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Monarch Butterfly Populations In the West Are Down an Order of Magnitude (qz.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Quartz: Far fewer [monarch butterflies] were heading south this year, and those that have arrived did so a month late, according to Xeres, a non-profit conservation group for invertebrates. One researcher said it was the fewest monarch butterflies in central California in 46 years. Surveyors at 97 sites found only 20,456 monarchs compared to 148,000 at the same sites last year, an 86% decline. It's possible more insects will make the journey late this year, says Xeres, but that now seems unlikely. The minimum population size before the species experiences "migration collapse" is unknown, but a 2017 modeling paper in Biological Conservation (pdf) found that 30,000 butterflies adult butterflies are probably the smallest viable population. Without this critical mass, there aren't enough insects in the western monarch population to continue one of the world's most remarkable lifecycles.

100 comments

  1. Do you have a garden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why not set aside a small percentage for wild grasses, wild flowers and specifically for the Monarchs: milkweed

    1. Re:Do you have a garden? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not set aside a small percentage for wild grasses, wild flowers

      I did this and got a citation from the city requiring me to cut down the weeds.

    2. Re:Do you have a garden? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Yep, Milkweed is considered a noxious weed.

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    3. Re:Do you have a garden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only there was a natural predator for it...

    4. Re:Do you have a garden? by ffkom · · Score: 1

      Are there really regions in the world where the presence of milkweed is considered a significant risk? Sounds weird...

    5. Re:Do you have a garden? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If you plant things too close to buildings (or in certain places that sometimes only the fire department can explain), the fire department can tell order to cut it out to prevent the spread of fire.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    6. Re:Do you have a garden? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      According to http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/en... Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec and Minnesota. Seems that it is toxic to livestock.
      Does Milkweed even grow in the west? I don't think I've seen it here in BC.
      Strangely, there seemed to be an unusual number of monarchs here in SW BC. Usually just see the odd one, this year they seemed to be everywhere in late spring, never saw so many. I don't know if ours migrate or not.

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    7. Re:Do you have a garden? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Strangely, there seemed to be an unusual number of monarchs here in SW BC. Usually just see the odd one, this year they seemed to be everywhere in late spring, never saw so many. I don't know if ours migrate or not.

      Those are the ones that usually summer in Pismo Beach. This year, they have gone to Canada in protest of Trump's policy on refugees.

    8. Re: Do you have a garden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you turn down Mexico's offer of refuge, you are NOT a refugee.

  2. Re:Still no Neil deGrasse Tyson story by Calydor · · Score: 1

    He had sex with a woman?

    *mouth-breathe*

    Like, a real woman?

    *mouth-breathe*

    He's my hero!

    Are we discussing this right? Also, Citation Needed.

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  3. Re: Still no Neil deGrasse Tyson story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why you gotta spoil our sob story about pretty butterflies with your eighties crime drama? Let it go and we will try to forget and forgive your your one track mind.

  4. Extrene drought by rossdee · · Score: 0

    affects lots of species

    Fortunately monarch butterflies live in many parts of the world , even NZ

    1. Re: Extrene drought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is to be expected. When you see pictures of butterflies everywhere you would hardly need to post that you think they exist in any country. It would only be a surprise if they existed in only one place and I myself would not believe it without extremely clear evidence. Like if you tell me there is an eleven castle nearby why would I believe you just because you said so?

    2. Re: Extrene drought by rossdee · · Score: 1

      I posted that because I used to live in New Zealand, so I have seen them myself. And NZ is fairly isolated, There were no mammals there before humans migrated there,

      NZ is 1200 miles from Australia, 6000 miles from California and as far as you can get from Spain.

    3. Re: Extrene drought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like if you tell me there is an eleven castle nearby why would I believe you just because you said so?

      I'll do you one better. There's a twelve castle nearby!

    4. Re: Extrene drought by echnaton192 · · Score: 1

      The insect population is declining worldwide. I am talking about 70 to 80 percent.

      https://www.independent.co.uk/...

      I donâ(TM)t think that draught is the reason for a worldwide problem.

    5. Re: Extrene drought by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      NZ is 1200 miles from Australia

      This was pointed out to me some time back, when I asked a kiwi why it was a separate country instead of being a province (or whatever they're called) of Australia.

      In my defence, it doesn't look anywhere near that far on a map.

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  5. Re:Still no Neil deGrasse Tyson story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like, a real woman?

    Really, a woman. A really unconscious woman.

  6. Literal butterfly effect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's the nicest explanation for why "only 1.5 degrees" matter so much, that I've seen:

    In nature, everything is in a stable balance of many dependent cycles, where everything is juuust right. Even for life itself to even exist.
    Nudge one of those balances off only a bit too much, and the entire thing goes over the edge and spirals out of control. Taking things with it, that you never thought of.

    To me, this is also the best approach, to make sense of "chaotic" behavior. (As in: chaos theory)

    Only lossless cycles can go on forever. Everything that isn't in such a balance, is very obviously by definition bound to die. Because it means it goes towards infinity or towards zero. And that is not possible in reality, with its limited resources.
    And we, as humanity, are the prime example of that. The "economy" is the most extreme example. Since it demands not only infinite growth... which by itself is already so absurd, a small child would realize it, ... but exponential growth.
    The only other things I know, that do that, are deadly pathogens, and explosions.

    I also don't see how "we", would turn that around.
    I'm certainly pulling my weight.
    But the loud morons once again go the ManBearPig route.

    1. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 0

      Bullshit, this has more to do with urban sprawl. Both monarch butterflies and milkweed can easily stand a 1.5 degree increase in temperature.

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    2. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by omnichad · · Score: 2

      Both monarch butterflies and milkweed can easily stand a 1.5 degree increase in temperature.

      That isn't in question. It's whether they can survive the compound effect of the temperature increase. More turbulent hurricanes, changes in rainfall patterns, hot spots and cold spots (that may average to 1.5 degrees, but can still diverge in extremes).

    3. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      They survived the last ice age when a sizable part of their current habitat was buried under glaciers. Life is fairly resilient on the whole. 80% of the population might not be able to survive that change, but the 20% that do are the ones that pass on their genes and their offspring are more fit for the changing environment.

    4. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Bullshit, this has more to do with urban sprawl. Both monarch butterflies and milkweed can easily stand a 1.5 degree increase in temperature.

      Both of those can in isolation, yes, but not if the 1.5 degrees causes more wind, less rain, more rain, earlier summers, or any of a thousand other variables to change.

      Things are interlinked, and that's the real point.

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    5. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also don't see how "we", would turn that around.
      I'm certainly pulling my weight.

      Data please. I would like to multiply your carbon footprint, consumption rates, trees planted, etc. by 7.53 billion to see if you really are pulling your own weight.

    6. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, if only we all paid carbon tax, the poor butterflies would... still be dead.

    7. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 0

      Milkweed is drought tolerant plant, it can handle a lot less moisture. I've had my lawn die but milkweed survive. So can monarch butterflies for that matter. Stop being an urban idiot.

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    8. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Yep. They did.

      But can they survive an intelligent species waging a war on their food?

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    9. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by phantomfive · · Score: 0, Troll

      Both of those can in isolation, yes, but not if the 1.5 degrees causes more wind, less rain, more rain, earlier summers, or any of a thousand other variables to change. Things are interlinked, and that's the real point.

      In other words, there is no evidence AGW is affected monarch butterflies, but you wish it would affect them, so you say "a thousand variables."

      A scientist would say, "OK, what are the variables? Let's quantify them."

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    10. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by arth1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      To me, this is also the best approach, to make sense of "chaotic" behavior. (As in: chaos theory)

      Killing off the butterflies might reduce the number of hurricanes!

    11. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      They seem to eat different things depending on location. Saw more Monarchs then ever this year and there's no milkweed here in SW BC.

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    12. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      In other words, there is no evidence AGW is affected monarch butterflies

      There's also no evidence that it won't.

      A scientist would say, "OK, what are the variables? Let's quantify them."

      Touche.

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    13. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      A scientist would say, "OK, what are the variables? Let's quantify them."

      I started getting curious actually, and found this study. It looks like the primary factors are the loss of forest in the winter habitat areas (Mexico, although the butterflies spend the winter in other places, too) and loss of milkweed in the northern areas (as farmers have used more effective herbicides).

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    14. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      I did some research, too. Milkweed is apparently the only type of plant the caterpillars can eat. No milkweed=no butterflies.

      Maybe we need some land dedicated to milkweed.

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    15. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      You forget momentum.

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    16. Re:Literal butterfly effect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They like Joe Pye weed and Ironweed in tidewater VA, in addition to some yellow stuff I've never been able to ID. We don't have Milkweed until above the piedmont line.

  7. Monarch apocalypse by ElitistWhiner · · Score: 4, Interesting

    30 yrs. living in SoCal, the wildfires in San Diego County began in the 80's where it was first noticed effect on Monarch migration. Each February Point Loma which stuck out into the sea would afford the Monarch a nutritious waypoint on their migration northward. The surrounding canyon's wild milkweed air would flow for days in a stream of butterflies. With successive wildfires the drop in Monarch sightings transitioned official narrative from migration change to population tragedy to loss of food source.

    Today the coastal flyway is host to few Monarchs and the loss for those hoping for a return defies the Monarch apocalypse. Now, living NoCal, the Monarchs flew through the Bay Area's Marin wetlands on their way south this October. It was a happy reminder however brief, one afternoon, that they aren't dead - yet.

    1. Re:Monarch apocalypse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Amazing how humans are so self-preoccupied. Even your post goes on how it would be a loss for fans.

      We as a species should go extinct instead.

  8. Re: This is RACISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It must be terrible to live in fear all the time. But we don't care about your problems. Sucks to be you!

  9. Urban Sprawl by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason the butterfly population is down is because of urban sprawl in Washington and Oregon destroying their habitat. This is a direct case of cities causing extinction of other species.

    Farms, by their very nature, cannot eliminate all weeds, and the milkweed these butterflies need to feed on is plentiful in the countryside, but is considered a noxious weed by urban rules.

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    1. Re:Urban Sprawl by cats-paw · · Score: 0

      Blaming habitat loss on cities and letting farms/agricultural off the hook is ludicrous.

      Not only does agricultural consume vast areas of land, but they also use a tremendous amount of insecticides and herbicides.

      I'm not really clear on why you think that a few straggling milkweeds that managed to escape a field drowned in round-up to be considered a "habitat".

      Habitat loss is the number one cause of pressure on species and especially species diversity, and agriculture is a major component of that problem.

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    2. Re:Urban Sprawl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever spent a meaningful amount of time away from a city?

      You speak like someone that fears to tread beyond the concrete edge.

    3. Re:Urban Sprawl by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Concrete also gets rid of milkweed.

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  10. Re: This is RACISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will do. Thanks for the tip

  11. Soon it will be by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Soon we will have the migration of the monarch butterfly (singular).

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  12. Probably this reason by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Monarchs take some years to complete their migration cycle. A few years back, we noticed a drop in population. There was an extensive program for people to plant milkweed, one of the Monarch's main food sources. Here in the east, the population has rebounded.

    Some folks have planted milkweed beside the roads near natgas corridors - a lot. The number of Monarchs flitting around last year and this has been impressive. So that bubble of butterflies should be reaching the west in a few years, assuming food sources in the midwest can accomodate them.

    Side note: I often take the Cape May - Lewes Ferry, which crosses the Chesapeake bay between New Jersey and Delaware. Monarch butterflies often ride the slipstream behind the ship with us during the late summer and fall.

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    1. Re:Probably this reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe eastern monarchs stay in the east, and western ones in the west, much like salmon. There are two separate migration routes.

    2. Re:Probably this reason by Solandri · · Score: 3, Informative

      You gotta be careful what type of milkweed you plant. The kind you buy from nurseries isn't native to North America, and its differences may be doing more harm than good.

    3. Re:Probably this reason by DigressivePoser · · Score: 1

      Or it will attract a different butterfly species like some of my milkweed did this year. We do have the milkweed monarchs like, but they didn't bloom this year. I have no idea why because the plants got pretty big. Maybe because our summer in TX was pretty hot and/or I over-watered those plants.

    4. Re:Probably this reason by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Interesting. The Law of Unintended Consequences; or, Where Are We Going, and Why am I in this Hand-basket?

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    5. Re:Probably this reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is not the Chesapeake Bay -- that's the Delaware Bay

    6. Re:Probably this reason by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      that is not the Chesapeake Bay -- that's the Delaware Bay

      Yup - my bad!

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  13. Re:Apokalypsis by omnichad · · Score: 2

    Hint: words don't mean the same after they leave their native language.

  14. new places by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Maybe they were tired of all the riff raff and went somewhere else?

  15. Re:Apokalypsis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So God intentionally tries to deceive his creation that he claims to love? That makes him kind of a dick. And also kind of self-absorbed and prideful if the desired end goal for Christians is to surround him by the millions and eternally worshiping him.

  16. Re:Still no Neil deGrasse Tyson story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill Cosby told him about this great pick up spot for women: the floor.

  17. Re:Apokalypsis by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Apocalypse means "uncovering" just as much as Alexander means "the man who doesn't/can't read".

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  18. Re:Space X At Fault by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    On the bright side all the stuff they should have eaten is still alive.

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  19. Re:Apokalypsis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not quite. But He does enable the disbelief that was chosen when the forbidden fruit was eaten. "For this reason,"

    It is your choice; it has been accommodated. You can choose the truth, or you can choose the lie.
    Working of Error

  20. Re:This is RACISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's ok to be white.

  21. Re:Apokalypsis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apocalypse means "uncovering" just as much as Alexander means "the man who doesn't/can't read".

    Tell it to the Greeks. Apocalypse

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  22. witnessing the migration is amazing by v1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I live in central Iowa, in a city that has lots of trees and (in the 1980's anyway) had large areas of the city that were not heavily developed and basically had little islands of forrest in the middle of the city. Around 1985, I got to see an incredible sight. The monarch migration passed right through town, specifically stopping to rest at a wooded area not 300 feet from my apartment.

    There were lots of older trees there, mainly maples, that stood 70-100ft tall, and they were dripping with butterflies. Every leaf had several butterflies on it, all of them slowly flexing their wings, making the entire tree look like it was breathing, in a shimmering silver-brown color. There was no green to be seen anywhere in the canopy, everything was covered with monarchs. The branches were even getting visibly weighed down from weight of butterflies, some branches that normally were ten feet off the ground were within hand's reach. You could reach up and slowly brush your hand through a living curtain of butterflies. It was amazing!

    This went on for about three days. There were monarchs flying lazily around all over the place, and if you walked slowly though the area, you'd have several of them landing on you as you walked or stopped to stare at them. Monarchs are very large butterflies too. I wouldn't even want to attempt to count how many there were. I did't own a camera back then, but I wish I did. I would have taken so many pictures. But back then I was pretty young, and didn't recognize that this was a sight I would probably never get to see again, so all I have of it are the memories of the trees filled with butterflies.

    We had a fair amount of "ditch weed" (milkweek) in the area, especially in the ditches along the gravel roads outside town. I used to go to the empty lots where there was still a lot of "prairie" type land between the neighborhoods, where milkweed could be plentiful, and see if I could find the vibrantly colored monarch caterpillars. They're striped yellow, white, and black. Sometimes if I found one I'd take it home along with some milkweed, and raise it. I'd have to go back and pick more milkweed from time to time. Then it would stop eating and climb to a stick in the jar and make a chrysalis and I'd have to wait a month or so for it to hatch and fly away. it started out a very interesting shape, colored green to match the milkweed, but with a ring of gold (like jewelwry gold) spots around the top crown area, like someone had painted drops of gold paint in a halo around the top of it (like https://naturetime.files.wordp...) A week or so before it hatched, the chrysalis would become transparent, and you could see the gold wings folded up inside, sometimes moving a little.

    Nowadays, there are still quite a few trees in town, most yards have a tree, but there are very few vacant grass lots or clumps of trees inside town. Outside town, it's all farmland now, so again not much in the way of woods. But still lots of milkweed in the ditches around town, and I do see a monarch from time to time, but they're pretty rare. I've been considering planting some milkweed in my front yard now, to see if I can attract some monarchs. We don't really consider it a problem weed here in town. The plants are pretty solitary and don't spread fast like some other "weed" do. They have a somewhat attractive large flower also. Not something you want to eat though, they produce a large volume of a very thick white milky sap if you break off a leaf. Monarch caterpillars are one of the few insects that can eat them, and they retain the toxin as butterflies also, which is why the caterpillars and adults are so brightly colored - they're a toxic meal for most birds.

    I miss those days!

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    1. Re:witnessing the migration is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for this.

    2. Re:witnessing the migration is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoyed that post, beautifully written.

    3. Re:witnessing the migration is amazing by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      I wonder if you have native milkweed there. In SoCal I probably have tropical. I just pulled up a few yesterday, having independently decided not to let them grow during winter. Karma, man, thx for the post.

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    4. Re:witnessing the migration is amazing by Shaiku · · Score: 1

      I had a similar experience growing up next to a eucalyptus grove right in the middle of the migration path. In the morning the trees would come alive as tens of thousands of butterflies began beating their wing to wake up, then as the sun's rays hit they would disperse into the air and fill the grove with twirling, beating butterflies. The weaker ones would be dead and dying on the ground and others would float all around from the canopy to the floor--it's impossible to convey the experience in words but it's something you will never forget.

  23. Re: This is RACISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's okay to have white skin but cultural Whiteness is a threat to humanity's survival

  24. Re:Still no Neil deGrasse Tyson story by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Stories of this kind from the 70s and 80s don't count. In those days, women wanted sex too.

  25. Re:Apokalypsis by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    It doesn't "literally" mean "an uncovering," it literally means that the genital covering-skin has been pulled back, or is absent. A very specific uncovering.

  26. Texans already knew this by Texmaize · · Score: 1, Interesting

    So, OP is saying the problem simply boils down to the fact that there are too many Californians. As a Texan, we most definitely agree.

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    1. Re:Texans already knew this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, OP is saying the problem simply boils down to the fact that there are too many Californians. As a Texan, we most definitely agree.

      Careful there Tex, or they'll move to your state to escape the high taxes they voted for.

  27. Good. Fewer tornados. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't have those bastards over there flapping their tiny little wings causing tornados over here. This is a good thing!

  28. Re:Oh no! Man made bla bla bla again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a stupid sentiment.

  29. so what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Human population is up.That's all that matters.

  30. due to pesticides? by AndrewFlagg · · Score: 2

    i know in our region, pesticides were massively reduced parks in the last 10 years, and nature has a way of stabilizing. my previous home owners used some bug company to spray the whole yard and I realized it was harmful to nature. Prior to, i did not see a single butterfly for 5 years, and afterwards, then suddenly 2, 5, 10, 20....per month.. now I see about 10-15 per week..

  31. Re:Apokalypsis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can choose the truth, or you can choose the lie.

    Yup. I quite believing in childish stories about invisible magical people a long, long time ago.

    I suppose if your fantasy makes you happy, then feel free to keep believing.

  32. Re:Still no Neil deGrasse Tyson story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this smell like chloroform to you?

  33. "butterflies adult butterflies" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, nice editing.

  34. s/butterflies/humans/ and you're right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because humans are by far the biggest process that doesn't have its I/O in balanced cycles.

    1. Re:s/butterflies/humans/ and you're right. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      WHOOOSH!

      (That was not a hurricane)

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  35. Show me yours and I show you mine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What weight are you pulling then, that makes you the judge?

    I made the biggest sacrifice ever: I chose to have no kids, and stopped several other people from ever having kids too.
    That's balancing my own bit of damage out, several times over.

    Your turn.
    I won't reply otherwise.

    1. Re:Show me yours and I show you mine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't say I was pulling any weight, but I think math can be the judge.

      If we as people need to figure out how to remove X amount of CO2 from the air to be OK, then I'm expecting to see you removing X/EarthPopulation. Any less is not pulling your weight.

  36. Milkweed Garden. by IllJimDiGriz · · Score: 1

    We planted our Milkweed garden a number of years ago. It look a few years but now we get Monarch's each year. In fact this year we had the most Caterpillars in all the time we had the garden. We see our Caterpillars in Late August and September, this year they wiped every Milkweed leaf in the garden.

  37. Not super toxic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not that toxic. They talk about it poisoning sheep if they have nothing else to eat, but generally livestock don't like it so they don't eat it.

    Usually notes from a city to cut weeds means they reached over a certain height and are either on the fringe of a road or blocking line of sight at a corner.

    1. Re:Not super toxic by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      And milkweed is quite tall.....

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  38. They're out East by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    I've seen 2-3 monarchs most years- mostly a curiosity. This year there were a few dozen around - order of magnitude checks out. Northern New England.

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  39. ...bags another trophy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microwave radiation bags another trophy.