  22. Muscular Dystrophy Cure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My son has this disease. I pray for this cure.