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US Bans Exports To Chinese DRAM Maker Citing National Security Risk (zdnet.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: The Trump administration on Monday announced it was banning U.S. exports to a Chinese semiconductor firm named Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit Company, citing national security concerns. In a statement released by the U.S. Department of Commerce (DoC), officials said the Chinese chipmaker posed "a significant risk of being or becoming involved, in activities contrary to the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States." DoC officials are now barring US companies from selling any products to Fujian Jinhua, which was recently nearing completion of a new dynamic random access memory (DRAM) factory project. "When a foreign company engages in activity contrary to our national security interests, we will take strong action to protect our national security. Placing Jinhua on the Entity List will limit its ability to threaten the supply chain for essential components in our military systems," said Wilbur Ross, Secretary of Commerce.
In all seriousness, how can the Trump Administration at all be taken serious with anything related to STEM? The closest to technology the ignorant POTUS gets to is his daily ingestion of MSM Fox News and his nightly Twitter binges.
Hi, does anybody has a link to any serious research on how they find something strange on a "Fujian Jinhua Integrated" memory ? I wonder how the Chinese can spy on us with RAM memory.
They are involved in IP theft. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...
#MAGA
In other words, ya gotta pay to play bitches! Call me when your check clears.
Way to go Mr President. While your noose [around China] is surely getting tighter, it may be advisable that you evaluate whether in the end, you may bite the arm that feeds you.
Folks are already paying a bit more for goods coming from China; China could dump the dollar. If this ever happened, we'd be in big trouble, fast.
All rather rich coming from Wilber Ross former vice chair of the bank of cypress.
"Jinhua is nearing completion of substantial production capacity for dynamic random access memory (DRAM) integrated circuits. The additional production, in light of the likely U.S.-origin technology, threatens the long term economic viability of U.S. suppliers of these essential components of U.S. military systems."
If competition is now a national security issue what isn't? Is there any limit to what controls designed to prevent export of Nuclear and military technology be used for? I understand the Micron drama but it's an abuse to misuse export controls in this way for revenge.
The Trump administration seems to be fond of using that term to justify acts - but then Trump does seem to have a isolationist agenda, and this is the perfect approach to get his base worked up about foreign companies.
This won't stop alleged IP theft or anything else.
Ever since Trump declared Canada to be a threat to national security, it's really hard to take these declarations seriously.
I wonder what deal is he trying to wrangle from the company. Maybe he needs more investments in his golf courses and hotels.
So will China
Better the biting of the arm, well hand actually, happens now, rather than later on when the damage is even more irreparable.
Of course, once again, Trump is doing the bidding of his corporate masters. When he isn't busy holding his neo-nazi fascist white supremacist rallies, he is busy enabling them to gouge the American public.
Never mind the fact that Micron et. al have repeatedly engaged in price fixing. Never mind the fact that Chinese DRAM could provide much needed relief for the ridiculous DRAM prices and help computers. Somehow, the fact that the Chinese are threatening the profits of a billion dollar corporation is a matter of national security while the fact that we have people in synagogues being massacred by AR-15 welding far-right terrorists isn't.
They, and the communist party, can bare it.
An elected official? (And with term limits) Not so much.
Sometimes it takes a unpolished, sometimes a-hole to smash everything that's been going so wrong with globalization back in line. Well planned partnerships and fair cooperation is good for everyone but when someone steps out of line a stiff jab in the jaw will usually get them back in line, fast.
So will China
China knows Trump will be out by 2024 at the latest. Perhaps as soon as 2020, if everything at Walmart ends up with jacked up prices. Trump's support base aren't exactly the kind of people who enjoy spending more money for things (otherwise they wouldn't be so afraid of the socialism boogeyman).
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DRM is like antifreeze, to the MPAA/RIAA it's sweet, to the consumers it's poison.
US leftist will grab their ankles for the Chinese once Trump is gone.
They are already doing this on a regular basis to the detriment of governments every where. Currency speculation has become rampant and has a negative impact on market trading around the world.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/j...
Arent these made already in China?
Wrong. America can buy that same crap from s. Korea, Japan, Germany, and America. It may go up a bit, but it will drop again. But China will lose 10% of their economy, and that does not include the EU market which is also looking to follow suit.
The US is making anything in their hands to force the Chinese to become more independent in technology.
Let me tell what is going to happen,
- They are gong to buy the technology from other countries willing to selling it.
- US companies will lose business opportunities because now they are a competitive disadvantage with others companies willing to supply the same goods.
- Chinese companies who weren't able to compete because the preference for foreign technology, they now become an option and recollect more money that will
reinvest so their technology will become even better.
Remember folks, US put a ban on exporting Nuclear Technology to China, guess what nation is going to built HALF of the nuclear reactors in the world in the next ten years, you guessed, China.
How many reactors U.S. is planning to built in the next ten years, ZERO.
China are clearly IP thieves, have been for some while, and are working against the west with no idea or desire of how to play fair.
Is turnabout fair play? "Why America was the China of the 19th century."
* https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/12/06/we-were-pirates-too/
Thanks for fucking up the market for the whole world America.
Pretty much the same here. I have no respect for the man and I think having him as President cheapens the office, just as much as having Pervy Willy as President.
Yet, remember how we couldn't get to 4% economic growth without a magic wand? Two years ago getting unemployment down to 4% was impossible. It's at 3.7%.
In 2014, the unemployment rate for black people was over 11%. Now it's under 6%, the lowest in history.
That asshole is signing into law policies that work.
$15 an hour? Haha the mass inflation from increased wages and tariffs is already making $25 the bare minimum. The last 3 trips Iâ(TM)ve taken to the U.S. to visit my family have given me shell shock from the inflation. The cost of medication (only America sells drugs that allow you to work when you should be at home resting without prescriptions) is outrageous now. Breakfast cereal, milk, you name it... the prices are shocking.
The fact is, anything âoeAmericanâ is so expensive that with the exception of a Halloween costume, I havenâ(TM)t mail ordered from the U.S. in over a year. Iâ(TM)ve been ordering from China and the U.K. where the UK at least has cheap shipping.
Iâ(TM)m thinking more on this. Except Tesla, I havenâ(TM)t seen a new American car in a while. I havenâ(TM)t seen any of my friends by American anything for quite a long time. We buy a few billion dollars of Cisco equipment a year at work, but we are looking into agreements with Huawei now... we just canâ(TM)t afford Cisco anymore.
My sister makes $15 an hour and canâ(TM)t afford her car and she also receives government basic income (welfare/food stamps) and canâ(TM)t afford rent so lives with my dad.
No... more people may have jobs and even money, but things are definitely going downhill since the money is almost worthless now.
Dude. The Orange beast is fed by Russia. It's a natural gas steam engine.
number pulled from your ass...
Now that Bloomberg article makes sense: it was supposed to set the stage for this. The doubt thrown on it has made them walk back the rhetoric, so the 'national security' verbiage doesn't make so much sense any more. That said, aside from some novel rowhammer-style attack (was that ever fixed?), I can't see DRAM being a security problem. Reliability, yes, but not security.
In any case, the military will add it to their 'will not buy' list, just like other Chinese/Russian tech. Trying to impede the completion of the factory is unnecessary unless they think it'll produce relabeled counterfeits. Presumably, Chinese-made NAND isn't a problem? The NAND fab they're about to open is going to have 50% larger production than the world's current-largest NAND company, and that's going to cause prices to plummet fast.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
Wrong. America can buy that same crap from s. Korea, Japan, Germany, and America.
And where do you think they get it from?
You Americans sure loves to feed your middle men.
China has been exporting deflation to other countries by keeping prices low you idiot.
No Comma Faggot ... yadda, yadda, yadda ...
Has Slashdot been overtaken by degenerates ?
Can't they engage in any discussion without being abusive?
1 gallon of milk has always cost about the same as 1 gallon of gasoline.
Food in the US is cheap.
Medications are an indication of price gouging made possible by requiring everyone get "insurance".
That distorts the supply and demand curve, much in the way easy to get loans inflate college tuition prices.
Not to mention this jerk who milked it as much as he could.
Rents are going a little crazy in several cities, but only due to the number of people relocating to an area. Prices are quick to rise and slow to fall. Your best bet for rents is to have a generic job that can be done anywhere and move to a location that isn't in demand. Don't get attached to an area if it isn't affordable to you, be pragmatic. You can move back if you like once finances are fixed (i.e. owning multiple rentals in a cheaper city).
The cheapest car I've ever purchased was $800. It drove on the road for a couple years too.
This 3BR/2BA property is available as a rent-to-own for $395/month - within commute distance to Oklahoma City.
527 W College Avenue
Seminole, OK 74868
Work smarter, not harder.
Lots of Americas are dependent on Chinese made Iphones. Not sure how that can be seen as secure. Surely the fact that so many communications devices in the US use chinese made hardware is an even bigger national security risk.
"When a foreign company is entering a valuable market which we want to control, we will take action to protect the freedom and safety of the American people" blah blah blah.
"We invented all the things (with help of 5 million foreign H1B workers who account for 70% of the scientific output for the last 2 decades) and so everyone is stealing our IP" etc. etc.
The grand American delusion that nobody else knows how to invent, build, or make stuff.
Don't forget Canada have submarines to blast the US from behind! https://www.theglobeandmail.co...
About secret bugs installed in servers etc....
The notion of crying about IP theft is a bit dated.
The US has this weird corruption that Medicare isn't allowed to negotiate price of medicines.
The analogy with college tuition is apt. I suppose college needs more government funding and less loans. Contrary to "popular belief" that would be efficient and the general public or tax payers theoretically have their say. Very remote and theoretical say, but this shouldn't be given up.
With medications there's far less excuse for gouging. University real estate and professors are expensive, but making 100,000 boxes of pills instead of 50,000 isn't expensive at all. You in the US have an expensive Frankenstein system that doesn't answer any ideology anyway, capitalist or socialist or otherwise. It's some sort of mafia racket with Christian inspired necessity that keeps the emergency rooms open, because you can't be "evil" down to that point of locking ERs to the destitute and the working underclass or it would cause unacceptable health and sanitary problems.
Solving that single issue might solve much of what is wrong with the US (violence, poverty, financial insecurity) because the issue is so big.
that were exporting? Does the government make them whole? Of course the Chinese will explore the option of retaliating in kind.
So they ban exports to Fujian, but not purchasing and importing from the same company? Did I miss something in the announcement underneath all the chest-thumping?
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
The Chinese will take the ram, reverse engineer it, and then dump THEIRS on the market cheaper, driving out the competition, then jacking the price up when they have the entire market. How do you think they got so successful in everything else? They COPY everything. In fact, in most places, to do business there, you have to give up some of your property "secrets".