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China Forms New Body To Review Ethics Risks of Video Games (scmp.com)

China has established a new body that reviews ethical issues in video gaming, marking the country's latest attempt to tighten control over the world's biggest games market. From a report: The recently formed Online Games Ethics Committee has so far evaluated an initial batch of 20 video game titles, according to a report on Friday from state broadcaster China Central Television (CCTV). This was the first time the committee's existence was made public. Without elaborating, the CCTV report said the ethics committee rejected nine games for publication in the domestic market, while ruling that certain content be modified in the 11 other games that were reviewed.

The report neither revealed which government department the ethics committee was directly under nor identified the 20 games that the body processed. The creation of the Online Games Ethics Committee has come amid concerns over internet addiction, childhood myopia and unsuitable content in China's US$38 billion video games market, which has led Beijing to tighten its control over the industry and freeze the approval of new titles this year.

68 comments

  1. first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First. LOL

    1. Re: first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not a laughing matter. It is almost the end of the year. It brings to mind the phrase dollar late and day short

    2. Re: first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It brings to mind the phrase dollar late and day short

      And this brings to mind the phrase "people in glass houses sink ships"

    3. Re: first by mermeid007 · · Score: 1

      What glass houses?

    4. Re:first by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Ethical issues"?

      Are the article writers afraid to say "government censorship" because they're worried about getting their press credentials pulled and being thrown into prison now that Hong Kong has been turned over to the Communist oligarchy?

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    5. Re:first by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      No, they mean ethical issues such as making free games pay-to-win and highly addictive, or getting kids to gamble on loot boxes. You know, the same shit we are trying to deal with.

      China does censor games, but that's not what this is about.

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  2. "has so far evaluated an initial batch of 20" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heh, good luck with that.

    1. Re:"has so far evaluated an initial batch of 20" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Push the button Frank

  3. Just apply the VW cheat code... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A

    1. Re:Just apply the VW cheat code... by mermeid007 · · Score: 1

      Games that were deemed ethical even with extreme violence included a little-used DirectX title and a little-known GNU-based game. Both were RTS games. I just made that up. Sounded right.

    2. Re:Just apply the VW cheat code... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You get 30 years for that

  4. Welcome to Socialist Communist Governance by Tulsa_Time · · Score: 2

    Not what the public school unions taught you ?

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    1. Re: Welcome to Socialist Communist Governance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ministry of Culture = Ensuring you drink the Communist Kool-Aid comrad.

    2. Re:Welcome to Socialist Communist Governance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You dumb fuck. They are a dictatorship, there's nothing Socialist about it.

      All of this is to keep the people in line and mindless sheep.

    3. Re:Welcome to Socialist Communist Governance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You just described Apple products.

    4. Re:Welcome to Socialist Communist Governance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They're a totalitarian single party entho-oligarchy.. but the rest of that is correct.

    5. Re:Welcome to Socialist Communist Governance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You dumb fuck. They are a dictatorship, there's nothing Socialist about it.

      All of this is to keep the people in line and mindless sheep.

      Yes, they are a dictatorship, that's how socialists roll whenever they get the chance.

    6. Re:Welcome to Socialist Communist Governance by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Not what the public school unions taught you ?

      No, but this kind of thing is Jack Thompson's wet dream. Authoritarians are going to be authoritarian no matter what their motivation.

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    7. Re:Welcome to Socialist Communist Governance by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Can't allow any games that (shocking!!!) encourage anyone to be a free thinker, now can we? Has to promote communist Party 'values' and philosophy, keep that nasty 'ol Western thinking out of people's heads!

  5. Where have I heard this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " Donald Trump's case the guy has been implicated in two felonies, but he has a 90% approval rating with his base " = 90% of Republicans are willing traitors for party. I think some of us knew this before now. Now there's proof.

  6. Better to review the ethics of by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 1

    CRSPR gene editing in humans.

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    1. Re:Better to review the ethics of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also they might review the ethics of using CFC-11 they agreed to ban by treaty.

    2. Re:Better to review the ethics of by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      They already smacked that scientist doing CRSPR to a baby down pretty hard. It seems to have been a clear signal.

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  7. Violent Video Games Parody Video by WaxParadigm · · Score: 2

    Seems somewhat appropriate:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    1. Re:Violent Video Games Parody Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't play no video game, so suck that!

      Seems somewhat appropriate:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  8. What's that sound? by Noishkel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So you're telling me a nation that has a well documented history of being possible one of the, if not the biggest, abuser of human rights is going to tell us about the 'ethics risk' of video game. China; a nation that to this day is known to execute political prisoners and religious minorities and sell their organs on the black market is unironically going to talk about ethics?

    What's the sound? It's the sound of a million pots screaming toward the kettle factory at mach speed.

    1. Re:What's that sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Ethics" as defined by the Chinese government.

    2. Re:What's that sound? by hotmaillogin8544 · · Score: 0

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    3. Re:What's that sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It all depends. Westerners think that certain human rights are god given universal rights. East Asians don't necessarily think so, and also don't believe in Christian gods, and have a different set of ethics.

    4. Re:What's that sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "God given" is just an expression. Atheists also believe these rights are a good thing.

      Many of these rights stand up to cultural relativism.

    5. Re:What's that sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lack of ethics is not a different set of ethics.

    6. Re:What's that sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were these atheists raised under a Western culture, where they believed that these rights were "God given" rights, and therefore universal? "God given" isn't just an expression. When these rights were being philosophically debated as universal, being atheist would have had you burnt at the stake. There was no such thing as cultural relativism at that time. There was either the truth represented by God, or something that was false, the devil. If something is universal, that means it represent the truth, which means that it stems from God.

      This idea of universal rights, pretty much came from the west, and the US and much of the west until maybe the Trump were basically trying to force these rights on other cultures. It was almost like a political crusade to change the world.

    7. Re:What's that sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It all depends. Westerners think that certain human rights are god given universal rights. East Asians don't necessarily think so, and also don't believe in Christian gods, and have a different set of ethics.

      Without right to life, there can be no other rights.

    8. Re:What's that sound? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      While China is one of the worst the same argument can be made about many countries. The US and UK both murder people without any due process, yet also pontificate on human rights issues. The UK is a surveillance state but feels able to lecture others on freedom.

      For China though this is actually a very positive and welcome development. In the west we have loot box gambling and highly addictive "free to play" games that constantly encourage you to spend money on them. We are starting to address the problem and so is China, although China typically acts a lot more quickly and strongly e.g. by simply banning such games from being played by children.

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    9. Re:What's that sound? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Were these atheists raised under a Western culture, where they believed that these rights were "God given" rights, and therefore universal? "God given" isn't just an expression. When these rights were being philosophically debated as universal, being atheist would have had you burnt at the stake. There was no such thing as cultural relativism at that time. There was either the truth represented by God, or something that was false, the devil. If something is universal, that means it represent the truth, which means that it stems from God.

      This idea of universal rights, pretty much came from the west, and the US and much of the west until maybe the Trump were basically trying to force these rights on other cultures. It was almost like a political crusade to change the world.

      "God given" was a turn of phrase meaning "natural" and inherent. It's not something that was granted, it was something that you always had. The men who wrote the Constitution were deists which means that, while they believe a god existed and created this world, beyond that he didn't have much control. Many deists, especially the more hard core ones, were actually accused of being atheists themselves.

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    10. Re:What's that sound? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      While China is one of the worst the same argument can be made about many countries. The US and UK both murder people without any due process, yet also pontificate on human rights issues.

      China is the only one of those nations that will execute people for cheating on their taxes, break them up for parts, and sell the organs to the highest bidder. And that's what they do to their citizens. Next, shall we talk about Tibet? There can be no reasonable question whether China is the worst abuser of human rights on the planet. They make us look like girl scouts. They make Russia look like an also-ran.

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    11. Re:What's that sound? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Yes, you are right. But what is the point of saying that? Does it make their efforts to curb the worst behaviour of video game companies any less worthy?

      If we can't even admit that they did something positive then our efforts to get them to fix the human rights abuses probably won't be very effective.

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    12. Re:What's that sound? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yes, you are right. But what is the point of saying that? Does it make their efforts to curb the worst behaviour of video game companies any less worthy?

      Yes. It's hypocritical bullshit and they deserve zero praise.

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    13. Re:What's that sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being a deist would mean essentially that you believed the right was given by God.

      E.g. Jefferson's wiki states "In summary, then, Jefferson was a deist because he believed in one God, in divine providence, in the divine moral law, and in rewards and punishments after death; but did not believe in supernatural revelation. He was a Christian deist because he saw Christianity as the highest expression of natural religion and Jesus as an incomparably great moral teacher. He was not an orthodox Christian because he rejected, among other things, the doctrines that Jesus was the promised Messiah and the incarnate Son of God. Jefferson's religion is fairly typical of the American form of deism in his day."

      Natural rights, etc. comes from "divine moral law". Natural rights implied something that was given to everyone by God, therefore universal, as God created nature. The Declaration of Independence states that these rights were endowed by the Creator.

    14. Re:What's that sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do? Show some proof that they execute for cheating on taxes. The organ selling crap has been debunked before, or at least it wasn't nearly as widespread as what the US said was happening back in the 90s, whose biggest source was basically a Chinese guy who was a criminal, later released for good behavior and then later made tons of money China bashing, and giving speeches before Congressional members. What about Tibet? The Dalai Lama had basically a slave/serf culture running there before China kicked him out. Moreover, the Dalai Lama stated that the Tibetans shouldn't have worked with the CIA to try overthrowing China.

      History has two sides... China's issue is that they are more concerned about the whole of society rather than individual rights. Whether that's wrong or not is another question. However looking at what happened in the Middle East after the US supposedly went in there giving individuals "rights", perhaps stability and looking at the whole may be more important for many societies, at least until they mature enough and modernize.

    15. Re:What's that sound? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That sounds like you think that "China" is one single entity with a single mind guiding every aspect of its behaviour, and that no individual parts can be good or well intentioned without being hypocritical.

      What amount of influence do you think the people looking at companies selling gambling services to kids have over arrests of political dissidents, for example?

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    16. Re:What's that sound? by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      So you're telling me a nation that has a well documented history of being possible one of the, if not the biggest, abuser of human rights is going to tell us about the 'ethics risk' of video game. China; a nation that to this day is known to execute political prisoners and religious minorities and sell their organs on the black market is unironically going to talk about ethics?

      I think there's a huge gulf in word use. In China, I get the impression they're concerned about harmonious social development - what they do to prisoners and ethnic/religious minorities is to that end, and what they want for video games is about that end. I suspect the very word "ethics" itself in this context should be translated as "how people and behavior should regulate themselves and be regulated to further harmonious social development". In that sense there's no contradiction.

    17. Re: What's that sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have a dictator who controls everything.

      You are an apologist sheep.

    18. Re: What's that sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multiple lies and didn't provide one citation.

  9. lets get this straight.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    the state (i.e. government run) broadcaster finally revealed the secret formation and existence of a government entity whose sole purpose is to censor or outright reject video games for the domestic prc market based on ETHICS, all while providing no actual details about this "committee"....

    sounds about right. welcome to the "peoples republic (haha) of china"

  10. Re:In their defense. by Texmaize · · Score: 1

    So far, all the "above" posters were commenting on China and human rights and other such issues. There were no pejoratives, beyond the ones you used. Self loathing is one of the saddest mental disorders. I feel so bad for you that you hate yourself and your culture so much, that you jump at imaginary SJW hobgoblins.

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  11. Re:Nice that folks by wolfheart111 · · Score: 0

    need only look up to understand... pay particular attention to the Anonymous Cowards. No self loathing... :) Only loath u... :P

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  12. Microtransactions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK....so the implication is that this is about Government censorship and an attempt to make games more "wholesome".

    Obviously bad. No-one wants this.

    But we do need a regulator to clamp down on rampant micro-transactions, loot boxes, skinner boxes and abuses of casino pyscology to trick vulnerable people out of huge sums of money for pointless nonsense.

    I'm open to the possibility of government regulation.

  13. No rule of law ~= Authoritarianism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 2 fens (Chinese cents).

  14. New Game by gtall · · Score: 2

    Gov. Lacky: Wang, there's a new game called RAP, could you please look into it?

    Wang: (dutifully does his duty) Boss Lacky, RAP is will lead impressionable youngsters into untold acts of perfidy.

    BL: Yes, but is there anything wrong with it?

    Wang: Dunno, I thought perfidy was fairly wrong.

    BL: Small potatoes, Wang...by the way, what does RAP stand for, some sort of rap karaoke game, figures the Japanese would be behind it?

    Wang: Nope, it stands for Rage Against the Party.

    BL: Wang, please issue a new edict, "Due to the immoral values promoted by the game RAP, it will be taken off the market and anyone caught playing it will submit to some gentle re-integration into proper society." And Wang, make sure the cattle prods are set to Bowel Evacuating High.

  15. good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is great! The whole video game industry needs to die. Video games are stupid and a waste of time.

    1. Re:good by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      You realize that Chinese society is a great big computer game where the high-level players are unbeatable?

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    2. Re:good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds familiar

  16. Re:In their defense. by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 2

    So how many Social Credit points did the Motherland award you for making this post?

  17. Childhood Myopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad childhood myopia has more to do with not getting enough sunlight/being outdoors. Studies have shown that increased myopia predates video games/tablets/etc and "near work" like homework/reading is actually higher in some locales in Australia with less myopia. Now, admittedly that may not have included cramming, but the net point is the same: not enough sunlight and not enough focusing on long distance objects for extended periods fucks up your eyes.

    But, then, educational is power and how could we ethically spell out that "some education good"? I mean, it's all or nothing when you're a regime like China. Hence the "ban video games" movement.

  18. Re:Yes thats what Im talking about by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Respect for people and their cultures... especially when they look at you in admiration. Wish we had more of that here.

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  19. Ethics (risks), in game (journalism)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the fish!

    1. Re:Ethics (risks), in game (journalism)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, thanks - I'll have the lambchops. (dunno about in 'Airplane!' but I just watched 'Zero Hour' and the alternate was lamb)

  20. China numba wan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But seriously. Messing with the genes of an unborn baby, sending citizens to âre-education camps and making a democracy into a dictatorship is ok in China but games arenâ(TM)t?

  21. And, THEN.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...there's the 'Forge of Empires' add-on module that lets you create MASSIVE Uighur internment camps up in the mountains - THAT one got by the ethics censors with NO probs.!

    captcha: 'speech', as in 'free', as in 'not in china'.

  22. Re:Violence inspires violence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If knee-kicking the urban creature on the subway threatening you with a broken glass bottle for you purse is wrong, I don't wanna be right.