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Micron Kicks Off Mass Production of 12Gb DRAM Chips (anandtech.com)
Micron is now producing its first LPDDR4X memory devices using its second-generation 10nm-class process technology. "The new memory devices offer standard LPDDR4X data transfer rates of up to 4.266 Gbps per pin and consumes less power than earlier LPDDR4 chips," reports AnandTech. From the report: Micron's LPDDR4X devices are made using the company's 1Y-nm fabrication tech and feature a 12 Gb capacity. The manufacturer says that its LPDDR4X memory chips consume 10% less power when compared to its LPDDR4-4266 products; this is because they feature a lower output driver voltage (I/O VDDQ), which the LPDDR4X standard reduces by 45%, from 1.1 V to 0.6 V. Micron's 12 Gb (1.5 GB) LPDDR4X devices feature a slightly lower capacity than competing 16 Gb (2 GB) LPDDR4X offerings, but they are also cheaper to manufacture. As a result, Micron can offer lower-cost quad-die 64-bit LPDDR4X-4266 packages with a 48 Gb (6 GB) capacity and a 34.1 GB/s bandwidth than some of its competitors.
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Are they fixed yet?
So did Jinhua Integrated Circuit Company.
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As someone who worked in semi-conductor CAD, 1Y-nm confused me.
I found an article in EE Times that explains is using 19 nm to 10 nm as three nodes at 1X, 1Y, 1Z, with X, Y, and Z to be defined later.
This might be useful to you. It explains how light matter and time work. And its simple enough to explain in reasoned postulates.
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Postulate A: Mass isn't real
Postulate B: the energy in light is also 'kinetic'
Postulate C: Light bind force must be cyclical
Postulate D: only 2 fundamental particles are possible
Postulate E:
Postulate E2:
POSTULATE F: The speed of light is obvious
POSTULATE G:
POSTULATE H:
Postulate I:
Postulate J:
Postulate J2:
Postulate K:
Postulate L:
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Postulate D: only 2 fundamental particles are possible
What is the smallest number of things that could account for only the known properties of atomic level
particles, without introducing extra properties that don't exist?
The known properties are charge (+magnetism), size, gravity.
From +ve and -ves you get: charge, magnetism (from spinning), size, and dipolar clumping effects (water, crystal formation, etc).
i.e. 1 to 1 mapping of properties, just using +ve and -ve fundamental particles.
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Can there be more than 2 particles?
If you had another fundamental particle with another property, say "cuteness", then atomic level particles could also differ in cuteness. And aggregates of 100 of these particles would differ in "cuteness"*100.
You'd have 'cuteicity' like you have 'electricity'.
Since we don't have properties like cuteness in atomic particles, neither can the fundamental particles have these properties.
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Can there be a neutral particle? One that contributes to size but not charge?
No, because you'd need some extra binding mechanism, and that would suffer the "cutenatism" issue above.
That binding force would leak out in larger particles.
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Can there be balancing properties, e.g. cute, anti-cute.
No, any rules that requires a balancing number of cute, anti-cute particles, would also rule out the unbalanced single fundamental particle.
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You can make a model that defines K particles, you can find each one of those K particles. But those particles must be compound not fundamental. Finding them is not proof they are fundamental.
So there can only be two fundamental particles +ve and -ve no more.
Postulate D is correct if you don't have extra properties at atomic and higher levels.
Postulate D also stems from postulate A.
If light and matter are interchangable then any cute properties cannot exist in matter if they don't also exist in light.
Postulate A: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12866516&cid=57598384
Postulate B: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12869268&cid=57599376
Postulate C: https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12870718&cid=57604074
Which brings us to E1 and E2, electric force propagates at infinity. It's the effect on spinning dipoles that propagates at the speed of light.
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Postulate A: Mass isn't real
Postulate B: the energy in light is also 'kinetic'
Postulate C: Light bind force must be cyclical
Postulate D: only 2 fundamental particles are possible
Postulate E: the only force is electric
Postulate E2: Electric force propagates instantly
POSTULATE F: The speed of light is obvious
POSTULATE G:
POSTULATE H:
Postulate I:
Postulate J:
Postulate J2:
Postulate K:
Postulate L:
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Postulate E: there cannot be more forces than electric
If the only particles are +ve and -ve (postulate D), then the only force is electric.
Magnetic stems directly from the spin.
Gravity is an organizational force (like other dipolar clumping, water, crystaline etc.).
Hence the light/matter binding force (Postulate C) must be electric
Hence if Postulate D) then Postulate E must be true.
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Postulate E2: Electric force propagates instantly
Hypothesis:
Matter is some complex system of particles (m1 m2 m3...) and effects (e1 e2 e3 e4...)
m1 e1 m2 e2 m3 e3 m4..
Applying a force to m1, requires e1 execute some effect that takes time,
which applies the force to m2, which requires effect e2 take some time,
which passes the force to m3, and so on.
For matter of oscillating dipolar nature, m1, m2 , m3 , m4... must be bound by some wave relationship (because their forces are wave like).
A velocity on m1 would also result in a phase change between m1 and m2.
A phase change requires a partial spin to correct.
A partial spin takes time.
In other words e1, e2,e3... are not zero, for oscillating dipolar matter.
In other words the delay for electric force passing through matter is from the wave nature not the force.
So if there's no wave nature (e.g. all monopoles), we have electric force, but no delay.
So the electric force propagates instantly as a direct force, and with a delay when passing through dipolar stuff.
Postulate E2 is true for dipole stuff.
Postulate A: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12866516&cid=57598384
Postulate B: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12869268&cid=57599376
Postulate C: https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12870718&cid=57604074
Postulate D: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615478
If the time taken to propagate electric force is a function of the time taken for 1 dipole oscillation..... i.e. a phase change
And if you can bind dipoles at 1:1 1:2 1:3 1:4 to other dipoles
And if matter binds at 1:1 to other matter
Then you could 'theortically' build a circuit where all matter dipoles spin twice as face, electrons, protons, molecules... all made of dipoles spinning twice as fast like a form of stationary light. Except its matter.
Cut the phase changes to half, and electric force will propagate through such a circuit at 2C!
Sure I make it sound easy, by avoiding little things like making it, and isolating it so that 1:1 maximum doesn't mess it up..... but ....
OK, so you we can get to the stupidly obvious value for the speed of light! 1W per Spin
Yeh, that's all it is. It's just the wavelength of the matter dipole per spin of the matter dipole....
Postulate A: Mass isn't real
Postulate B: the energy in light is also 'kinetic'
Postulate C: Light bind force must be cyclical
Postulate D: only 2 fundamental particles are possible
Postulate E: the only force is electric
Postulate E2: The binding force (Postulate C) is electric
POSTULATE F: The speed of light is obvious
POSTULATE G: What is Time
POSTULATE H:
Postulate I:
Postulate J:
Postulate J2:
Postulate K: How fast do forces propagate?
Postulate L:
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POSTULATE F: The speed of light is 1W per Matter Spin
Matter is oscillating dipoles forming a traveling wave. The oscillation frequency is 1F.
Matter traces out a wavelength of W. So the traveling wavelength is also W.
Light is oscillating dipoles. The oscillation frequency is 2F. :1 spin, the strongest bind.
Light travels at some velocity C that turns 2 spins into 1 spin, so it can bind to matter at 1 spin
Hence the speed of light is 1W per spin of a matter dipole.
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Consider a simple bind case, light travels alongside matter
At points x=0,x=W, x=2W the dipoles of matter are in phase.
So light spins twice for every one spin of matter, and it also travels 1W in the same period.
i.e. it was in phase as it moved and bound to the matter at the first spin harmonin.
This is a strongest binding possible. In phase and 1 spin to 1 spin.
You can also see where the cyclical nature of of lights binding force comes from (Postulate C).
If light travelled multiples of W relative to matter, its just bound at a different harmonic.
eg. 2 spins for 1 spin.
Postulate A: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12866516&cid=57598384
Postulate B: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12869268&cid=57599376
Postulate C: https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12870718&cid=57604074
Postulate D: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615478
Postulate E, E2: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615516
I cheated, I swapped one magic number for another magic number. Replacing C with W derived from F.
The basis that all dipoles even out to be coherent, due to their interactions, like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v5eBf2KwF8
But that gives us a magic number 'F". Where did F come from?
Well from the peasoup model (my simulation of dipole stuff), F simply depends on the start conditions. Spread out some random monopoles, set the model off and you get a different F each time!
i.e. F is arbitrary for any universe and so the speed of light is also arbitrary!
THIS DOES NOT MATTER!
Imagine two universes that began as monopole stuff, big bang, dipole stuff.... their F would be different.
If those two universes (F1, F2) merged the value of F would change to some balance with the new merged F1 and F2.
Postulate G explains the nature of time, which helps understand why the value of F is irrelevant (and best defined as the value 1)!
Only when moved off DRAM will that be eliminated from the storing device.
That said, there is probably reasonable methods of forced address order limits implemented at the controller level that can make it near impossible to compromise. This will have likely have some surprise performance hits on certain addressing patterns though.
Roll on MRAM, I say.
1) Standard model has particles that travel backwards in time, but no solution for the causal effects such a thing would have.
2) Standard model has extra forces that only exist at the smallest level and disappear otherwise.
3) It has particles as force, but no explanation as to why these particles are always there in exactly the right amount... or what they'd be like alone.
4) It fails to tackle gravity
5) Quantum mechanism has time travelling effects to.
6) It has "Entanglement" which is just filtering induced correlation. I've bashed away at this many times and every experiment you do including the Delft one, simply adds a different type of filter.
7) You have no explanation of what happens when mass turns to light and back.
8) Astro Physics has black holes with escape velocities faster than the speed of light.... yet that requires mass, so you have a fixup to add a psuedo mass to light. To explain why massless light cannot escape a black hole!
9) But then you have gravity propagating at C (based on observation), confusing a force and the effect of the force. You are measuring the effect not the force!
10) And if gravity cannot escape a black hole, what is sucking in all the matter?.... so you bend space and time around the black hole to account for it.
But then this effect 'magically' propagates at infinity, because otherwise it would not escape the black hole.
11) You have two mechanisms that bend light, and only ever try to explain one as if its separate and different from the other (gravity and diffraction)
12) No explanation for the speed of light
13) You fail to address the speed of light in matter, or the difference between matter and light
Let's be frank about physics, it's garbage. You bury your head in your equations, and hope they explain things, and you make basic logic flaws.
This model is how it is. It's not going away. And STFU mod points, don't work.
I’m holding out for LVPQDR5Z99 chips. The more letters and numbers it has, the more awesome it is, right? Why in 2018 are people settling for only DOUBLE data rate (DDR,) we should hold out at least for triple data rate (TDR) as a minimum!
Honestly... are they seriously going to keep jamming more letters and numbers onto things?
Our reign has gone on long enough. Indeed. Summon the meteors.
Postulate A: Mass isn't real
Postulate B: the energy in light is also 'kinetic'
Postulate C: Light bind force must be cyclical
Postulate D: only 2 fundamental particles are possible
Postulate E: the only force is electric
Postulate E2: The binding force (Postulate C) is electric
POSTULATE F: The speed of light is obvious
POSTULATE G: Time is measured in spins
POSTULATE H:
Postulate I:
Postulate J:
Postulate J2:
Postulate K: How fast do forces propagate?
Postulate L:
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POSTULATE G: Time is measured in spins
If everything is made of spinning coherent dipoles, including us. Including all measuring equipment, all experiments.
Every experiment run in this universe has been run with dipoles coherent to this universe.
If this universes dipoles oscillated twice as fast, everything would interact the same because all the binding
forces relate to the *difference* in spins not any kind of absolute value of rate of spin.
To us everything would be the same. Because we perceive time only in terms of the relative spins relative to our dipole stuff.
So time is not real. It's just a measure of the number of spins.
POSTULATE G: The unit of time is spins
Postulate A: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12866516&cid=57598384
Postulate B: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12869268&cid=57599376
Postulate C: https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12870718&cid=57604074
Postulate D: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615478
Postulate E & E2: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615516
Postulate F: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615700
Suppose you build an electronic circuit exactly like today.
Suppose you somehow were able to double the frequency of the underlying dipoles that make up that circuit.
With Postulate G, the circuit performs *exactly* the same.
Only the speed of light for that circuit is 2C instead of C.
And it all works the same *but*. If this circuit (made of spinning dipoles at 2F) manages to bind to the matter around it at 1:1 (1 spin of matter to 1 spin of circuit dipole), the it will travel at C.
Instead of being stationary, it will shoot off somewhere at the speed of light.
This would be a tech support nightmare.... "Hello Micron.... my DRAM shot off the planet at the speed of light...."
Why can't we get those kind of speeds for DDR4-4266 PC DIMMs? Those are almost impossible to get and then at insane prices.If RAM companies produce this kind of RAM normally, which isn't even specified by JEDEC, so they have to make it cheaper than the competition, then why are there no such DIMMs available?
https://pcpartpicker.com/produ... shows there is basically none from Crucial/Micron. Gamers and generally Ryzen owners would pay lots of money for it. Heck, even good and expensive Crucial DDR4-3200 has Samsung chips on it cause Micron apparently can't deliver.
We've identified this poster.
12 Gb seems wrong. Why would DRAM chips be measured in Gb? It would make more sense to be in GiB ?
Have I got your attention yet? This is where the wavelength of light comes from, and also where its magnetic field comes from.
Postulate A: Mass isn't real
Postulate B: the energy in light is also 'kinetic'
Postulate C: Light bind force must be cyclical
Postulate D: only 2 fundamental particles are possible
Postulate E: the only force is electric
Postulate E2: The binding force (Postulate C) is electric
POSTULATE F: The speed of light is obvious
POSTULATE G: Time is measured in spins
POSTULATE H: All dipoles are equal, matter,even red and blue light
Postulate I:
Postulate J:
Postulate J2:
Postulate K: How fast do forces propagate?
Postulate L:
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POSTULATE H: All dipoles are equal, even red and blue light
Dipoles's spin is an in-place oscillation.
Each pole moves towards the center and back out to the extreme. Tracing out a flattened wave along the diameter.
It's easier to understand it in terms of energy. At the extremes they are all potential energy across their electric field.
At the center they are all kinetic energy (deriving from velocity over electric force).
They have no mass, there is no inertia at this level. Just energy, and electric force.
So they simply flip between kinetic, potential, kinetic potential, pulsating rather than spinning.
If you applied a force to an *undisturbed* dipole, the oscillation turns into a spin.
Imagine a single isolated dipole oscillating up and down. Push it left, and you've spread out the up-down movement into a ellipse.
Stop pushing and it returns to an up- down oscillation along a line.
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All dipoles are the same, same frequency, same magnitude, all coherent.
They all have exactly the same energy. So how does wavelength of light work?
Red light has a longer wavelength than blue light.
Red light has less energy than blue light. It is less energy dense.
Dipole R is red light, it has wavelength WR
Dipole B is blue light, it has wavelength WB
Dipole M is matter, it has a wavelength of W
The wave of red light takes WR/W dipolar oscillation to trace out.
The wave of blue takes WB/W dipole oscillations to trace out
WR/W > WB/W, i.e. it takes more spins to trace out red's wave than blue's wave.
Conversely the density of energy in red light is less.
W/WR W / WB
Per spin (the unit of time Postulate G), red light provides less energy than blue light!
If a dipole is spinning at the same frequency with the same magnitude, how can it take longer to trace out a wave?
It's really really simple.
For undisturbed matter the dipole oscillation moves up and down in a line.
For light it rotates about an axis normal to the direction of travel and normal to the oscillation.
Note that light must have a second field if it spins in a plane like this.... i.e. it's magnetism comes from the circular spin.
Postulate A: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12866516&cid=57598384
Postulate B: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12869268&cid=57599376
Postulate C: https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12870718&cid=57604074
Postulate D: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615478
Postulate E & E2: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615516
Postulate F: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615700
Postulate G: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12877158&cid=57615906
So we've covered, mass (binding potential, not real), force (all derive from electric), time (periodicity of spin), speed of light (wave length of spin per spin), why the effects of electric force take time to propagate but the electric force is instant.
You've got a simple understanding of how light and matter are the same thing.
We've got every dipole identical, all the same energy, all the spin dipole size.
Despite this, we have waves that travel at C, and have different energys and different wavelengths DESPITE BEING TRACED OUT BY THE SAME DIPOLES WITH THE SAME ENERGIES.
And I've explained in a way that a 14yo can understand.
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Then the innvation-cravers who worship money and material thought they needed something like this too. Now we have LQBTABCDEFXZ. And people who identify as "diaper fetishist".
12 is a strange number. I'm used to seeing ram come in some power of 2, i.e., 4, 8, 16, etc.
Do these chips need a special memory controller or are memory controllers configurable to handle any chip size?