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T-Mobile Denies Lying To FCC About Size of Its 4G Network (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: T-Mobile has denied an allegation that it lied to the Federal Communications Commission about the extent of its 4G LTE coverage. A group that represents small rural carriers says that T-Mobile claimed to have 4G LTE coverage in places where it hadn't yet installed 4G equipment. That would violate FCC rules and potentially prevent small carriers from getting network construction money in unserved areas. T-Mobile said the allegations made by the Rural Wireless Association (RWA) in an FCC filing on Friday "are patently false."

"RWA's misrepresentations are part of an ongoing pattern of baseless allegations by the organization against T-Mobile designed to delay or thwart competition in rural America and deprive rural Americans of meaningful choice for broadband services," T-Mobile wrote. "The organization's repeated disregard for fact-based advocacy is a disrespectful waste of Commission time and resources." RWA members have conducted millions of speed tests at their own expense to determine whether the major carriers' coverage claims are correct. The RWA says both Verizon and T-Mobile have exaggerated coverage, and the FCC is taking the allegations seriously. FCC Chairman Ajit Pai announced last week that the FCC has begun an investigation and that a preliminary review of speed-test data "suggested significant violations of the Commission's rules." The FCC has not said which carrier or carriers violated the rules.

31 comments

  1. Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You canâ(TM)t make this stuff up

    1. Re: Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      T-Mobile customer for 15 years.

      TFA is accurate. You'd be good to get 1.5 megabytes in "4g covered" areas.

      But.... since I've been with them continuously for 10 years, I get a special number that involves NO bad accents from overseas nor "New Jersey".

      So.. my porn is slower to load. Gives me a chanceto improve on my stamina..

  2. Shame by bobstreo · · Score: 2

    on the FCC for not actually checking information.

    Shame on the carriers for believing their own coverage maps.

    The best way to solve this would be to require the carriers to install 4G/5G towers in the areas they lied about with enough towers to cover the entire area.

    1. Re:Shame by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I think it'd be better to force them to pay the rural carriers to do it.

      They should be fined enough to cover the money they were trying to deny competition.

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    2. Re:Shame by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      T-Mobile said the allegations made by the Rural Wireless Association (RWA) in an FCC filing on Friday "are patently false."

      So, it's interesting that folks use adverbs like "patently" prior to denunciations of evildoing, as if modifiers are not a red flag.

      Yes, they should be fined, and in a significant manner, but alas, if the money indeed goes to the third party, whistle-blowing rural carrier, it's "extremely" important to verify the veracity of the complainant... if we don't want this to end up the Cellular equivalent of local police jurisdictions' seizure of money deemed to have been acquired suspiciously.

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    3. Re:Shame by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Better yet, just hire Google to add a Cellular Radio Style Censor and let the data flow into the Maps database. Third party verification, and if the streetview photos I've seen of rural areas is any indication we should have a full map in 3-4 years, refreshed on a 4 year cycle.

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  3. They all lie by Monoman · · Score: 1

    News at 11!

    My friends know of many local dead spots for AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile. Do you think any of their coverage maps accurately show their lack of coverage? HELL NO.

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    1. Re:They all lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it. The difference is that T-Mobile and Verizon haven't lined the right pockets!

  4. To anyone with a clue by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

    Coverage providers fudging the network size/service area is old news. For anyone dealing with device/Apps that are used in rural America/fly over country.
    What I would really like to know is where has the 100s of millions in fees the government has taken on communications bills over the years for rural network expansion has gone?
    For years government has collected rural coverage expansion fees on electric and communications bills. In order to provide additional services in areas having trouble. Heck they still collect fees for rural electric expansion on electric bills. And where in most of rural America is there not electricity.
    In a way, I say we just disband the FCC and end all of the electric and communication fees and add on charges. None of the funds are going anywhere useful anyway.
    Sure there will be problems and issues. But we have a better chance of a business stepping up to better serve customers that any hope the government will fix anything.

    Just my 2 cents ;)

  5. Can you hear me now? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Interesting

    T-Mobile says: "We have coverage here, here, here ..."
    Little rural company says: "They lied! They don't have coverage there, there, there, ..."

    Should be trivial to check, without even any fancy equipment. Take a T-Mobile 4G phone to there, there, there, ... and make a call. "Can you hear me now?"

    Now that both sides are on record, whichever is lying can be fined big time - which will more than pay for the FCC guy making the trip and tests.

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    1. Re:Can you hear me now? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      (or tethered phone and run speed test.)

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    2. Re:Can you hear me now? by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

      Well, they should check the northern and southern corners of North Dakota. Not much 4g there. When my client was calling and asking if the App was at fault. I found one Verizon coverage map that showed a finger heading from Bismark to Dickinson and nothing north or south where the crews were. Had to redo App store and hold.
      Verizon told the client they had North and South Dakota covered.

    3. Re:Can you hear me now? by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

      Western North Dakota

    4. Re:Can you hear me now? by piers_downunder · · Score: 1

      A phone call can be made on a 2G connection. A better test would be to set the phone to 4G connection only and run a data speed-test.

  6. Re:Yeah Yeah Yeah by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Melania? Stormy Daniels? Karen McDougal?

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  7. and besides.. by foradoxium · · Score: 1

    It's really how you use it.

  8. It's not a lie... by drolli · · Score: 2

    it is an alternatively reported size......

  9. Re:Yeah Yeah Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would they care? They all got paid...

  10. Lies by DaMattster · · Score: 2

    Why single out T-Mobile? All of the big telecoms lie about their coverage in one way, shape, or form. Verizon and AT&T are no strangers to telling lie after lie.

    1. Re:Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why single out T-Mobile? All of the big telecoms lie about their coverage in one way, shape, or form. Verizon and AT&T are no strangers to telling lie after lie.

      Pretty much. Almost my entire state is supposedly covered by AT&T LTE, but the truth is that not only do I see LTE drop out on the way to and from work, but I often see all data drop out entirely.

    2. Re:Lies by nnull · · Score: 1

      AT&T definitely in highly populated areas, not just rural.

    3. Re:Lies by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Why single out T-Mobile?

      Because AT&T and Verizon are trying to do something about that pesky "UnCarrier" making then look bad in the public's eye. Time to start calling in some campaign donation favors and derail the Sprint merger before T-Mobile becomes a real competitor to them.

    4. Re: Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're assuming that this isn't an ATT or Verizon funded attack to prevent the t mobile Sprint merger. I assume it is.

    5. Re:Lies by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Every telecom has exaggerated the size of their mobile network to a cute regulator at the bar here and there.

  11. T Mobile target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    T-Mobile pushing for a merger with Sprint so now is an opportune time to challenge.

  12. It's on my to-do list. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... designed to delay or thwart competition ...

    Translation: It's on my to-do list, don't look at our maps.

    How does pretending something (cell base-stations) doesn't exist, stop it working and stop providing market competition?

    Two corporations, each calling the other, dishonest: Wealth and monopoly-power versus grass-roots. Alas, with the US supreme court declaring that corporations are honest, I'll believe the opposite when it's not facing a free market.

  13. Are you for real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That money was given to the big communications coperations as an incentive to get them to pay for equipment upgrade network coverage expansion costs.

    At&t lobbied hard to get the money and when it did....promptly declared everything was actually not that bad, that it was awesome in fact, and that there was no need to actually use the money for anything other than paying executive bonuses because they deserved them on account of being suddenly so extremely profitable!

    You think I'm making this up? Google it. The only thing worse than bad government is the corperations that bribe them to be that way and the morons who think deregulation is needed for freer free market capitalism not to bend them over and screw them senseless.

  14. Big packets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on, no man would ever lie about the size of this network.

  15. Re:Yeah Yeah Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you associate penis with gay? Is it because you hate your mother?