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50 Years Ago Today, Apollo 8 Changed Humanity's Vision of Earth Forever (theguardian.com)

No one told them to look for the Earth. It was Christmas Eve 1968 and the first manned mission to the moon had reached its destination. As Apollo 8 slipped into lunar orbit the crew prepared to read passages of Genesis for a TV broadcast to the world. But as the command module came around on its fourth lap, there it was visible through the window -- a bright blue and white bauble suspended in the black above the relentless grey of the moon. The Guardian: Before that moment 50 years ago, no one had seen an earthrise. The sight sent Bill Anders, the mission photographer, scrambling for his camera. He slapped a 70mm colour roll into the Hasselblad, set the focus to infinity, and started shooting though the telephoto lens. What he captured became one of the most influential images in history. A driving force of the environmental movement, the picture, which became known as Earthrise, showed the world as a singular, fragile, oasis.

On previous laps Anders had snapped the far side of the moon for the geologists and the near side of it for Apollo's landing site planners. "It didn't take long for the moon to become boring. It was like dirty beach sand," Anders told the Guardian. "Then we suddenly saw this object called Earth. It was the only colour in the universe." Apollo 8 launched from the Kennedy Space Centre in Florida on 21 December 1968. The enormous Saturn V rocket, more than 110 metres tall, had flown only twice before and never with a crew. But on that day the rocket performed. Tucked inside the command module, Anders, Frank Borman and James Lovell looped the planet twice before the third stage blasted them onwards to the moon. They arrived nearly three days later, completed 10 lunar orbits, and headed home for a splashdown in the north Pacific.

Earthrise did not have an immediate impact. Its philosophical significance sunk in over years, after Nasa put it on a stamp, and Time and Life magazine highlighted it as an era-defining image. "It gained this iconic status," Anders said. "People realised that we lived on this fragile planet and that we needed to take care of it." The shot did more than boost the environmental movement. Even Anders, who calls himself "an arch cold war warrior," felt it held a message for humanity. "This is the only home we have and yet we're busy shooting at each other, threatening nuclear war, and wearing suicide vests," he said. "It amazes me."
Further reading: Wired.

92 comments

  1. In before by Dunbal · · Score: 0

    all the retards claiming the picture is fake because "you can't see any stars in the background"...

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    1. Re:In before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Our President stares directly into the sun during an eclipse. I don't think you're going to preempt all the retards in this country somehow.

    2. Re:In before by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0, Troll

      No it's a real picture! And look at the Earth - it PROVES the Earth is flat and has a circular profile! See? The flat Earth people were right all along!

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    3. Re:In before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing you can say is dumber than your defense of Trump, no matter how hard you try to out-absurd yourself. Star wars prequels, whatever it is. Nothing compares to your willing treason.

    4. Re:In before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah because the President of the free world happening to have colluded with a Russian dictator to defraud our vote doesn't matter, money laundering for the mob doesn't matter, these are TV sitcom level concerns to you. Traitor.

    5. Re:In before by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Our President stares directly into the sun during an eclipse.

      If it affected him, nobody would probably notice any difference.

    6. Re:In before by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "President of the Free World', my ASS. He's the Village Idiot, who somehow managed to get elected. He's just a seat-warmer for the next actual POTUS. In the meantime we seem to be powerless to prevent him from completely ruining everything he touches. One can hope he comes down with glioblastoma and has to be removed, or in one of his frequent hissy-fit temper-tantrums, has a stroke and drops dead.

    7. Re:In before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what does "President of the free world" actually mean?

      Here (canada) we are also "free" but we dont have "presidents".. So what is the "President of the free world"?
      Since most of the world has its own elections, and didnt vote for any one person, how do you get that title?

        Is this like when you were a small kid and use to brag you were the "fastesst in the block", so the next kid says he's the fastest in the city, etc?

    8. Re:In before by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      He's just a seat-warmer for the next actual POTUS.

      That's what I'm worried about. Imagine if the next Koch stooge is actually competent.

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    9. Re: In before by phantomfive · · Score: 0, Troll

      The way things are going (growing economy, no new wars), he may also be the next president. Unless the Democratic part can get a very electable candidate (and I have no idea what that would look like because I didn't think Trump would be electable. It has to be someone who seems cool though, like Obama, not someone who comes across as a whiner).

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    10. Re: In before by orlanz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Obama? The guy who:

      - moved the Healthcare topic that's been neglected by Congress for over 50 years? That cut the uninsured in half, insuring over 20 million people who couldn't afford healthcare.

      And to just drill in how difficult of a topic it still is and how much Obama accomplished; the Republicans with 6 years of majority, 2 years of full control; couldn't even "fix" nor "improve" on it. They couldn't even bring their ideas to vote. This is despite 8 years of whining, promising, and wasting tax payer monies on BS "intent" votes on repeal! Despite this topic being their over arching promise to their voters.

      - caught & killed Osama Bin Ladin. The guy who executed the biggest attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor, which was over 70 years ago. We invaded how many countries trying to catch this guy?

      - oh and got us out of the Great Recession; the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression from 80 years ago.

      So we only need someone like Obama to solve the really big crises that happen about twice a century. For normal decade level problems any normal President should suffice. Unfortunately, we have Trump.

    11. Re:In before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS - look at the videos and listen to the Apollo 8 tapes.

      Another internet expert who does not know how to do simple research.
      We should have drowned all you fuckin millennials when you were first born.

    12. Re: In before by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...growing economy
      Yeah sure he's FUCKING UP the economy with his bull-in-a-china-shop tarriffs and other stupid decisions, and trying to screw with the fed rather than let them do their job ergo worst DJI for xmas eve in the history of the DJI.
      ..no new wars
      Ill-advised (by every miltary adviser and diplomatic adviser there is) decision to pull out of Syria, making all our allies wonder what the fuck we're doing, making them question ever trusting the U.S. for anything, and very likely giving new life to ISIS/Daesh.

      Trump is ruining everything he touches. He needs to GO. ASAP.

      No wonder you're on my enemies list around here, you're clearly either a Trump supporter, utterly clueless, or both. Get lost, and please don't vote anymore.

    13. Re:In before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is why Slashdot is shutting down forever on December 31, 2018.

    14. Re: In before by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      No wonder you're on my enemies list around here,

      All my enemies are as pleasant as you, tbh. Probably as happy, too.

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    15. Re: In before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool like Beto! The man that will flood the US with disease and infested people from "shit-hole nations" leaving Americans to foot the bill. But by God, they'll vote Democrat once eligible to vote!!!

    16. Re: In before by raind · · Score: 1

      How bout Tom Hanks? We seem to elect actors anyway.

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    17. Re: In before by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Uninsured numbers weren't cut in half, and premiums increased at the same rate as prior to Obamacare.

      You also conveniently ignore that President Obama had complete control for a good chunk of the first two years of his Presidency (Chuck Schumer was Senate Leader, and Nancy Pelosi was Speaker).

      Despite being given $350 billion by President Bush (as then-President Elect Obama requested) to stimulate the economy, the economy was starting to slink back to recession when President Trump was elected, with GDP plunging back down. Thankfully that's been arrested, and interest rates (which were at 0% for most of the Obama Administration) have started to come back up (which will strengthen the economy long-term). All while racking up more debt than pretty much all previous Presidents combined. He even got Congress to amend President Bush's 2009 budget by adding another $900 billion to it - and his supporters love to pin that $900 billion back on President Bush (which is completely disingenuous).

      Now, you forgot things like his own self-described "worst mistake" of Libya, failures in Syria, drove world opinion of the USA down (thankfully it's rebounding back up), assassinated US citizens without due process, knowingly illegally selling guns to Mexican drug gangs (one of which was used to kill a US border patrol officer), and many, many more things which could be considered abject, Administration-destroying failures.

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    18. Re: In before by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      You've never done business in China, have you? There is zero concept of "win-win"; if there is a winner, there MUST be a loser. You negotiate for "win-win" and YOU are the loser. You might not like his "bull in a China shop" approach, but it works, because that is how business is done in China in the first place.

      And why is the Left suddenly full of hawks who want to deepen and increase wars? President Obama campaigned on ending Iraq and Afghanistan; instead of that, he involved us in numerous new wars. Do the Democrats now want to see us get deeper into military wars and conflicts around the world?

      And people forget that President Obama went through 3 Secretaries of Defense in just over 2000 days - the average being shorter than Secretary Mattis.

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    19. Re: In before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - Illegally murdered Osama Bin Ladin without trial by sending a death squad into an allied coutntry without permission.

      FTFY.

      Fucker needed to die, for-sure. But there should have been a trial. They could easily have brought him back without shooting him.

      Captcha: deprive

    20. Re: In before by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Good call, he could win easily.

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    21. Re: In before by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Let's get this straight right now, buddy: Are you actually saying that leaving Syria right now, when ISIS/Daesh senior command hasn't been tracked down and eliminated, is a good idea? Because if you are then you're sadly mistaken.

      Oh and comparing what happened with another POTUS in the past isn't carte blanche for this son of a bitch to do whatever he wants, so don't bother trotting that bullshit out to me again. Trump has turned the U.S. into a complete mockery of itself. You cannot refute this.

    22. Re: In before by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Leave Syria? Yes. Right now. And I don't think I'm sadly mistaken; Assad is a bastard, but he's not a bastard who targets destroying other countries. We're not at declared war with Syria - so let's get out. You want to stay? Fine - be the bloodthirsty hawk on this one...

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    23. Re: In before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh YEAH, and Trump simply is going to magically solve everything with its American Idiot Trademark Attitude, ideas, and actions.

      I wish Americans get what they deserve. Thanks Thor Trump is just helping to achieve that.

  2. #Me too. Greed is a shitty God. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This is the only home we have and yet we're busy shooting at each other, threatening nuclear war, and wearing suicide vests," he said. "It amazes me."

    Greed is the reason. Look for the apologists of endless greed and kill them.

  3. Praise the $Deity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On previous laps Anders had snapped the far side of the moon...

    They didn't write "...dark side..."

  4. Grass is Greener by vlad30 · · Score: 1
    The cow looked out over the fence and saw the grass looked greener so she hopped the fence and kept following the greener grass then she suddenly looked back and noticed her home had the greenest grass of all so she went back and decided she should take care of her home. Sometimes we are all like that cow and this image showed us that our home is already the greenest and maybe we should take care of it.

    Doesn't mean we shouldn't go out on an adventure to help appreciate what we have

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    1. Re:Grass is Greener by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vladimir Vladimirovich, is that you longing for the lost green grass of the Soviet Union on Slashdot, the ultimate green pasture of libertardians and Trumpers? Glad to finally meet you after all those years, in a Moon Hoax thread no less.

    2. Re:Grass is Greener by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      This version of "you are all cows, say moo" is too eloquent. Bring back the drunk immature cow troller. Change Bad.

    3. Re:Grass is Greener by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Yeah sure thing buddy. We'll just hang around here until we run out of resources and have to start eating ourselves. Great plan. We need to get the hell off this planet.

    4. Re:Grass is Greener by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Good luck with that. There are no habitable planets within reach.

    5. Re:Grass is Greener by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Good thing you're not making decisions for the rest of our species, then we'd for sure be doomed.

  5. Re:Why isn't it six times as large? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "gravity" that is "six times greater" is simply the acceleration at the Moon surface.

    Technically, g = G*M/(r^2)

    where g - "gravity"
    G - universal constant of gravitational interaction
    M - mass of the object
    r - module of the radius vector from the centre of mass to the place where you're measuring g

    M = rho*V = rho*4/3*pi*R^3
    R - radius of the object
    rho - average density

    Now, let's set R=r and see the full exppression
    g = 4/3 * pi * G * rho * R^3/ R^2 = k * rho * R

    where k = 4/3*pi*G for brevity.

    Now, 6 times = ge/gl = (k * rho_e * R_e) / (k * rho_l * R_l) = (rho_e/rho_l)*(R_e/R_l)

    That is, the "6 times" thing depends both radius and density, so there's totally no need for Earth to be "six times larger" for the surface acceleration due to gravity to be 6 times larger than that of the moon. It is necessary that average density times the radius is six times the same for the Moon.

    Checking if that's true is left as an exercise for the student.

  6. USPS issues stamps, not NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its philosophical significance sunk in over years, after Nasa put it on a stamp,

    1) It's spelled NASA, not Nasa
    2) The USPS issues stamps. They decide what goes on stamps. NASA or someone else might have suggested it, but ultimately it's the Post Office that decides.

  7. Lunar landings were faked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sincerely,

    Steph Curry

  8. Experiment in trollificationism by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    [morons] claiming the picture is fake because "you can't see any stars in the background"...

    Let's feed into their whacky conspiracies and see where it leads them all, just for the hell of it.

    "Hey, by golly, you're right, no stars! We've been duped! Go take those phonies on! Here's $10 for your cause..."

    The worst that can happen is enough of them believe it to vote a conspiracy nut into office. But since we already have one...

    1. Re:Experiment in trollificationism by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here's the trick to dealing with that Flat Earth crowd: learning to distinguish between the ones who go along with it because it's funny, and the ones who actually believe it. The former you just chuckle along with; the latter, you earmark as having failed the basic intelligence test, and treat them accordingly thereafter.

    2. Re:Experiment in trollificationism by AHuxley · · Score: 0

      The German advice to NASA was to not have the random stars detract from the mission of getting "earth" in the image.

      One strong uniform color behind earth.

      The Germans where really good at propaganda so the image was cleaned up for publication.
      People loved the image in the way the Germans suggested and NASA could grow its influence and budget.
      Germans helped NASA win again and again like that.
      Smart suggestions like that made NASA great in the past.
      The image is not fake, its just cleaned a bit to present NASA in the best possible way for publication.

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    3. Re:Experiment in trollificationism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the irony, of course: if you did see stars in the photo, that would be evidence it was fake!

  9. Let's not forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    that the apollo 8 astronauts read from the Book of Genesis on Christmas Eve as they were making a television broadcast from space. It was the most watched program in history until that point. In that innocent time Government Employees could read from the good book, and the world listened as one.

    A nation that has great faith can do great things. A nation without faith in something bigger than themselves will inevitably dissolve in wide spread self hatred and backbiting.

    Just saying.

    1. Re:Let's not forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      'Faith' should be a PRIVATE thing, not what makes decisions for an entire country. Practice whatever 'religion' you want in the privacy of your own home, or go to a church, but keep your 'faith' out my government, out of politics, out of my workplace, out of our public schools, out of my doctor's office, and out of my bedroom. Your 'religious leaders' should have nothing whatsoever to say about politics to anyone but themselves, let alone collecting money to give to political candidates. We do not need 'faith' to run a country, and we sure as fuck don't need some 2000 year old work of fiction that is not even relevant anymore, and that furthermore is spin-doctored to mean whatever the bastard who is 'interpreting' it wants it to mean. Truth be told I'd rather erase the entire idea of 'religion' and 'god(s)' from our entire species' minds, it's holding back both our physiological and social evolution.

    2. Re:Let's not forget by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      OMG, you sound like that Franklin crank, or even that Jefferson whacko.

    3. Re:Let's not forget by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      Why are you so scared of a God you think doesn't exist?

      God may not exist, but the people who want to meddle in my affairs on his behalf do exist. Just because I want people to keep their religion out of my home does not that their god exists.

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  10. I remember this by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    I was 10 years old at the time, some 4-5 years later the 2 most popular posters were Earthrise and Dark Side of the Moon.

  11. How to rid them [Re:In before] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    all the retards claiming the picture is fake because "you can't see any stars in the background"...

    Aaachoo! Hey, what's wrong with you, I see plenty of stars.

  12. See it as it happened by DeanPentcheff · · Score: 4, Informative

    For a high-resolution simulation of the taking of the photograph, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    Narrated by Andrew Chaikin, author of "A Man on the Moon".

  13. Up Yours Whitey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A rat done bit my sister Nell
    With whitey on the moon
    Her face and arms began to swell
    And whitey's on the moon
    I can't pay no doctor bills
    But whitey's on the moon
    Ten years from now I'll be payin' still
    While whitey's on the moon
    The man just upped my rent last night
    Cause whitey's on the moon
    No hot water, no toilets, no lights
    But whitey's on the moon
    I wonder why he's upping me?
    Cause whitey's on the moon?
    Well I was already giving him fifty a week
    With whitey on the moon
    Taxes taking my whole damn check
    Junkies making me a nervous wreck
    The price of food is going up
    And as if all that shit wasn't enough:
    A rat done bit my sister Nell
    With whitey on the moon
    Her face and arm began to swell
    And whitey's on the moon
    Was all that money I made last year
    For whitey on the moon?
    How come I ain't got no money here?
    Hmm! Whitey's on the moon
    Y'know I just 'bout had my fill
    Of whitey on the moon
    I think I'll send these doctor bills
    Airmail special
    To whitey on the moon

  14. Re:Why isn't it six times as large? by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Earth's radius is roughly three and a half times that of the Moon.

    One of the nifty demonstrations they make you do in vector calculus is the proving that you can treat a spherical body like a point of the same mass for purposes of gravitation. The Earth is roughly 82x as massive, and 82 / 3.7^2 is 5.9.

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  15. Gimmee a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PFFFFF yeah right. "Changed humanity's vision of Earth forever."

    If that's the case then why do we have to STILL endure climate science deniers and demonic entities like humpty trumpty who are hell bent on destroying the planet for the sake of their precious money?

    You diseased creatures really need to stop patting yourselves on the back. NOBODY cares. You failed, utterly, and you'll find your pathetic selves extinct by your own filthy hands in less than 300 years.

    1. Re:Gimmee a break by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      What we need to do is weed out the myopians and greedy fucks and prevent them from being involved in anything important anymore. At this point I don't even care if we have to bring back Monsieur Guillotine to get the job done.

    2. Re:Gimmee a break by AHuxley · · Score: 0

      The Germans got to escape to the nice USA and work on rockets for many years.
      That changed humanity's vision of German engineering and production forever.
      Germans got the best jobs and nobody asked difficult questions about their past employment.
      The US got to paint USA on the side of German rockets and that was good after all that investment in German tech.

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  16. YES, DAMNIT, YES! by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    "People realised that we lived on this fragile planet and that we needed to take care of it."

    Never forget!

  17. Re:#Me too. Greed is a shitty God. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    We could change things so that isn't the case anymore, it would be easier than you think except for one little detail: getting everyone on board with the idea. The rest is just details. We could still have capitalism and democracy without every gods-be-damned thing being about 'profit'.

  18. Apollo 8 Special Report on CBS by k6mfw · · Score: 3, Informative

    Time travel to this special report aired by CBS on Dec 27, 1968 without commercials
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?...

    Later in this program includes interview with Tom Kelly of Grumman who discusses the LEM. Kelly wrote an excellent book about the design and construction of this spacecraft many decades later, very insightful.

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  19. to admit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - Liking the photo
    - Would like 90% of the money spent on Nasa since the last moon landing back in taxpayers pockets

    1. Re:to admit by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like this one. Every human alive or that has ever lived is framed in this photo, except for one.

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    2. Re:to admit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except for one

      The selfie had not yet been invented.

  20. Re:Why isn't it six times as large? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    Your argument assumes constant average densities for each body. Not true in general, but letting that go...

    To finish your argument, ge/gl = (rho_e/rho_l) * (R_e/R_l). Now R_e/R_l = 3.67 and rho_e / rho_l = 5.51 g/cm^3 / 3.34 g/cm^3 = 1.65 So g_e/g_l ~= 3.67 * 1.65 = 6.06.

    Not bad, but the fact is that the average densities rho_e and rho_l are determined from the observed mass of the body divided by its observed volume. The better approach is to use the masses of the bodies, and the fact that an inverse-square force acts as though a spherical body's mass is concentrated at its center. Then (G*M_e/R_e^2) / (G*M_l/R_l^2) = (M_e/M_l) / (R_e/R_l)^2 = 81.3 / 3.67^2 = 6.04.

    A nod to "hey!" below, who already posted a similar argument.

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  21. Success by Merit in 1968 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The national program to put an American on the moon significantly advanced the pure and applied sciences. The program was immensely successful because it was implemented during an era when merit was rewarded.

    Nowadays, ethnic or racial ancestry is rewarded. Preferential treatment for Hispanics is the new reality.

    Preferential treatment includes affirmative action (AA). It is gross discrimination against Americans of European or Asian ancestry.

    Due to AA, an Asian (or European) must score roughly 300 points higher than a Hispanic, on the Scholastic Aptitude Test, in order for the admissions committee (of Princeton University) to give the Asian (or European) equal consideration with the Hispanic.

    "'[Affirmative action] offends me,' [Yukong] Zhao continued, telling me he believes Chinese-Americans have faced far more discrimination than Latinos. 'Why [do] Hispanics ... get higher preference than Chinese-Americans, or Japanese-Americans?'" (Zhao was interviewed for a report published by BuzzFeed News.)

  22. Re:Why isn't it six times as large? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fascinating.

    Are you an aspie, by any chance?

  23. mod up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excellent thanks!

  24. Northwest Now interview with Bill Anderson. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.pbs.org/video/earthrise-k9imny/
    How it happened described by the guy who did it.

    NASA explanation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=LHbFIieK-uo

  25. Working of Error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.

    Mystery Red of the Great American Eclipse
    It has blood on it!
    NASA Allais Effect Eclipse Experiment

  26. Re:Why isn't it six times as large? by AHuxley · · Score: 0

    Germans understood how to market their new NASA to the wider US public.
    Make the image ready for publication and easy to print so its propaganda value would be easy to spread.

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  27. Re:Success by Merit in 1968 by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    The USA got the best Germans. The merit was in attracting and getting the best Germans to the USA. Quickly and without any "war" questions.
    Before the Soviet Union, France and the UK could make an offer of employment after WW2.

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  28. Re:#Me too. Greed is a shitty God. by Pitt64 · · Score: 1

    i believe that is the definition of capitalism

  29. Re:You're gonna die too dumbass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But keep thinking you won't. It's very intelligent of you.

  30. Re:#Me too. Greed is a shitty God. by djinn6 · · Score: 1

    This is the only home we have and yet we're busy shooting at each other, threatening nuclear war, and wearing suicide vests

    Literally none of those affect the planet. Even nuclear war would only cause a slight change in its atmosphere for a few decades. For a planet that's been around for 4 billion years, that's nothing.

    Perhaps what he's actually going for is global warming. But killing people is a great way to stop global warming. Every living person contributes to GHG emissions because we still can't feed and clothe them without replacing forests with grasslands and digging up carbon-based fuel. If half of humanity died from nuclear war, our GHG emissions would be cut in half.

    Greed is the reason. Look for the apologists of endless greed and kill them.

    Greed is not why the planet's overpopulated. You're better off blaming people like Fritz Haber and Edward Jenner.

  31. Zond 5's Earthrise image preceded Appollo's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "On September 18, 1968, Zond-5 became the first spacecraft to circle the Moon and return to land on Earth. It photographed Earth from a distance of 90,000 kilometers,"

    http://www.planetary.org/multimedia/space-images/earth/C_Zond05_1.html

  32. Sideways by itamblyn · · Score: 1

    According to Anders (in his biography) the media showed the image the wrong way. When he took the photo, the moon didn't look like the horizon - it was rotated 90 degrees. :)

  33. Apollo 8 Bible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the Apollo 8 crew got in a bit of trouble for reading the first parts of the book of Genesis:

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8_Genesis_reading

  34. Re:Success by Merit in 1968 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Asian culture = cheater culture, not science or discovery culture. Asian grades and statistics always should be viewed as suspect. This is all you're griping about. There's no merit in Asia.

  35. Re:You're gonna die too dumbass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    (You):

    Let's just cease all space R&D since we're never leaving this planet

    Moron.

  36. Re:#Me too. Greed is a shitty God. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Well then you agree with what I've said numerous times before: what we have now is 'capitalism out of control', a perversion of what it's supposed to be.

  37. Re:Why isn't it six times as large? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, Moon density is established firmly by the geological study of moon rock samples, and not by estimates of it's mass, so it is a truly independent measurement. This is an important part of the argument above, which you and the illiterate idiot you "shout out" to fail to see.

    The rest of my argument refutes the idiot above by separating the factors that determine the gravity into two truly independent variables, and showing the fallacy of the original argument by explaining why there is no need for the Moon to be "six times larger".

    You're a bit of an idiot like him - you don't understand the fallacy, and you don't understand what is an effective refutation. In your final calculation, you have a hidden dependency on the volume in your mass guesstimate, so someone who understands basic physics can still point to it and ask the same question, "why isn't it 6 times bigger". Not possible with the argument I make.

    Go back to school.

  38. Re:Why isn't it six times as large? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, and I fucked your mother almost a year before you were born. Sadly, you got the "aspie" part from me, and the "smarts" from her, son.

    Captcha: "indeed", the AI confirms it.

  39. Re:Why isn't it six times as large? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    First, Moon density is established firmly by the geological study of moon rock samples, and not by estimates of it's mass, so it is a truly independent measurement. This is an important part of the argument above, which you and the illiterate idiot you "shout out" to fail to see.

    The rest of my argument refutes the idiot above by separating the factors that determine the gravity into two truly independent variables, and showing the fallacy of the original argument by explaining why there is no need for the Moon to be "six times larger".

    You're a bit of an idiot like him - you don't understand the fallacy, and you don't understand what is an effective refutation. In your final calculation, you have a hidden dependency on the volume in your mass guesstimate, so someone who understands basic physics can still point to it and ask the same question, "why isn't it 6 times bigger". Not possible with the argument I make.

    Go back to school.

    "Go back to school?" No thanks. I have a PhD in physics already.

    You can determine a planetary object's mass from its orbital motion with other massive bodies. And there is no need for density or volume at all in the calculation of the force of gravity from a given distance away from a planetary body -- even if that distance is the object's radius, i.e., you are on its surface. You can treat the entire mass of the spherical object as though it was concentrated at the center. That was the point that "hey!" and I made.

    A planetary object's density changes as you go deeper into it, due to the pressure of material above. Inferring its entire density from surface samples alone is just wrong. Your argument assumed a constant average density -- in effect you simply disguised the planetary mass as a "constant" average density multiplied by the planet's volume, and came up with an answer that still works (as I showed) if you (wrongly) assume a constant average density of M/V. But again, you don't need either the density of the volume. You just need the mass and radius of the object.

    You might want to consider going back to school yourself. Charm school.

    --
    If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
  40. Re:#Me too. Greed is a shitty God. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no other capitalism. You can believe that capitalism can coexist with a true democracy only if you're ignorant about the ecnomics of public finance.

  41. Re:Why isn't it six times as large? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I know, everyone on slashdot has several PhD's in various subjects. The less literate, the more the PhDs. You're no exception :)

  42. Re:#Me too. Greed is a shitty God. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Then things have to change. We can't keep going the way we are.

  43. Re:#Me too. Greed is a shitty God. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one thing that must happen—and will not—is the prohibition of lending money for profit.

    Usury is what allows all the money to "trickle up" to the 1%.

  44. Re:#Me too. Greed is a shitty God. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    There is a difference between 'capitalism with a social conscience' and 'profit above all else'. What we have right now is way too much of the latter. This must change. IDGAF what some AC like you says either, I believe I am right, and I also believe I am FAR from alone in this.