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Chinese Company Oppo is the Latest To Be Caught Cheating on Phone Benchmarks (engadget.com)

Posted by msmash on from the fraud-alert dept.

An anonymous reader shares a report: You can add another big name to the list of phone makers found cheating on benchmarks. UL Benchmarks has delisted Oppo's Find X and F7 phones from its 3DMark charts after testing from itself and news outlet Tech2 revealed that both devices were artificially ramping up processor performance when they detected the test by name. Oppo acknowledged that it always stepped things up when it detected "games or 3D Benchmarks that required high performance," but claimed that any app would run full bore if you tapped on the screen every few seconds to signal your actions. UL, however, rejected the justifications. It was clear that Oppo was looking for the benchmark by name and not the extra processing load involved, according to the outfit. Moreover, tapping wouldn't be an effective solution if Oppo treated apps equally -- you couldn't get consistent results. Further reading: Huawei Caught Cheating Performance Test For New Phones.

82 comments

  1. I suspect mostly everybody does that! by ls671 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I suspect mostly everybody does that from Facebook to Volkswagen etc. so it isn't limited to technology.

    Just don't get caught I guess...

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    Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
    1. Re: I suspect mostly everybody does that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s why benchmarks are shit. Any and every tech site that shows and reports on them should be ignored l.

    2. Re:I suspect mostly everybody does that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They really need to bring back Final Reality..

    3. Re:I suspect mostly everybody does that! by FeelGood314 · · Score: 2

      And that is why we need to call companies that do this stuff out and punish them. We need to reward companies that don't and also we need to appreciate companies like UL Benchmarks and Tech2.

    4. Re:I suspect mostly everybody does that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's Lies, Damn Lies, and then there are Benchmarks.

    5. Re:I suspect mostly everybody does that! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      My computer BIOS literally presents the option to cheat on 3DMark...

    6. Re:I suspect mostly everybody does that! by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Sure buddy! I have heavy artillery available at will but I tend to usually adopt a more diplomatic tone when I post on /.

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      Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
  2. Did anyone else read "benchmark" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and think what happens when you sit naked on your desk at work do a double take?

    CROFLOL!!!

  3. How to not cheat by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that it'd be fairly easy to add a slider control in the settings app that would let you choose power-saving vs. performance. When full, everything gets the CPU's full capabilities. Put it right next to the control for screen brightness, which people already go to when they want a bit more battery life.

    Then you can publish any measured benchmarks you want, and claim great performance and battery life, while pitching the configurability as a feature.

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    You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
    1. Re:How to not cheat by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Some devices already do that(unless they've changed it recently, Nvidia-SoC ones had fairly granular control over power vs. performance through a custom settings widget); and basically all of them do in the limited sense that they have 'battery saver' as an option that prunes power consumption in some areas.

      I suspect that the cheaters aren't primarily motivated by confusion about how to implement this feature, though; but by the desire to get impossibly good numbers: if there is a slider the reviewer knows about they'll presumably run the battery and thermal benchmarks with it on the same setting they use for performance benchmarks; which will make it abundantly clear that there's a tradeoff, quite possibly a really harsh one. If you successfully sneak the settings past them you can potentially get performance benchmark numbers that would generate horrific battery life; and battery life numbers based on the handset mostly avoiding its most power hungry modes.

  4. Nothing original by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    They copied the idea from Volkswagen.

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    sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
  5. Re:APK Hosts File Engine for MacOS... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, c6gunner. Whatever you say.

  6. c6gunner's impersonating me & lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: c6gunner's name on this post as submitter yet signed "APK" https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

    * I never say hosts cure Spectre/Meltdown OR it'd be on the Start64.com download page & I do NO MacOS X one!

    (I cut him to pieces for his lies here https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... & https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... too & on hosts' technicals https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... )

    APK

    P.S.=> You say hosts = shit https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?

    FACTS: /.ers & security pros + RESULTS say DIFFERENT:

    1st: /.ers https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments....

    2nd: SECURITY PROS https://slashdot.org/comments....

    3rd: REAL RESULTS w/ hosts vs. threats https://slashdot.org/comments....

    EAT YOUR WORDS

    1. Re: c6gunner's impersonating me & lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm mocking you, idiot.

      You are arrogant enough that you think and act like you're God's gift to Slashdot.

      You vastly overstate the capabilities of hosts, saying things like hosts can do port filtering. Why not add a bit more bullshit and claim hosts protect against Spectre and Meltdown? It's consistent with the rest of your bullshit.

      You bragged for a long time that you were going to release a Mac version. You pledged that you were going to make lots of spam posts about it. Why not help you fulfill your promises?

      I pretty much own you. I make one post and you feel the need to post numerous replies denouncing the original post. When any one of your replies is moderated to -1, you post it again. I control your posting and the time you spend on Slashdot by what I post.

      I say jump and you say how high.

      I'm not c6gunner, nor do I otherwise have an account. I've just seen how nasty you are to others and I've chosen to repay you in kind.

      You lose. Goodbye. Enjoy your worthless life in your $1 house. I own you.

  7. Re:APK Hosts File Engine for MacOS... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to pretend to be APK, you need to type a shit-ton more, make it sound more like Time Cube and less like Trump.

  8. They must have learned from we Americans... by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    GM also lied here too. Never under estimate the reach of American companies.

    1. Re:They must have learned from we Americans... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Huh, didn't even know GM made smartphones.

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      I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
    2. Re:They must have learned from we Americans... by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      Huh, didn't even know GM made smartphones.

      Dude, it's the motivation to lie for profit.

      You must have been to school, right?

    3. Re:They must have learned from we Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you need us to call the whaaaambulance?

    4. Re:They must have learned from we Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you need us to call the whaaaambulance?

      On a positive note, this isn't the dumbest thing I've read all day.

  9. Bring back the oppo players! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They made the best Bluray/Streaming players in the world and should stick to those, where they won't have to cheat.

  10. WHAT CAPABILITIES OF HOSTS DO I OVERSTATE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arrogant? Not @ all - I merely state facts (that you can't prove wrong OR handle, lol): WHAT CAPABILITIES OF HOSTS DO I OVERSTATE?

    That hosts stop malware https://slashdot.org/comments.... ??

    That SECURITY PROS etc. AGREE w/ me hosts give you more speed/security https://slashdot.org/comments.... ???

    That /.ers LIKE/USE/PRAISE my program https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments....

    ???

    * Watch you do your USUAL "Run, Forrest: RUN!!! vs. that, lol...

    APK

    P.S.=> FACT: VERIFIABLE, concrete & UNDENIABLE FACTS in those links PROVE YOU WRONG! You lose, loser... apk

    1. Re: WHAT CAPABILITIES OF HOSTS DO I OVERSTATE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not running from anything.

      You've previously said that hosts do port filtering. That link has been posted many times. Hosts most certainly don't do port filtering. That a recent example.

      Your posts say that hosts provide better security than other approaches, including antivirus software. That's very misleading. Your approach provides different security than antivirus software does.

      Your approach will generally block only known threats, not unknown threats. You employ no heuristics to detect potentially unknown threats. This is in contrast to something like EFF's Privacy Badger, which detects and blocks trackers on the basis of detecting the same tracker on three or more sites. It can identify and block some previously unknown threats in a way your software does not.

      You've also been criticized because hosts don't do wildcards, limiting their ability to block all threats from a given domain, such as threat1.domain.com, threat2.domain.com, threat3.domain.com, etc. It would be nice to block *.domain.com, but your approach can't do that. If the domain is solely used for malware, then there isn't an issue with false positives. That is in contrast to something like blocking github.com, something that you've recommended in some posts. Github may have some security risks, but you also block access to a lot of legitimate and useful open source software. That is every bit as much of a false positive.

      Also, can you provide a citation for your statement that 99% of threats use hostnames rather than IP addresses? While it seems dubious to assign a percentage when not all threats are known, I'll consider it to mean that nearly all threats rely on hostnames. That may, indeed, be true, but a citation is needed. If you can provide a citation, I'll grant you that one. I'm not calling that false or misleading like the other things I've commented on, but a specific citation is necessary.

  11. The Chinese Lying and Cheating? by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

    Gosh, haven't seen that before! /sarcasm

    1. Re:The Chinese Lying and Cheating? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you have -- Americans do it all the time, in fact that's a core principle of American business, lie, lie, and lie to sell your product.

  12. LOL! MOMMY HELP ME (golden wine)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hohohohoho see the CLASSIC proof of that here soyboys as you DRINK the golden wine https://hardware.slashdot.org/... straight from MY tap (of GOLDEN piss), all natural ingredients, naturally filtered (of ME pissing right into your shitbag mouths & funniest part is, you help me DO it - you LIKE it, lol!).

    Do you LIKE the taste? Obviously yes - just like folks like my hosts engine, anything I put out, even piss, is GOOD (unlike "your kind").

    Above all else though? Hey - MOMMY LOVES YOU!

    APK

    P.S.=> Hahahahaha (I think this is the BEST overall letting you SHEMALE soyboys destroy yourselves for GOLD (ask SuckerBERG about that - he's the expert as is all his kind are - heading into ZylonB & Furnace time again judging by what's happening - the PRICE of it is that, always, they don't learn)... apk

  13. c6gunner why'd you run from a question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & where you RAN from simple questions c6gunner alias "Run, Forrest: RUN!!! https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

    * Everyone KNOWS you IMPERSONATED me c6gunner https://linux.slashdot.org/com... after insulting me. (no questions asked your name's the post submitter signing off as "APK" as I do though impersonating me due to your BUTTHURT you brought on yourself loser).

    * You are a PROVEN weezil & RUNNER as you also RAN from a FAIR CHALLENGE I put to you after your attempt @ insulting me https://linux.slashdot.org/com... after insulting me.

    (You're the EASIEST TO INSULT & MAKE IT STICK - as c6gunner you're a PROVEN "ne'er-do-well" DO-NOTHING per that ast link's FAIR CHALLENGE you RAN from, "Forrest CHUMP" that you are!).

    APK

    P.S.=> ALL that LOSERISHNESS from 1 "wannabe parody of a man BEHIND A FAKE NAME ONLINE" in c6gunner - the weezil LOSER! apk

    1. Re: c6gunner why'd you run from a question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an ass.

      I'm not c6gunner, though you're obsessed with him.

      I answered your post. You're whining that your post wasn't answered within 28 minutes, which is ridiculous. Not everyone sits around waiting to reply immediately when you demand someone answer you. Some of us have a job and a life outside of Slashdot, both of which seem to be beyond you. You got your answer. Grow up.

    2. Re: c6gunner why'd you run from a question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You provide 1 fact that is undeniable. You have to hide from apk by your unidentifiable anonymous posts because apk thrashes you constantly.

  14. Dear "help me mommy" SoyBoy, lol... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & my ps (classic, lol): There's REALITY https://hardware.slashdot.org/... that works vs. SOYboy addled by estogen mimickers in SOYMilk (lol, that you're addicted to) "Phantasy" - lol!

    I see your estrogen is LOW - lol, don't worry: Make SURE you put your soymilk in bisphenol A plastic containers (You'll get a "good dose" then - you need it (Cravings to be a woman, you sure act like one you do-nothing "ne'er-do-well", lol)).

    Eventually, you'll get SO bad you'll inject it like Bruce Willis in LOOPER (you are 'loopy' lol) from Year 6 -> Year 23 (LMAO).

    * RoTfLmAo... you want to get rid of me/kill me? For once you're doing a GOOD job making me laugh myself to death!

    Ah, it's good to see I've BLOWN you away w/ truth & fact & YOU ARE OUT OF DOWNMODPOINTS evidently (your kind? Can't EVER win vs. guys like me - accept it - your destiny in this LIFE was to be the LOSER almost WOMAN you are, lol).

    APK

    P.S.=> Hahahahaha "HELP ME MOMMY" lmao (apk's outsmarted us AGAIN & ran us DRY of our ABUSED "downmodpoints" lol) https://hardware.slashdot.org/... ... apk

  15. You lose badly right now... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Portfiltering lie YOU do like you lie impersonating me saying hosts cure spectre/meltdown & a Mac version I don't have https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

    * IF I trusted hosts did port filters I'd PUT IT IN MY PROGRAM & I don't - you lose.

    APK

    P.S.=> Security pros AGREE hosts = good security vs. a LITERAL HIDING FROM ME Unidentifiable LOSER like you https://slashdot.org/comments.... & hosts do it NATIVELY for less (minus the slowdown Antivirus & DNS have ALONG w/ THEIR SECURITY ISSUES (kaminsky redirect poisoning & tavis ormandy anyone?). Hosts do so for FAR less doing FAR MORE than any SINGLE other solution.

    Wildcards + HEURISTICS do CAUSE FALSE POSITIVES - hosts specifics don't & you even AGREE hosts block threats (that ARE STILL THREATS).

    1. Re:You lose badly right now... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not being honest, nor did you address most of the issues I raised. Most of what your comment attacks me on the basis of an ad hominem logical fallacy. You did, however, accuse me of lying about hosts doing port filtering. That is something that can be addressed directly. At this link, https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12479360&cid=57136800, you explicitly said the following:

      Sorry, but hosts DO do port filtering as I showed stupid

      You're very quick to allege that you're being impersonated. However, at the link I provided, you did not denounce the post I linked to as impersonation. Based on the writing style and your typical behavior, I see nothing to suggest the post is less than authentic.

      You argued that hosts can, indeed, to port filtering. Now you deny it. Why are you lying?

    2. Re:You lose badly right now... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit for brains APK has stated that hosts does port filtering and was proven to be a lying retard but can't admit it. So now he lies more to try to cover up his previous lies. With APK it is lies all the way down. We would stop pointing out your lies and bullshit if you would stop posting it. The only threats hosts block are a very limited number of well known sources long after they have become a threat and does so in a fashion that is easily circumvented by small children.

    3. Re:You lose badly right now... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER APK's 3 QUESTIONS HERE https://hardware.slashdot.org/... ?

    4. Re:You lose badly right now... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER APK's 3 QUESTIONS HERE https://hardware.slashdot.org/... ?

  16. This is a mindset... by trudyscousin · · Score: 1

    ...that values being clever over doing the right thing, with a cool eye toward the consequences.

    Adding melamine to baby formula to jack up the protein content? Clever. Not so clever when babies become sick and die because of kidney failure.

    Ripping off designs from other companies? Clever. Not so much money needed for R&D. Not so clever when consumers find out there's an inferior product under that familiar user interface.

    Cheating on benchmarks? And so it goes...

    --
    Those who can, do. Those who can't, write technology blogs.
    1. Re:This is a mindset... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      ...that values being clever over doing the right thing, with a cool eye toward the consequences.

      Adding melamine to baby formula to jack up the protein content? Clever. Not so clever when babies become sick and die because of kidney failure.

      Ripping off designs from other companies? Clever. Not so much money needed for R&D. Not so clever when consumers find out there's an inferior product under that familiar user interface.

      Cheating on benchmarks? And so it goes...

      No, it's a mindset of GREED over the right thing. Green, as in money. The US was once a country like it, but evolved beyond it by introducing regulations that prohibit all sorts of actions.

      Melamine in milk? Why, it came about in an attempt to turn 1L of milk into 2L of milk (or 1 gallon into 2 gallons). You do it by adding water. But an analysis would show that you actually watered down the milk, so add melamine to fool the measurement devices into recording it as double the amount of milk. Thus, you make twice the amount of money out of that milk.

      Ripping off designs is similar - you see those designs sell, so you make a counterfeit version and hope to sell enough to fool people into paying money for it Also means you don't have to do a bunch of R&D in trying to figure out why widgets work the way they do. And if the product is expensive, there will be gullible folks willing to pay half price for a similar looking product. All you need to do is fool them into buying your cheap copy.

      Benchmark cheating is the same - you want to show good numbers so people feel they're getting a good phone. If the phone benchmarks the same as every other phone in the store, it won't sell, so you want to show something ridiculously big so they can put it in big numbers on the phone tag and people will buy it because it has a big number.

    2. Re:This is a mindset... by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Just saying: The melanine thing _killed_ babies, but also got the main perpetrators killed. That was something you can't get away with even in China. The state had to be seen to do something about it, and they did. With death sentences.

  17. Same company as OnePlus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just FYI.

  18. Never believe APK's overstatements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never believe Alexander Peter Kowalski's overstatements.
    Like how he claims the Chinese copied him but can't produce any evidence and admits as much.
    How about when he states that hosts does port filtering but again can't backup his statement which was shown to be false.
    There is also his list of "experts" who support him but it turns out they don't say what he is claiming.
    This also ignores his out of context quotes he uses to lie by omission.
    The problem with APK is that his entire reputation is built upon the lie he told years ago that hosts is an effective security solution. It has been exposed numerous times as being a lie and when exposed APK fails to argue logically and instead will try to deflect criticism, change the subject, move the goal posts, return to a previously disproved statement, demand you prove you did better than his file concatenator, or just call people names. He will continue to lie by stating that he won or "dusted" you while failing to refute anything you said, will never provide real evidence, and generally try to dodge the issue.

    Face it APK is one of the most detested individuals here for good reason. When ever his poor behavior, awful logic, over statements, and horrendous writing are called out he has a fit and has done so for years across the internet. He is a spammer, and is an abusive insecure little man who is washed up and never amounted to anything. Until he produces actual verifiable facts supporting his case, which he can't, nothing he says should be taken seriously. Because he can't actually refute anything he will now repeat all of his previously disproved lies because he is a retarded loser. By doing that he will prove he is a retard for all to see.

  19. China is Crap. Zero Credibility. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You Americans arent much better.. breaking nuclear treaties and grabbing pussies and slapping cocks all the way to your highest court.

    You would have to be a moron to invest in either of those shithole countries.

  20. Re: Just call it what it is: Evil. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who behave like that are EVIL and should be nuked.

    ITS TIME TO NUKE CHINA.

  21. 3 questions & China... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & 3 questions you run from: 1.) Do hosts stop threats served by hostname (way most threats are done) blocking them? Yes.

    2.) Do hosts speed you up 2 ways: Adblocking (preventing more infection/tracking/slowdown) & hardcoded fav. sites resolving faster + protecting vs. dns down or redirect poisoned? Yes.

    My hosts program's only 1 that does the latter @ TOP of hosts cached in RAM (for best performance) & only 1 of its kind on Linux/BSD in easy to use flexible config GUI form.

    (I also did it LONG before China & 1st theregister.co.uk/2017/04/26/boffins_supercharge_the_hosts_file_to_save_users_plagued_by_dns_outages/

    APK

    P.S.-> Lastly: 3.) Have you done work that effective doing more for less faster in kernelmode speed w/ less complexity for exploit + excess overheads vs. solutions KNOWN to be security-issue riddled (like addons (souled-out to NOT work by default OR easily detected & blocked that are BYPASSABLE/EXPLOITABLE), DNS & Antivirus)? No... apk

    1. Re:3 questions & China... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APK continue to repeat the lies he needs to tell himself and deflect from valid criticism. He can't produce any evidence that the Chinese copied him and has admitted as much and so he proves he is a retard by trying to change the subject.

    2. Re:3 questions & China... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER APK's 3 QUESTIONS HERE https://hardware.slashdot.org/... ?

  22. Security pros etc. QUOTED on hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "classic Windows hosts trick to block the Coinhive or Crypto-Loot domains" - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/a-new-player-joins-coinhive-on-the-browser-cryptojacking-scene/ - BLEEPING COMPUTER

    ZD NET http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-use-a-hosts-file-to-improve-your-internet-experience/ "Hosts files really shine by letting you block ads, spyware sites, malware sites, & tracking sites"

    SANS ("A related approach to the DNS issue is to create a hosts file on each system that sends requests for spyware to some place else" hosts by myself & RAMU right @ START of "malware explosion" mid 2005 on) https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di...

    Aryeh Goretsky/ESET/NOD32: hosts = good security https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7442373&cid=49747129/

    Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS) http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/491/

    Spybot S&D uses hosts.

    APK

    P.S.=> Malwarebytes' hpHosts hosts & RECOMMENDS my program forum.hosts-file.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4290

    1. Re:Security pros etc. QUOTED on hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit for brains APK, all of those were previously debunked by the parent plus more and shown to not mean what you think they mean. You really should stop posting things that don't support your point as it only makes you look dumb. I guess the parent was right that you do like to prove that you are a retard by reposting statements that were shown to be false.

    2. Re:Security pros etc. QUOTED on hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHY CAN'T YOU ANSWER APK's 3 QUESTIONS HERE https://hardware.slashdot.org/... ?

  23. On ArseHOLETechnica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arstechnica = losers who stalked me (as you do now anonymously unidentifiably) to NTCompatible.com & Windows IT Pro magazine forums to their public dismay in Jeremy Reimer & Jay Little + Jarrett DeAngelis (who posts here on /. until I drove his ass off too) when their websites were REMOVED by their hosting providers in Shaw Canada & CrystalTech (for both email harassing me caught on a tracking ticket + stalking me & posting lies about me on them).

    Right AFTER I destroyed them both PUBLICLY @ Windows IT Pro on Exchange Servers memory being freed UNHALTING them (which tells you Exchange is HEAVILY POINTER ORIENTED linked list driven, which leads to memory fragmentation that CAN halt a serverware).

    Jay Little the "self-proclaimed 'EXCHANGE EXPERT'" HAD TO CONCEDE IT from MICROSOFT'S OWN DOCUMENTATION proving it FOR me there (where they as usual stalked me AS YOU ARE NOW)

    Peter Bright/Dr. Pizza (alias GOITERMAN, lol) can tell you what happened to his IRC server after that (lol).

    "The great arseHOLEtechnica" (not) RUN OUT of their own server chatrooms hahaha (by "yours truly").

    In effete retaliation they edited my posts & impersonated me on their little private playpen of UNDERACHIEVER losers.

    APK

    P.S.=> ABOVE ALL ELSE: Thanks for outing yourself as 1 of the "few, the defeated" from arseHOLEtechnica - always a pleasure exposing your lame asses (that are nothing more than do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-wells" THAT CAN'T STAND THEMSELVES for it (lol, no shit) & that you are REDUCED to STALKING ME by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous too... lmao!)... apk

  24. On Thor SCHMUCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask him WHY his false accusation of an old ware of mine was 1st taken down to NO threat & CA sold off the SHITTY antivir he sold (as a paid pawn of theirs) & they are GONE, done. dead... lol!

    Lookup "CA Accounting Scandal" on Google - scumbags & THEIR BIRDS OF A FEATHER just go down vs. me everytime!

    APK

    P.S.=> See subject & the above on a FAT, SHORT LIAR from podunk idaho... apk

    1. Re:On Thor SCHMUCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say all these things yet there is no evidence to corroborate anything you throw out there yet there is plenty of evidence of you being an ineffective spammer who throws a fit like a retarded child when called out for your poor quality work and behavior. You really do like to show the world that you are truly are total retard.

    2. Re:On Thor SCHMUCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER APK's 3 QUESTIONS HERE https://hardware.slashdot.org/... ?

  25. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #1/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

    that APK guy, I use his host file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

    I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

    * SEE SUBJECT & TELL US: How does EATING YOUR WORDS taste?

    APK

    P.S.=> You're already VASTLY OUTNUMBERED but many more are coming

  26. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #2/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk has the answer for that - really... kill automatic updates by adding a hosts file entry setting updates.steam.com or whatever to 127.0.0.1. You have to find the right hostname for each software you want to block updates on by raymorris (2726007) on Friday July 06, 2018

    APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat (756137) on Wednesday June 21, 2017

    I support APK's stand on the hosts file and can't see why it's not used more than it is. My hosts file is 144247 lines long (4,332 Kb) it & a firewall serves me very well - by Trax3001BBS (2368736)

    ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything APK reminds us about fast turtle September 17 2013

    You need APK's hosts file - by Teun (17872) on Wednesday August 06, 2014

    APK

    P.S.=> You EATING YOUR WORDS != GOOD NUTRITION... apk

  27. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #3/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa on Saturday May 16, 2015

    APK solution STILL relevant Thud457 June 11 2015

    In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015

    APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment - by Culture20 on Thursday November 17

    you're right about hosts files - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26

    APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop - by nasredin (958927) on Friday June 12, 2015 @03:34PM

    APK

    P.S.=> Are you ENJOYING the taste of EATING YOUR WORDS yet?... apk

  28. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #4/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works. - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015

    get around to 'installing' a hosts file list, not sure which one, likely the one from someonewhocares.org. If it works as well as what I used for a while about ten years ago, I'll be happy. And grateful to APK for the lesson and the reminder. - by kermidge (2221646) on Wednesday March 27

    I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster. - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17

    dammit MS, you proved APK right about something by lgw

    APK

    P.S.=> Your words YOU'RE EATING: You choking on them yet?... apk

  29. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #5/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (APK) is still right a hosts file really does work. It even blocked a some of the video ads that were inserted into a stream OrangeTide February 10 2016

    the Host File Engine performs exactly as promised - by mmell (832646) on Thursday February 16, 2017

    I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    * Toss on 100,000++ users worldwide too!

    APK

    P.S.=> You still haven't said how EATING YOUR WORDS tastes? apk

    1. Re:Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #5/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit for brains APK posts a bunch of out of context quotes including a number that are clearly sarcastic ones that if he included the whole statement would paint a very different picture of him and his work. He does like to lie by omission because he can't handle the truth. Also didn't BronsCon tell you to stop quoting him and that he retracts his statement and that your work can not be trusted. Again you continue to prove the parent right as you keep repeating all of your lies.

    2. Re:Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #5/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER APK's 3 QUESTIONS HERE https://hardware.slashdot.org/... ?

  30. Hosts efficacy recently vs. threats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's working: Neville... it's working!" See subject & results from the past month https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... & https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... that's only recently while I've been on Linux (few months now only) & 100's of times vs. MANY other botnets/malwares etc. in the past circa 2006-early 2018 while I was on Windows: CONCRETE VISIBLE UNDENIABLE REALITY (see those links as proof).

    P.S.=> ... & that's ONLY what /. reported on (there are FAR more)... apk

    1. Re:Hosts efficacy recently vs. threats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see a list of times when hosts failed to protect against a threat until long after it became a threat. Your software is the jizzmopper of security programs and a pretty shitty one at that as it doesn't do anything to clean up the infection and only does its work long after the deed is done.

    2. Re:Hosts efficacy recently vs. threats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER APK's 3 QUESTIONS HERE https://hardware.slashdot.org/... ?

  31. Run, Forrest, run! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK, you got caught lying when you denied saying hosts do port filtering: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12792965&cid=57521005.

    You got caught overstating the capabilities of hosts and now you're running like the chickenshit coward you are. You're not enough of a man to admit you lied, so you ran.

    1. Re:Run, Forrest, run! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER APK's 3 QUESTIONS HERE https://hardware.slashdot.org/... ?

  32. Bwah! YOU of all people talk HONEST? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU of all people talk HONEST? You impersonated me then (not even a nice try setup) & you did here https://hardware.slashdot.org/... which everyone can see!

    * You have been pulling this for a long time c6gunner https://linux.slashdot.org/com... BUT YOU GAVE AWAY YOUR GAME IN THAT LINK RIGHT THERE forgetting to submit anonymously using your registered 'luser' FAKE NAME here on /. instead.

    APK

    P.S.=> Which ANYONE can SEE too - you blew it... apk

  33. LMAO! You gotta be KIDDING me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've posted that material many times you did your usual & cut /alter/paste it as you do here https://hardware.slashdot.org/... !

    * Do you REALLY think you're fooling ANYONE BUT YOURSELF when you've been CAUGHT doing it c6gunner!

    You're the submitter cut/paste & ALTERING my posts SIGNING as "APK" no less TO PROVE MY POINT HERE & you FORGOT to submit Anonymous Coward here c6gunner https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

    CLUE/AGAIN: I don't HAVE a MacOS X model & I never said hosts cure Spectre/Meltdown BUT YOU DO IMPERSONATING ME in tons of posts!

    APK

    P.S.=> It's your STANDARD "modus operandi" coming back to HAUNT YOU c6gunner - not even a "nice try": IF port filtering in hosts was possible MY PROGRAM WOULD DO or WORK with it (it does not) & I'd tout it as a feature @ Start64.com too (I do not)... apk

  34. Dates are my proof (I did it 1st before China) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dates are my proof (I did it 1st before China): way, Way, WAY BEFORE (my Win32/64 model's proof & out since 2001 but resurrected it in 2012 in my hosts program)!

    APK

    P.S.=> The date of that article PROVES it (way after me doing hardcoded favorite sites @ TOP of hosts cached in RAM for protection vs. DNS tracking, redirect poisoning &/or being down + SPEEDING UP RESOLUTION of sites you spend MOST time @ - that's mine, not theirs & they copied it POINT-BLANK fact)... apk

  35. LMAO - we can read you know... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: ANYONE's free to look @ what's quoted from security sources etc. where they said them. You'll eat your words. They do say what I quote & it's all I need (how hosts are good for security, speed etc.).

    * It's THAT simple & you KNOW it (you'll fail but THAT'S WHY YOU STALK & HARASS ME by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous - you know you're a deceitful liar).

    APK

    P.S.=> "3 strikes YER OUT" & you're too stupid to REALIZE it, lol... apk

  36. LOL! You IMPERSONATE & LIBEL me... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: PROOF is you c6gunner who are You're the submitter cut/paste & ALTERING my posts SIGNING as "APK" no less TO PROVE MY POINT HERE & you FORGOT to submit Anonymous Coward here c6gunner https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

    MORE Proof from this thread https://hardware.slashdot.org/... becaus:

    I have NO MacOS X model NOR have I ever said hosts cure Spectre/Meltdown!

    (Wish it did & IF IT DID I'd SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS @ Start64.com + I'd probably get a NOBEL PRIZE for that - I can't & DON'T because it's not TRUTH/FACT - you say it is IMPERSONATING me though).

    APK

    P.S.=> c6gunner - you BLEW it bad - ESPECIALLY ON PORT FILTERING which IF I believed it worked MY PROGRAM WOULD ALLOW FOR IT (anyone can see in ANY version Win32/64 it does not) - everyone SEES you IMPERSONATE ME ABOVE - you just tried again & FAILED as always is all, lol.. apk

  37. Blocking sources of threats = STOPPING 'EM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blocking sources of threats = how you STOP THEM & they're STILL THREATS you dumb fuck & they were listed as soon as discovered DUMBO to protect users (as they are STILL threats).

    * Give me a break - how much of your FAIL can YOU pack into 1 thread? You're setting a PERSONAL RECORD for even YOU in this one, lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> You can say what I am PROJECTING what YOU ARE obivously - but I can show ACTUAL WORKING PROGRAM WORK even REGISTERED /.ers LIKE-USE-PRAISE w/ 100,000++ users worldwide - YOU? Can't *snicker*... apk

  38. What I quoted of registered /.ers? They said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I quoted from registered /.ers? They actually said. You saying they didn't? I have the FULL links you know & where they are if needed.

    * Don't look SARCASTIC @ ALL - more like PRAISE of work I do & those ENJOYING its FREE excellent NATIVE lightweight benefits.

    APK

    P.S.=> I'm not here to win a "popularity contest" - I'm not asking people "like me" (this isn't FAKEBOOK, which I don't do either, never have) No... I'm here to WIN & I am obviously: Why?

    You're attacking me by UNIDENTIFIABLE ANONYMOUS STALKING POSTS never STANDING BEHIND YOUR LIES & FAILING - often FAILING YOURSELF vs. me, lol - thanks!

    I win, so everyone does... apk

  39. c6gunner your past deeds frame you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a submitter cut/paste & ALTERING my posts SIGNING as "APK" no less TO PROVE MY POINT HERE https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

    & you FORGOT to submit Anonymous Coward THERE c6gunner!

    FACT: I've posted that material many times you did your usual & cut /alter/paste IMPERSONATING ME as you do here even in this thread https://hardware.slashdot.org/... !

    * Do you REALLY think you're fooling ANYONE BUT YOURSELF when you've been CAUGHT doing it c6gunner!

    YOU JUST TRIED IT ON THE PORT FILTERING POST YOU POINT TO & I DIDN'T CATCH IT you weezil!

    CLUE/AGAIN: I don't HAVE a MacOS X model & I never said hosts cure Spectre/Meltdown BUT YOU DO IMPERSONATING ME in tons of posts!

    APK

    P.S.=> It's your STANDARD "modus operandi" coming back to HAUNT YOU c6gunner - not even a "nice try": IF port filtering in hosts was possible MY PROGRAM WOULD DO or WORK with it (it does not) & I'd tout it as a feature @ Start64.com too (I do not)... apk

  40. Long history by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

    Years ago, when graphics cards where slow enough that text output was benchmarked, some magazine found their benchmarks on a particular test ran 3 times slower than everyone elses.

    Their test displayed the string "The quick brawn fox jumped over the lazy dog." with a spelling error. Everyone else ran the benchmark with the correct text. It turned out the driver maker checked for this particular string, and had a ready-made bitmap for this strong stored into the driver. So they could use a bitblit instead of text drawing and ran three times faster. In the benchmark only.

  41. SIMPLE TEST THAT SHUTS YOU UP...apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 jowie.com
    0.0.0.0 jealous.com
    0.0.0.0 jowie.com
    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test3.com
    0.0.0.0 test3.com
    0.0.0.0 borlnd.com
    0.0.0.0 tester.com

    * RUN THAT DATASET THRU MY PROGRAM & WHAT RESULTS COME OUT THAT HAVE A "PORT FILTER" ATTACHED?

    NONE!

    Only borlnd.com, tester.com, test3.com, jealous.com & jowie.com (last 2 are for YOU, lol) REMAIN (no filters on them)

    MY PROGRAM EVEN PREVENTS THAT MISTAKE!

    PK

    P.S.=> THIS PROVES MY PROGRAM'S OUTPUT DOES NOT ALLOW "PORT FILTERING" ENTRIES IN HOSTS as I said DESPITE you IMPERSONATING ME & LYING (already PROVEN YOU DO THAT c6gunner https://linux.slashdot.org/com... )... apk

  42. SIMPLE TEST THAT SHUTS YOU UP...apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 jowie.com
    0.0.0.0 jealous.com
    0.0.0.0 jowie.com
    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test3.com
    0.0.0.0 test3.com
    0.0.0.0 borlnd.com
    0.0.0.0 tester.com

    * RUN THAT DATASET THRU MY PROGRAM & WHAT RESULTS COME OUT THAT HAVE A "PORT FILTER" ATTACHED?

    NONE!

    Only borlnd.com, tester.com, test3.com, jealous.com & jowie.com (last 2 are for YOU, lol) REMAIN (no filters on them)

    MY PROGRAM EVEN PREVENTS THAT MISTAKE!

    APK

    P.S.=> THIS PROVES MY PROGRAM'S OUTPUT DOES NOT ALLOW "PORT FILTERING" ENTRIES IN HOSTS as I said DESPITE you IMPERSONATING ME & LYING (already PROVEN YOU DO THAT c6gunner https://linux.slashdot.org/com... )... apk

  43. FLASHBACK 1993: Hercules and The quick brown fox by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

    repost

    My boss slaps a folded-over InfoWorld magazine onto my desk, thick enough to kill a rat with in those days. He says with obvious glee, "How bout dem apples?"

    It is Steve Gibson's INFOWORLD column of March 8 and Gibson (with obvious glee) has caught a manufacturer of Hercules graphics cards red-handed. The standard WinBench program had conducted a series of tests --- and in one particular test of text display, in which the phrase "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog's back then sat on a tack" is continuously painted on the screen --- the card performed oddly spectacularly. It was that one score that when combined with the others, ranked the card above the competition. Suspicious, Gibson changed a single letter in the test phrase and the card's score dropped to a reasonable range. The card was apparently recognizing that a test was in progress and 'cheating' by failing to actually over-write this static text repeatedly.

    I love the comment by the manufacturer when Gibson contacted them (read it!) but what intrigued the industry the most was that the cheat was not to be found in the Windows driver code, it had been embedded into the firmware of the accelerator chip. In the next Winbench version the test phrase jumped around the lazy screen's back during the test, rendering the cheat obsolete.

    --
    <blink>down the rabbit hole</blink>
  44. APK is a proven lying retard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You really are total fucking retarded, aren't you.
    Let's see if you can follow along and discover why you are proven to be a lying retard.
    First you state multiple times that hosts does port filtering.
    Then when called out for clearly stating a lie you decided to double down on the lie and restate it.
    The when confronted about your now proven false statements that you failed to show any evidence for you declare that you won like a retard.
    So then several months go by and someone points out that you have stated that hosts does port filtering you deny that it does finally but at this point you bring your shit toy program into it trying to make it look like people were saying that your program did the filtering. You were the first person to tie the two together as no one else said or implied that but you attempted to lie by twisting what was actually said to try to make yourself look good.
    Now you post more of your bullshit like what is above in a further attempt to deflect and deceive people as you attempt to make yourself look good but the premise you started from was one of your many lies so that is also a lie.

    Face it your lies have been exposed many times before, this is just the most recent. Your failure has been documented for all to see. Now go away retard.

  45. Everyone knows U IMPERSONATE me & fail this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    0.0.0.0 test1.com:53
    0.0.0.0 test2.com:53
    0.0.0.0 jowie.com
    0.0.0.0 jealous.com
    0.0.0.0 jowie.com
    0.0.0.0 test3.com
    0.0.0.0 borlnd.com
    0.0.0.0 tester.com

    * RUN THAT DATASET THRU MY PROGRAM & WHAT RESULTS COME OUT THAT HAVE A "PORT FILTER" ATTACHED?

    NONE!

    Only borlnd.com, tester.com, test3.com, jealous.com & jowie.com (last 2 are for YOU, lol) REMAIN (no filters on them)

    MY PROGRAM EVEN PREVENTS THAT MISTAKE!

    APK

    P.S.=> THIS PROVES MY PROGRAM'S OUTPUT DOES NOT ALLOW "PORT FILTERING" ENTRIES IN HOSTS as I said!

    ALL DESPITE you IMPERSONATING ME & LYING (for YEARS now) saying hosts do + STALKING ME via UNIDENTIFIABLE ANONYMOUS too (loser weezil).

    It's LONG PROVEN YOU DO THAT c6gunner https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

    W/ your lie saying I have a MacOS model (I don't YET) OR that hosts cure Spectre/Meltdown (hosts don't but you LIE impersonating ME saying they do - FILTERS in hosts too!)... apk