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Why Google Fiber Is High-Speed Internet's Most Successful Failure

Blair Levin and Larry Downes report via Harvard Business Review: In 2010, Google rocked the $60 billion broadband industry by announcing plans to deploy fiber-based home internet service, offering connections up to a gigabit per second -- 100 times faster than average speeds at the time. Google Fiber, as the effort was named, entered the access market intending to prove the business case for ultra-high-speed internet. After deploying to six metro areas in six years, however, company management announced in late 2016 that it was "pausing" future deployments. In the Big Bang Disruption model, where innovations take off suddenly when markets are ready for them, Google Fiber could be seen as a failed early market experiment in gigabit internet access. But what if the company's goal was never to unleash the disrupter itself so much as to encourage incumbent broadband providers to do so, helping Google's expansion in adjacent markets such as video and emerging markets including smart homes?

Seen through that lens, Google Fiber succeeded wildly. It stimulated the incumbents to accelerate their own infrastructure investments by several years. New applications and new industries emerged, including virtual reality and the Internet of Things, proving the viability of an "if you build it, they will come" strategy for gigabit services. And in the process, local governments were mobilized to rethink restrictive and inefficient approaches to overseeing network installations. The story of Google Fiber provides valuable lessons for future network transformations, notably the on-going global race to deploy next-generation 5G mobile networks. It seems, then, a good time to review the story of how the effort came into being, what it achieved, and what it teaches investors, consumers, and community leaders eager to ensure continued private spending on internet infrastructure.

77 comments

  1. Thank you Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Without Google Fiber virtual reality and the Internet of things would clearly never have happened!

    We would all still be stuck with no or little choice in ISP if Google hadn't mobilized local governments into rethinking restrictive and inefficient approaches to overseeing network installations!

    I don't understand how any one could call it a failure.

    1. Re: Thank you Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either you are trolling or you are full of shyte.

      Re read the article.

    2. Re: Thank you Google! by sittingnut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Either you are trolling or you are full of shyte.

      Re read the article.

      its called sarcasm.
      congrats to gp ac for triggering the humorless ignorant.

    3. Re:Thank you Google! by methano · · Score: 1

      Lots of people in Chapel Hill got the T-shirt. Nobody go no stinkin' Google Fiber.

    4. Re:Thank you Google! by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Cotton is a kind of fiber....

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    5. Re: Thank you Google! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Either you are trolling or you are full of shyte.

      Re read the article.

      If Google Fiber had worked, we would be able to "Whoosh" much faster.

    6. Re: Thank you Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course he's trolling. It was really Al Gore that made it all happen.

    7. Re:Thank you Google! by jhecht · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Google never wanted to run a national network. They wanted to force the big carriers to build a high-speed network that people could use to access Google services. The carriers wanted to sit back and collect monopoly profits and not build anything more. Now the carriers are having to build new services; they aren't everywhere yet, but they're coming. Google won, and whatever you think of Google, they helped us get more bandwidth.

    8. Re: Thank you Google! by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      That actually is true in part
      Without SOCIALIST government money...no internet.
      And who wrote the enabling legislation?
      Al Gore.

    9. Re:Thank you Google! by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Google had a change of direction. Alphabet was formed as a place for the dick bags to hide as they went psychopathically insane and wanted total power and total control, control the users, control elections, control the government, control the planet, the big shit went nuts and had to stand down. Too much bandwidth is bad for that, to free a flow of information and so they sided with those who wanted corporate controlled strangleband, where you only get what they allow you.

      Google went from being the friend of broadband to the enemy of broadband. Now, as more and more of the douche baggery character is being exposed PR pump pieces appear.

      Google cut broadband expansion because it would lose control over that bandwidth, lose dominance rather than gaining more. Google evil is as evil does.

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  2. I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google Fiber is only present in the US yet Europe has far better broadband coverage.

    Also IoT does not need broadband.

    1. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither does Virtual Reality. No one streams this. BS indeed.

  3. Fuck Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fewer stories about google = more stories about things that matter, innovate.

    1. Re:Fuck Google by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Harvard is known to fawn over successful greed, and objectifying businesses, rather than looking deeply into the trails of dead bodies.

      Google completed only a small tiny fraction of its goal. It made telcos and ISPs stronger, in terms of monopolistic outcomes. Google is not your friend, unless you're a Google stockholder.

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    2. Re:Fuck Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...unless you're a Google stockholder.

      Who isn't?
      Maybe its time to re-examine your portfolio.

    3. Re:Fuck Google by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Ethics forbids me from investing in them. Their "do no evil" mantra was an insidious lie.

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  4. Came To This City by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With only internet. No phone. No TV. No thanks.

    1. Re:Came To This City by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With only internet. No phone. No TV. No thanks.

      Your retirement home doesn't need gigabit speeds anyway, gramps.

      Ask your grand kids if they use a land line phone or cable TV. (Spoiler: The answer is no, they don't.)

    2. Re:Came To This City by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All your grandkids will be dead. Drugs addicted bozos, walking into traffic without looking, and, worse, neo-nazi Trumpers.

    3. Re: Came To This City by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All my grandparents are dead. All my parents will be dead. All my children will be dead. All my grandchildren will be dead. :(

  5. No it didn't by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

    Seen through that lens, Google Fiber succeeded wildly. It stimulated the incumbents to accelerate their own infrastructure investments by several years.

    No, it didn't. If infrastructure investments had accelerated, I would be able to get AT&T U-verse. But I'm still stuck with AT&T DSL with max down speed of 6Mbps.

    1. Re:No it didn't by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Also, Google Fiber spurred development of AR and stimulates the IoT? Come on...

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    2. Re:No it didn't by novakyu · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's time to say good-bye to AT&T (DSL or otherwise). I did about 4 years ago, when my home DSL was down for a whole week (no explanation, no refunds) and I figured out after some calculation that hotspot plans could actually replace DSL now in my area.

  6. Bribing the government? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People forgot that the main reason Google Fiber failed was because immediate legislation passed basically everywhere, as local fiber networks not owned by communications companies became illegal. The reason it is a $60 billion dollar industry is because they will do anything not to chew into their profit margins. There's a reason that 3 of the top 5 companies that top lobbying expenditures are in that business.

    1. Re:Bribing the government? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Citation needed.

  7. US the ignorant arrogants. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Just goes to show what a bunch of dedicated monopolies can do to halt progress and innovation in its tracks, also helps being a fat immovable b'stard.

  8. true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm literally across the street from the boundary for Google fiber availability, which would be extremely annoying but for the fact that Centurylink has stepped up with fiber to the home for the area.

    1. Re: true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anything from CenturyLink can be stopped with enough cleansing fire.

      Don't hesitate with the blowtorch.

    2. Re: true by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Anything from CenturyLink can be stopped with enough cleansing fire...

      CenturyLink is a DSL provider in most places. It can be stopped by just being out of sight of the nearest switch.

  9. The Gigs by darkain · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google never had deployment plans in my area (~35mi outside of Seattle). But ya'know what? As much as I hate em, I'm currently sitting on symetrical gigabit fiber, 100% unmetered, all ports unfiltered, with an entire block of IP addresses from CenturyLink. Prior to this rollout, they only offered 3mbps DLS in my area. We had city provided cable internet before that, but the city cannot get their heads out of their asses. They're STILL debating on upgrading to DOCSIS 3.1 many years later, and their AS only has 1 upstream connection (that has gone offline countless times).

    Also, it isn't JUST about total bandwidth, but also about latency. I'm currently sitting at ~2-3ms round trip times to major providers in Seattle such as Google and the new 1.1.1.1 DNS resolver. Previously with cable, if I were lucky I'd get ~16-20ms latency when the routing tables were not fucked up, and over 80ms latency when they decided that Seattle was far away and should route through San Jose instead (sometime it would fuck up worse and route through New York, and on one occasion it even routed through London)

    1. Re:The Gigs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nothing wrong with a trip to London.
      jrjrjr

  10. Survival and defence by Build6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google Fiber, Project Fi - I've always looked at things like these as basically Google telling the telcos that, if they really had to, they could compete directly against them.

    A problem for Google (exacerbated with the end of net neutrality) is that the telcos etc. who have the "last mile" to the actual people that Google depends on to survive, could choke off Google's air (this is the same reason why Google decided they needed their own mobile OS and bought Android and causing a break with their previously-happy relationship with Apple).

    It's a matter of survival for Google that, if they had to, if all the telcos suddenly imposed fees on Google/advertisers since, hey, "you're making money off OUR customers", they could pour some of the money they have into making Google Fiber, Fi a full-blown competitor, as opposed to a "project".

    It's a signal to the telcos "I could kill you if you make me need to, so let's just carry on with the status quo shall we?". Their very existence and the visible ability to scale up if they have to, is all Google really wants - all other benefits (improving internet access overall etc.) are bonuses.

    1. Re:Survival and defence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, Google can buy itself such "insurance". The tragedy is that no potential future competitor can, thus the whole thing is a gigantic threat to competition. Even more tragic is the fact that telcos this way re-enforce the near monopoly that is a significant threat to them.
      Similar thing with a stupid law in German that search engines must pay to show even excerpts of news articles. The result was as expected:
      - Google got an exception because newspapers couldn't afford to lose traffic from them
      - Everyone else is too small to bring in enough money
      - Everyone else is also too small to be able to afford the fees, thus they can't show news and can't compete against Google.
      The result? Newspapers are now ever more at the mercy of Google because they killed the competition. And they are not actually getting any money out of it. The only one winning is Google, and contrary to the US that doesn't even have the advantage of money going into your own economy.
      If there was ever proof just how big idiots many politicians are when it comes to technology that one is it.
      Now they want to do the same on EU level. So far nobody has explained how this would have any better results. (and yes, forbidding the free licensing to Google has been tried, too, in Spain. There Google stop its news stream service, with the result that newspapers now earn LESS money than before, and the small ones might even die because of it - I guess it just MIGHT benefit the biggest 1-2 newspapers, so congrats on turning the newspaper market into a near-monopoly, too. What could go wrong with that...).

    2. Re:Survival and defence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not defense. Google is pushing the market in the direction it wants: With low broadband availability and speeds, people can't and won't rely on the cloud. Google wants people to stop handling their data offline, out of its reach. Chromebooks have minimal storage. Google needs the internet to be faster and ubiquitous and that's why Google is not actually defending the open web but forcing the ISPs to do Google's bidding.

    3. Re:Survival and defence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I love my Google fiber - THEY own that "last mile" to my house, which happens to be fiber, from their fiber node at the end of the street.

      Even if they were to completely abandon their fiber network and sell out to someone else, at least in my neck of the woods I'd have FTTH instead of a telco trying to find yet another way to cram bits down an aging POTS copper line to my house that they refuse to replace.

      Also, it's not just Google. I happen to have TWO FTTH installations to my home: one from Google, and one from Consolidated Communications (used to be SureWest, which used to be Everest). They have a great reputation and very reasonable prices.

      I don't know about other areas, but it gives me hope that there are places where I can get reasonable prices for Gig internet, over fiber (or at least NEW copper), with good performance and support.

  11. As if ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other ideas might be because my little son ate his soup/watched too much Netflix since 2010 fast internet succeeded.

    It is astonishing to see such dross published by Harvard.

  12. Almost positive by beep54 · · Score: 1

    that Google Fiber WAS just simply introduced to goose the market. And I also don't think that they expected the response to be so g-dammed slow.

  13. Backfired by mentil · · Score: 1

    Remember this Slashdot story from a week ago? Poking ISPs with a stick (e.g. with the One Touch Make Ready push) caused them to fight back, now they're trying to get laws passed that would regulate Google's data in transit (along with other edge providers'.) Maybe don't call it a victory for Google just yet.

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  14. I am in a Google Fiber city, by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and I've posted this on Slashdot before, but I'll post it again.

    This article is spot on.

    Before Google Fiber came to town, getting and using broadband in this area was painful. It was the "telephone company utility" model. Everything had to be done by phone, with tons of time on hold. Installation was workmen with a clipboard, scheduled weeks out. You'd get 5mbps for $$ or 10mbps for $$$ or 50mbps for $$$$, no higher tier than 50mbps without paying for "business service" at the level of $500-$1k monthly. And those were your choices from every carrier. You never reached more than 25-40% of advertised speed up or down. Service was terrible and unreliable and if there was an outage you could be offline for weeks waiting for a service appointment. Account changes or cancellations were a by-telephone nightmare that were virtually destined to go wrong each time. And technical questions about configuration, blocked ports, etc.? Good luck. It was all a black box to the customer service lines. Far easier to figure such things out empirically yourself.

    Then, Google Fiber came to down. Installations scheduled online. Accounts administered online, everything from payment to plan selection and changes. Transparency in equipment and documentation. And either 5mbps for FREE, 100mbps for $ or 1gb for $$, what had previously been the 5 or 10mbps cost with other carriers. Installations done in just days, rather than weeks out, by friendly people in branded vans. You get 100% of advertised speed, 24 hours a day, sustained. Outages are virtually unheard of, but if a tree does come down and knock out a line, it's fixed in a couple hours, not weeks. A walk-in Google Fiber store where you can actually talk tech details and they understand everything you're saying. It was like we jumped from 1995 to the present in a single month.

    And within weeks, every other carrier had boosted their minimum residential offering to 50mbps and were suddenly offering and deploying gigabit residential fast as they possibly could, at (interestingly enough) exactly the same price as Google. Service improved drastically and they suddenly started to talk tech in their ads.

    It does basically feel like Google was tired of seeing their growth limited by a bunch of small timers trying to pick the pockets of the public, so they came in and said "OYA? We're Google. FU." and got everyone gigabit. And for the other carriers it became a case of "either play fair or get fucked." So they played fair and then Google was happy to back off. If they hadn't, I wonder if Google would have continued and just put them all out of business. My impression is that Google doesn't necessarily want to be in the broadband business, but that they want to make damn sure the public has access to legitimate contemporary "broadband" pipes.

    I understand that Google has an interest in this, but I don't mind at all. I'm happy to let Google profit if I get rock-solid up/down gigabit fiber with online administration for what was previously the cost of flaky 10 megabit down/768k up copper administered by an idiot bureaucracy behind a 2 hour telephone wait.

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    1. Re:I am in a Google Fiber city, by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Hey, nobody's arguing that Google didn't improve service where they actually deployed. In fact the "over the top" improvement in speed and service might be indicative of them creating a "model service" rather than the blueprint for a widescale rollout. And obviously they did some damage control where they did deploy or announced plans to deploy. But did they really light a fire under the entire market, or did they just "contain" Google and carry on making tons of money elsewhere? I mean the broadband market has not been standing still in any country, it's not like Google Fiber can claim credit for every improvement that's happened since. There will never be an exact answer to this, but this article smells a solid exaggeration.

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    2. Re:I am in a Google Fiber city, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kjellen opined:

      Hey, nobody's arguing that Google didn't improve service where they actually deployed. In fact the "over the top" improvement in speed and service might be indicative of them creating a "model service" rather than the blueprint for a widescale rollout. And obviously they did some damage control where they did deploy or announced plans to deploy. But did they really light a fire under the entire market, or did they just "contain" Google and carry on making tons of money elsewhere? I mean the broadband market has not been standing still in any country, it's not like Google Fiber can claim credit for every improvement that's happened since. There will never be an exact answer to this, but this article smells a solid exaggeration.

      It's not an exaggeration at all - but it's important to understand that the effect of Google FIber on the high-speed ISP market was limited strictly to the USA, because it wasn't available outside the U.S. That was because Google specifically set out to disrupt the marketplace in this country, firstly, I suspect, because it's such a tech-intensive society, and secondly because the marketplace here was so badly behind in making true broadband service available to end users.

      The FCC and the U.S. Congress are largely to blame for the latter. Despite billions of dollars in giveaways to the telecoms for the ostensible purposes of providing landline service across the country (the vast, rural areas of which are very-thinly populated, which makes providing service there an order of magnitude more expensive than in densely-populated urban areas, or in less-populated, but relatively affluent suburbs), and, more recently, universal broadband service, the telcos and cable MSOs that are the nation's primary (and most wealthy) broadband ISPs largely ignored those goals, and focused, instead, on increasing their profit by dragging their feet on infrastructure upgrades, while pocketing the generous Federal grant money, serene in their confidence that the government was never going to take them to task over their ... well ... theft.

      And, yes, the whole monopolistic model of cable tv "franchises" in urban areas - as important as it was to the initial growth of the cable industry back in the 1970's - certainly didn't help foster competition for broadband customers. Who "owns the poles" has everything to do with how difficult it is for new players to enter those markets by providing their own infrastructure, rather than leasing and reselling bandwidth on the incumbents' networks.

      Enter Google, which has the wealth and influence to break the grip of the incumbents by wooing local governments to rule that Google Fiber is not a competitor for cable TV service, and thus is not restricted by existing franchise agreements from building its own fiber network to provide broadband Internet service, as long as it does not offer its own TV programming as part of the service. (YouTube doesn't count, because it's a streaming service, like Netflix, rather than an aggregator of TV "channel" offerings, à la the late, unlamented Time Warner.

      The threat of actual competition from a player with the resources to threaten their cozy, little embezzlement scheme forced the bigs to offer comparable service levels and pricing in cities where Google FIber was offered. That opened the floodgates, and today I get 100mbps service from Spectrum (which, interestingly enough, still has me making my checks payable to Time Warner!) for about $65/month, even though I live in rural, southern Ohio, where the highest bandwidth that money could buy me was just 20mbps less than two years ago - and the nearest Google Fiber offering is hundreds of miles from here.

      So, no, the conclusion that, if the aim of Google Fiber was to disrupt the broadband industry, it succeeded brilliantly is no exaggeration - but you have to experience it elsewhere than cities where GF itself is available to appreciate its accuracy.

    3. Re:I am in a Google Fiber city, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The primary business model is MONOPOLY with attendant shitty service and shitty pricing. 5G wireless threatens incumbent wire/cable/fiber operators.
      Supposedly AT&T dumped 5G participation as they may have seen the threat to their hardwired monopoly.
      The only thing that threatens 5G is fiber. OK, its nice to have steaming video on your phone, but 4k video is not needed here.
      Between two stationary points fiber is the best choice, and thats where cable and telephone monopolies have the advantage.
      5G may be the reason why these monkeys are starting to dig pipes in the ground. As much as I dislike the idea of 5G radiation the threat to the incumbents asshole wire operators is the only good thing about 5G.
      Community fiber would be ideal, but thats for unicorns and rainbows.

    4. Re:I am in a Google Fiber city, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much speed and bandwidth do you actually need? I had G Fiber, but only the 100 plan because there was no point to gig tier. On top of that, fiber was shit for advanced users since they dumbed down the interface so you could only touch the most basic of settings.

      I live somewhere where there is fiber, but what is the point in overpaying for a service I don't really need?

    5. Re:I am in a Google Fiber city, by aussersterne · · Score: 1

      I work remotely for a company that works with large volumes of data. I routinely have to pass gigabytes back and forth—and having gigabit fiber enables me to do that very quickly, in just a few minutes, rather than having to plan ahead for hours of transfer time.

      As far as the interface goes—the fiber.google.com interface is very simple BUT the router itself has a web-based interface on its internal IP address. At least mine does. Did you check yours while you had the service?

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  15. Google is not your friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just wish people would stop seeing Google as their white knight. The enemy of your enemy is not automatically your friend. Google wants you to move your data online, where Google can analyze and monetize it.

  16. No, Google Fiber Failed by rsmith-mac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As much as I want to champion Google's efforts here, I feel like TFA is just trying to find a way to spin a failure as a success. Which is understandable, as that's a very human thing to do.

    None the less, Google Fiber was absolutely a failure. Google threw down a ton of money on infrastructure they either never completed (Portland), or they completed systems and will probably never make back their initial investment (Kansas City). With Google's massive bank account it wasn't quite a boondoggle, but it none the less cost the company a lot of money.

    And the reason it failed is because the company in turn failed to take into account where the wireless market would be 5 years down the line after they started. Starting in 2012 the big 4 wireless carriers hit the ground running on LTE, and hard. The end result is that while LTE offers a fraction of the performance of a good coaxial cable or fiber system, it covers something like 98% of the US population. It's everywhere, and in most places it's even kind of, sort of okay. And with everyone owning a cell phone anyhow, we're now seeing some cord cutters cut the hardline entirely and work entirely off of wireless. All of which has obliterated the critical mass of consumers required to fund a major new infrastructure build-out.

    I admire Google's intentions, and I really wish I had some fiber myself. But they started building a fiber network right when consumers started switching to wireless. So it was just a good old fashioned failure: they built something that not enough people wanted.

    1. Re:No, Google Fiber Failed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I also think they underestimated costs. Software companies do that alot. I am in Austin and told a friend, fiber is NEVER coming to our neighborhood. Why? 3 reasons. All utilities are underground, houses are spaced about 100' apart, ground is rock. So trenching is going to cost a fortune for not many customers. They never came. In Austin, they picked off exactly what I expected, poles in fairly dense parts of the city. Color me surprised.

    2. Re:No, Google Fiber Failed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is 2018. I just moved from, apparently from a connectivity utopia. I had 3-4 choices (700+ mbps) for high speed internet, and my cell coverage was spectacular (5 bar signal strength)

      My new place has spectrum DOCSIS 3.0 not even upgraded. I have their best package and it sucks. I get buffering streaming, and forget to browse on your phone while streaming. Spectrum cant even get a purchased DOCSIS modem to work. I have to use their equipment. I have filed a FCC complaint, but it did not help. There are so many complaints I have about spectrum I cant list here. Cell coverage is horrible, I am lucky if my phone stays registered to the tower with 1 bar signal strenght. I have my requests and complaints to my cell provider. I get a lot of "yeah we know, sorry" and no help.... Sad I will have to live with this until I move... Which I am planning, just because I have seemed to move into a technology dead zone.

      Can I pay to run my own fiber at a reasonable cost? like less than 3 grand? how? lol 2018

  17. Chris saw Google "fiber" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and started eating it! I guess that explains this...

  18. Nah by Gabest · · Score: 1

    The same can be said about Europe where we had fiber much faster and cheaper and all the other things as well. It has nothing to do with Google.

  19. Excuse me? by jon3k · · Score: 4, Funny

    New applications and new industries emerged, including virtual reality and the Internet of Things, proving the viability of an "if you build it, they will come" strategy for gigabit services.

    What in the world did gigabit internet have to do with IoT or VR? The only thing gigabit did for IoT was allow massive DDoS of never before seen sizes when someone connected their unpatched refrigerator or lightbulb.

    1. Re:Excuse me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IoT was impossible without high-speed internet and ipv6.

  20. No Google Fiber here, unfortunately. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Important quotes from the parent comment:

    "Before Google Fiber came to town, getting and using broadband in this area was painful."

    "Everything had to be done by phone, with tons of time on hold."

    "Installation was workmen with a clipboard, scheduled weeks out."

    "You never reached more than 25-40% of advertised speed up or down."

    "Service was terrible and unreliable and if there was an outage you could be offline for weeks waiting for a service appointment."

    "Account changes or cancellations were a by-telephone nightmare that were virtually destined to go wrong each time."

    That was the "Don't be evil" Google. Now Google is poorly managed, in my opinion. Now I see lots of complaints about Google on Slashdot.

    Also, as others have mentioned, in Europe there is much better service than in the United States. That's because, in the United States, the government does whatever it is paid by rich people to do, many people say. Local government prevented improvements by making destructive laws. One reason is that often incompetent people are elected.

  21. We were lucky enough... by spywhere · · Score: 1

    ...to live in one of the areas Verizon chose to string fiber, hoping to compete with Comcast (and replace their POTS wiring in the process).
    At first, we didn't want to connect to their fiber. We were getting 120 Mbps down and 15 Mbps upstream from Comcast, and we had ended our home phone service with Verizon when we took Comcast's bundle.
    Then, we started having reliability problems with Comcast, just as my increasing workload from home was hampered by their slow upload speeds.

    So, I went with 150 Mbps Fios, and I had the installer run the fiber right through the wall into our home so I could power everything with a large UPS. It solved our reliability and bandwidth issues handily. A few years later, we went with "gigabit" -- actually, about 850-900 Mbps in both directions. It's been very reliable, and we have more bandwidth for our home than many of the 200- to 300-bed nursing homes I support from my home office.

    If Google had anything to do with the 900 Mbps pipeline running right into my office, then I thank them.

  22. Most didn't need it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the failure was that Google thought everyone needed and wanted the most speed possible and would pay a high monthly fee to get it. Google probably should have focused more on business solutions then consumer ones. I don't even buy into the fasted broadband from my cable company. They may tell me I need it, but in fact I really don't. Businesses with many systems accessing the internet at the same time and using cloud systems could benefit from this sort of bandwidth.

  23. Most places did it wrong by Burdell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm typing on my Google Fiber in Huntsville, Alabama. Rather than let Google Fiber be just another company digging up people's yards and running another privately-owned infrastructure, the local city-owned utility company is building out the fiber plant to the curb (useful to them to allow smart metering and such). Google Fiber then just runs from the curb to the house. The infrastructure is open access; any company that wants to build into the fiber huts is able (and there are other companies getting into the game).

    This is the perfect model IMHO; I don't really want my government running the Internet access, but I also don't want 27 different companies digging up my yard to run their fiber/wire down the street. The city-owned utility will deliver fiber past every address in town, so Google Fiber will be available to everyone, not just pockets here and there. And if they don't succeed/stick around, the hardest part of building a competitor (the last mile) will be done, so others can come in and compete with much lower start-up costs.

    1. Re:Most places did it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^^^ This ^^^

      Comcast/Verizon/AT&T will never be the companies to champion open networks.

    2. Re:Most places did it wrong by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      That's the utility-common carrier model for deployment, which is how it will probably all shake out in the end.

      Imagine the potential of a national backbone of exceedingly high capacity fiber, run along Interstate Highways. Telecom companies and municipal services would lease connections to it at their local freeway exit.

  24. Unpopular Opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unpopular opinion:
    Fiber/1gig service is unnecessary for 95% of cases. I work for an ISP and core reason we offer higher-tiered plans is to entice you to buy our middle-tier ones. It's the same logic as having 3 sizes for your fast-food combo meals. Most people do not need the additional bandwidth and do not subscribe to the higher ones. Google Fiber failed not only because it's legit a pain in the ass to get a foot in the residential internet market, but because most people simply do not need it.

    1. Re:Unpopular Opinion... by darkain · · Score: 2

      It all depends on use cases. Being in the gaming media scene, upload bandwidth for live streaming on sites like Twitch simply wasn't possible with services like Comcast Cable, because their upload was so fucking horribly slow. Yeah, 150mbps down is plenty for most, but having like 5mbps upload when you're trying to stream and game at the same time is total hell. Have more than 1 streamer on that connection, and you're screwed. The main point is this: with the internet service now available, these other services become more accessible to more people, so they'll get more widely used, and newer services will be developed. It is a chicken/egg scenario that Google helped squash out entirely. High upstream bandwidth services are now plentiful thanks to this expansion, regardless if people "use it now", it means they have the option to use it later when they want.

    2. Re:Unpopular Opinion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know what you mean. $40 for 70 or $80 for 250. I need a bigger epeen. 250 it is.

  25. Most people just dont need that much speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My ISP keeps trying to sell me on the next higher speed, but i dont see any reason to upgrade. 15mb is -plenty- fast for netflix & everything else.

    Despite what the salesbots tell you you dont need 500 megs to stream video, never did & never will.

    1. Re: Most people just dont need that much speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speak for yourself. 15mb is way too slow for my needs. I agree gigabit is overkill for now 100-300 is not. My family goes over 100 fairly often and sometimes I actually max out our gigabit line.

      I remember when we had 15mb that line was constantly saturated.

    2. Re:Most people just dont need that much speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      15Mb?! WTF kind of anemic speed is that? I can get faster than that from free general public Wifi that covers much of the city from the local ISP. Slowest rate is 70 for $40

  26. Google announced their goal ahead of time by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Prior to building out any fiber, Google announced what the goal was for the project. Their announced goal was to give the industry a kick in the pants so that more people would have better internet service in order to make use of Google services like YouTube and Google Docs. They never said they planned to make a bunch of money from the project directly. The success of the project should be measured against its goals.

    Since Google's stated intent was spur other companies to get off their butts and make improvements, the fact that Google spent money trying to accomplish this doesn't make it a failure. The relevant questions are:

    Did internet service improve in the areas that Google either deployed fiber or "threatened" to? (Yes)
    Did service improve in other geographic areas as part of an overall change spurred by Google fiber? (Data needed)

    Google, aka YouTube aka Google Docs aka Android doesn't care too much whether the fast, reliable service you use for watching YouTube is wired or wireless. They only care about how much time you spend watching YouTube, as opposed to television or something else. If new wireless deployments mean people watch more YouTube, that's a win for Google. In fact, because Android is Google, they'd prefer wireless to wired.

    Not that Google cares that much, but physics presents some very major hurdles for wireless to ever get any better than it already is in areas with up-to-date deployments. At usable frequencies, there is only so much bandwidth for everyone in the neighborhood to share. Higher bandwidth requires higher frequencies, higher frequencies don't go through walls.

    It's looking very much like "wireless" is becoming more and more basically commercial wifi - the company rolls fiber past your house and the wireless portion is just the last few hundred feet. It's a fiber deployment wearing a mask of wireless.

  27. Site uses a paywall by tepples · · Score: 1

    Re read the article.

    I would, but my current subscription package does not include Harvard Business Review.

  28. You don't need a bundle by tepples · · Score: 1

    As for phone:
    Once you have Internet, you can sign up for magicJack or another VoIP provider. Or consider $25/mo wireless home phone service from AT&T or Verizon.

    As for TV:
    In the United States, you don't need a monthly fee to receive free-to-air TV broadcasts from local affiliates of PBS and the four major commercial broadcast networks unless you live in a remote area over 75 miles from the tower. Unlike some other countries, which fund public broadcasting through a separately assessed capitation, the USA has no "TV license": CPB's share of PBS and NPR funding comes from income tax. (The rest comes from contributions to local affiliates from viewers like you. Thank you!)

    1. Re:You don't need a bundle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phone for 25 a month? How much for unlimited international (free now)?

      Got to have cnn,msnbc,foxnews,cnni,c-spans, syfy,fx,fxx,science,elrey,ifc,sundance,tcm, and a few others.

      Local channels are in two paths, west and south east. I need to rotate the antenna to get them all. Try that.

      I don't like paying 200 a month for internet, tv, and phone. Google internet would be 55 (only available option is internet; G throws in youtube-tv I think, whatever that is), plus whatever taxes and fees. My current inet speed/latency is acceptable, at 120/12 (twc; spectrum starts at twice that now, but notice I won't switch just for that bump), with typical cable latencies.

      Besides,

      When Google F!ck came to this city, my road, it dug its little trench with one company. This one also tarred over the trench. Yes, it fucked up the road. Ride a bike on that tarred over trench and you will have a wheel grabber.

      Between the trenching and the tarring, ANOTHER company laid the line down the trench, but before that, it sawed from the trench to the curb (cutting through the curb) and dug a hole. Remember this hole.

      After tarring, a THIRD company did the hookup in the hole, to the line in the trench, and then covered the sawed, second trench. By the way, they dug up the same hole again.

      After that, a FOURTH company then trenched from the hole at the curb, to the drop location. This was a mess. Dragged this huge machine over MY driveway on MY property, leaving a series of long deep scraps on my concrete driveway.

      After that, a FIFTH company, perhaps the same that laid the line in the prior-made trenches, laid the line from the hole at the curb to the drop. Again, re-digging up that same hole. By hand.

      After that, then a guy in your google-branded half-van thing hooked up the line at the curb hole, and at the drop hole, and attached line to the box at the house, and did whatever he did inside the neighbor's house. Took him a couple of hours for this.

      From security cam video.

      This is not something that one can just call and order. It was available to order for just a few weeks. It took then 2 months to complete the trenching and line lay. Yes, two months. Took another two weeks after those five companies finished to get the google guy to show up after that. Now no one can order it, assuming they even wanted just internet.

      And that hole, that was dug up 3 times? It still looks like shit after google left, with dug up rock all over the place. No putting down sod, or saving the existing lawn that was there to put back. I'd like to slap whoever was in charge of this cluster fuck of stupid.

      Then again,

      If Gfi had tv and phone, like they do in Austin, I would have considered it. Austin gig is 70 a month. I priced tv and phone with it and for some weird reason, it would also have been around 200 a month. Only difference, gig connection.

    2. Re:You don't need a bundle by tepples · · Score: 1

      Phone for 25 a month? How much for unlimited international (free now)?

      International calls are free between two PCs running Skype, between a PC running Skype and a smartphone running Skype, or between two smartphones running Skype. The same is true of other VoIP applications: as long as both sides are using the same application over the Internet, calls are free. Which foreign contacts without a PC or smartphone do you call, or call you, regularly?

      Got to have cnn,msnbc,foxnews,cnni,c-spans, syfy,fx,fxx,science,elrey,ifc,sundance,tcm, and a few others.

      Instead of watching news on TV, you could read news on websites. Instead of linearly programmed movie and scripted series channels, you could subscribe to Netflix.

      Local channels are in two paths, west and south east. I need to rotate the antenna to get them all. Try that.

      Could you use two directional antennas and switch between them?

  29. Verizon home LTE cap is still ridiculously low by tepples · · Score: 1

    Google, aka YouTube aka Google Docs aka Android doesn't care too much whether the fast, reliable service you use for watching YouTube is wired or wireless. They only care about how much time you spend watching YouTube

    But the 10 GB/mo cap typical of wireless home Internet (source: Verizon LTE Internet (Installed)) won't allow for much YouTube time.

    1. Re:Verizon home LTE cap is still ridiculously low by raymorris · · Score: 1

      Specifically:
      1080p at standard frame rate is 8mbps.
      That's 1MBps, so 10GB is 10,000 seconds.
      10,000 seconds is 2.8 hours per month, at 1080p.

    2. Re:Verizon home LTE cap is still ridiculously low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming that is all you did. My phone which connects to my wifi pulled 800MB last month, I just looked. I don't even browse on my phone. I think it updated a bunch of apps and blew close to a gig. 10GB/month is low even for me, and I don't use U-Tube or stream anything.

  30. Stimulating competition did work by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

    While Google Fiber was not exactly a success in its rollout, it did force the legacy large-scale Internet providers to substantially speed up their download speeds. For example, it forced Comcast to accelerate its rollout of DOCSIS 3.1 gigabit Internet service over cable lines, which is already available in many areas Comcast services. At gigabit speeds, true streaming of ATSC 3.0 video (ATSC 3.0 includes a streaming video standard) now becomes practical.

  31. ... you just need to shove the internet up you ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You got a lot of whydonyousettleforthis, as if skpe today will be around next year - may be, but in yet again some other form/support -, and as if infowars is a news outlet, as if I want multiple antenna, let alone switch among them while I try to find a local channel that unlikely has anything I watch, neverumind the weather.

  32. FiOS anyone? by evanchik · · Score: 1

    I know im in the NYC metro area (NYC, Connecticut, New Jersey) and would say its about 40% covered, and still depending where you live, you wont get service, as your huge condo apartment complex , all tenants are required to use "a specific cable" Its now cheaper to have a 1000/880 line then it is to have a 50/50 line when i went to upgrade my plan.