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US Indicts Chinese Hacker-Spies In Conspiracy To Steal Aerospace Secrets (gizmodo.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Gizmodo: The U.S. Justice Department has charged two Chinese intelligence officers, six hackers, and two aerospace company insiders in a sweeping conspiracy to steal confidential aerospace technology from U.S. and French companies. For more than five years, two Chinese Ministry of State Security (MSS) spies are said to have run a team of hackers focusing on the theft of designs for a turbofan engine used in U.S. and European commercial airliners, according to an unsealed indictment dated October 25. In a statement, the DOJ said a Chinese state-owned aerospace company was simultaneously working to develop a comparable engine.
The MSS officers involved were identified as Zha Rong, a division director in the Jiangsu Province regional department (JSSD), and Chai Meng, a JSSD section chief. At the direction of the MSS officers, the hackers allegedly infiltrated a number of U.S.-based aerospace companies, including California-based Capstone Turbine, among others in Arizona, Massachusetts, and Oregon, the DOJ said. The officers are also said to have recruited at least two Chinese employees of a French aerospace manufacturer -- insiders who allegedly aided the conspiracy by, among other acts, installing Sakula, a remote access trojan, onto company computers.
The MSS officers involved were identified as Zha Rong, a division director in the Jiangsu Province regional department (JSSD), and Chai Meng, a JSSD section chief. At the direction of the MSS officers, the hackers allegedly infiltrated a number of U.S.-based aerospace companies, including California-based Capstone Turbine, among others in Arizona, Massachusetts, and Oregon, the DOJ said. The officers are also said to have recruited at least two Chinese employees of a French aerospace manufacturer -- insiders who allegedly aided the conspiracy by, among other acts, installing Sakula, a remote access trojan, onto company computers.
You're forgetting the FBI has zero jurisdiction over a Saudi national being murdered in Turkey. What the fuck are you smoking, bot?
He's an American resident, and US journalist, and they do have jurisdiction over US residents. Lest you forget the 14th Amendment.
As Trump said, "you can't prove I haven't called the FBI in". He hadn't. He just didn't want to admit he hadn't.
Two of the people involved Jared and Trump are business partners of Prince Bone Saw. Jared was involved in getting Khashoggi barred from Saudi Arabia after he was critical of Trump in a press conference, via the same Prince Bone Saw. Trump and Jared certainly helped in the cover up afterwards. Trump's pathetic "I believe them".
This doesn't go away you know. Even as President he cannot help a foreign power murder a journalist he doesn't like and get away with it, he cannot help with the cover up afterwards. FBI need to investigate.
He is not above the law just because he pretends to be above the constitution.
Woah, check your islamophobia, bigot. Dismembering dissident journalists with a bone saw is part of rich Saudi culture. Stop trying to impose your judeo-christian white male values on other cultures.
Is this the chinese spy that worked for pelosi for two decades?
No? Still going to keep ignoring that one? Oh alright then.
Of course, China will continue spying on the west. They are in a cold war with the west.
The real problem here, is that the west has dropped our guard and continues to allow Chinese (and russian) spies in.
It is time to stop this insanity. We need to move security clearances back to the FBI.
Oddly, Trump is headed down the right road on this.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Interesting how the Chinese have so little confidence in their own capabilities they have to "borrow" it from other countries to the tune of years.
You're forgetting the FBI has zero jurisdiction over a Saudi national being murdered in Turkey.
If you're speaking as a matter of law then no. However, the United States is a powerful nation with the ability to inflict great economic harms upon those nations which displease her. In fact the economic power of the United States is so overwhelming that her vast military powers rarely need to be demonstrated. Like the French Marshals of Napoleon or the Roman Legates of centuries past, merely displaying the baton is enough to command obedience and respect. On top of that, just about every nation on this planet, including Turkey, receives trading privileges with access to the US markets along with rather generous allowances of foreign aid, cheap loans, military and diplomatic assistance. In that regard the United States can also be a powerful and useful friend. Most nations have decided that it's better to be our friend or at least not openly our enemy and when you think about the geopolitical situation along those lines I think you will agree that the opinion of the United States in these matters caries great influence, both with the Turks and the Saudis. Either one or both them will almost certainly be willing to make substantial concessions when they are asked for by the American President, especially when done in ways that save face because after all, nobody likes public humiliation. I believe that the situation will be resolved in due course in a way that maintains the status quo and allows both sides a face saving climb down from these fruitless and ultimately pointless escalations. A couple of years from now, few outside the diplomatic community will even remember what happened.
When hacker or spy just doesn't grab the attention of the public anymore, hacker-spy!
Ruining the world? What about the microprocessor, flight, the internet that you are currently using, the light bulb, GPS, nuclear power, etc.
Wake me up when they subpoena Jared's WhatsApp Saudi communications. Or Trumps business records connecting him to Prince Bone Saw. Or the 15 days of too-ing and fro-ing that resulted in the "died in fist fight" bullshit and Trumps "I believe them" unsustainable bullshit.
This needs a special prosecutor.
They should have enforced the emoluments clause from the start, should have prevented the non-governmental back channels via Jared. If the story of Jared's Saudi visit is true, then that's a major crime and should be investigated. It's not enough to block Jared from having security clearance, if he's already abused the temporary security clearance he had.
And then there's the $1.6 million dollar payoff for the abortion by Broidy. A well known middle east funding conduit. Man that is suspicious as f**k. Paid via Cohen, Trump's lawyer, with Keith M. Davidson involvement in all three (as fake lawyer to the two known Trump payoffs), same monikers, same timing, everything. That whole Broidy thing needs a special prosecutor too.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/us/politics/elliott-broidy-michael-cohen-payout.html
"During the wide-ranging October meeting, Mr. Broidy raised numerous topics high on the agenda of the United Arab Emirates, a country that has given his security company a contract worth hundreds of millions of dollars. He pitched the president on a paramilitary force his company was developing for the U.A.E. and urged Mr. Trump to fire Rex W. Tillerson, then the secretary of state, who the U.A.E. believed was insufficiently tough on its rival Qatar."
"The documents show that Mr. Broidy has worked closely with George Nader, an adviser to the U.A.E. and a witness in the special counsel’s investigation, to help steer Trump administration policy on numerous issues in the Middle East. Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, is examining Mr. Nader’s possible role in funneling Emirati money to finance Mr. Trump’s political efforts. There is no indication that Mr. Mueller’s team is looking into Mr. Broidy."
"In 2009, Mr. Broidy pleaded guilty to charges that he made nearly $1 million worth of illegal gifts to New York State officials in order to win an investment of $250 million from the state’s public pension fund. Among the gifts were trips to Israel and Italy, payouts to officials’ relatives and girlfriends and an investment in one relative’s production of a low-budget movie called “Chooch.”"
Off with the head and feed it to the peasants making apple bling.
You know your entire comment history is available for people to see, right Ivan?
No Hao
No one's saying China's actions are unreasonable from their perspective. But only because it makes sense for them to do it, doesn't mean that the US should allow it. If the US is in a position to do so it should most certainly thwart Chinese attempts to steal secrets.
At these kind of companies, I'm surprised they don't contract to a company that hires Chinese and other nationalities to approach their client's employees and try to turn them into agents. Better that you find out who on your team's corruptible, than the competition finding out first.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
If only the Europeans that the Americans stole from had been a bit more enlightened, we wouldn't have to put up with the America they turned into.
Well, apparently it didn't work because their rocket just blew up last week.
China actually services nearrly all its planes and can certainly deconstruct any commercial engine - so they can steal it fair and square in their own maintenance hangers. It is more likely they are stealing actual test results Vs claimed specifications. That way they can make better aftermarket parts, and not buy originals. More likely they were after how long it takes for the engine to fail under full military power.
Besides China already has a few drone and helicopter engines from Iraq - so they know what they have to acheive on 100% locally produced engines by 2025.
Isn't it... one of the key missions of the NSA was and is industrial espionage, and as they say "to retrieve technology of interest", but we never find out any names of the people who do it... but China and Russia, it's like they just post a large bulletin on the internet declaring their names, employments, roles, and procedures for everyone to see.
What's happening here is the U.S. tries to create discord with other countries by making up false accusations and indicting important people high up, hoping to create fallout within foreign governments or large corporations and industry when these people find out that suddenly they will be arrested basically for working for their own country and government.
Anyone involved in industry espionage like this would sit behind a computer screen with no information about them accessible at all.
Chinese, Russian, who cares? It's idiot bureaucrats, derping like the best of the "cybar h4xx0r" derps.
US companies like Google, Facebook etc are constantly mining data and spying on people. But if the Chinese move a muscle then BOOM! Massive outcry.
Gives a new meaning to the old slur, "Chinese copy," doesn't it.
{^_-}
This is a game of chess. "Stealing" is a move we wish to prevent "the other guy" from making. How it makes you feel... (one way or the other) probably isn't relevant.
....ain't nationalism just grand, though?! ;)
First of all, your original post is spoken like someone planting fake issues against the US. Maybe you're a Chinese government troll working to divert attention from the main issue presented.
Next, the issue you raise isn't an American issue at all with the minor exception of the fact that Khashoggi worked for the Washington Post. Sure the Saudis are scum for doing this, and you're blaming Trump for that? As if the previous administration wasn't in bed with them too? Get a grip.
Just another day in Paradise
Russians must stay silent ? Why exactly.
Remember - talking is better than shooting if your archers use Plutonium arrows.
P&W, GE, Rolls-Royce and other brand turbines disintegrate all the time. There is no such thing as perfect technology.
The guy was not a journalist. He was an opinion writer, a very high level member of the Muslim Brotherhood and a top level Turkish intelligence official/asset. He was a scumbag and we are all better off with him dead. Three cheers for the Saudis doing the right thing and ending this piece of shit.
Why else do you think the British knew this was coming 3 weeks in advance and let it happen?
Wow thank you, Armchair Cold Warrior Spy Guy, for sharing your in depth real world experience as an international spy! I feel so much smarter after reading your well founded post!
Which video game or Hollywood movie taught you all that? I want to be as smart as you!
And they don't need any process specifications for the creation of turbine metals and other materials.
As if the previous administration wasn't in bed with them too? Get a grip.
However, the similar situation was not occurred during the previous administration, so you don't know how they would react to the situation. Though, in your tone, you implied that the administration would react the same as this one.
So, we will be asking Israel to return Palestinian land when?
It's the Russians CNN told me so.
The Chinese don't really need to grab anything, they own many Airbus and Boeing planes with those engines.
Back in the 1960's they bought a few British passenger planes and made literally Chinese copies of the engines just fine.
With the exception of perhaps the light bulb, it could be argued that all of those things you listed are ruining the world. Microprocessors and Internet are used to invade people's privacy, flight presumably contributes to global warming, GPS is used for military purposes, nuclear power generates pools of radioactive waste fuel rods that have no safe disposal procedures, etc...
Because the USA totally lacks skilled engineers and therefore has to poach them from abroad or from foreign student programs.
Send all Chinese students home.
Make all Chinese owned companies give up 51% of their control to Americans.
Make China choose to either trade with the USA and allow territories within it to choose their own political systems (Tibet, HongKong, Macau, Taiwan)
or
keep their grip, disallow freedom of speech, travel, assembly and not trade with the USA. It is clear that cutting off Qualcom, Microsoft, Cisco, would destroy their ability to compete throughout the rest of the world for many years.
Being nice to China hasn't been good for the world.
How it works:
When you want to come to the west the Chinese Government will remind you that you still have family in China. If your working somewhere where they might want some information they simply will ask you to get it.
Simple.