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Bill Gates-Backed Social Recommendation App Likewise Now Available for iOS and Android (axios.com)

Bill Gates is not giving up on saving the world, but he is helping launch a new social recommendation engine. Likewise, as the iOS and Android app is known, is designed to be a place to get trusted recommendations on everything from restaurants to books, movies and TV shows. From a report: It won't cure polio or fix the U.S. education system, but Likewise could fill a niche helping people keep track of the books and TV shows their friends recommend as well as to discover new places. The free app, which launches today, began as the brainchild of Larry Cohen, a longtime Gates aide who serves as CEO of Gates Ventures. The Microsoft co-founder is funding the Bellevue, Wash.-based company, which has been working for nearly a year and has about 20 employees. "It's not the next Office, but there's a real need here," Cohen told Axios. Cohen is chairman of Likewise, with his onetime Microsoft colleague Ian Morris serving as CEO.

34 comments

  1. 1984 was not a suggestion, it was a warning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    WTF are these people doing?

    1. Re: 1984 was not a suggestion, it was a warning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another revenue stream for Gates, Inc. ?

      No thank you.

      He already gets funds from every PC...

      The "365" Paid subscription Office & services, Windows 10 Home spying, and cloud capture of your data is also something to skip...

      Your choice, for now...

    2. Re:1984 was not a suggestion, it was a warning. by cayenne8 · · Score: 0
      From the summary:

      Likewise could fill a niche helping people keep track of the books and TV shows their friends recommend

      Err....who the fuck needs an APP for this?

      Don't people naturally discuss the books and TV shows and other interests their friends have and recommend when they are hanging out, talking and spending time with them??

      If not, WTF do they talk about?

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    3. Re:1984 was not a suggestion, it was a warning. by MrMr · · Score: 1

      You clearly don't know what 'friends' are. Talking to, or spending time with, actual people has nothing to do with Bill's concept of a friend.

  2. "The free app ..." by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... my ass.

    Yelp contamination anyone?

    It will be worse than Amazon recommendations, Rotten Tomatoes, Google Reviews, and all those 5-stars from aunts and uncles.

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    1. Re:"The free app ..." by Tsolias · · Score: 1

      since it's backed by gates... it will be bad.

    2. Re:"The free app ..." by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Agree.

      Wanna join a pool about how fast it's hacked?

      I already got the 15-30 minute slot.

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  3. free by Tsolias · · Score: 2

    advertisement.

    1. Re:free by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      advertisement.

      And you can see how much people care about it based on their response. At time I posted this (hours after it was first added) it's still only 28 posts. No one cares about Yet Another social media/ Yet another review site.

      Advertise all they want. Noone cares anymore.

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    2. Re:free by Tsolias · · Score: 1

      the point is that they are going to promote these posts as "we are so credible/important that even slashdot talks about us" even if slashdot readers care or not.

  4. So it's Yelp by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Probably With all the problems that come with Yelp, and if not it will eventually when they want to make more money...

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    1. Re:So it's Yelp by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Probably With all the problems that come with Yelp, and if not it will eventually when they want to make more money...

      I've not really used Yelp that much before, I've occasionally run across it from Google Searches...but that's about it.

      What problems does Yelp have that you are referring to?

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  5. Micro$oft Windoze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wipe that lame operating system off your hard drive and install GNU plus Linux! With free software, you have freedom!

    1. Re:Micro$oft Windoze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By no means: http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Torvalds/index.shtml

      Write your own OS... no, rather build your own hardware down to logic gates or else just keep using Windows. At least you won't be lying to yourself about your privacy, relinquishing an otherwise private if unpleasant truth.

  6. Nah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can ask my friends, family, and coworkers directly. That's called having a conversation.

    Everyone else's opinion is meaningless to me.

  7. Is this for real, or clickbait? by mileshigh · · Score: 1

    The app's name isn't mentioned, not even in original article!

    1. Re:Is this for real, or clickbait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's the first word in the second sentence.

    2. Re:Is this for real, or clickbait? by jtara · · Score: 1

      The app's name isn't mentioned, not even in original article!

      Likewise.

      (Cue Abbot and Castello...)

  8. What the world needed by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Another playground for astroturfers.

    But maybe it's a good thing. If companies gaming the "recommendation system" have to spend more and more money to keep gaming it, maybe they will eventually go bankrupt.

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    1. Re:What the world needed by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I ran a review/rating site over a decade ago. It was the first real website I ever launched and its purpose was to collect reviews and ratings on As Seen On TV products. I had quite a collection of positive and negative reviews on a lot of products. (Including some scary reviews such as multiple claims of chemical burns from a popular hair removal product that was still available last I checked.) Even back then, I'd get a "mysterious" influx of positive reviews for products that all were essentially the same. These all invariably came from the same IP address. Nowadays, I'm sure those astroturfing posts could vary the wording and be run from different IP addresses all to hide the fact that the reviews were faked.

      I know some review sites, like Yelp, have underhanded practices, but I don't envy the honest review sites out there. You constantly need to watch out for and take down fake reviews otherwise any real reviews on your site will just look faked as well. That site will always have a special place in my heart as the first website I ever ran, but I definitely don't miss the work that came from running that site.

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  9. Strange English rules ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does the space seem to bind more tightly than the hyphen or slash in some cases?
    This makes no sense.

    This reads like it is about a billy who did the act of "Gates-backing" (like barebacking?) onto that poor poor social recommendation, at first ...

  10. US only? by JohnStock · · Score: 1

    It seems...

  11. Will It Recommend Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With 2 buttons, a green and a red one, both say install.

  12. Suddenly I feel the need by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    for an electronic condom for my electronics. /s

    I wonder how many boatloads of cash the ad revenue to push "recommendations" to the "users" of this app will pay out;

  13. "there's a real need here" by Comboman · · Score: 2

    there's a real need here

    While I agree there's a need for a review/recommendation system that can't be gamed by bad actors, nothing about this one indicates it will be any better than the rest.

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    1. Re:"there's a real need here" by swillden · · Score: 1

      there's a real need here

      While I agree there's a need for a review/recommendation system that can't be gamed by bad actors, nothing about this one indicates it will be any better than the rest.

      It sounds like in the long run the intention is to combat fake reviews by surfacing only reviews from people you have a social connection to. There are obvious problems with that, among them that it only works if people you're connected to (a) use the app and (b) have posted an opinion on something you're interested in, but it seems less prone to gaming.

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  14. There's a real need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For people to think for themselves and make their own decisions without consulting Social Media or Machine Learning or their HR department.

  15. How social influence can undermine the wisdom of.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...crowd effect: www.pnas.org/content/108/22/9020

    Gates *is* an evil man, notwithstanding what authorities report.

  16. When a metric becomes a target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When a metric becomes a target, it ceases to be a good metric. -- Goodhart's law. So how's this new app, appy, appetty, app going to solve the problem of people finding ways to game the metrics? Easy, not enough will use it and nobody will care. Need to game metrics in that case.

  17. bots. bots. bots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bots. bots. bots. gaming this is trivial

  18. Saving the world? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    More like harvesting data from the world.

    And when does it take 20 people a year to make a recommendation app? It just came out so they weren't dealing with users or trying to get stores to put signs up for the app.

  19. And there never will be. Because ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the end, it's the same problem as "Who watches the watchmen?". And the same answer: "Ultimately, always: YOU!"

    The problem is, that recommendations are relative. And so, saying “User123 says 8/10" means as much as "This is 80%". 80% of what? User123's recommendation's usefulness is proportional to how well you know him. He may say 8, but 8 x 0 is still zero. (This works better, when negative ratings are negative numbers too.)

    You could, in theory, have a chain from User123 over his peers to your peers to you. Like a web of trust in PGP. It might work. But it will likely end up like a Chinese whispers game. No trust is 100%, and the partial trusts will accumulate and eat up the usefulness in no time.

    So the chain length would naturally self-limit.
    But frankly, we just know that there will be some misjudgment in there, and the misjudged one will trust someone really untrustworthy way too much, ruining the whole approach. So we would have to limit that chain of trust to "friends and friends of those friends".
    And I'm afraid that most of the time, nobody you or they know, will have a recommendation.

    You just might have to risk trying it blindly.
    I mean you're already doing that right now, whenever you rely on online recommendations. You just have a false sense of confidence.

  20. Maybe I'm a bad person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But, I just don't really care what anyone else thinks about... anything.

    Do you have an app for that?