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EU Governments Agree To Tougher Stance On E-evidence (reuters.com)

EU governments agreed on Friday to toughen up draft rules allowing law enforcement authorities to get electronic evidence directly from tech companies such as Facebook and Google stored in the cloud in another European country. From a report: The move underlines the growing trend in Europe to rein in tech giants whether on the regulatory front or the antitrust front. The e-evidence proposal also came in the wake of recent deadly terrorist attacks in Europe, pressure on tech companies to do more to cooperate with police investigations and people's growing tendency to store and share information on WhatsApp, Facebook, Viber, Skype, Instagram and Telegram.

The European Commission, the EU executive, came up with the draft legislation in April, which includes a 10-day deadline for companies to respond to police requests or 6 hours in emergency cases, and fines up to 2 percent of a company's global turnover for not complying with such orders. The proposal covers telecoms services providers, online marketplaces and internet infrastructure services providers and applies to subscriber data and other data on access, transactional and content.

19 comments

  1. NAZIS won... by quantic_oscillation7 · · Score: 2

    well looks like it....

    1. Re:NAZIS won... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a moron. Not "looks like it" - do not pass go, you are a moron.

    2. Re:NAZIS won... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the lesson here folks is...DON'T store ANY information online! Don't use Fakebook, TWITter, instagram, whatsapp, etc...

    3. Re:NAZIS won... by gweihir · · Score: 2

      They did not win yet. The holy grail is forbidding any non-backdoored encryption.

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      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    4. Re: NAZIS won... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean "Go directly to the looney bin. Do not pass go. Do not collect social security."

    5. Re: NAZIS won... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In due time. "Your rights online" are being legislated out of existence. Internet freedom is pretty much dead. I just did not expect the killing blow to come from Europe. I thought they had learned the lesson. Unfortunately they merely learned how to reach their goals with no opposition. All I have to say is, hail Europe. Hail the great Reich.

  2. doesn't matter to me by olsmeister · · Score: 2

    Since I reside in the Apple ecosystem, all of the evidence of my wrongdoings are actually iEvidence.

  3. ARREST THE ZUCKERPUNK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Schmuckerberg and Sandvag should be arrested the next time they set foot on EU-affiliated soil. Just like the Huawei fraudster.

  4. global what? by magarity · · Score: 1

    and fines up to 2 percent of a company's global turnover

    Assuming it is in their jurisdiction to get such information on a global scale, what exactly is "turnover"? Is this some newspeak term for income?

    1. Re:global what? by jamesborr · · Score: 1

      Try gross income, i.e. before costs or profit are figured in. If a company is in a 2% margin business, it would effectively be their entire worldwide profit for the year.

    2. Re:global what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a multinational provider can license their of EU business to a few separately owned local companies and there is no link to charge them based on a local turnover.

  5. People need a stimulating challenge by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Now they have to seek out software that cannot fall under such jurisdiction. There are plenty of alternatives.

    And really, if you don't want these laws on the books, you should be more careful who you vote for. All these problems are needlessly chronic and self inflicted.

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    1. Re:People need a stimulating challenge by MrMr · · Score: 1

      I agree that people should think before they vote, but the European Commission is not an elected body, and their statute actually specifically says they should represent Europe, and not some country or electorate. If you want to get rid of them you will need another box than the ballot box.

    2. Re:People need a stimulating challenge by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I agree that people should think before they vote, but the European Commission is not an elected body

      The voters are supposed to hold it accountable to the European Parliament, which is directly elected by EU citizens. And if that doesn't help, people can vote their country out of the EU. Everything boils down to the voters' actions.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  6. Don't trust the cloud by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Nothing new. The fascists just have now put into law what they already have been doing for a long time.

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    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  7. terrorism: the perfect excuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm sick of all the rights people are losing all over the world with the excuse of terrorism... is it really that bad? how many people die because the pharmaceuticals inflate the price of their product beyond any ethical limit? I'm sure much more than because of terrorism, but you know? that last one have much more media coverage and makes people be afraid and let governments cut any right...

    I'm from Spain and we already had a surreally freedom cutting law some years back (search "ley mordaza"), and things are getting worse each year (sometimes because Europe, sometimes because Spain)

    please governments, I don't want security, I want to be free, I don't want police being able to look into my private life "easily", I choose to be "vulnerable" to terrorism rather than give up freedom.

    1. Re:terrorism: the perfect excuse by AHuxley · · Score: 0

      AC EU nations have a long new list of things they want to look for on the web.
      Any site and any person found to be supporting any type of Catalan independence.
      Anyone making fun of a French politician.
      A person questioning the wide open immigration to Germany.
      Blasphemy laws so faiths that hide wanted criminals won't be talked about.
      Laws to ensure an EU company can keep its reputation and make a profit by banning the use of internet links?
      No talk of DRM. No attempts to import counterfeit parts for the repairing of electronics.
      No funny memes about news and politics without EU gov/mil/NGO/think tank approval.
      The funny "cartoons", "art", "music", "image" might be too political for viewing in the EU.

      People making funny art have to be found, interviewed and told to stop all their political comments about the politics of the EU.
      New laws will help with governments with the "finding" part. The police will interview the person in the UE found with creativity.
      Should artistic expression be found after the police interview then more police action will be needed until all online political expression stops.
      EU nations with the ability to do years of preliminary investigations will interview everyone found to be connected with such a person.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:terrorism: the perfect excuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the wall came down, East Germany just took over the whole region.

    3. Re:terrorism: the perfect excuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the right wing parties (by continental European definitions, not US definitions) take over that will almost certainly happen.
      The German right wing populist party AfD, big fans of Trump and Putin, and those two like them as well, already have their own web-service running where brave students are supposed to report school teachers who break neutrality (dare to speak up against their national social conservative and authoritarian ideology): https://afd-fraktion-hamburg.d...
      Doesn't that make them super trustworthy? They care so much for a neutral and balanced school education. Well, I suppose you could say that they're at least up front with telling people their intentions to turn the nation into a police state and want people to be snitches. You know "them tell it like it is".