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Scientists Find a Brain Circuit That Could Explain Seasonal Depression (npr.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from NPR: Just in time for the winter solstice, scientists may have figured out how short days can lead to dark moods. Two recent studies suggest the culprit is a brain circuit that connects special light-sensing cells in the retina with brain areas that affect whether you are happy or sad. When these cells detect shorter days, they appear to use this pathway to send signals to the brain that can make a person feel glum or even depressed. The research effort began in the early 2000s, when [Samer Hattar, an author of the mouse study and chief of the section on light and circadian rhythms at the National Institute of Mental Health] and David Berson, a professor of neuroscience at Brown University, were studying cells in the retina. At the time, most scientists thought that when light struck the retina, only two kinds of cells responded: rods and cones. But Hattar and Berson thought there were other light-sensitive cells that hadn't been identified. The skeptics stopped laughing when the team discovered a third kind of photoreceptor that contained a light-sensitive substance called melanopsin not found in rods and cones. These receptors responded to light but weren't part of the visual system.

[Jerome Sanes, a professor at neuroscience at Brown University, and his team] team put young adults in an MRI machine and measured their brain activity as they were exposed to different levels of light. This allowed the team to identify brain areas that seemed to be receiving signals from the photoreceptors Hattar and Berson had discovered. Two of these areas were in the front of the brain. "It's interesting because these areas seem to be the areas that have been shown in many studies to be involved in depression and other affective disorders," Sanes says. The areas also appeared to be part of the same circuit found in mice. The finding needs to be confirmed. But Hattar is pretty confident that this circuit explains the link between light exposure and mood.

43 comments

  1. I'm not a bearologist but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    maybe a holdover from mammalian hibernation instincts?

    1. Re: I'm not a bearologist but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aluminum poisoning. Happens to the best of us

  2. Re: Important finding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes they tend to eventually find a field of study that fits them perfectly and stay right there. Very rewarding, you should try it

  3. Melanopsin by xluap · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The emerging roles of melanopsin in behavioral adaptation to light:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1. Re: Melanopsin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on it is 2019 and we are talking about seasonal depression? That is so 1999

  4. Because it's that simple by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

    A guy goes into a building every day at lunchtime and eats a sandwich, then leaves. One day there is a murder in the building. Obviously the guy is responsible...

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    1. Re:Because it's that simple by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I got it, he jumped from the building roof and the ground floor is wider than the top floor, you know the skylight entrance. Suicide can be called murdering yourself.

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  5. Re: Important finding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly! Once that government grant gravy train gets rolling, why take risks? Just put your name on whatever incremental little bullshit your grad students come up with and apply for more funding! Yeah baby, now that's what I call SCIENCE!

  6. Maybe it's just natural by melted · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As an animal you're not going to do yourself much good if you burn up a ton of energy or procreate while going into the winter. So it would make evolutionary sense to have a mild seasonal depression: you should just want to hole up somewhere and not do much until conditions improve.

    1. Re:Maybe it's just natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      while (get_light_sensor_level() < DO_IT_WITH_ENOUGH_LIGHT_LEVEL) {
                        sleep();
      }

      DO_IT();

      Yeah, seems about right...... Damn that interrupt.....

    2. Re:Maybe it's just natural by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Makes a lot of sense to me. Running around in the cold when there is not much to gather or hunt is probably a really bad idea.

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    3. Re:Maybe it's just natural by epine · · Score: 1

      So it would make evolutionary sense to have a mild seasonal depression: you should just want to hole up somewhere and not do much until conditions improve.

      That was before the invention of razor blades, gelatin capsules, and handguns.

      Turns out humans don't have an incredible fear of heights merely because it's dangerous to fall. Our fear of heights was multiplied by having to offset this sluggish, seasonal brick, gratuitously loaded on top of other oppressive psychological burdens by a corner-cutting mother nature.

      It does not make sense to drag affect down into the mud to cope with the seasonal management of stored energy in any primate which advances much past hurtling rocks, nor in any small, songless songbird who can manage to convince his or her delicate sense of self-preservation that some shiny, spotless wall of glass simply isn't there.

      Perhaps it looked like a good evolutionary idea at the time, but it sure hasn't held up to the test of time.

    4. Re:Maybe it's just natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not so much for procreation: lots of fall births fit timing of conception in the winter, especially during snow/ice storms that trap couples at home for some time ;-}

      RO

    5. Re:Maybe it's just natural by yes-but-no · · Score: 1

      When other animals are not venturing out due to unfavorable weather, you being extra high/jubilant, has better chance of spreading your genes. This is the counter argument had things observed is opposite.
      logic is a whore, I read somewhere. You can always explain why it is xyz and also why is not xyz.

    6. Re:Maybe it's just natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You lost me at songless songbird.

      I'd suggest stepping away from the razors and guns and sitting under a sunlamp until your posts can hold up to a test of turing.

  7. That's why by sjames · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's why we have traditions of bringing a tree inside and lighting it brightly.

    1. Re:That's why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because we decorate and display the fallen corpses of our mortal enemies, the trees! NEVER FORGET!

    2. Re:That's why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trumptard capitalist. Go fuck yourself.

  8. question from left field . by swell · · Score: 1

    I can post this question because my teacher told me "There are no dumb questions."
    So, uh, how does depression enhance our survival probability?

    Sometimes it's difficult to know how inherited traits were selected for over the millennia of human development. Generally, a persistent trait can be shown to benefit those who exhibit it. I have to question the conjecture that we have evolved sensors that serve only to make us depressed.

    So, while these scientists are looking through their microscopes for answers, they might do well to step back a bit for a broader perspective. Does their theory make sense? Could there be alternate reasons for the existence of these sensors?

    In any case, it has long been known that there are photoreceptors in nature other than rods & cones.

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    1. Re:question from left field . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So, uh, how does depression enhance our survival probability?

      Consider that sleep evolved. How does sleeping for a third of a day, in an entirely defensely state, enhance our survival probability, or increase our chances of successful procreation? I suggest depression could have evolved the same way. Sometimes, doing nothing increases survival ability. The depressed are anything but industrious.

    2. Re:question from left field . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Generally, a persistent trait can be shown to benefit those who exhibit it.

      No, that's a misunderstanding. Neutral traits can become dominant in a population, see genetic drift.

    3. Re: question from left field . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the case of seasonal depression, being less active during harsh (winter) conditions would seem to have obvious survival benefits.

    4. Re:question from left field . by dissy · · Score: 2

      Sometimes it's difficult to know how inherited traits were selected for over the millennia of human development. Generally, a persistent trait can be shown to benefit those who exhibit it. I have to question the conjecture that we have evolved sensors that serve only to make us depressed.

      Pretty sure it's the other way around.

      The sensors are for light and likely trigger pleasure sensations to encourage you to get out and be active and productive while there is more daylight to do it in.
      Survival wise it used to be best to be active outdoors when it was light out, since in the dark you have a higher chance of getting eaten or seriously hurt.

      Once those pleasure sensations stop, the lack of them feels like a greater difference than from a neutral level.
      Probably similar in a general sense to how druggies that spend long times pumped up end up having a much harder crash, or how people on pain killers for extended periods experience severe pains when they suddenly stop taking them.

      If it was actual depression that evolved, this pathway would fire in the brain when sensing darkness, but the MRI results showed it fired in response to light.

    5. Re:question from left field . by psychic_bacon · · Score: 1

      I don't know the answer to this because every evolutionary theory is some degree of speculation. Sleep is probably the biggest one, but here are two ideas: (great book is "Why We Sleep", by Walker)

      1. REM and NREM sleep have brain adaptive purposes that could not have been fulfilled any other way. Terrestrial mammals all show REM sleep (almost all, at least), whereas some aquatic mammals don't have REM sleep. We don't know what REM sleep is for but we know we need it, and being deprived of REM sleep causes organisms to make up the deficit. Interestingly, seals will show high levels of REM sleep when on land but almost no REM sleep when in the water.

      2. Sleep conserves energy and that conservation is important for survival. Predators sleep more than prey, partly because they have less to fear and partly because they don't need to eat as frequently. It takes more immediate energy to hunt down a gazelle than to graze.

    6. Re:question from left field . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's really not true, humans could do like dolphins and many aquatic mammals do and sleep with part of the brain at a time. Doing so isn't particularly necessary humans and apes that live in groups where each individual doesn't need to be awake constantly for fear of being eaten.

      Humans dealt with that possibility by having our circadian rhythms vary a bit from person to person so that there's somebody who wants to be awake any any given time of the day or night with most people wanting to be awake between the hours of 8am and 8pm or thereabouts.

      But, even in humans, there are some of us that sleep more like dolphins do. We tend to use the term "parasomnia" to refer to the phenomenon. Probably the ones that we most commonly hear about are sleepwalking and sleeptalking. But, virtually anything that a person can do while awake can be done while asleep.

      For many years I was convinced that it was taking at least 3 hours for me to fall asleep because that's how long it would take for my brain to stop thinking. Eventually, I bought a device that could read my brainwaves to determine whether I was awake, or in which state of sleep I was in. It turns out, that I was asleep for all but the first half hour or so, it's just that I didn't stop thinking until I had been asleep for quite some time.

      This is something that shows up routinely in a small portion of the population, but since it neither helps nor hinders reproduction, it's likely to remain in roughly the same portion of the population forever.

  9. Screen time by JThundley · · Score: 2

    So maybe all our excessive screen time isn't so bad after all? As long as we're not showing social media on them...

    1. Re:Screen time by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2

      Your screen is spectrally deficient.

        This effect is not new nor a new discovery, it is very well-known and the cure is regular exposure to full-spectrum light. This is very deeply rooted in the limbic system and evolutionary history, essentially, since there were parietal eyes.

    2. Re:Screen time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're on the spectrum alright Brett Buckfutt

    3. Re:Screen time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In addition to what Brett Buck said about the screen having only some of the spectrum, there are other issues. For example, modern computers stimulate the brain's reward system which can lead to depression on it's own. It also tends to encourage multitasking which tires the brain out and even under the best of circumstances these screens prevent you from engaging in exercise that's even more beneficial.

      But, the other bit is that not only is the light coming off of a monitor missing portions of the spectrum, it's also not anywhere near as bright as sunlight is. So, it might fuck your sleep, but it isn't bright enough to properly reset your circadian rhythm and computers don't have a spectrum shift without specifically setting it up.

  10. How geocentric of you all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of us are you summer you insensitive clods!

    1. Re:How geocentric of you all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weeeell, your depressions is caused by different situation, namely oppressive governments. Sorry about that.

  11. Circuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why do they keep calling neural pathways circuits? Where's the backchannel? It seems to be one way.

    1. Re: Circuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pedant is pedantic, but that is also what makes them a pedant. See? It eventually looped back, hence, a circuit.

  12. didnt scientist say SAD didnt exist? by afaiktoit · · Score: 1

    pretty sure I read some news that said they did an analysis of yada yada and decided there was no such thing as seasonal affective disorder. googled it... https://www.scientificamerican...

    1. Re:didnt scientist say SAD didnt exist? by mentil · · Score: 1

      According to your link, a phone survey found that winter depression doesn't seem to be a thing, although it's possible that SAD is some other type of mood disorder; or it's just very rare.

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    2. Re:didnt scientist say SAD didnt exist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pretty sure I read some news that said they did an analysis of yada yada and decided there was no such thing as seasonal affective disorder.

      The article you linked to seems to back up the article here fairly well.

      "seasonal affective disorder" (aka three seperate words to describe a thing) may not exist, but "Seasonal Affective Disorder" (aka a proper name) seems to be real and much further in understanding it.

      In other words, the effect given that name is real and multiple medical studies are showing evidence for this.
      But that effect very well may not be related to being "seasonal" at all.

      But the thing about names is, once given and used, will be an uphill if not impossible battle for you to win.
      It would probably be best if you use the abbreviation instead, and just pretend the "S" stands for SAD like one of those recursive abbreviation.

      Otherwise people are going to think you are actually claiming the effect with that name doesn't exist despite it being medically proven to exist, shown at least one pathway that causes it, and has further evidence that pathway can be manipulated to alleviate the symptoms.

    3. Re:didnt scientist say SAD didnt exist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And just how many people did they call in the Pacific Northwest and the New England states. Talking to people in the Southeast and Southwest have no clue about it. Go ask the question in areas where you get 90+ days in a row where there is no direct sunshine.

      Phone survey, what a crock of shit. The same guys who proclaimed that Hillary was going to win "bigly". Bad survey techniques lead to bad predictions. I still have a land line and I get a lot of spam calls from "survey" groups. I can block these asshats on my phone, but I can not on my land line. (I keep my land line so I can talk to people when the power is out, which happens two or three times a year out here for days at a time - Kills the cell towers too.)

  13. Even if the study results matched the headline ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    ... they did an analysis of yada yada and decided there was no such thing as seasonal affective disorder. googled it... https://www.scientificamerican...

    With headline: "Study Finds "Seasonal Affective Disorder" Doesn't Exist"

    Science is about getting closer to the truth by replacing less-accurate, inaccurate, and just plain wrong ideas with ones that are more accurate.

    ANY study is subject to being found to be wrong or not-so-hot and its conclusions replaced by better ones.

    Even if all the studies were performed perfectly and their data showed very strong support of the conclusions, some fraction would be wrong just because of data "noise".

    There is NO "settled science". Just conclusions and models that have held up REALLY well - so far.

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  14. There's ways... by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    To feel better :)

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    1. Re: There's ways... by kiki100 · · Score: 1

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  15. Scientist finds a Brain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And becomes depressed!

  16. Re: Important finding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, it's more the fault of the funding agencies. It's easy to get a grant to continue researching something you've been doing successfully. It's hard to get a grant to do something entirely new. If the researcher applies for two grants, one on a new topic and one on an old one, and get the latter grant, then what should they do? Should they do the research that the government explicitly wants to fund, or quit their job and do something else? If you want more risk-taking, then attack the research councils for how they give out grants, don't attack the scientists that are bound by the system.