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Business Communication Service Slack, in Compliance With US Regulations, Broadens Ban on Users in Sanctioned Nations (venturebeat.com)

Earlier this year, business communication service Slack began to block users in Syria, Iran, and select other embargoed countries to comply with U.S. regulations. This week, the company has broadened the scope of the ban by blocking some users if they have moved from or visited any of the sanctioned nations in recent years. From a report: The company began to face a backlash early today after several users complained that their Slack accounts had been deactivated and that they never received a formal warning from the company. Part of the problem, as Sarah Shugars, a PhD candidate at Network Science Institute at Northeastern University, pointed out, is that some users have been blocked even if they have been living in the United States for a number of years.

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  1. "Business Communication Service Slack" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you mean "IRC for Dummies Slack"?

  2. Whats's wrong withe email/IRC ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've let the millennials drag us down this path of monetized centralization.

    We wanted decentralized messaging with TeX-quality typesetting and Jupyter-style reproduction.

    Instead, all we got was a startup company, aptly named "Slack", through whom we must send all our communications in some proprietary form.

    Computing has become a shadow of what it once was. Damn the myopic, sniveling millennials.

    1. Re: Whats's wrong withe email/IRC ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop blaming millennials for what capitalists from your older generation do.

    2. Re:Whats's wrong withe email/IRC ??? by tepples · · Score: 2

      Whats's wrong withe email/IRC

      Let me count the problems that Discord and Slack solve compared to a basic IRC server:

      • Common IRC servers have no persistent log capability, meaning a user misses messages sent to a channel while the user is offline. I'm not aware of an IRC server distribution that includes a bouncer as a standard feature.
      • Common IRC servers have no attachment filedrop for use by logged-in users. Instead it has DCC, which is one-to-one and doesn't work through NAT.
      • Common IRC servers have no link summary bot. Instead, if someone includes a URL in a message, users are expected to click through without looking at what it might be.
      • To my knowledge, IRC has no concept of belonging to a channel group, whose members share privileges over all channels in the group. This is a "workspace" in Slack or a "server" in Discord.
    3. Re:Whats's wrong withe email/IRC ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So your solution to "existing platform doesn't have X" is "build and deploy an incompatible and locked-in system". Got it.

    4. Re: Whats's wrong withe email/IRC ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slack can't have dark backgrounds and white text. Therefore it isn't an option for me. How on earth can any chat app in 2018 not have the ability to change colors?

    5. Re:Whats's wrong withe email/IRC ??? by tepples · · Score: 1

      The free software solution is to create an IRC distribution adding these features. But the free software solution is less profitable than "an incompatible and locked-in system".

    6. Re:Whats's wrong withe email/IRC ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when? Sure - I don't know the basic specifications of IRC, but that doesn't mean that I didn't use and abuse a metric craptonne of them back in the day.

      The oh so difficult features you described could easily be solved by a bot and fairly straightforward scripting on the servers that I've been on in the far past. In fact all of them had in some of the more sophisticated ones that I frequented. Granted, I don't know how scalable some of options were, but at least to 10's of k users. Tons of other features on top of that too. Sound systems, background music, hard encryption (for what it was back in the day - DES/3DES), automated translations weren't there yet but there were 'paging'/messaging systems for translators in some sections, client and server side file verification (checksum/etc) depending on want/need, etc etc,

    7. Re:Whats's wrong withe email/IRC ??? by tepples · · Score: 1

      The oh so difficult features you described could easily be solved by a bot and fairly straightforward scripting on the servers that I've been on in the far past. In fact all of them had in some of the more sophisticated ones that I frequented.

      Say I want to put up an IRC server on a VPS, and I want to add these features (logs, attachment hosting, link summaries, and groups). Which distribution of IRC server software has them? And which IRC client integrates them? Or would this be something I need to write myself? Discord and Slack are cheaper than hiring someone to integrate all this into IRC for you.

  3. Oh Crap by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Funny

    Slack began to block users in Syria, Iran, and select other embargoed countries

    I hadn't really been worried about terrorism before, but now that Slack is no longer wasting the time of a whole lot of people in these countries I am deeply concerned.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re: Oh Crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to jail go directly to dam jail do not pass go do not collect $200. I think that is probably what the admins were reading when they implemented this change

  4. Blame the government for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Conservative laws like FOSTA and SESTA have forced those of us who host user generated content to switch from impartially hosting to now actively policing content

    "If in doubt, ban it" is now the mantra. And it will continue to get worse.

  5. Oh good by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    now if banks would actually do the same thing, we'd have something going on.

    Maybe some programmers in the affected countries could actually be happier and less likely to become terrorists because of this. /s

  6. and just how.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do they even know who has moved from, or even just visited, one of these countries?

    where the fuck are they getting their data?

    1. Re:and just how.. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      from Facebook

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re: and just how.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it is rather obvious why it would not be coming from google or any place like that. If they prefer other sources they will have to go fish somewhere else

    3. Re:and just how.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      presumably if you login from one of those countries you're forever blacklisted.

    4. Re:and just how.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FBI and State Department track this stuff. And make it available pretty broadly. If you have a need to know (compliance with sanctions, etc.) you can get this information from them.

  7. Re: Kendall aren't you pretending to be working n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone must be unhappy er mad about something

  8. They say problem, I see solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Part of the problem, as Sarah Shugars, a PhD candidate at Network Science Institute at Northeastern University, pointed out, is that some users have been blocked even if they have been living in the United States for a number of years."

    Problems???? Heh! That's the start of the solution! If banks and communication systems banned anyone that's EVER been to Iran, etc. Terrorists will disappear quickly.

    1. Re: They say problem, I see solution. by edris90 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, they would simply create a side chanell by which to transfer records and reciepts. After all that's all that money is records and receipts exchangeable for goods and services. as long as you can physically move goods and perform Services you can bypass popular forms of currency and still operate. Terrorists are created by the government's they oppose. They are a natural reaction to oppression. Terrorists and freedom fighter mean the same thing. Distinguishing difference is which side conflict you are rooting for.

    2. Re:They say problem, I see solution. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      So innocent refugees, for example, can move from one oppressive regime to another one. Or equally bad, this affects humanitarian aid workers from the US.

    3. Re: They say problem, I see solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell no. Fire fighter fights fire, crime fighter fights crime. What does a freedom fighter do?

      Terrorism does not depend on angle. An act of terrorism speaks for itself; hence its effectiveness.

    4. Re: They say problem, I see solution. by edris90 · · Score: 1

      The government and law is enforced by the same mechanics the only difference is whether or not is socially labeled as necessary. And so the same action may be terroristic or legitimate enforcement , the only difference is social approval. The Difference is subjective. The variable is whether you had a set of experiences in life that relates moreon this side of the conflict or that side of the conflict. our government practice is everything and more that we accuse terrorist of practicing the only difference is that we believe that they have the right to versus those we label terrorists. And so there is no,,outside of shared imagination, terrorism or Freedom Fighters. Simply opposing orders.

    5. Re: They say problem, I see solution. by edris90 · · Score: 1

      Freedom Fighter fights a dominant order in order to free themselves and or others from it. What they do next after gaining freedom from that order, is another matter altogether.

  9. And nothing of value was lost. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had to use Slack at my last stint. Would've been very grateful for them blocking me back then.

    Jeez, what a waste of time.

  10. Now I realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Governments and Big Corporations are the big terrorists! Maybe if they weren't funding the little terrorists to blow up random civilians so the sheeple felt threatened we would be focusing our attention where it counted. At those at the top.

  11. Mattermost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just switch to it.

  12. They created email/IRC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FOSS is capitalism: People choose to allocate their own resources (including their labor) to this or to that.

  13. GPDR compliance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GPDR: "don’t use that information for anything but the specific purposes consent were given for".... did EU user affected by this block consent to Slack using their IPs to block them for past travels?

  14. How is this even news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Earlier this year, business communication service Slack began to block users in Syria, Iran, and select other embargoed countries to comply with U.S. regulations."

    Because just before that, the OFAC called them up and asked how much they'd all like to spend some time in a federal prison.

    Seriously, this is a US law that every company has to comply with, and if they ignore these kinds of laws long enough (out of ignorance), they eventually get a call about it.

    It happened where I work too.

    1. Re: How is this even news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wish they'd just cut Americans off the Internet and be done with it.

      Trump should build a great firewall of the former United States, to go along with the great big prison wall to keep the dumb Americans on the reservation.

  15. Time to migrate to Rocket Chat? by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    When I came across Rocket Chat, my first thought was, "I wish this was available before we went to Slack." Cause now that we're on Slack, it's one of those, "Don't fix what ain't broke" problems.

    Looks like Slack took it upon themselves to fix that.

    https://rocket.chat/

  16. That's a good start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be great if Slack could finish the job and ban users in all the remaining countries too. Slack is a horrible cancer, and the degree of wasted computing resources to implement a simple chat program is reprehensible. They represent everything that is wrong with modern software development.

  17. difficult to read title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Business Communication Service Slack, in Compliance With US Regulations, Broadens Ban on Users in Sanctioned Nations
    would read better as:
    Slack Broadens Ban on Users in Sanctioned Nations in Compliance With US Regulations
    Summary/article should then define Slack as "a Business Communication Service"

  18. anonymous coward, but OFAC investigator type perso by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am genuinely confused -- especially on Iran ( Cuba is a different story ). There are specific licenses in place for over the internet communications in Iran. It is nothing more than a business decision on part of Slack team ( though I do not doubt they simply do not want to deal with a headache of monitoring it 24/7 ).

    https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/iran_gld1.pdf

  19. Slack sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We just migrated to it last month and are now dumping it.