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Python Gets New Governance Model (sdtimes.com)
The Python Software Foundation has settled on a new governance model for the programming language Python. The decision to come up with a new model was made after Python creator and chief Guido van Rossum stepped down as the "Benevolent Dictator For Life" (BDFL). SDTimes: The new governance model will rely on a five-person steering council to establish standard practices for introducing new features to the Python programming language. Based on tested methods, the proposal was designed to be "boring," comprehensive, flexible and lightweight, the steering council model document explained. "We're not experts in governance, and we don't think Python is a good place to experiment with new and untried governance models," software developers Nathaniel Smith and Donald Stufft explained in the Python documentation.
"So this proposal sticks to mature, well-known, previously tested processes as much as possible. The high-level approach of a mostly-hands-off council is arguably the most common across large successful F/OSS projects, and low-level details are derived directly from Django's governance." The steering council will serve as the "court of final appeal" for changes to the language and will have broad authority over the decision-making process, including the ability to accept or reject PEPs (Python Enhancement Proposals) (such as the one used to introduce this governance model), enforce and update the project's code of conduct, create subcommittees and manage project assets. But the intended goal of the council is to take a more hands-off and occasional approach to flexing its powers, Smith and Stufft explained.
"So this proposal sticks to mature, well-known, previously tested processes as much as possible. The high-level approach of a mostly-hands-off council is arguably the most common across large successful F/OSS projects, and low-level details are derived directly from Django's governance." The steering council will serve as the "court of final appeal" for changes to the language and will have broad authority over the decision-making process, including the ability to accept or reject PEPs (Python Enhancement Proposals) (such as the one used to introduce this governance model), enforce and update the project's code of conduct, create subcommittees and manage project assets. But the intended goal of the council is to take a more hands-off and occasional approach to flexing its powers, Smith and Stufft explained.
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All power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's only a matter of time.
Oh great, I think I will find my own chair and get my own popcorn
I realize you're being hyperbolic but SB-826 doesn't apply to 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation like the Python Foundation, only to publicly held corporations [See Sec 2, 301.3 (f)(2)]. Never mind the fact that PF is headquartered in Delaware and not California. [See SEC 2, 301.3 (c)]
Or alternatively, this is the first step down the road to having a process which enables decisions to be made about what new features to be bought into python, following the departure of the original language developer from that role.
It's also possible that SJW have managed to introduce their poison, by suggesting that a world where we are nice to each other is more pleasurable to live in than a world where we are not. It's a revolutionary idea and I understand why it has caused such a strong reaction.
Or alternatively, this is the first step down the road to having a process which enables decisions to be made about what new features to be bought into python, following the departure of the original language developer from that role.
What is it with adding features to a programming language. Define the language at the outset and all non-core functionality is handled by libraries. But for goodness sake stop redefining the language itself. Python is already a hot mess with partial object-oriented features and notation mixed with procedural and functional features. (e.g.) object.size() or object.length() for all data types instead of the current object.length attribute for some, object.length() or object.len() for some others, and len(object) for still others? What a mess!
Or alternatively, this is the first step down the road to having a process which enables decisions to be made about what new features to be bought into python, following the departure of the original language developer from that role.
Because languages designed by committees and "steering councils" are so popular compared to the works of focused individuals. Oh, wait, they aren't...
Ezekiel 23:20
One of the Pythons died a few decades ago; and the rest are in their 70s.
#DeleteChrome
There's nothing wrong with wanting a world where people are nice to each other, it's another thing to try and use force to achieve that and also frame anyone who opposes such a move as "wanting people to not be nice to each other".
You didn't see ADA and OSI TP4 take off? Dude, where have you been? We totally all use DECNet PhaseV, now. I'm joking, of course (you have to say this on /.). You should check out this old page old ADA discussion. It's right in the same vein and fleshes out the reasons why committees almost always design pretty crappy technology even after better alternatives dominate. Remember the retards in the late 1990s who wanted to make OSI network stacks replace IPv4? They were such passionate handwaving assholes who just couldn't understand why the world didn't want to be told how to do technology by some group of passionate handwaving assholes. The more things change, the more they just fucking don't.
They are learning at the PHP school of technology while taking a second major in Social Justice from UC Santa Barbara.
Groovy as script is the rival of (J)Python, (J)Ruby, PHP and JavaScript together.
And with the care of brackets, it does not need the peril of the mistaken whitespaces/tab.
n/t
A world in which the far left's thought police watch everything we say and issue punishments? That's "being nice to each other"? I cannot understand why anyone would be on the SJW side. Even if you're far left. They'll attack you, too. Just ask Jamie Kilstein, who was so far left that he didn't just participate in SJW mobs, he led SJW mobs. Until the day the mobs turned on him.
SJWs are a community that shares both an ideology of complete dissatisfaction with existing society due to its perceived "oppressive" nature and a desire to destroy that society because it's not perfect and SJWs consider it irredeemably depraved. I really think we're not bad and to destroy us would be a great crime, but keep cheering the SJWs because they're going to make us all nice.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Well written excellent points. Bravo.
suggesting that a world where we are nice to each other is more pleasurable to live in than a world where we are not. It's a revolutionary idea
Well you cretin, *I* don't like it. If you fucking believe that I've been rude to you, then you're completely mistaken -- I haven't.
If I'm trying to be rude to you, you'll have absolutely no mistake about it.
And even then, you can't be nice all of the time. And some events call for NOT being nice, or even mean, or even hateful.
Besides, the current state of things seems like people aren't EVER allowed to grow from who they used to be. If you even said One Naughty Thing about someone once, you must then think that way forever -- even though you're a wise, worldly EIGHT at the time. Far be it you might change your mind about things as you grow 25% older, say to ten. Never mind puberty. Or getting a job where they give a paycheck and expect slightly more than breathing.
If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
Delete all Python code repositories and start a new version.
Errrr no, just delete it all.
8 spaces? BURN THE HERETIC!
Wellll...... The problem here is that the language designer is retiring. Who do you trust to replace him?
OTOH, Python *is* Free Software, so if anyone thinks he can do a better job, he can just fork it. I think we'll have a bit of a wait before that happens, though.
And if you don't think that C has a standards committee that oversees language changes, you need to do a bit of research.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Why are social just-us nazis always the LEAST NICE people in the room?
Or alternatively, this is the first step down the road to having a process which enables decisions to be made about what new features to be bought into python, following the departure of the original language developer from that role.
Because languages designed by committees and "steering councils" are so popular compared to the works of focused individuals. Oh, wait, they aren't...
*cough*C++*cough* https://isocpp.org/std/the-committee *cough*
I mean, it's only been commitee-designed for 20 years now, so you might have not noticed that Bjarne Stroustrup is no longer in charge.
It's also possible that SJW have managed to introduce their poison, by suggesting that a world where we are nice to each other
If they wanted to suggest that, the various CoC efforts wouldn't argue against egalitarianism. The fact that egalitarians don't want anything to do with feminists and feminists don't want to be egalitarians tells you everything you need to know.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
I said "popular", not "pervasive"
Ezekiel 23:20
....a standard committee that rides the coattails of Messrs K&R?
Ezekiel 23:20
I see the irony was lost on you.
At this point SJWs are a conspiracy theory. A few isolated events used to construct an imaginary, existential threat. Remember when Debian was doomed because it adopted a CoC? And then Linux, and now Python? Sleeper cells I guess, laying CoC caches in preparation for the great purge. Linus is now a double agent.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I cannot understand why anyone would be on the SJW side.
Well indeed. That's because the "SJW" side is something that exists in the head of you, Mashiki, lgw and a few other assortd individuals. Even you lot can't agree between yourselves precisely what an SJW is except to acknowledge that they're really really bad.
Like really bad.
The reason that you can't understand why anyone would want to be on the side of an extreme straw man that exists only in fevered imaginations should be obvious: no one does. Your fantasies are not reality.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
The audience of any professional software development is the next programmer to work on it, the principle of least surprise is the cornerstone of a good App, something the Python community snort at, it is opaque and tricky by design, because they think it gives them job security, it doesn't. The number of Python projects being replaced by Groovy and Java in the UK is pretty staggering, Groovy give all the advantages of Python, with a consistent mental model for the Java doing the heavy lifting.
It's also possible that SJW have managed to introduce their poison, by suggesting that a world where we are nice to each other is more pleasurable to live in than a world where we are not. It's a revolutionary idea and I understand why it has caused such a strong reaction.
Yeah ... we're against people just being nice to each other. That's it! But you're on to us, thank goodness.
A world in which the far left's thought police watch everything we say and issue punishments? That's "being nice to each other"? I cannot understand why anyone would be on the SJW side. Even if you're far left. They'll attack you, too. Just ask Jamie Kilstein, who was so far left that he didn't just participate in SJW mobs, he led SJW mobs. Until the day the mobs turned on him.
Well, to be fair, they're very nice to you as long as you simply comply with about 50,000 rules that are changing daily. (Obama's 2012 position on marriage is HATEFUL!!!!)
Oh, and as long as you always say everything "correctly". Which, to be able to do, see above about the 50,000 rules that are changing daily.
"SJW" is deprecated. The new term is "social just-us nazi".
> Well you cretin, *I* don't like it. If you fucking believe that I've been rude to you, then you're completely mistaken -- I haven't.
> If I'm trying to be rude to you, you'll have absolutely no mistake about it.
The funny thing is that you think that, by being rude to me, you are making your point stronger. I don't think you are although I am not sure, because you are too busy using offensive terminology to actually have much of a point. In the end, though, I think you demonstrate my point; there are plenty of people on the internet happy to use aggressive, rude trolling, for no particular reason at all.
> And some events call for NOT being nice, or even mean, or even hateful.
Apparently, my post was one of them. If mild irony is enough to merit your mean and hateful post, then pretty much anything is.