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New Parents Complain Amazon Baby-Registry Ads Are Deceptive (wsj.com)

Unwanted gifts arrive after friends click on promotions tucked into wish lists. From a report: Kima Nieves recently received two Aveeno bath-time sets and a box of Huggies diapers through her baby registry on Amazon. The only problem? The new mother didn't ask for the products, or even want them. Instead, Johnson & Johnson and Kimberly-Clark each paid Amazon.com hefty sums to place those sponsored products onto Ms. Nieves's and other consumers' baby registries. The ads look identical to the rest of the listed products in the registry, except for a small gray "Sponsored" tag. Unsuspecting friends and family clicked on the ads and purchased the items, assuming Ms. Nieves had chosen them. "Very sneaky," said the 28-year-old health-care analyst from Fredericksburg, Va. "That's friends' and family's money going somewhere we didn't approve of."

Amazon in recent years has charged into advertising, building the third-largest digital ad business in the U.S. after Alphabet's Google and Facebook, according to eMarketer. Its ad revenue is on pace to double this year, to $5.8 billion, eMarketer estimates. As Amazon has monetized more space on its website, shoppers are increasingly encountering sponsored ads. Amazon is "starting to see how far they can push things," said Harry Brignull, a U.K.-based consultant who specializes in spotting web-design tactics that get people to click on something. Amazon's sponsored ads have appeared in its baby registries for more than a year. Responding to a Wall Street Journal inquiry about the ads, an Amazon spokeswoman declined to comment on criticism that the ads are deceptive, but said the retailer is now phasing out the sponsored listings. "We're constantly experimenting with new ways to improve the shopping experiences for customers," she said.

58 comments

  1. bad marketing by Moblaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if they were smarter they'd make them add-on bundle products, clearly marketed as such (perhaps w a special discount, as this would encourage gifters to add-on the products and get the new parents hooked on them)

    mainlining the sponsored products among parent-selected ones is very shortsighted and likely to lead to anger, because a registry should be a "trusted" information source

    1. Re: bad marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is why you have to read the page before you press buttons

  2. Lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Former Amazon employee in marketing research... Not surprised at all.

  3. It gets worse. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Funny

    Kima Nieves recently received two Aveeno bath-time sets and a box of Huggies diapers through her baby registry on Amazon. The only problem? The new mother didn't ask for the products, or even want them.

    Not only that, she didn't make a baby registry on amazon, never even had a baby and wasn't even a woman! ;)

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    1. Re:It gets worse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have read the name as "Zima" and naturally assumed he was a gay male.

    2. Re: It gets worse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Should I have asked which gender neutral pronoun that Zima prefers? Maybe xerself? Welcome to 2018.

    3. Re: It gets worse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Schlee, of course.

  4. Buy your own stuff by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> Registries are deceptive to people buying crap for new parents

    Buy your own stuff |
    Avoid problems with registries |
    Millennials wreck everything |
    Burma Shave!

    1. Re:Buy your own stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how old you are, that you think registries are something new.

    2. Re:Buy your own stuff by Megol · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, they have been here since at least Windows 3.1!

    3. Re: Buy your own stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He made a Burma Shave reference, so heâ(TM)s on his way out yeah

    4. Re:Buy your own stuff by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Avoid problems with registries

      A registry is... very old. Recent advances include the 2004 addition of combining registries across multiple stores. It's purpose is to let people not duplicate gifts with each other and/or what the recipient doesn't want.

      Since baby showers (and the gifts that went with them) started during the post-WWII baby boom, your mom most likely had one, and received gifts (although maybe you're old than 70). This is no different than a friend of hers telling everyone that what your mom really wants are Amway products, available through the friend. It's just automated and computerized.

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  5. Take it to 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon could have only done better here if they were also pushing their supply of counterfeit or grey-market crap (since they've offloaded > %50 of their merchandise to unaccountable "3rd party" sellers). HEY LADY! You had a baby? We helped you out by adding some deceptive-I-mean-sponsored ads in your registry for fake formula, complete with melamine!

  6. Friggin millenials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Canâ(TM)t be assed to put any thought or effort into baby shower shopping. Just log onto amazon, click mindlessly away and then be surprised when you bought stuff you didnâ(TM)t intend to.

    SAD.

    1. Re:Friggin millenials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, there are tons of non-tech savvy Aunts, Grandmas, etc. and they see the list title and then the shit ads under it. This is totally deceptive and will generate a lawsuit. I'll also state that the A9 or whatever ad matching they have sucks complete ass. Ad systems have been around for almost 20 years and Amazon's team are complete garbage. It wouldn't be half as bad if the ads were actually relevant and things a new parent would want.

    2. Re:Friggin millenials by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      These grandmas are the same ones targeted by scammers on Disney. Whenever Disney releases a new movie based on a public domain property, a scam animation company whips out their own story on it, shoves it out on blue ray or dvd, and hopes grandma going to buy "Pochahontas" or "Little Mermaid" or something for dear little one buys the wrong one.

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    3. Re: Friggin millenials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, what's the escalation of this? Pay someone to break into houses and add Johnson & Johnson products to the shopping list on the fridge. Behold, sales go up. That means it's good for the economy and we should continue to allow home break-ins.

      Two parties are wrong here: the vendors for doing it, and Amazon for allowing it. It's blatantly deceptive.

  7. If it's a gift by bobstreo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Return the unwanted items and buy what you actually wanted.

    Not indicating paid advertisements as such is unacceptable.

    1. Re:If it's a gift by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not indicating paid advertisements as such is unacceptable.

      They indicate sponsored ads, but do so by using a small, grey banner (not much darker than the background white) right below the product name. It's underhanded, but in terms of internet sponsored ads/content sadly par for the course. The issue is inserting them into what are essentially private lists. That's where the line has been crossed. If they want to have at the bottom of the list a clearly demarcated section of "related" or "suggested" products, fine, but paid listings should not be interspersed through the list.

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    2. Re:If it's a gift by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "They indicate sponsored ads, but do so by using a small, grey banner (not much darker than the background white) right below the product name. It's underhanded, "

      Well, people complained about flashy, jumping and moving ads and this is the result.

      People who don't read what's on the fucking screen but only watch the pretty pictures will always have problems like these.

    3. Re:If it's a gift by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      This is what everyone's doing now, hiding ads in "lists of things" that aren't ads. Twitter started this, making tweets that are actual ads appear in your feed, distinguishable only by a small label at the bottom, and I've noticed numerous websites following suit.

      I agree with the poster who said return these gifts on principle. It costs both Amazon and the advertiser if you do this, fucking both over. In the mean time I wish uBlock and AdBlock et al would get their acts together and start blocking this kind of content - it's usually easy, just not using CSS-style rules.

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    4. Re:If it's a gift by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, people complained about flashy, jumping and moving ads and this is the result.

      No, it isn't. The "ads" have been moved from where they should be to look like regular content. That's deceptive, not pandering to user requests.

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    5. Re:If it's a gift by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Not indicating paid advertisements as such is unacceptable.

      Apparently, they were indicated, but not very noticeably and the ads were placed in a spot the viewers weren't expecting to see paid advertisements, so they don't really get off the hook.

    6. Re:If it's a gift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, people complained about flashy, jumping and moving ads and this is the result.

      That's like saying "People complained about getting punched in the face, so the attacker stopped and now slowly poisons their water supply. That's the natural result!"
      as if either of those things are OK in the first place.

      People who don't read what's on the fucking screen but only watch the pretty pictures will always have problems like these.

      So what about people that do read what's on the fucking screen? They will have the same issue.
      In fact why did you bother differentiating the two groups? You don't actually even realize what happened?

      If you search for "1 TB external USB 3 hard drive", you will get a listing of items matching that description.
      Right at the top of the list will be entries labeled as "Sponsored", as they pay Amazon to be at the top of the list.
      The thing you are missing is, the things marked "Sponsored" in those results *will still be 1 TB external USB3 hard drives*

      The search results themselves are accurate so far as the item you searched for.
      Only the *order* of the results gets changed by being sponsored.

      If I added a "1 TB external USB 3 hard drive" to my baby registry (don't judge) that happened to also be a sponsored item, of course it will be tagged as sponsored!

      Why you think a sponsored item I added to my list would for some reason not show up as such is beyond me.
      Also why you think anyone else would have questioned if I added it is confusing as well. There would be absolutely NO reason to assume I didn't put it there. These registries didn't work that way in the past, they don't look any different now, so upon what complete lack of any difference are you expecting to determine there is some difference?

      The very fact the search results have and continue to operate contrary to that would actually reinforce an assumption of "it looks no different, so there is no reason to think it is different"

    7. Re:If it's a gift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, people complained about flashy, jumping and moving ads and this is the result.

      No, it isn't. The "ads" have been moved from where they should be to look like regular content.

      If you think ads aren't regular content, you've been offline for too long.

  8. This sort of behaviour is why I ditched Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cancelled my Amazon account two years after they not once, but twice, tried to sign me up for Amzon prime by the use of a sneaky checkbox placed on the order form which was so small and inconspicuous I didn;t spot it was pre checked when making an rder..

    Even though they do have some great bargains that co-workers occasionally alert me to I've not felt compelled to use them since and will never do so again. If they were the very last shop on earth I'd live off bush tucker.

    Sorry I'm not dealing with a company without morals or ethics.

  9. FUCK FLAT DESIGN & KILL ALL MILLENIALS by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    not much darker than the background white

    It doesn't necessarily follow that they were intending to be deceptive. Maybe they were just copying everything else on the internet.

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    1. Re:FUCK FLAT DESIGN & KILL ALL MILLENIALS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kill all millenials? are we supposed to believe you are a gangster and not some fatted up neck beard covered in cheeto dust?

    2. Re:FUCK FLAT DESIGN & KILL ALL MILLENIALS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon is absolutely OCD about the web design. Every single pixel is what it is for a reason.

      So if these ads are a certain shade of grey, that is intentional. And if that makes it deceptive, it is intentionally deceptive, not accidentally.

  10. That's the worst part by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    To me the worst part of the whole thing is not that the person received something they did not want - it's that someone meaning to buy them something they did want was tricked into buying something they did not. :-(

    It's a way to turn a nice gesture into a crappy experience. So even if you can return something it taints the whole reason to have a registry, at a time when you have no free time to worry about things like returns.

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    1. Re:That's the worst part by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      To me the worst part of the whole thing is not that the person received something they did not want - it's that someone meaning to buy them something they did want was tricked into buying something they did not. :-(

      Yeah, I've been wanting to talk to you about that case of Metamucil I gave you as a wedding present...

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  11. Sanity check by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I'd expect that if three people with a total IQ of over 60 had sat down and thought about it for five minutes they'd have concluded that this was a bad idea.

    Unsupervised millenials again.

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    1. Re:Sanity check by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Unsupervised millenials again.

      Bezos sets the tone for his company, and he's nowhere near "millennial".

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    2. Re:Sanity check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd expect that if three people with a total IQ of over 60 had sat down and thought about it for five minutes

      If Amazon had such workers at their disposal, they'd use the five minutes for a much needed toilet break rather than something as incompatible with company culture such as thinking.

  12. FTC by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    Since the FTC is cracking down on social media ads not being clearly marked as such. I'd suspect Amazon will be contacted by them shortly. Even though Amazon did mark them as ads, I expect the FTC will be coming out with new rules specifying what "clearly marked" means.

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    1. Re: FTC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll merely make the definition of "clearly marked" a 1x1 transparent image

  13. Why I stopped shopping at Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's one of the main reasons I stopped shopping at Amazon: it's all so deceptive.

    Their search results are cluttered with ads. On top of that they don't even show me what I'm searching for. Instead they try to upsell me more expensive shit. The same damn ad often gets repeated on every page of the search results ... sometimes multiple times on the same freaking page. I have to skip over all these ads. You are actively wasting my time while I try to spend money with you! Fuck that!

  14. Johnson & Johnson are evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are one of the worst companies I have encountered. Their products are scented (which is not good for baby skin), and clearly marketed at the grandparent generation. Without them, the world would be a better place, where maybe you could buy actually useful and healthy baby products.

  15. ADs or poor store design? by merky1 · · Score: 1

    Everyone is getting upset over the ad concept, but the reality is that the Amazon "store" is poorly designed. The fact that the UI pops a sponsored link in the middle of the visual area should be a giant red flag to any retailer in the world.

    It's what happens when an MBA comes in and make suggestions that while technically valid and short term boosts, the long term effect is not positive.

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    1. Re:ADs or poor store design? by Spamalope · · Score: 1

      Other than the focus group and market testing to find out what style ad is technically notice while not actually being noticed by the largest percentage of shoppers. Notice designed and product tested to make sure it's not noticed isn't poor design.

    2. Re:ADs or poor store design? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon has always had poor search with all sorts of odd irrelevant boosting in A9. If you search Amazon this year you will see a ton of blended ads that take a whole mouse swipe to get past to the actual search results. Then you get the page 2 search problem (anyone in search knows this) where boosts and comment text start bubbling up socks when you are searching for car parts. Google till about a long time even after IPO was notorious for queries going random on page 2 (almost like it wasn't giving back actual query results and google was mostly a scam compared to other engines - sshhh).

      For Amazon this has more to do with 'important' MBAs bitching about their feifdoms not getting clicks than 'boosting' customer engagement and actual sales. Walmart suffered from this for about a decade on even single word queries... A9 and Walmart both have been improving, but it is a long road to get the stupid business people the hell out of customer search engagement.

      I would assume their ad system is similar with an eye on most placements over actual matching related content.

  16. Private Gift Lists by Only+Time+Will+Tell · · Score: 1

    Not to be one of those 'slippery slope' guys, but if Amazon thinks its OK to add items to people's baby registeries, other gift lists and wedding registeries are sure to follow. Newly married couples will find undersired items bought for them by mistake, and Christmas will be awkward getting the lastest Taylor Swift CD when it wasn't asked for. If Amazon wants to add a clearly marked off "Other Suggested Items" section where companies can pay for space, that's one thing, but to use subtle marking and place items in the actual list is deceptive.

    1. Re: Private Gift Lists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This whole thing reminds me of when Apple gave everyone the new U2 albu"for free" LOL.

  17. Adblock needs a "sponsored" list by hawk · · Score: 1

    I would love a filter that simply blocked *all* "sponsored" content.

    I don't have a problem with ads that don't blink/move/bleat, don't slow my page loading, and don't track me. I've *never* blocked anything just for being an ad, even in the junkbuster era.

    But sponsored results are something I never considered, so eliminating them would save me effort.

    hawk

  18. You're so so wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The story indicates that companies sold additional product with this clever method. Obviously it was a great idea.

  19. We're constantly experimenting with new ways by fredrated · · Score: 1

    to steal from our customers.

    1. Re:We're constantly experimenting with new ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bozos is a frothing Democrat, after all, so clearly he knows which diapers are best for your little brat. Why is Slashdot whining against their own interest here?

  20. EXTREMELY bad marketing! by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 0

    "if they were smarter they'd make them add-on bundle products, ..."

    Exactly! I'm seeing many, many examples of Amazon managers not being smart.

    It is VERY important to recognize ALL of the abusiveness of Amazon. Only a small part of that is mentioned here, in this re-post of a former comment, with added information:

    My opinion: Jeff Bezos is not a sufficiently capable manager. Evidence: Look at any Amazon web page. As you are researching some product that is interesting, you are often distracted by other products. One fix: Put any distractions at the bottom of the page. There are many other shortcomings of the Amazon web site.

    A few of the stories about Amazon being abusive:

    Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace. (New York Times, Aug. 15, 2015)

    Quote: "The company is conducting an experiment in how far it can push white-collar workers..."

    Amazon warehouse jobs push workers to physical limit (Seattle Times, April 3, 2012)

    Worse than Wal-Mart: Amazon's sick brutality and secret history of ruthlessly intimidating workers (Salon.com, Feb. 23, 2014)

    Amazon paid no US income taxes for 2017 (SeattlePI, Feb. 27, 2018)

    Undercover author finds Amazon warehouse workers in UK 'peed in bottles' over fears of being punished for taking a break (Business Insider, April 16, 2018)

    The undercover author who discovered Amazon warehouse workers were peeing in bottles tells us the culture was like a 'prison' (Business Insider, April 18, 2018)

    Amazon Gets Tax Breaks While Its Employees Rely on Food Stamps, New Data Shows (The Intercept, April 19, 2018)

    Quote: "Though the company now employs 200,000 people in the United States, many of its workers are not making enough money to put food on the table."

    Amazon Under Fire Over Alleged Worker Abuse in Germany (bloomberg.com, Feb 19, 2013)

    Quote from the Wikipedia page for Jeff Bezos. (Nov. 29, 2018):

    "Journalist Nellie Bowles of The New York Times has described the public persona and personality of Bezos as that of 'a brilliant but mysterious and coldblooded corporate titan'. During the 1990s, Bezos earned a reputation for relentlessly pushing Amazon forward, often at the expense of public charity and social welfare."

    In my opinion, Bezos is not "briliant". No one who is habitually abusive can be called brilliant; his abusiveness damages the quality of his own life.

    Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos owns Blue Origin.. Blue Origin does NOT now have the capability of orbiting the earth. Would you fly into space with a company owned by someone who makes huge mistakes and doesn't detect them?

  21. Thumbscrews, whips and racks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We're constantly experimenting with new ways to improve the shopping experiences for customers," she said.

    How about improving the feedback experiences for customers by letting them interact with the people responsible for such shopping experiences in a gratifying manner?

  22. Independent Wish Lists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, does anyone know of any good, independent wish list services we can use instead of Amazon? Prefereably ones that don't partake in this kind of skulduggery!

  23. Sleezy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We're constantly experimenting with new ways to improve the shopping experiences for customers,"

    There aren't enough "fuck off"s in the world to reply to that adequately

  24. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    American corporations have a right to free speech just like any other individual.

  25. Now we know by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    Now we know how the sex doll wound up on that Ohio street.

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  26. It's deceptive. How to highlight it? by almitydave · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you RTFA, you'll see the screenshot which shows that the ad looks identical to the baby registry items, except for the grey "sponsored" text, including the "0/1 Purchased" bit which can only be meant to deceive, since it indicates someone has requested some number of this item.

    Anyway, I've been bugged by this practice for a while. When you're scrolling through the results, you can't quickly pick out the ads from the real results without reading each item. If you have the Stylish browser extension, you can add the following rules to better highlight which items are ads. I just change colors to make them obvious, but I you could make them invisible if you wish:

    .s-sponsored-header {
            color: #f00 !important;
            font-weight: bold !important;
    } .AdHolder {
            color: #ddd;
            background-color: #ffa;
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  27. Re:It's deceptive. How to highlight it? by virtualXTC · · Score: 1

    Where are the mods? Why is this only at +2?

  28. Fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the fuck. Isn't this the textbook definition of fraud?

  29. That's not their only trick by Zizzybaluba · · Score: 1

    I am trying to use their wish list to send gift ideas to my family. I found a book I want for $13.55. I added it to my wish list, it seems to work. But later I went back to see my list, and the book was there, but the cost was $20.99. Another book that I chose was higher too. Try it for yourself. Add this book to your wish list, then look at your wish list. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/pr... My family will buy the more expensive book for me.