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JD.com's Billionaire CEO Will Not Be Charged With Sexual Assault (bbc.com)

In September, JD.com's billionaire founder, Richard Liu, was accused of rape nearly four months ago by a young Chinese student at the University of Minnesota. He was reportedly in Minneapolis for his studies since he is a doctoral student at the university. According to The New York Times, "the Hennepin County attorney's office said that it did not find enough evidence to pursue a sexual assault case against Mr. Liu (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source)." From the report: The office of the Hennepin County Attorney said that it did not find enough evidence to pursue a case against Mr. Liu, a 45-year-old internet tycoon who was arrested by Minneapolis police in the early morning of Sept. 1 but was released within hours and allowed to return to China. The decision could bring Mr. Liu, who founded and leads the e-commerce behemoth JD.com, back to a more visible role at the company. JD.com's stock has slumped since the accusations were revealed, and Mr. Liu, whose Chinese name is Liu Qiangdong, has skipped several public engagements.

62 comments

  1. Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rich person never guilty.

    1. Re:Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rich person never guilty.

      OK, so come up with a realistic solution to that.

    2. Re: Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do you really want to live in a society where an accusation with no evidence is guilt? Forget about individuals or politics, you may have a son in the same situation some day.
      I also have a daughter and do not want her at risk of rape. I am not familiar with the specifics of this story, but I believe presumption of innocence is by far the best system.

    3. Re:Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kill all rich people

    4. Re:Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww, can't get a payout by accusing random people, how sad.

    5. Re:Rich person not guilty by gweihir · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Rich person also target and sometimes really not guilty.

      Things get very murky when a lot of money is involved.

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    6. Re: Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ur obviously not in 'merka. i envy your country.

    7. Re: Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mistake the problem. Even when the evidence exists, the justice is lacking. Probation. A slap on the wrist.

      Meanwhile, massive punishment for certain presumed offenders.

    8. Re: Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said realistic.
      When you kill one rich, you creates 2mire rich ( their kids)

    9. Re: Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not doubt that people are railroaded every day. Taking away the presumption of innocence will make things worse.

    10. Re: Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're still confused, as again, the issue is with situations where even with evidence, the punishment is lacking. Like I said, a slap on the wrist.

      And then, of course, we do have the victims of police brutality and bias, who don't get railroaded, they get shot. And mysteriously, the people who don't care about that, are all aghast that sexual predators are getting persecuted.

    11. Re: Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shovel ready jobs.

    12. Re: Rich person not guilty by _merlin · · Score: 2

      The thing is, if he was poor he wouldn't have been able to post bail, wouldn't have been allowed to return to China, and would have been bullied into a plea bargain. The US legal system (calling it a "justice system" feels like a bad joke) is stacked in favour of people with money.

    13. Re: Rich person not guilty by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Do you really want to live in a society where an accusation with no evidence is guilt?

      That depends. Can we determine guilt through combat instead of evidence? If so, I'm in.

      It might be worth it if we get some Colosseums out of the deal.

    14. Re: Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, except that that no longer exists in the U.S.
      The concept of "probable cause" has been stretched beyond constitutional limits,
      and the government no longer has to provide the sworn affidavit to the accused.
      Yes, there are cases like that in the U.S.

      CAP === 'obviates'

    15. Re: Rich person not guilty by houghi · · Score: 1

      As the US gives put names of people who are acused, the stick prices went down. This coyld be a nuce way to make sime money.

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    16. Re: Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In most of Europe if accused of sexual harassment it falls to you to prove your innocence. Europeans are fine with that.

    17. Re: Rich person not guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like those cases where a woman falsely accuses someone of rape and don't get prosecuted for perjury.

  2. Archie Bunker, not Plato. Derp ancient fossil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " but was released within hours and allowed to return to China." - You better run, rapist. You don't have the full backing of the GOP for your crimes, tsk.

  3. Evidence? by Calydor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Since when do we need EVIDENCE for rape accusations? Burn him at the stake and end his career!

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    1. Re:Evidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly right, this proves no collusion! TOTALLY CLEARED! /s

    2. Re: Evidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, Michael Byron Nifong was disbarred over the Duke Lacrosse case.

    3. Re:Evidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a rapist. Enjoy trying clear your life of these accusations...

    4. Re:Evidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I raped your brain with logic, I admit it. And I'll do it again! Secretly you want it, otherwise you wouldn't act like you wanted to be grabbed by your pussy.

    5. Re:Evidence? by Can'tNot · · Score: 1

      Accusations never require evidence. Prosecution should require evidence, and... that's what happened. No evidence, so the prosecution dropped the case.

      I don't see the problem here.

    6. Re:Evidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And even if there is evidence, why should that stop him becoming a supreme court justice?

    7. Re:Evidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The claim didn't result in a false report conviction or frivolous prosecution, so you didn't prove "no" evidence. There was "some" evidence that did not meet the threshold.

    8. Re:Evidence? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      It entirely depends what you mean by "evidence"...

      I had no evidence of my abuse at the hands of a family friend in the 1980s.

      Neither did any of his other victims.

      But together, as 12 independent victims, the case against him was enough to convict him on most of the charges and have him sentenced to a lengthy stay at Her Majesties Pleasure.

      More of his victims are still coming out of the woodwork, so his stay is likely to be extended for the foreseeable future.

    9. Re:Evidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is exactly how the Salem witch trials worked. No evidence, but enough colluding little girls get together and they chose who burned on a whim.

    10. Re:Evidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "independent" != "colluding"

    11. Re:Evidence? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      #believeallwomen

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    12. Re:Evidence? by Can'tNot · · Score: 1

      Huh. How does that work? If he was accused of 12 different crimes, but none of those crimes independently had enough evidence for conviction, then which was he convicted for?

      Did they just pick one, and say, "This is the one that he's guilty of."?

  4. Whay is this even news? by Dusanyu · · Score: 1

    Someone was not charged due to a lack of any proof to support a accusation. the headline should read "the system works"

    1. Re:Whay is this even news? by Frobnicator · · Score: 1

      That's a thing many people don't get. "No charges filed" is exactly how the system is supposed to work.

      When it is he said / she said, or also in cases of male rape of he said / she said, it usually their word alone isn't enough to file charges. Even after a rape kit and when there is evidence of sex, that does not mean there is enough evidence for a conviction or even to file charges.

      Unless there was a high level of violence and fighting back there tends to not be enough evidence to convict. There is a certain level that must be reached to convince the court, and usually it isn't met. Sex happened can be countered with "the other person consented at the time, this is regret not a criminal act."

      But it is still critically important that reports are made, because as more reports come in, when it reaches he said / she said / she said / she said, it reaches enough evidence to convince a judge and jury. Don't remain silent if you are a victim. But also don't expect a conviction without strong evidence.

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    2. Re:Whay is this even news? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Claimant wins millions in civil suit, that is how the system actually works, let's be honest. The bigger your wallet, the more you should keep your genitals in your own pants, just the way it is.

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    3. Re:Whay is this even news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't want to keep a chaperone/security guard around you all the time, make sure to record all your sex sessions, with 3rd party guaranteed and timestamped, but encrypted audio recordings going 24/7 around you. For as many actual rape instances, there seems to be equally many vindictive jilted lovers making false claims.

      It's one thing to come up with evidence of a 'stranger in the park' rape than the date rape issues where both people are already in private, and sometimes already naked when someones decides to take it further or changes their mind.

    4. Re:Whay is this even news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is inadequate. I know this from experience. I was questioned once in an alleged rape case. All I was able to say was that yes, I was in the building at the time and place this occurred, and she wasn't. I've never seen her before in my life. Turned out her story was a complete fabrication, and I just happened to be in the time and place she used as the setting for her story.

    5. Re: Whay is this even news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pernicious, anti-humane fiction of "date rape" was invented in the 1980s by extremist nazi judicial activists.

    6. Re:Whay is this even news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And did the woman who fabricated the story get sent to jail for perjury, or did she walk away because the courts ruled she was "just confused"?

      CAPTCHA: falsity

  5. Let's not pretend we don't make exceptions by rmdingler · · Score: 2

    On June 18, (1998) Richard Liu committed RMB12,000 of his savings to lease a four-square-meter retail unit in Beijing’s technology hub of Zhongguancun. Here he established JD Multimedia, the business that would eventually become JD.com.

    In March, (2013) JD formed a strategic partnership with Tencent, giving JD exclusive access to Tencent’s WeChat and Mobile QQ platforms.

    Four square meters of rented space to billionaire. China's like America in the 1800's.

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    1. Re:Let's not pretend we don't make exceptions by pipedwho · · Score: 0

      He was just a random guy who rented a tiny little retail space. Then somehow managed to wheel and deal over the last 20 years his way to billionaire status. He wasn't a billionaire when he rented that little space.

    2. Re:Let's not pretend we don't make exceptions by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You're repeating what you replied to.

  6. Re:As the Archie Bunker character once put it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how about if there is not enough evidence. maybe, just maybe no crime was commited.

  7. Re:As the Archie Bunker character once put it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you hate women you misogynist!?

  8. Re:As the Archie Bunker character once put it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe! But that's not proven by the lack of sufficient evidence to prosecute, except rhetorically. What actually happened is not often determined beyond a reasonable doubt. Innocence is not determined by legal action except rhetorically.

  9. Re:As the Archie Bunker character once put it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Was he proven guilty in a court of law?

  10. Re:As the Archie Bunker character once put it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Presumed innocent" = rhetorically, I said that. He's not PROVEN innocent however he is considered now. Were you born unable to form granular thoughts? Good luck in law.

    He could be charged at any time due to new evidence, or a civil case could present evidence at a lower threshold and "prove" that to a jury. Innocence and guilt, empirically? It's more complicated isn't it.

  11. but he was found guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of having a small cock. The average chinese man has a 8cm cock. That's about 3". Not a choad either. Think: golf pencil. I mean, he's got billions of dollars or whatever but he has to sit to piss.

    1. Re:but he was found guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People with big cocks don't care what other people's dick size is. So by extension you must have a tiny donger and assume it's funny to throw up a random attempt at insulting someone. In reality, it doesn't even matter how big your schlong is when you can't even get it hard, because you sit posting shit on Slashdot all day. This guy clearly had a big enough wang to leave some 'evidence' behind, even though that sort evidence isn't proof of intent or an action against someones will. I'm guessing you're just jealous that you don't get more meat inserted in your back side hole.

  12. A distinction that I think matters semantically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree, we can't take away actual legal presumption of innocence, yet we ought modify how the general public takes that rhetorically and runs. The accused are not PROVEN innocent until PROVEN guilty, just CONSIDERED so.

    Or my name is Bill Cosby.

    There is a protection against double jeopardy (although fed and state are independent legally.., must mention) so to say someone is PROVEN innocent is possible, they have to survive being charged + win at trial.

    You would be surprised if you knew how actually DIFFICULT it is to prove someone guilty of a crime in the real world, assuming no smoking video gun or tapes or something. I myself have acquitted 3.
    Of those I am sure 1 was guilty of "something" but it simply wasn't provable given the evidence and the law. So he walks free to this day, that's our system and I am ambivalent but supportive of that facet.

    We did not arrive at empirical innocence or guilt, only as-presented and as-agreed by 15 strangers under a very specific set of (bullshit mostly) criteria. If I had a better system no doubt I'd be screaming about it.

  13. Re: Guilt/innocence is unestablished except rhetor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark Zuckerberg, Sundar Pichai, Kamala Harris, and Hillary Clinton will be sharing a cell in the gulag soon. Yay gulag!!!1!

  14. Re: Feet don't fail me now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hysterical Democrat gulag enthusiasts sure do love false accusations of rape.

  15. fake rape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ALL "date rape" is FAKE rape.

  16. Re:Guilt/innocence is unestablished except rhetori by scrout · · Score: 0

    "See : Donald Trump, as yet unindicted co-conspirator (under sealed Grand Jury indictment)" You are mistaking politics for something else happening here. Nice try though.

  17. there was evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, but there was evidence.

    Key pieces of evidence:
    1. Her accusation.
    2. His denial.
    3. Body cam footage/audio from responding police.
    4. Statements of witnesses.

    Based on all that evidence, the prosecutors decided that there was inadequate evidence to prosecute. Another way to put it would be that enough of the evidence was exculpatory that a conviction would be highly unlikely, in their opinion.

  18. Re:Guilt/innocence is unestablished except rhetori by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By that logic, since there is not enough evidence to prosecute you, then legally speaking you aren't not guilty of raping me. But something tells me you feel differently when the shoe is on the other foot.

  19. Wrong issue by dave-man · · Score: 1

    The important progress here is that law enforcement was called in. I'm tired--very tired--of colleges and universities, companies, football teams, and other private entities making a big deal out of internal investigations. Wrong. If there is a an allegation that is exactly what the justice system is for.

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