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US Department of Transportation Updates Autonomous Car Rules (engadget.com)

The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) has released a report called "Preparing for the Future of Transportation: Automated Vehicles 3.0," which includes a new set of voluntary guidelines for automated driving systems. According to Engadget, the report "outlines additional safety principles, updates policy and offers guidance to state and local governments." From the report: The report notes that it's meant to be an update to, but not a replacement of, last year's guidance, and it encourages those developing automated driving systems to make public their Voluntary Safety Self-Assessments, which were introduced in last year's report. It also updates the list of best practices for state and local governments considering automated vehicle testing and operation. The agency also takes measures to clarify its policies and roles in regards to autonomous technology implementation. First, it's doing away with the Automated Vehicle Proving Grounds announced last year -- a list of 10 self-driving test sites that were eligible for federal funding. The DOT said that due to the "rapid increase in automated vehicle testing activities in many locations, there is no need for U.S. DOT to favor particular locations."

Additionally, the agency is working on updating language and regulations that it said unintentionally hamper automated vehicle progress. It will adapt its definitions of "driver" and "operator" to reflect that they no longer always refer to humans and can encompass automated systems. The DOT also announced a future notice of proposed rulemaking that will suggest exceptions to certain safety standards that apply only to human drivers -- such as pedals, brakes, mirrors and steering wheels -- for automated systems.

35 comments

  1. I can't wait for the exceptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine being able to import certain banned cars "upgraded to use automated systems" using this loophole.

    1. Re:I can't wait for the exceptions by saloomy · · Score: 1

      Usually, banned cars will remain banned. This is an exciting development for the getting at least the legal roadblocks (see what I did there?) out of the way for self-driving cars. I'm looking forward to seeing the 9.0 update from Tesla. Onramp to Offramp seems pretty cool. They need to recognize stop signs, red lights, and such too.

      The speed of this progress is cool, and I'm glad the legal regulations seem not to be impeding the progress to much.

  2. Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Voluntary guidelines != Rules

  3. Coming soon to a road or highway near you: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Death by SDC.

  4. Recap by raftpeople · · Score: 4, Funny

    Section 1 Paragraph 1:
    Try real hard not to kill people. We're not exactly saying it's completely against the rules, but we really want you to try super hard not to kill anyone.

    1. Re:Recap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if it's voluntary it's for corporations only. Rules only apply to people... or let's say people who don't own a corporation

    2. Re:Recap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What it should say: Kill someone and expect to be sued out of existence

  5. Coming soon: Liability hackers by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because an accident in an self-driving car is a product design problem that could be highly lucrative legally, rather than a charge against one person's insurance, I predict that artificially creating accidents will become a hobby for scammers. People will dash into the street in front of one from between parked cars, hoping to just be grazed. They will make oddball turns at intersection, trying to fool SDC detection systems. They will exploit whatever edge cases they can find in marginal weather. They will play "fastest brakes in the West" at intersections, knowing that the law is totally un the side of the stopped car in rear-end collisions.

    1. Re: Coming soon: Liability hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They already do all those things. Especially the old "cut in front of a large vehicle and stand on the brakes."

    2. Re:Coming soon: Liability hackers by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Personally, since I ride a bike a lot, I plan on getting a custom jersey made, that has a full-size standard octagonal "STOP" sign on the front and back, with the words "AND LOOK FOR CYCLISTS" in small print underneath. I'll have no end of amusement as I confuse the crap out of shitty self-driving cars that can't tell the difference between a human with a stop-sign shirt on, and an actual stop-sign.

    3. Re:Coming soon: Liability hackers by Livius · · Score: 1

      So... you're thinking the legal system of the future will side with regular pedestrians against large corporations operating driver-less cars and their large insurance companies?

    4. Re:Coming soon: Liability hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because an accident in an self-driving car is a product design problem that could be highly lucrative legally, rather than a charge against one person's insurance, I predict that artificially creating accidents will become a hobby for scammers. People will dash into the street in front of one from between parked cars, hoping to just be grazed. They will make oddball turns at intersection, trying to fool SDC detection systems. They will exploit whatever edge cases they can find in marginal weather. They will play "fastest brakes in the West" at intersections, knowing that the law is totally un the side of the stopped car in rear-end collisions.

      That is a super dumb idea.

      Self driving cars have sensors up the wazoo. It will record every little detail of what happened.

      No matter what happens, the self driving car will always be following the law to the T.

      It would be easily proven that the scammer was doing something wrong to cause the accident.

    5. Re:Coming soon: Liability hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will lose their license to operate a vehicle for the rest of their lives.

    6. Re:Coming soon: Liability hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not very smart of you to post it online then.
      Not that it will matter much. It is hard to getting a custom jersey made by mistake.
      You will be held liable for any accidents caused by it. It doesn't matter if the programmer was negligent and didn't follow the standards if they can show that you intentionally tried to cause an accident.

    7. Re:Coming soon: Liability hackers by Pascoea · · Score: 2

      I'll have no end of amusement as I confuse the crap out of shitty self-driving cars that can't tell the difference between a human with a stop-sign shirt on, and an actual stop-sign.

      Thank you for re-affirming why people in cars don't like to share the road with people on bikes.

    8. Re:Coming soon: Liability hackers by chaotixx · · Score: 1

      You realize this is possible today, right? Commercial trucks that cross state lines are generally required to carry at least $750,000 in liability insurance, and most carry higher limits. I would argue that it is even easier to get yourself rear-ended by a big rig driven by a human, compared to a computer with an instant reaction time. Trucks today also won't have all the sensors and cameras recording every aspect of the accident.

    9. Re:Coming soon: Liability hackers by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      What accidents? It'll make them come to a careful, controlled, complete stop, giving drivers behind them plenty of notice. They'll be pissed off like you wouldn't believe though and the passengers in the SDC will have their jaws drop to the floor in disbelief as what a piece of shit SDCs are that they'd do that. I'm just trying to demonstrate that the technology is SHIT and doesn't belong on public roads; I'm a public benefactor, I am. :-)

    10. Re:Coming soon: Liability hackers by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Haters gonna hate. xD xD xD Y U SO MAD THO?

    11. Re: Coming soon: Liability hackers by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Yes, but today’s stakes are small in comparison. If the target is an Evil Corporation, you can have Gloria Allred on your side, grandstanding for the media and going after a verdict in the billions. It will be like this summer’s story of the Glyphosate scammer.

    12. Re:Coming soon: Liability hackers by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      It will, just like the legal system of the present. Convince a jury of cabbageheads that soda pop is a toxin - which like anything else, it is in sufficiently large quantities - and Joseph Blow gets an award in the billions. Not that his purported case of heartburn is worth that much, you see, but you gotta send the Evil Corporation a “message.”

    13. Re:Coming soon: Liability hackers by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      The dumber the idea it is, the more people will try it.

    14. Re:Coming soon: Liability hackers by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Maybe if bad drivers actually paid attention in driver ed and driver training, and cared enough to not drive like assholes, then maybe we wouldn't need shitty 'self driving cars' shoved down our throats. Meanwhile safe competent drivers like me will, if I live long enough, have to fight to keep my actual freedom and actual drivers license when the goddamned fanbois in the government try to literally force everyone into these fucking deathtraps on wheels.

  6. Elon MUsk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Elon went off the rails again on twitter and the stock is collapsing again. And this is Rei's hero?

    1. Re:Elon MUsk by ishmaelflood · · Score: 1

      What's he blubbing about this time? Consumer reports rating his people killing software as less good than GM's? TSLA down to 282

      https://www.thetruthaboutcars....

  7. Already here on a road or highway near you: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Death by Human driven cars.

    Often due to carelessness, negligence, and/or incompetence.

    Sometimes due to the inherent fallibility of the human driver.

    1. Re:Already here on a road or highway near you: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      I'd rather take my chances with humans than take them with a soulless, dead-inside machine that has zero ability to understand what 'human lives' actually means, to which I'm just another 'object', like a lamppost or a fire hydrant, and which is made by some corporation that doesn't give a shit whether I live or die, so long as they make a profit.

    2. Re: Already here on a road or highway near you: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youâ(TM)re not just another object to me, youâ(TM)re just another bitch to be bitch slapped

    3. Re: Already here on a road or highway near you: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome! Glad you feel that way. Traffic is getting worse. If you won't take your chances on the roads, fantastic! One less commuter in my way. Thanks!

  8. Can't wait ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... to see how well all these American autonomous vehicles behave overseas. For starters, most countries in the world drive on the left side of the road.

  9. robbing self driving trucks as well! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    robbing self driving trucks as well!

    1. Re:robbing self driving trucks as well! by NettiWelho · · Score: 1

      robbing self driving trucks as well!

      Or just simply be highwaymen and rob the people inside the self-driving cars who can't escape using the car because the safety features keep you from driving over something

  10. TEETH by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Nothing says we mean business like 'voluntary'.

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    Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
  11. Uh-huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So long as the verbiage includes the phrase 'voluntary', it is meaningless bullshit. This tech will likely never work unless confined to carefully conttolled areas. So what's next? FORCING us all to accept carefully controlled areas en masse? That sounds an awful lot like the policy of dead totatalitarians. The real question: why are millennials so gullible and stupid? Oh , that's right, their parents raised them believing that the world sprang into existence at the time of their births. Give me a break. Too many of us see through you at this point, Silicon Valley, and we aren't going anywhere for another five decades. Try again.

  12. Put me down as happy as hell by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    These things are being tested in a city 300 miles away from me, and that I don't plan to visit in the near future.