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Supernovae May Explain Mass Extinctions of Marine Animals During Pliocene Era (theregister.co.uk)

"The Register has an article on the possibility that a supernova or a series of them could explain a mass die-off of marine animals around 2.6 million years ago," writes Slashdot reader KindMind. From the report: A gigantic supernova explosion may have triggered mass extinctions for creatures living in Earth's prehistoric oceans some 2.6 million years ago, according to new research published in Astrobiology. Marine animals like the megalodon [...] suddenly disappeared during the late Pliocene. Around the same time, scientists [...] noticed a peak in the iron-60 isotope in ancient seabeds. "As far back as the mid-1990s, people said, "Hey, look for iron-60. It's a telltale because there's no other way for it to get to Earth but from a supernova.' Because iron-60 is radioactive, if it was formed with the Earth it would be long gone by now. So, it had to have been rained down on us" explained Adrian Melott, lead author of the paper and a physics and astronomy professor at the University of Kansas.

The team believes that a supernova located 150 light years away set of a chain of supernovae bursts and covered the Earth in a shroud of deadly cosmic ray radiation. This was amplified, Melott said, because the Solar System is right on the edge of an area of the interstellar medium called the Local Bubble. The Local Bubble extends about 300 light years across and contains the two main clouds of dust and gas: Local Interstellar Cloud and the G-Cloud. As the supernovae ejected cosmic rays, these beams of energetic particles would have repeatedly bounced off the clouds to create a "cosmic-ray bath" that could have lasted 10,000 to 100,000 years. Some of that radiation such as cosmic ray muons would have leaked onto Earth, and over time it could have led to genetic mutations and cancers [that would have caused animals like the megalodon to die off prematurely].

76 comments

  1. G-cloud.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must be where the g-spot is located.

    1. Re:G-cloud.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep looking, incel.

  2. It could be. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So any evidence of dinosaur cancers, or are we just making shit up now because maybe?

    1. Re:It could be. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So any evidence of dinosaur cancers, or are we just making shit up now because maybe?

      There were no dinosaurs in the Pliocene (5.3 to 2.6 mya). The dinosaurs died out roughly 70 million years ago (except for birds).

      The supernova hypothesis is not just conjecture. The Scorpius Centaurus star cluster passed close (150 ly) to earth during the Pliocene, and there are remnants of supernovae from about that timeframe. The iron isotopes are more evidence.

      There are other explanations for the extinctions. The Isthmus of Panama formed about that time, which changed ocean currents and may have disrupted migration paths. The climate was cooling and the ice caps formed. As the ice caps freeze and thaw they change salinity (creating cold saline water that sinks to the depths with they freeze, and brackish surface water when they thaw), and more extreme thermal gradients, as cold and saline polar "bottom water" settles into the ocean depths. This changes currents and reduces upwelling.

      It could have been any of these factors, or some combination of all of them. The Pliocene extinctions were not sudden like the Permian and Cretaceous-Tertiary extinctions.

    2. Re:It could be. by Freischutz · · Score: 2

      The dinosaurs died out roughly 70 million years ago (except for birds).

      I was watching this documentary about feathered dinosaurs. It had an interview with a Chinese Palaeontologist who has done a lot of work on feathered dinosaurs and specifically the feathered raptors that evolved into birds. At the end he terminated the film by excusing himself to the interviewer because his wife had asked him to buy a dinosaur for dinner on his way home. The documentary ended with a shot of him heading home from the market carrying a chicken. It puts a whole new perspective on going to Kentucky Fried if you realise that you are munching on a bucket of dinosaur drumsticks.

    3. Re:It could be. by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1

      The supernova hypothesis is not just conjecture. The Scorpius Centaurus star cluster passed close (150 ly) to earth during the Pliocene, and there are remnants of supernovae from about that timeframe. The iron isotopes are more evidence.

      Supernovae..., perhaps the answer to the Fermi Paradox.

    4. Re:It could be. by Rolgar · · Score: 1

      I've recently viewed a science video with my kids talking about breeding chickens to be more dinosaur like. If you've seen them run, you'd be impressed at how raptor like they probably are. Obviously the claws have been replaced by wings, but the frame and movement looks like it hasn't changed much in the last 70 million years.

    5. Re:It could be. by SqueakyMouse · · Score: 1

      Their ancestors 70 million years ago also had wings and feathers. Birds have probably been around since the Jurassic Period, long before T-rex and velociraptor for example. They still had teeth back then so would have looked a bit weird though.

    6. Re: It could be. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol science doesn't even prove stars are made of gas. If they were they would not be able to put out consistent light. Btw light doesn't travel either, Electric Universe can't be held down much longer!

    7. Re:It could be. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about the answer, but certainly an answer.

    8. Re:It could be. by dryeo · · Score: 1

      They're one of the many filters. Many stars pass through areas of high numbers of supernovas such as star forming regions. These regions also have large numbers of blue giants that put out a lot of radiation. There's also areas of dense stars where close enough encounters with other stars are likely to perturb any planets orbit as well as send in more material from comet clouds and such.
      Just in a stars travels around the galaxy over billions years, there's a lot of stuff that will screw life developing.

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    9. Re:It could be. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've recently viewed a science video with my kids talking about breeding chickens to be more dinosaur like. If you've seen them run, you'd be impressed at how raptor like they probably are. Obviously the claws have been replaced by wings, but the frame and movement looks like it hasn't changed much in the last 70 million years.

      What other observations can you share from taking your magic time machine back to see what raptors looked like when they ran?

    10. Re:It could be. by burtosis · · Score: 1

      It puts a whole new perspective on going to Kentucky Fried if you realise that you are munching on a bucket of dinosaur drumsticks.

      So it's probably yes, the answer to the age old question; do dinosaurs taste like chicken? Clearly my interpolation from watching flintsones cartoons is wrong here.

  3. BeauHD sucks as an editor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    BeauHD sucks as an editor
    BeauHD sucks as an editor

    He tells you three times the same thing... and still no inkling as to WHY that would be the case.

    This is not how you write summaries, BeauHD. Thus we see that BeauHD sucks as an editor.

    1. Re:BeauHD sucks as an editor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does he get paid? I'll do the job with twice the quality and content for half the salary.

      Four for the price of BeauHD is a deal too good to pass up.

    2. Re:BeauHD sucks as an editor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When your only competition is msmash...

  4. "Supernovae" 3 by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

    I like the last E.

    1. Re:"Supernovae" 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It’s plural.

      The extinction was caused either by one supernova, or a series of supernovae.

    2. Re:"Supernovae" 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't explain "a chain of supernovae bursts". We write "truck accidents" not "trucks accidents". It should be the same for supernova bursts.

    3. Re:"Supernovae" 3 by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      That doesn't explain "a chain of supernovae bursts". We write "truck accidents" not "trucks accidents". It should be the same for supernova bursts.

      From the way TFS is worded, it could be trying to say that a single supernova can trigger a burst of cosmic radiation from the impact with the particles comprising the "local bubble" clouds it mentioned that bathed the Earth in higher levels of high-energy radiation and particles, and multiple supernovas/sipernovae resulted in a series of bursts from the clouds.

      Naturally, this being Slashdot, for all we know it could be talking about Beanie Babies, dinosaurs, or nuclear fusion...or nuclear fusion using Beanie Babies and dinosaurs. I don't think even Vegas would make odds on that.

      Strat

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    4. Re: "Supernovae" 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler caused it

  5. Where Cosmology meets Particles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    "these beams of energetic particles would have repeatedly bounced off the clouds to create a "cosmic-ray bath....Some of that radiation such as cosmic ray muons would have leaked onto Earth, and over time it could have led to genetic mutations and cancers."

    Can I remind you that particle physics and cosmological physics are not unified fields of science. Muons decay in microseconds, and could never reach earth travelling at C (according to particle physics, not me.).

    "The muon (/mjun/; from the Greek letter mu () used to represent it) is an elementary particle similar to the electron, with an electric charge of 1 e and a spin of 1/2, but with a much greater mass. It is classified as a lepton. As is the case with other leptons, the muon is not believed to have any sub-structure—that is, it is not thought to be composed of any simpler particles...Muon decay almost always produces at least three particles, which must include an electron of the same charge as the muon and two neutrinos of different types."

    I see a particle that is indivisible, yet breaks down into bigger particles, and a mass derived from those bigger particles. Impossible.

    ********

    Can I point out something obvious.

    Clearly a muon cannot be *fundamental* and yet *decay* into other fundamental particles. It is interacting with other things you cannot see to create those BIGGER particles.

    The core problem with physics:

    You have an oscillating dipole, sitting in a resonant field, cancelling it.

    Dipole +ve up, field -ve down, result = net ZERO
    Dipole zero-crossing, field zero-crossing, result = net ZERO
    Dipole -ve up, field +ve down, result = net ZERO

    So you cannot see it. You didn't know it was there.

    But you can push this dipole with an oscillating field, and it goes shooting off, pow... light from nowhere! All you did was put in energy and out came an electric oscillating wave like thing....

    And since all you did was put in energy, you think *all* the parts of that must have come from the energy. The oscillation, the electric charged particles, that make that electric field, all, must have come from the energy.

    By magic.

    This is the core problem, you've built (insane) models of matter and space based on 2 out of the 3 dimensions.

    And all this oscillating MATTER IS RIGHT THERE, but you cannot detect it or see it, and any measurement you try to make with equipment fails because the matter of the equipment resonates with the underlying field cancelling it.

    If you stopped your quantum entanglement bullshit, you'd see you already proved the resonance of matter in the entanglement experiment:
    Postulate Proof: https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13041516&cid=57791044

    Once you realize how it really works, you cannot unsee it.

    Electrons don't go from -ve points (muons) to flat discs to the surface of spheres by themselves. They are sitting in a field of oscillating matter.
    Protons are not probabilistic smeared over spheres, they are still point charges being fling around that sphere by the matter around them.

    Going into denial about it, won't fix anything.
    https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13041516&cid=57791032

    1. Re: Where Cosmology meets Particles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said muons are elementary particles, yet they decay into an electron and two neutrinos, what kind of juxtaposition is this ?

    2. Re: Where Cosmology meets Particles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I quoted Wikipedia on muons. That is physics *current* model. They DON'T decay into neutrinos and an electron. I juxtaposed them to emphasize the absurdness of the current model.

      So I could then explain the blindness behind it that causes this insane model to exist.

    3. Re: Where Cosmology meets Particles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "elementaryness" of a particle has nothing to do with if it is stable or unstable. The definition of an elementary particle is that it doesn't show evidence of sub-structure. So there is no f-ing juxtaposition.

    4. Re:Where Cosmology meets Particles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly a muon cannot be *fundamental* and yet *decay* into other fundamental particles. It is interacting with other things you cannot see to create those BIGGER particles.

      The muon is more massive than an electron or neutrino. Aside from that, the muon does not physically contain an electron and neutrino.

      Electrons don't go from -ve points (muons) to flat discs to the surface of spheres by themselves. They are sitting in a field of oscillating matter.

      Huh? Electrons are point particles.

      Protons are not probabilistic smeared over spheres, they are still point charges being fling around that sphere by the matter around them.

      Protons consist of three point charges (quarks), not one charge.

    5. Re:Where Cosmology meets Particles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, this:

      Electrons don't go from -ve points (muons) to flat discs to the surface of spheres by themselves. They are sitting in a field of oscillating matter.

      should have been quoted as a "quote" in the above post.

  6. Marine animals? by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am curious as to why this would have driven marine animals to extinction without having a similar effect on terrestrial animals. I would want this explained before giving this theory any credence.

    1. Re:Marine animals? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      The were mass extinctions of marsupials in South America during the Pliocene. But that was because of an invasion of placental mammals from North America when the Isthmus of Panama formed.

      Otherwise, there was no noticeable rise in terrestrial extinctions.

    2. Re:Marine animals? by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      Yes it is a sort of strange idea that cosmic rays would've driven a large shark of all things, famous for their resistance to cancer, extinct. If the rays did directly kill things they could've messed up the food chain well enough to drive large predators extinct more easily, I'd think.

    3. Re:Marine animals? by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At a guess, the radioactive iron would have hit the land and not remained in the atmosphere, limiting (though not eliminating) its consumption by land animals. Water supplies would have been decontaminated over a relatively short space of time as rainfall flushes away the iron that entered the rivers. Food supplies would have been contaminated, sure, but not to a very high degree.

      But in the sea, it probably would have been suspended in the water, meaning it would end up being consumed by sea consumers as a matter of course.

      This is a guess. I'd be curious to know if I'm in the ballpark on it.

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    4. Re:Marine animals? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes it is a sort of strange idea that cosmic rays would've driven a large shark of all things, famous for their resistance to cancer, extinct. If the rays did directly kill things they could've messed up the food chain well enough to drive large predators extinct more easily, I'd think.

      There definitely are some issues with the hypothesis. The most compelling part is the Iron-60 anomaly. That being said the extinctions seem to be very selective. I'm pretty confident that there were some supernovae, but not so much that it caused the extinctions.

      But that's why we have the hypothesis process. Set 'em up, tear 'em down.

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    5. Re:Marine animals? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Extinguished by a giant bomb gets so many more clicks than shifting ocean currents.

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      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
  7. Why only a marine die-off? by skoskav · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the ocean life got a wallop of cosmic rays, wouldn't the land creatures fare even worse?

    Neither the article nor paper's abstract went into it, so I instead have to hypothesize that perhaps the ocean surface micro-organisms were especially sensitive to radiation, leading to an ecological collapse... or maybe the supernovae and extinction events are even unrelated.

    1. Re: Why only a marine die-off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I read through their entire drivel for the same question as you have. They even say that elephants and other large land mammals would have been at high risk of this but then they go on to ignore that point completely afterwards.

      I think it's just that there are already a number of die-off theories for land based animals but many of them don't explain the marine life; This one does. So they want to get it out there fast and with great impact because that's how they get fantastic funding.

      Personally I don't agree with this theory. I agree that the supernova happened and that it would've plausibly raised cancerous cell rates in mammals, but even their own research words it like "it would've raised cancer rates by about 50%." Well animals following their own biological diets don't get cancer nearly as much as modern humans so let's say instead of 1/10 giant sharks getting cancer now we have 2/10 giant sharks getting cancer. It's still not a big enough knockout in terms of explaining a full on, fairly sudden extinction. And they even admit that 6 or 7 other theories are just as likely as this BS.

    2. Re:Why only a marine die-off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the increase of cosmic rays cause extensive cloud formation leading to a climate change, or that algae just loved popping radioactive iron isotopes. There was probably a heliopause minimum at about 1000AD that have been speculated to have caused the protective bubble to shrink almost to our orbit. The tree samples still carry marks of that event, so the life on land is surprisingly durable.

    3. Re:Why only a marine die-off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The doses they are speaking about in the ocean are really low (I am reading something like 10mS/yr). There are places on Earth with higher radiation dose rates right now. In itself, the paper is very speculative, does not reports the yearly doses suffered by animals, nor compares it to current levels and our understanding of cancer probability. (Oddly enough, elephants are less likely to develop cancers than humans).
      I honestly don't know how that passed peer review.

      Probably because I was not the reviewer...

  8. Occam's razor by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1, Funny

    simplest explanation for the extinctions is, Chuck Norris.

    1. Re:Occam's razor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chunk Norris was born in March 1940. By 1942, all dinosaurs besides birds were extinct[1].

      [1] This is probably only because Chuck Norris wasn't able to fly yet at age 2.

    2. Re:Occam's razor by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Chunk Norris was born in March 1940. By 1942, all dinosaurs besides birds were extinct[1].

      [1] This is probably only because Chuck Norris wasn't able to fly yet at age 2.

      Chuck Norris is a demigod: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    3. Re:Occam's razor by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Chunk Norris was born in March 1940. By 1942, all dinosaurs besides birds were extinct

      Little known fact, in 1942 a toddler Chuck Norris visited the natural history museum and accidentally stumbled on a Megladon jaw on display. In doing so he impacted it so hard that the force reverberated back through time causing the extinction of the entire species.

  9. V1: Massless velocity, momentum, gravity,... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, this is a big one, but explained in simple terms, it takes you through velocity (why we cannot go faster than C with 1F matter), momentum, magnetism, gravity, why forces appear to propagate at C etc.
    WITHOUT MASS. There is no mass.

    Postulate V1:
    *****
    Massless Velocity is spin surfing

    Imagine the underlying resonant electric field as a sine wave.
    A dipole D1, is on this wave and in phase with it, oscillating in a line (up and down) with no spin component. Up down up down, as the electric wave passes under it. It's amplitude is W, its wavelength is W.
    It's following the underlying field and doing no work. This is a perfect clean (simplified) world, the dipole perfectly cancels the underlying field and there is no extra component left.

    To push this dipole and induce velocity, I move an oscillating matter dipole D2 next to it, that D2 dipole has some oscillating component along the X axis.

    I've now pushed a component of the resonance field along X, our D1 dipole now has a spin component along the X axis. I've pushed the D1 oscillation into the X axis.

    Suppose it spins once, clockwise along the x axis for each 360 oscillations of the dipole.
    Every oscillation of the dipole, the dipole is now 1 degree of phase out. It needs to move W/360 forward to be in the correct place in the field to cancel it. Each spin it processes W/360 along the resonant wave.

    If I pushed *all* of the oscillating into the X axis, that would be the full 1W per spin. i.e. the speed of light is the maximum velocity in this range.

    *******
    Say Hello To Magnetism

    If I pushed part of the Z oscillation into the X axis, it travels along the X axis.
    If I push part of the Z oscillation into the Y axis, it travels along the Y axis.
    What if I push the Z oscillation into *both* axis?,... it will travel in the net result of both axis spins, a line between the two, leaving an oscillation across the axis of travel. aka the magnetic field. So the magnetic field is an electric oscillation.
    Notice you cannot have a magnetic field without also having velocity, but you can have velocity without a magnetic field.

    **********
    Momentum is conservation of energy

    We have a spin, it has energy in that spin (motion over the electric field). As long as it continues to spin and traverse, it continues to line up with the underlying oscillating field and, is doing no work. It is simply following the electric field. Since it's doing no work, energy is not being added or removed. To stop it, you need to distort the field along X, *against* the spin, to cancel the spin, and take the energy out again.
    Momentum is conservation of energy in the spin.
    Since momentum is a property of spin, it cannot be also a property of mass and so there is no 'mass'.

    *******
    Real World Propagation at C

    You push a puck with your finger. Your finger is made of 1F oscillating dipoles some with a oscillating component in the X axis.
    You distort the field of the dipoles D1s nearest your finger in the X axis.
    D1 dipoles are now spinning across this two axis (Z & X) oscillating field.
    The spin moves the dipoles of D1.
    Which in turn distorts the field for dipoles further into the puck, D2.
    Which causes D2 to spin.
    Which distorts the field for D3....

    Only when D1 has completed the maximum displacement, has the *full* extent of the distorted field been applied to D2.
    Likewise D2 on D3. The spins have to happen, time has to pass, in order to propagate the full changes to the field along from dipole to dipole along the puck.

    This is the magic linkage between the speed of light and the apparent speed of propagation of electric forces.

    This is why an electric field *appears* to propagate at the speed of light, in actuality, it is the *effect* of the electric field that requires spins to propagate... the "push" wave ripples along the puck, D1 spins, then D2 spins, then D3 spins... until the puck is moving at a velocity away from your finger.

    And because

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  11. Testable experiments and predictions of V1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't need to take my word for this, it produces testable experiments, and explains some previously unexplained observations.

    *****
    Heisenberg uncertainty is nonsense.

    Note that the jiggle is complex but not random, it is not uncertainty, it is also not uniform, and it should be less going towards or away from the center of resonance.

    Think of the ripples in a pond, to be resonant in more than one axis means it has a center of resonance. Which in turn means its noisier to cross the ripples than travel along the waves outward from, the center.

    So the universe has an axis, and, from our perspective, it runs from us to the resonant center of the universe and away from us in the same direction. It radiates outward from the resonance center.

    ----
    Testable Items Noise:

    This should be visible in all noisy systems. It will be the main driver for noise. Traverse *across* the ripples will be noisy, travel *with* the ripples will be noise-free.

    It should be in the cosmic background radiation: CMB's "Dipole Axis" looks the most likely candidate. This is an existing observation of an unexplained dipole axis across the whole universe in the background radiation.
    http://nigelkerner.com/Confirmations/Axis_of_Evil.html

    And since the oscillation across that axis as to line up, so any magnetic field must have a fixed axis too.
    So CMB's observed "Axis of Evil" will correspond to the magnetic axis of this resonant field.

    You should be able to detect it in signal noise, it should be there in laser scintillation, less scintillation/noise pointing towards the resonant center of the universe, more at 90 degrees to that axis, and again away from the center of resonance there should be less noise.

    Since this is the universal resonant field underlying everything, it will be in *every*noisy*system* and the direction of less noise will always be the same, along an axis from us to the resonant center of the universe.

    e.g. Sharper hubble pictures towards and away from the resonance center, (the "Dipole Axis") than across it.

    ---
    You already have proof of resonance

    Note: You already proved electrical resonance in entanglement experiments
    https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13041516&cid=57791044

    This is a small scale proof, but proof non-the-less.

    ---
    Large scale proof of resonance is proof of electric force travelling at infinity

    Since this is 3D resonance, there must be a center to that resonance.

    If CMB's axis *is* my resonant center axis, then that's also proof of electric force propagating at infinity. Such a large system couldn't work, if short (direct) paths of oscillation and long (indirect) paths of oscillation arrived at different times.

    ----
    Speculative:
    Doesn't this mean that all matter lines up along radiant lines out from the resonant center of the universe?
    i.e. it takes more energy (even if transient) to travel *across* the ripples, but travelling *with* the ripples (towards or against) is free. So over time matter will line up along the radiant lines, and so any velocity component be pushed into that radial direction.... acceleration outward from the resonant center.

    You have this unexplained observation : not only is the universe expanding, the expansion is accelerating. The consequence of a resonant center is this acceleration.

    The current explanation of "space itself expanding" is silly scifi stuff. *We* chose the definition of cartesian space. If we'd chosen a different definition then our equations would be different, and space would have to expand differently to fit our new equations. Quick your bullshit.

    ---
    But there is also a testable consequence here:

    Edge of the Universe is an Event Horizon
    At C/2, there will be a 'poof' and you have an event horizon at the edge of our universe, just as you would at C/2 on the black hole.

    So if you give up on your (frankly ridiculous) idea of space 'stretching', you have an explanation for the edge of t

  12. Protection agains close supernovae by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a interesting conceptual problem.

    How can humankind could survive to a close supernovae explosion. (with some centuries/millenia of time to prepare)

    Obviously, for very close supernovae, there is a only way. Run!. Develop interstellar travel and flee enough far from the explosion.

    But for this kind of supernovae up to some distance, very buried colonies could survive.
    Where we could, in the solar system, build or best protected colony?
    Perhaps inside the core of a small asteroid/planet like Ceres or Vesta?

    1. Re: Protection agains close supernovae by Ormy · · Score: 1

      Genuinely can't tell if this is sarcasm, but if it was its not terribly funny. B+ trolling.

    2. Re: Protection agains close supernovae by geantvert · · Score: 2

      Thank you! I am now reassured. I was terrified by the prospect of the Great Tribulation but I now know that this won't happen before the next nearby supernova. We know that IK Pegasi - the closest supernova candidate - is too far away to cause us any harm so I can now assume that the Great Tribulation is not due before we approach another candidate so in several millions years. Thanks again! I can go back sinning.

    3. Re: Protection agains close supernovae by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      None of those ideas will work. A nearby supernova and/or a gamma ray burst will probably occur during the Great Tribulation. It's very reasonable to interpret John's prophecy in the book of Revelation to include such an event.

      Negative! any serious inspection of the truths contained in God's book make it very obvious that the Tribulation is started by a cosmic beatdown between Chic-Fil-A and Taco Bell.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    4. Re:Protection agains close supernovae by gtall · · Score: 1

      "Develop interstellar travel" Stop watching TV, it is bad for you. The closest star to Earth is Alpha Centuri and it is 4.22 light years from Earth. Just a guess, but you won't be going there on your imagined interstellar space ship at the speed of light. If you are lucky, you might get to half that speed. Then there is the speed up and slow down phases. So you might get there in 10 years.

      You'll be wanting to bring along a lot of food...you cannot build a space ship that big. So you'll be wanting to grow it which means an entire hanger full of plants and what-not, even plants must eat. That's a mighty massive space ship you are assuming...and you need to get all that mass to half light speed.

      I know, you could open up a hyperspace window...oh, except that would mean quite an expenditure of energy and done in such a way that it didn't rip your ship apart.

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  14. Re: mumbai escorts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sadly, Slashdot was replaced with a massive perl script instead of any actual humans now. So we're pretty much fucked.

  15. Supernova* May Explains* Mass Extinctions of Briti by schure · · Score: 1

    FTFY

  16. Seems Like Grasping at Straws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel like there are too many things that had to happen "just so" for this theory to hold any water. I tend to think that the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one, all things being equal (Occam's Razor, of course). This does not seem like a simple explanation.

    I think a far simpler explanation is climate change. Climate change is responsible for all of the other mass extinctions, including the current one, so I see no reason to believe this one is somehow different.

  17. circular reasoning? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Because iron-60 is radioactive, if it was formed with the Earth it would be long gone by now. So, it had to have been rained down on us

    Joe: We know for sure how old the Earth is, because of radiometric dating.

    Bob: Hey cool. BTW, what's that stuff there?

    Joe: Iron-60.

    Bob: Cool. Wait a minute, how could that still be there?

    Joe: Well, it must have fallen on us.

    Bob: Cool, how do you know that?

    Joe: Er, well ... if it was formed with the Earth it would be long gone by now. So, it had to have been rained down on us.

    Bob: Oh ... OK. That's logical ... I guess.

    {...}

    Bob: Er, so that other stuff over there ... how do you know that didn't rain down on us?.

    Joe: I hate you.

    1. Re:circular reasoning? by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      Ha! In a simplistic view, maybe, but there are lots of ways to tell something is 'out of place'. The distribution of the stripe of 'weird' Iron in places that local iron would not end up under normal processes would also be a clue. It's like how you can tell a viral insertion in the genome is not part of the normal hereditary sequence, even if it made it into the germ line.

    2. Re:circular reasoning? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1, Informative

      Bob: Er, so that other stuff over there ... how do you know that didn't rain down on us?.

      Joe: I hate you.

      Seriously?

      Location in strata, total amount, distrbution with other elements.

      But your Iron-60....

      Okay, a layer of a specific element is found in a thin layer of sediment that isn't found elsewhere. You can then try to figure where it might have come from. Iron is a good candidate for a supernova, because Iron creation is the end of the fusion process right before a star goes supernova.

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    3. Re:circular reasoning? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Is this really what you think the thought process was coming up with this theory?

      It's more:

      "Well, we have good reason to believe X and Y happened. This would have resulted in Z, which would have caused mass extinctions of the type we saw."

      "OK, but what proof do we have?"

      "Unfortunately it's going to be hard to find proof other than with the hypothesis fitting the available data. For example, Z will have finished by now and the only evidence would be slightly more conventional iron as sediment at depths associated with the extinction, but as the iron wouldn't be radioactive that wouldn't be compelling proof."

      "Sounds a good hypothesis though, and it does fit the available evidence, why not post it, and maybe other people can find ways in which its falsable."

      THIS IS HOW SCIENCE WORKS.

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    4. Re:circular reasoning? by Agent0013 · · Score: 1
      That is on top of other problems with radiocarbon dating. They pretend that the creation of carbon 14 is constant, but they know it isn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The Laschamp event was a short reversal of the Earth's magnetic field. It occurred 41,400 (±2,000) years ago during the last ice age and was first recognised in the late 1960s as a geomagnetic reversal recorded in the Laschamp lava flows in the Clermont-Ferrand district of France. The magnetic excursion has since been demonstrated in geological archives from many parts of the world. The period of reversed magnetic field was approximately 440 years, with the transition from the normal field lasting approximately 250 years. The reversed field was 75% weaker, whereas the strength dropped to only 5% of the current strength during the transition. This reduction in geomagnetic field strength resulted in more cosmic rays reaching the Earth, causing greater production of the cosmogenic isotopes beryllium 10 and carbon 14. The Laschamp event was the first known geomagnetic excursion and remains the most thoroughly studied among the known geomagnetic excursions.

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    5. Re:circular reasoning? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Radiocarbon dating, and C14 production in particular, is usually calibrated with some other source. Counting tree rings is the most popular. C14 production is certainly not regarded as constant.

      Since you can clearly use Wikipedia, perhaps you should have read the radiocarbon dating entry?

      Research has been ongoing since the 1960s to determine what the proportion of 14
      C in the atmosphere has been over the past fifty thousand years. The resulting data, in the form of a calibration curve, is now used to convert a given measurement of radiocarbon in a sample into an estimate of the sample's calendar age. Other corrections must be made to account for the proportion of 14
      C in different types of organisms (fractionation), and the varying levels of 14
      C throughout the biosphere (reservoir effects). Additional complications come from the burning of fossil fuels such as coal and oil, and from the above-ground nuclear tests done in the 1950s and 1960s.

      (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating)

  18. Cosmic rays & Radio-Isotopes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Radioactive-Isotopes from a supernova would arrive long after the Cosmic rays from the same supernova.

  19. Wondered about the barber shop mirrors.... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    One of the things that used to intrigue me, when I was little, was this barber shop mirrors that create a series of images by repeated reflections. Wondered how come all the images were equally bright.

    Later when we were taught absorption, reflection, scattering and transmission it dawned on me that even if the mirrors were nearly 99.9999% reflective, even that 1.0e-06 or 1.0e-12 scattering would degrade the images and eventually the later images will be less bright and eventually fade to black.

    Reflection and scattering from clouds from one supernova burst, and we were bathed by repeated reflections for 10,000 years? And the radiation remained potent for that long? It is boggles my tiny brain. Hope the guys doing the math did not forget a decimal point or two.

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  20. Anything is possible if you only believe in Jeebus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the purpose of this comment? Do you find it exciting to act like a shithead? Was there some quasi-political point you were trying to make?

  21. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ridiculous theory.

  22. Gene Drive Extinction? by FeelGood314 · · Score: 1

    Cancer kills an individual creature. Even if 90% of a species is killed by cancer most species would bounce back. However a mutation that made all of an individuals off spring a single sex would lead to extinction of most species. Our genome is full of defenses against these types of mutations and the genomes of more than a few species are littered with the scares of near misses.

  23. Re: Anything is possible if you only believe in Je by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Christianity is no different than Nazism, spreading hate, violence, and murder

    Hitler would be proud

    evilbible.com --=shows how peaceful Christianity truly is.

  24. "A gigantic supernova explosion" by PJ6 · · Score: 1

    As opposed to what, a small supernova potato?

    How about just "supernova"?

  25. Re: Anything is possible if you only believe in Je by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you find it exciting to act like a shithead?

    Thank you for answering that question.

  26. From whence did the iron come? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But where did the iron-60 come from? Are you telling me it travelled here across 100+ lightyears in detectable amounts?