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Facebook is Equipping K-8 Classrooms With Robot Sets To Boost Tech Diversity

Posted by msmash on from the further-push dept.

Long time reader theodp writes: Facebook last week announced the launch of CodeFWD, "a free online education program created in partnership with [robotic toy maker] Sphero to increase the amount of underrepresented and female students interested in studying computer science." Sphero and CodeFWD are offering a free Sphero BOLT Power Pack (a classroom set of 15 robots valued at $2,499) for a select number of accepted applicants through the program. So, what do you need to begin CodeFWD by Facebook? "No experience necessary. No experience preferred ," explains the website. However, that's not to say CodeFWD is for all. "CodeFWD is intended for educators who are credentialed K-12 teachers or 501(c)(3) non-profit staff members in the United States," the website makes clear, adding that "given the limited supply of robots, we will evaluate the information you've provided and prioritize those applications that help us achieve the goal of expanding access to computer programming opportunities." And Facebook, being Facebook, adds that it wants some data out of the deal: "Please note that Facebook will have access to aggregate, anonymous usage data from Sphero, but will not have access to user-identifiable data collected by Sphero."

63 comments

  1. Not sure I like by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not sure I like Facebook having ANY presence in the classroom even if it's trying to help.

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    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    1. Re:Not sure I like by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure I like Facebook having ANY presence in the classroom even if it's trying to help.

      Sure, but it is unfair to blame Facebook for this. They are being pressured to "do something" about diversity, and this is "something".

    2. Re:Not sure I like by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Are they supplying robots with spatula attachments?

      Otherwise, just toys for the boys.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    3. Re:Not sure I like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they should realize that certain groups just don't want to do certain jobs. :-\ There saved a lot of time and money and making people feel inferior by making laws or programs to force people to do things.

    4. Re:Not sure I like by nwf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sure Facebook wants kids from all ages, genders and races to become mindless drones that give away their privacy for precious little in return.

      Soon, we'll be hearing stiff like this, "Teacher, your pupils have not been actively engaging with Facebook sufficiently to ensure timely deliveries of educational supplies. Please encourage your children to not be left behind."

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      I don't know, but it works for me.
    5. Re:Not sure I like by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      It's Facebook's money. They can do with it what they want. If you're really concerned that much, take it up at the next share holder meeting if you own any stock. If you don't, why do you care what they do with their money?

    6. Re:Not sure I like by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure I like Facebook having ANY presence in the classroom even if it's trying to help.

      The Cambridge Analytica/Facebook conglomerate knows you have to get their data early and often.

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    7. Re:Not sure I like by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It's Facebook's money. They can do with it what they want.

      So you are saying that school boards have no say in this?

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    8. Re: Not sure I like by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      School boards are filled with people who have too much time on their hands. That typically means religious folk trying to shove more Jesus into the lessons or the new religious sort trying to shove more wokeness into lessons.

      And if Facebook is serious about targeting poorer communities, I doubt the school boards will complain about the extra opportunity whether it is truly beneficial or not.

    9. Re: Not sure I like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      increase the amount of underrepresented and female students

      So are they saying they are only concerned about underrepresented students if they are female, or that they are trying to increase female students even if they aren't underrepresented?
      Either way, the bias against men is obvious.

    10. Re:Not sure I like by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      They are trying to make coding more fun, so more people will participate. Only one problem with that, what happens when they go to work, get shoved in a cubicle and code all day every day and not a toy robot to play with in kilometres.

      So diversity, stop people doing what they are naturally inclined to do as a result of genetics and get other people to do it regardless of their lack of inclination.

      So generally force people into careers they will hate, why because the people doing the forcing are a pack of control freak cunts, seems the most reasonable answer. You know the kind, you remember them from school, they knew how to do everything better than everyone else but when they actually tried to do it, they routinely failed but they never ever slowed them down from telling everyone how to do it properly.

      They seem to be pandering to them for political purposes. For all the world it seems they want males to vote Republican and females to vote democrat and keep the vote divide, whilst they run their corrupt cons.

      If you enjoy coding it is fun and if you do not, it is as fucking boring as fuck. Trying to make it fun when teaching it, will not make it one iota more fun when it becomes a job. Teaching should reflect the job, so children do not make poor career choices, you fucking morons, else you create unhappy poorly performing workers who must retrain.

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    11. Re: Not sure I like by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      School boards are filled with people who have too much time on their hands. That typically means religious folk trying to shove more Jesus into the lessons or the new religious sort trying to shove more wokeness into lessons. And if Facebook is serious about targeting poorer communities, I doubt the school boards will complain about the extra opportunity whether it is truly beneficial or not.

      Knowing what I know about facebook, letting them around your children is about as safe as letting Jerry Sandusky babysit yout 10 year old son. Not for the same reason, but just imagine what Disney would pay for children's data.

      I'd pull my kid and put him in a different school.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    12. Re: Not sure I like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see the bias; in fact, the boys are getting the better deal here. They're not targeted for FB's creepy bs, and they get to learn earlier that society does not give a damn about them, beyond what they can offer to others' self-interests.

    13. Re: Not sure I like by houghi · · Score: 1

      Replace gacebook with company and I agree. If you day "... but the state ..." it means you think the democratic process in your country does not work.

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    14. Re:Not sure I like by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You know the kind, you remember them from school, they knew how to do everything better than everyone else but when they actually tried to do it, they routinely failed but they never ever slowed them down from telling everyone how to do it properly.

      At my school, we called them "teacher".

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  2. Men need to take the hint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Delete your Facebook accounts. Facebook doesn't want your kind.

    1. Re:Men need to take the hint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Deleted it 10 years ago.

    2. Re:Men need to take the hint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, me too!

  3. Holy hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would be happy if I could live the rest of my life and never hear or read the word "diversity" ever again.

    1. Re:Holy hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      white male detected

    2. Re: Holy hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Salty niggar and/or cum dumpster detected.

    3. Re:Holy hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      perpetual victim detected

    4. Re:Holy hell by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I once worked for a very well-intentioned liberal white man who once gleefully toted up all the minorities he had hired; I was his Asian. The thing was, except for me every one there came out of the same graduate school program he founded, and I think every last one of them, even his black females, had wealthy lawyers as parents; his latino's father was some kind of government minister in Mexico. I was the only one there with a working class, inner city background, and believe me, I felt it. Certainly having him identify me as a his token Asian didn't make me feel valued, as an Asian or anything else.

      Actually diversity *is* valuable to organizations as a counterpoint to another thing organizations need: cohesion. Cohesion without diversity equals group think; it leads to blind spots. That's how you get some outrageously tone-deaf PR campaigns, like Nivea's "White is Purity" campaign, or Pepsi's infamous Kendall Jenner campaign.

      Now my coworkers at this place were smart, cultured, and genuinely good people, but they were just *outrageously* condescending, and they couldn't see it because they were constantly reinforcing their own shared world views. Now I'm very liberal myself, but when some wealthy white woman talks about "privilege" it can set my teeth on edge. I understand the point she's trying to make, and it's not that she's wrong, but that's just a horribly tone deaf piece of jargon. Can you imagine how that sounds to a middle aged man who just lost his job at the mill? Lack of economic diversity means you can use that kind of jargon and never see the downside, like Nivea's "White is Purity" campaign.

      I think my take away from that job is that a spot check of skin color, gender, and ethnicity can tell you if you *lack* diversity. But it can't tell you that you *have* diversity. The whole point of diversity in an organization is to provide situational awareness and flexibility in thinking.

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    5. Re:Holy hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was his Asian.

      I wish you people would learn how to drive and how to swim.

    6. Re:Holy hell by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      I think my take away from that job is that a spot check of skin color, gender, and ethnicity can tell you if you *lack* diversity.

      I suppose it can if you think diversity is skin deep. However, I don't believe that your assumption is true.

      The same group that insists that women are no different than men can't also argue that a lack of women would indicate a lack of diversity. If women are truly no different than men, why would you ever need any women (or for that matter men if you want to look at it from the other side) to be diverse since they are no different from men.

      Diversity is only valuable to an organization when it moves past those superficial aspects. Even though I do believe that biological differences in men and women make certain tendencies in values, etc. more likely, I don't feel as though there's any human trait that is the exclusive property of one sex, one ethnicity, etc. The reality of the world might make it less likely for you find certain groups as represented as they might otherwise be due to sociological conditions (e.g. a lower rate of Latino students studying computer science due to that demographic being less well off and less likely to be able to afford early access to computers during the formative years of those students) or other external factors. What might make a person diverse in an organization is not inherent to their sex, skin color, or culture.

      That non superficial diversity is hard to find, which I think is the reason that so many people stop at the skin, and trying to focus on that too intently is only going to create problems. It's much like the dog breeders who bred their animals to enhance certain characteristics while failing to pay attention to the overall effects. Their dogs might have the preferred ear shape or style of tail, but they also unknowingly selected for dogs with deformed skeletal systems or greater propensity for various health maladies.

      A spot check of skin color, gender, etc. might allow you to assign a higher probability to whether or not you lack diversity, but it can't tell you that for certain. As society progresses and more people are lifted out of poverty and as the world's cultures collide and meld, I think it eventually becomes useless as the various correlations (the stereotypes) dissipate and become small to non-existent. If we are all to truly become equal, then those physical traits are just spurious markers. Insistence that those things matter is just heading down the wrong path.

    7. Re:Holy hell by hey! · · Score: 1

      As long as skin color is important to society, then skin color is going to be one genuine axis of diversity, among many.

      Race is scientifically speaking bullshit, but that doesn't mean that the race you're perceived to have makes no difference in your life.

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    8. Re:Holy hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who had a chance of not caring about skin color has been driven off into one extreme or another over the last 6 years.

  4. What the fuck is this bullshit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does msmash continue to shove this Social Justice Warrior bullshit down Slashdot's throats because of preference or because of official policy?

    1. Re:What the fuck is this bullshit? by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      The cynic (or maybe the realist) in me just assumes that they drive page views (and therefore advertising) as opposed to anything more sinister. The social justice agenda doesn't go down terribly well around here and these articles seems unlikely to win anyone over. I think it just comes down the fact that anyone can have an opinion on political issues, and will argue in the comments endless, whereas if you run a story about some niche technology, there are fewer people with the knowledge or expertise to comment.

    2. Re:What the fuck is this bullshit? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      What? SJW and climate stories get more eyeballs than some lame, on-topic, tech-related story.

      The editors know who their masters are and sing their songs, the system works.

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  5. Not necessarily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm picturing something more like this:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/update-kindergarten-teacher-denies-legos-to-boys-in-name-of-gender-equity

  6. Is it underreprented or female or both? by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    I only read the summary.

    Because it should be an OR, unless bookface wants to glean data from both and doesn't care about non-female underrepresented students.

    Also, what does underrepresented actually mean? Amish kids?

  7. Robots. Otherwise known as "students". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given that the educational system rewards memorization and robotic application of patterns to process tasks over thinking for yourself and actually understanding anything...

    I use "robots" in the loosest sense, of course. Since an USB drive with the right interface would probably score the highest score, by far, no matter if it's walking or not.

  8. Oh my by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spying on the kiddies?
    Hacked from outside to do who knows what?

    The possibilities are endless!

  9. FWD? by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    For World Domination?

    Yup, that's Facebook alright.

  10. Not Diverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Facebook wanted to truly represent "diversity" they would introduce a new 'bot every month in a different color and different sexual orientation.

    At some point the number of 'bots would outnumber the number of humans in the classroom and Facebook could then takeover the world based on fault AI algorithms written by their "hyped up on drugs so they don't notice the miserable work conditions and crappy pay" programmers.

    Yeah, that's the answer!

  11. Now all we gotta do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is force the girls to want to take it.

  12. Re:Is it underreprented or female or both? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    Also, what does underrepresented actually mean?

    It means under represented in tech compared to their presence in the general population.

    So anything except a white or Asian male.

    Black, Hispanic, Native American, or female of any race is under represented.

    I spent several years working in after school programs for robots, coding, and GATE (Gifted And Talented Education). I can see some sense in "girl-only" instruction, since boys can get overly enthusiastic about tech, so the girls often pull back and just sit and watch. But this can be addressed by allowing girls to self-segregate into girl-only workgroups.

    For race it make NO SENSE. Black kids do better when intermixed, and kids learn a lot from their peers.

  13. Meanwhile in Appalachia... by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some poor little white boy, who lives with his methhead parents in a run-down trailer with no running water, is asking his teacher if he can have a robot too.

    "Sorry kid. These are just for the under-privileged."

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    1. Re:Meanwhile in Appalachia... by Dusanyu · · Score: 1

      Some poor little white boy, who lives with his methhead parents in a run-down trailer with no running water, is asking his teacher if he can have a robot too.

      "Sorry kid. These are just for the under-privileged."

      Funny thing is if a teacher is even close to worth there salt they will let any student have access to said robot, not to mention the legal ramifications if this were to be challenged in court under "Equal access to education" "Over represented" or "underrepresented" who gives a .... thee interests of any child should be fostered. Funny how people who scream about racism and sexism are the first to apply it, than try to change the definition of the word.

    2. Re:Meanwhile in Appalachia... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      ...then he forces that robot onto some hapless girl who doesn't give a shit about it and could well become the next Nobel prize laureate in medicine because that's what she'd actually be interested in, but she MUST be pushed into STEM.

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    3. Re:Meanwhile in Appalachia... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Maybe you want to look up the meaning of the word "including" before making assumptions like that.

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  14. Let's get real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What Facebook really means is they want to make sure that the robots don't help any white boys. Not unless they can prove their gay that is. People fail to see how this is itself blatantly sexist and racist. How about we focus on things that aren't identity politics?

  15. how does that work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the boys can't play with them? They painted them pink with glitter? They don't respond to white males?

    How do robots specifically help 'underrepresented students' ?
    A teacher and a robot maybe, but the robot is optional believe it or not!

  16. Re:Is it underreprented or female or both? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Also, what does underrepresented actually mean?

    It means under represented in tech compared to their presence in the general population.

    So anything except a white or Asian male.

    Black, Hispanic, Native American, or female of any race is under represented.

    I spent several years working in after school programs for robots, coding, and GATE (Gifted And Talented Education). I can see some sense in "girl-only" instruction, since boys can get overly enthusiastic about tech, so the girls often pull back and just sit and watch. But this can be addressed by allowing girls to self-segregate into girl-only workgroups.

    For race it make NO SENSE. Black kids do better when intermixed, and kids learn a lot from their peers.

    What about Black girls only classes, or transgender only.

    Gender apartheid is rapidly becomeing a liberal touchstone.

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    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  17. Good, I suppose... by Stolovaya · · Score: 1

    I don't really understand how this specifically will target girls and other underrepresenteds? Will white boys not be able to use these? I wouldn't imagine so. It seems like the target should probably be class rather than race or gender. While I give FB kudos for helping spread technology skills around the youth, it feels like they're using race and gender as the "look what we're doing!" since that seems to generate more emotion than poor people.

    So...sure, cool on them for doing this, but the wording is cringey, and it feels like the bragging about something that they're only doing tangentially.

  18. That really isn't the issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And as usual, Silicon Valley has its finger on the pulse of an autustic retard. They really need to get their tiny penises *out* of education. It's a joke, has been for nigh on two decades, and I'm tired of looking at tiny penises. This is about data harvesting and profit, plain and simple, no different from Google.

  19. Facebook JEWS exposed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.

    Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.

    This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):

    Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):

    1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

    2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

    3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen H

  20. Re:Is it underreprented or female or both? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    Also, what does underrepresented actually mean?

    It means under represented in tech compared to their presence in the general population.

    So anything except a white or Asian male.

    Black, Hispanic, Native American, or female of any race is under represented.

    I spent several years working in after school programs for robots, coding, and GATE (Gifted And Talented Education). I can see some sense in "girl-only" instruction, since boys can get overly enthusiastic about tech, so the girls often pull back and just sit and watch. But this can be addressed by allowing girls to self-segregate into girl-only workgroups.

    For race it make NO SENSE. Black kids do better when intermixed, and kids learn a lot from their peers.

    What about Black girls only classes, or transgender only.

    Gender apartheid is rapidly becomeing a liberal touchstone.

    Asking questions is not flame bait slash dotters. Asking questions is looking for answers.

    And modding my post flamebait is merely showing that you know that you don't want to answer the question. Why not?

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  21. What a waste... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...of schoolchildren's time. They should be learning useful, transferable knowledge and skills that'll help them through college/university and life. By the time they graduate, everything they will have learned about robotics will be hopelessly out of date even if it was ever useful to begin with. Industry has a long history of meddling in compulsory education to the detriment of learning outcomes and readiness for post-secondary education.

  22. tech diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "tech diversity" - is that where working class white kids are denied all access to tech education, then spat upon and told to check their privilege?

  23. huh by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    "No experience necessary. No experience preferred ,"

    So, you're an adult, you have the resources and culture to be a certified teacher, you have an aptitude and interest for tech, but you have NO tech experience? Really?

    This is really code for saying we'd prefer you have no aptitude for this. Bizarre.

    "First, we have to make sure you have no aptitude for this."

    Oh brave new world, that has such people in it!

  24. Why not K-9? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't they deserve Facebook?

  25. Re:Is it underreprented or female or both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Asking questions is not flame bait ... modding my post flamebait is merely showing that you know that you don't want to answer the question.

    Given that your "question" in response to the statement: "I can see some sense in "girl-only" instruction ... For race it make NO SENSE" ran "[w]hat about Black (sic) girls only classes ..." what would you prefer the reasonable reader take away? That your reading comprehension or reasoning ability is impaired, or that your "question" was never meant honestly to engage with the previous comment (and therefore demanded no answer)?

    Personally, I would rather be taken to be flaming than to pose publicly as being intellectually challenged. YMMV.

  26. Re:Is it underreprented or female or both? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Asking questions is not flame bait ... modding my post flamebait is merely showing that you know that you don't want to answer the question.

    Given that your "question" in response to the statement: "I can see some sense in "girl-only" instruction ... For race it make NO SENSE" ran "[w]hat about Black (sic) girls only classes ..." what would you prefer the reasonable reader take away? That your reading comprehension or reasoning ability is impaired, or that your "question" was never meant honestly to engage with the previous comment (and therefore demanded no answer)?

    Personally, I would rather be taken to be flaming than to pose publicly as being intellectually challenged. YMMV.

    More questions you ask? Why sure! Uncle Olsoc loves that you ask!

    The question of utmost importance is to ask : Is the goal to have all (career X) to represent the racial and sexual and gender characteristics of society at large?

    Now if the answer is yes, then you must ask "How do I bring this about? If it is decided that girls are intimidated by males and will ofherwise drop out of a career that they had a passion to go into, then yes - you must have girls only classes where they are not discouraged by males. Inclusivity and gender ratio demand it

    Now we might get into why other underrepresented groups are avoiding these careers. If girls only classes succeed in the needed 50.8 to 49.2 distributinon of female to male that is deemed critical to success, then you must ask - can this segregation of women from men help to increase the number of women of dark pigmentation? If so, why would you not have classes that exclude others?

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