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Here's What 2019 Holds For Paint.NET (betanews.com)

The developer of the popular image editing tool Paint.NET, Rick Brewster, has shared his vision of what the coming year holds for his software. The 2019 roadmap for Paint.NET is an exciting one, promising migration to .NET Core, support for brushes and pressure sensitivity, and an expanded plugin system. BetaNews: Changes are on the cards for app icons and improved high-DPI support -- something that may be seen as mere aesthetic by some, but important changes by others. Switching to .NET Core could have big implications for the software, as Brewter explains: "It's clear that, in the long-term, Paint.NET needs to migrate over to .NET Core. That's where all of the improvements and bug fixes are being made, and it's obvious that the .NET Framework is now in maintenance mode. On the engineering side this is mostly a packaging and deployment puzzle of balancing download size amongst several other variables. My initial estimations shows that the download size for Paint.NET could balloon from ~7.5MB (today) to north of 40MB if .NET Core is packaged 'locally'. That's a big sticker shock... but it may just be necessary."

And, for those who're interested: the move to .NET Core will finally enable a truly portable version of Paint.NET since. Proposals for better DDS support and brushes and pressure sensitivity will be welcomed by digital artists, and there can be few users who are not excited at the prospect of an expanded plugin system.

142 comments

  1. Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why would I prefer to download and install this over GIMP?

    Just askin

    1. Re: Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell is paint.net and what evidence is there to back up the claim that it is popular?

    2. Re:Don't get, please explain by scumdamn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're using Windows? You think GMP's UI is terrible? You don't need all its features?

    3. Re:Don't get, please explain by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why would I prefer to download and install this over GIMP?

      Just askin

      I can't tell you what you prefer. But I can point you at a comparison site so you can make your own decision (the Paint.Net vs Gimp is about 2/3 of the way down)

      http://fixthephoto.com/paint-n...

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    4. Re:Don't get, please explain by Desler · · Score: 1

      It had non-destructive layers and high bit depth support long before Duh Gimp?

    5. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would rather edit the binary directly than ever touch GIMP again for a minute.
      It's insufferably bad. The UI is the worst I think I have ever used in any program. ( Even joke programs made on 4chan /g/.)
      The development tracker is even worse. The whole group are clueless. Utterly clueless.
      GIMP is beyond forking. You could do more by starting from scratch. Which is what several people did exactly because there was demand for it and the GIMP developers were too moronic and elitist to work with. GIMP is the definition of the Bad Parts of the Linux community.

      GIMP should never be installed anywhere. It's dangerous to mental health.
      I remember trying to make an animated GIF from a bunch of PNG screencaptures. Something that should have taken mere minutes at best. Instead I wrestled with a dumbfuck UI as well as waiting those "mere minutes" for GIMP to load all of the PNGs I dragged on to it, one by one, while stealing focus on each import window opening up. 40+ images. I went and made tea in the time! AND THE IMAGES WERE OUT OF ORDER.
      After I made it, I instantly uninstalled it.
      THE single worst program I think, no, definitely know, I have ever used.
      Skype from v5 on used to consistently BSOD if I had any GPU-intense program running when it launched a chat.
      It would lag for like a few seconds, then BSOD. Some stupid bug about drawing to an uninitialized video frame or something along those lines. I needed to write a script to instantly terminate Skype if I noticed it was about to kill the computer. About half the time I had to do that for 2 years until Microsoft bought them and fixed it. (at which point we stopped using it shortly after anyway)
      2 damn years hitting windows + F1 about 4 times a week.
      Even that was less terrible than GIMP!
      Never again. Disowned them.
      At least the PHP community got off their fucking ass and fixed the shitheap that was.
      GIMP is still shit.

    6. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have installed GIMP on Windows

      How is GIMPs interface any worse than photoshop (or Paint.net for that matter)?

      In what use cases are fewer features desirable?

    7. Re:Don't get, please explain by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      THE single worst program I think, no, definitely know, I have ever used.

      Oh come on now, have you ever used Blender? That UI would give the GIMP a run for its money.

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    8. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that seems kind of like an emotional response, do you have any experience with Paint.NET to compare your feelings about GIMP with?

    9. Re: Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is exactly what a program with a massive memory leak would have for a UI

    10. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The use cases where unused features occupy a UI entrypoint, distracting from the remaining features.

    11. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A common question in Gimp is "why cant I cut and paste". Its definitely not newbie friendly.

    12. Re:Don't get, please explain by del_diablo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Blenders problem was that it was a inhouse 3D editing tool intended for polygonal editing.
      So what was Blender 2.49 good at? Using hotkeys to edit models. Using textures to modify models. Modifying models.
      It had enough tools to do primitive animation and physics, but not well presented UI to make the USER use those features.
      And if you used 2.49 you know that the internal render is crap, but the user interface is atrocious.

      Hence 2.50 was a eventually, where a massive project would try to make everything in the suite as impressive as the raw 3D editing was. And going from 2.49, to the beta, to cycles, to whatever the last version i used: I would say their success should be held to unrestrained clapping and cheering.
      The key remaining problem is that Blender is now a "Advanced 3D package", where the less primary features such as animations still has a terrible UI. But advanced users can't tell that because they have learned it, and gotten used to the quirks. This extends to rendering, physics, and all other tools as well.
      I hope since they used it they finally added a direct selector to texture painting, instead of randomly having one of 3 possibly windows having a non visible selector.

    13. Re:Don't get, please explain by thegarbz · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Why would I prefer to download and install this over GIMP?

      You don't prefer it. It is just there, given to you, rolled out with every Windows update regardless of how much you try to get rid of it.

      By the way GIMP is truly horrible software. Crappy crappy stupid arsebackwards UI.

    14. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget about speed! GIMP is hands down the slowest of any graphics editing software out there. I'm not even talking about the lack of GPU acceleration or startup time, which are also slow, I'm talking about everything from using the "UNDO" feature to applying just about any filter.

    15. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blender is usually downloaded by the "Yee Haw, now I canz has a free 3-Dee pictures maker program" types. Basically, totally noobs with no previous experience with any other 3D editing tool. If you've used anything from Photoshop to Deluxe Paint on the Amiga and you fire up GIMP.... HOLY FUCKING JESUS CHRIST FROM GOD!

    16. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That link reads like a cheerleading page for Paint.net and makes some strange points in its effort to present an obviously biased perspective. Statements such as it's not worth it to install plugins in Gimp are opinions not facts. It reads like a Chinese translated version of English... no thanks.

    17. Re:Don't get, please explain by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Informative

      Paint.NET is standalone software. You're thinking of the Paint program that comes with Windows.

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    18. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's a useful statement for those traveling back in time.

    19. Re:Don't get, please explain by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Err actually I'm thinking of Paint 3D. But otherwise you're right.

    20. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because GIMP is awful. I mean it is terrible. I really tried to use it - had it installed and went to it as my first editor for almost a year before finally giving up on it. Any software with a UI that is actually user hostile like GIMP just needs to go away. Paint.Net has a friendly, easy to use UI. I understand that there are some skins or what have you for GIMP that fix some of its terrible design but apparently not all of them but why would I bother going back to that mess?

    21. Re:Don't get, please explain by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      Paint 3D- what Microsoft did because Paint wasn't awful enough.

      Paint.NET- 3rd party freeware that fixes both.

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    22. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on now, have you ever used Blender? That UI would give the GIMP a run for its money.

      I would like all software to have Blender's interface. The ability to put formulas in all numerical input fields, for example, is fabulous.

    23. Re:Don't get, please explain by Oligonicella · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hell, I use Gimp. It's not experienced friendly either.

    24. Re: Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell is paint.net and what evidence is there to back up the claim that it is popular?

      The answer is right there on the Paint.net website:

      "Paint.NET is just about perfect ..."- Lifehacker (June 2010)

      "Impressive." - PC World, Top 100 Products of 2007

      "It raises the quality bar," - Jeff Atwood, Coding Horror

      How's that for bragging? Praise from 11 years ago. Extra bonus compliment from Jeff Atwood, one of the most incompetent programmers of all time. What more could you
      want?

      Fun Fact: paint.net is the actual domain name of a company that makes paint.

    25. Re: Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GIMP was an amazing jump forward for free software ... in 1998.

      After those early achievements, the pace of improvements slowed, but the alternatives saw the dangers and improved their low end offerings and made their higher end tools easier to automate and extend by providing better tools and API's.

    26. Re:Don't get, please explain by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      That link reads like a cheerleading page for Paint.net and makes some strange points in its effort to present an obviously biased perspective. Statements such as it's not worth it to install plugins in Gimp are opinions not facts. It reads like a Chinese translated version of English... no thanks.

      I never said it was a good comparison site.

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    27. Re:Don't get, please explain by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You don't need to install Paint.NET to fix the problems with Paint3D. Typing "Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.MSPaint | Remove-AppxPackage" into Powershell already does that job just fine.

    28. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who use more advanced applications rarely "downshift" and use less advanced applications. There's a learning curve, even to the lesser feature set. The downside is that such people are limiting their horizons and:

      1). Failing to use an easier, and sometimes more appropriate app to fit the problem;
      2). Failing to expand their own knowledge and skillset. Among other things this makes them boring to talk to and they often recommend wildly over-engineered and/or expensive solutions to simple problems.

      Examples:
      What do I need to remove red-eye from photos? GIMP!
      How do I lighten up and correct colour balance? GIMP!
      Where do I go to remove a person from a photo? GIMP!
      Yeah, OK, but I don't know GIMP, and it sounds complicated. "GIMP is so fantastic and it's easy to use! GIMPity GIMPness is GIMPing GIMPly..." (leads to a 10 minute lecture on FOSS, the evils of Microsoft, the meaning of freedom, how to download, warnings about malware online, a lesson on the GIMP UI, 4 different ways to perform the task, and rolling eyeballs from the listener who tuned out 9.5 minutes before).

      Hey, it's a simple problem to fix, but it's still your problem to fix.

    29. Re: Don't get, please explain by Xtifr · · Score: 2

      The pace of improvements slowed...until 2018, when they finally finished integrating babl and gegl with the UI. This was a massive effort, and side issues were put on hold until the work was complete, because without it, The Gimp could no longer remain competitive. However, the release of v2.10 back in April, which was a massive improvement over the 2.8 series, meant that they could finally turn their attention back to features. (Not counting all the ones which magically appeared once gegl was accessible through the UI.)

    30. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can cut and paste in GIMP...

    31. Re:Don't get, please explain by Desler · · Score: 1

      You asked why someone would have chosen it over Duh Gimp and I told you. Duh Gimp failed to have basic image editing features for decades after everyone else implemented it. That's why I choose this and continue to use it. Duh Gimp is a garbage attempt at a Photoshop clone.

    32. Re: Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the NT4 days, I loved Paint Shop Pro. Very easy GUI, could run Photoshop filters etc. And a big user community made lots of cool contributions.

    33. Re: Don't get, please explain by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      It does what MS Paint used to do, the default easy-to-use painting app under Windows.

      And for the person who asked why people wouldn't use the GIMP, see the sentence above.

    34. Re: Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now point us to the screen where exactly the GIMP touched your body.

    35. Re:Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paint.NET is FAR more lightweight, opens in a pinch and is much easier to use and far more intuitive for simple tasks. If all I want to do is add some arrows and text to a picture I rather not load up GIMP for such an easy task.

    36. Re: Don't get, please explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair that is better praise than APK can produce.

  2. What has happened to /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Once upon a time a would get value add news about tech and science from /. Now a days what passes as news is abhorrent. Would the real /. Please stand up? #wheresmalda

    1. Re: What has happened to /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are deleting posts left and right now too.

    2. Re:What has happened to /. by Pablopelos · · Score: 0

      Sad but true. It is similar to a death spiral. I kind of think some science geeks should just overtake the site with just science articles for a while. It could steer it back to what the site once was.

    3. Re:What has happened to /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Try submitting some good news stories. It's the holidays and nothing is happening in the world. Little to no announcements. If you spot a good story, submit it.

    4. Re:What has happened to /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try phys.org, it has exceptional scientific articles w/discussion

      FYI, /. was purchased from DICE by a marketing firm who uses it to spam "nerds" was garbage from whoever will pay them.

      This is patently obvious when you see the brutally obvious russian trolls posting with 5 and 6-digit uids

    5. Re:What has happened to /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid things AGAIN. Phys.org is great if you want to read totally unedited press release advertisements that give little or no info, often describe things actually invented decades ago and discarded because they are stupid (but the writer doesn't know that and there's still no editing), and of course it's just a puff sheet for "give me money to stay on the gravy train, I'm some sore of unique snowflake who can almost but not quite do science that matters". All the so-called popular science sites are like that. Have you seen the nutjobs in the comment sections a few of them have? They make Slashdot look quite sane by comparison (the bar is REALLY low). Your local, never been near Russia, bot....

    6. Re:What has happened to /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naw, even the nuts talking about the 'electric universe' and the grad students who spend hours pounding them into the ground provide more information and value than your snarky bs

  3. real men stay their ground : paint.exe by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 2

    satisfying everyone's creative needs since Windows 1.0

    1. Re:real men stay their ground : paint.exe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm still using Paintbrush, you insensitive clod!

  4. Microsoft's .net development is misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bloated executables, bloated Visual Studio updates (another 4 gig download to update to the latest minor version, really?) and crammed with open sores software. I could download that crapware myself without having to bundle it into VS. You never get more than what you pay for.

    Too bad Bill Gates retired. He kept that company competitive.

    1. Re: Microsoft's .net development is misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats actually very funny. Whether or not anyone else thinks so

    2. Re:Microsoft's .net development is misguided by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      640gig downloads oughtta be enough for anyone.

      Gates retired. He kept that company competitive.

      Um....

    3. Re:Microsoft's .net development is misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only Ballmer had stayed, we wouldn't have to deal with the spyware/crippleware pile of shit that is Windows 10.

  5. Yet another dead MS technology ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's obvious that the .NET Framework is now in maintenance mode

    Honestly, I've lost track of just how many of the things MS has built has eventually been left by the wayside because it was never really that good anyway.

    I really am forced to conclude that Microsoft really sucks at making software, and what they can't make they buy, and then promptly ruin.

    1. Re: Yet another dead MS technology ... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Microsoft have rewritten the .NET Framework and made it cross-platform. Do you think that's a bad thing? Should they carry on putting loads of effort into the slower Windows-only version?

  6. Affinity Photo is the best alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one to buy is Affinity Photo if you can't afford Photoshop+Lightroom.
    For design, Xara Photo and Graphics editor.

    Paint.net is just a toy.

    1. Re:Affinity Photo is the best alternative by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      The one to buy is Affinity Photo if you can't afford Photoshop+Lightroom.
      For design, Xara Photo and Graphics editor.

      Paint.net is just a toy.

      Minor nitpick .. Affinity Photos is a Photoshop replacement, not a Lightroom replacement. While Lightroom has a subset of Photoshop editing tools, it also has Digital Asset Management tools, something that Photoshop and Affinity Photo don't really have (Although Affinity keeps dropping hints that they'll have DAM tools sometime)

      And while I can't vouch for it Affinity's Designer looks pretty spiffy for design work.

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    2. Re:Affinity Photo is the best alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except it doesn't actually export CMYK colored PDFs.

    3. Re:Affinity Photo is the best alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I very nearly bought Affinity Photo until I discovered that it's spyware which phones home every time you run it and that there is no way to disable this behaviour.

    4. Re:Affinity Photo is the best alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PaintShop Pro is better.

  7. what I would like to see in Paint.net by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    Dockable palettes or some other way to make sure they stop overlapping my artwork. Esp. the color palette is bloody annoying.

    1. Re:what I would like to see in Paint.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to stop using PrintScreen to print your artwork.

  8. Re:And by scumdamn · · Score: 1

    You mean you have to but this free application that you can download for free?

  9. Re: And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pirate Bay affiliates as well. IP spoofing, credit card hacks if you can think of it it was tried, from all those led to the ban

  10. So they called the product paint.net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but don't have that URL? Am I missing something? And, to me, paint.net implies it is an online service. The whole thing is confusing.

  11. Download versions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see a place where I can download the Linux version....

  12. Re:And by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    I was hoping they'd announce release under MIT license.

  13. UI Framework by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No mention of the biggest caveat of .net core: the UI framework.

    There is no cross-platform UI framework. MS is porting WPF to .net core, but for Windows only.

    So, just because you use .net core doesnâ(TM)t mean itâ(TM)s magically cross platform.

    1. Re:UI Framework by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't get the Core hype. It's supposed to be more cross-platform, such as running on Linux and Android, but for typical business apps, what does it give one besides migration headaches from pre-core?

      There is no cross-platform UI framework. MS is porting WPF to .net core, but for Windows only.

      The industry is sorely missing a desktop-friendly GUI standard for productivity/CRUD applications. HTML/JS/CSS has sucked for that. You can get HTML+ to act like a real desktop with lots of blood, sweat, and tears, but why does it have to be that way? Billions are wasted using UI rocket science on what should be bicycle science.

      Java applets tried to solve that, but Java tried to be an entire OS, making it bloated and full of security holes. A standard should focus on GUI's and only GUI's, offloading as much work to the server as possible to keep the client & standard simple.

      Make it coordinate-based on the client-side with any "auto-flow" being calculated on the server. Client-side layout auto-flow is probably THE biggest mistake of the HTML stack (except maybe missing common GUI widgets). The client can send its dimensions or size preferences to the server, and the server can then auto-flow placement as needed, and send simple x,y,z coordinates to the client ("z" being the panel overlay level.). People would also have a choice of layout engines, since they are on the server, not the browser.

      Controlling the layout is why PDF is still common. People can't stand it when HTML browsers butcher their layout plans and intent. "Autoflow this, Tim Burner Lee!"

    2. Re:UI Framework by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      I don't get the Core hype. It's supposed to be more cross-platform, such as running on Linux and Android, but for typical business apps, what does it give one besides migration headaches from pre-core?

      It lets you run your server software on a Linux cluster in the cloud. That's basically it.

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    3. Re:UI Framework by Micah+NC · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A couple options. For C++ folks there's Qt. You can build UIs from 99% the same code base for every platform.

      It's been a while since I checked out Java GUIs, but you can make them.

      Most developers are inclined to more broadly used technologies, e.g. like a web UI. React is the hot tamale at the moment. If you need a true think client app you can do electron.

      There are some mold and oldy options too like Tcl/Tk that have cross-platform GUI options.

      I'm not the biggest fan of .NET core. When I try to do something simple like file I/O and there's no google-able easy path ready it just seems worthless.

    4. Re:UI Framework by Kjella · · Score: 2

      The industry is sorely missing a desktop-friendly GUI standard for productivity/CRUD applications. HTML/JS/CSS has sucked for that.

      You already have Qt and Python, as long as Microsoft is pushing C#, Apple is doing Swift and Google Java-ish I don't see how you'd get more unified. I suspect the future for that kind of apps is Electron or something like it. I don't know what it's like to work with but the results like Discord and Visual Studio Code are pretty good. Remember Javascript won over ActiveX, Java applets and Flash so it's not going anywhere. The native platforms are backed by billion dollar companies. What's left for middleware nobody really wants to pay for? The Qt Company had 37 million Euro in sales last year and most of that is professional consulting where they develop custom solutions, the commercial value of just the framework is much less. Like Microsoft/Apple/Google could buy it with loose pocket change but nobody wants it. It needs something to piggyback on...

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    5. Re:UI Framework by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      For C++ folks there's Qt.

      Being just for C++ doesn't help much. A good standard would work in any language that can send/receive text over HTTP, probably with the UI communication express-able as text protocols like XML and JSON.

      It's been a while since I checked out Java GUIs, but you can make them

      Do you mean make a GUI browser with Java, or use Java applets? Applets failed because Java tried to do and be too many things, creating versioning and security headaches.

      Tcl/Tk that have cross-platform GUI options.

      It relies too much on client-side auto-flow, similar to HTML/CSS's big flaw. And it lacks a text-able communication standard, similar to Qt's issue. I suppose the Tcl commands could be considered the "text protocol", but that's using an entire language, which risks the same problems as Java applets. We just need the bathwater, not the baby also. If we require the baby, then we have to download baby security fixes etc. even if we don't use the baby (or most its features). Lean-ness of the standard and it's "browser" matters.

      X-Windows doesn't buffer input, in case somebody brings that up.

    6. Re:UI Framework by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You already have Qt and Python,

      Why are you tying it to a programming language (Python)? The standard should not be tied to a particular programming language. Past attempts keep making these mistakes:

      1) Ties it to a specific programming language or OS
      2) Packs in crap not related to UI's: EMACS-syndrome. That makes something too hard to keep up-to-date/plugged.
      3) Uses a binary protocol instead of text-based
      4) Proprietary
      5) Designed for LAN's, not HTTP (like X-window)
      6) Relies too much on DOM/CSS, which is screwy because it wasn't meant for desktop GUI's.
      7) Relies on client to adjust or re-format flow/placement. This makes the client too fat (#2), and inconsistent as different versions/brands will flow different, making testing a bear. The server can adjust spacing based on client size preferences so as to not bloat & buggify the client with this task.

      If Electron can get most the bugs and security holes out of it and it shows to be time-proven, then perhaps it can fill that role. In the past for similar tools, one had to keep upgrading the local JavaScript libraries to stay compatible with browser releases/changes.

      Remember Javascript won over ActiveX, Java applets and Flash so it's not going anywhere.

      Largely because Flash and ActiveX proved full of security holes, similar to Java Applets (see #2). JavaScript/DOM is merely a consolation prize; it's still not a GUI standard itself, and sucks when it tries to be.

      This just requires old-fashioned thoughtful parsimony: put in the standard what's needed and ONLY what's needed for GUI's. Shift as much to the server as possible to keep the client lean, mean, clean, and focused on one job.

    7. Re:UI Framework by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.io.file?view=netcore-2.2

      Found on Google

  14. paint.net has a LONG, LONG way to go.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a 25 year old paint shop pro is more capable.

    1. Re:paint.net has a LONG, LONG way to go.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have a reliable way to run 25 year old software on a modern system? Does printing (export to PDF) work in your setup?

    2. Re: paint.net has a LONG, LONG way to go.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called a VM. Welcome to 2006 you cuck.

  15. Re: Here's What 2019 Holds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "his trolls" == himself, who does he think he is fooling?

    This guy is completely delusional!

  16. Re: Here's What 2019 Holds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup. Two thirds of his posts would get him nodded down by any sane person. Predictable

  17. Paint.NET is awesome for intermediate editing by C0L0PH0N · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have used Paint.NET for picture editing for over 10 years now, starting when it was a WSU project when Rick Brewster was a Microsoft mentored student there. I support a number of websites, and have a family photo archive. Paint.NET is awesome and I can do pretty much anything I need to do with it. The simple stuff of course, rotating, cropping, adding text or lines or fill, fixing minor photo errors, getting a bit creative. And now and again a few more advanced things like "photoshopping" someone into a photo is fairly straightforward. I am deeply grateful for Rick Brewster and all his work on this. And I am thrilled he has plans far into the future for Paint.NET.

    1. Re:Paint.NET is awesome for intermediate editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rick Brewster is a crybaby who took his ball and went home.

  18. Re: Here's What 2019 Holds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet the users — datavirtue, captaindork, the original cdr, just to name but a few — whom you accuse of being him are consistently up modded. Either he's a good poster across multiple active accounts or you're accusing the wrong users of being him. Which is it?

  19. Side-effects? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I tried installing Paint.NET about 7 years ago, and it hosed up my PC. The memory of that keeps me hesitant to try again.

    1. Re:Side-effects? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Did Paint.NET hose it or did the .Net Framework do that? I find it hard to see how a simple .Net program could have any adverse effect on your system.

    2. Re:Side-effects? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Either of those hosing it is not a good sign. I don't remember the install parts. I did have to go to Microsoft.com to get a required component or two, but I don't remember what those were.

    3. Re:Side-effects? by Micah+NC · · Score: 1

      These days you can compile to machine code (OS specific) using Windows Universal Apps.

      I suspect it wouldn't be a major port.

      But then its not my time.

    4. Re:Side-effects? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Oh I agree, but the overwhelming most likely scenario is that the deeply integrated into Windows .Net framework is what hosed your machine. In which case Paint.Net is a poor target to complain against since if it wasn't that then it was likely something else. The whole point of the .Net framework is that it's abstracted away from the underlying OS and therefore shouldn't have the ability to ruin anything.

      That said the framework itself was a clusterfuck of versions and installers and downloads from the Microsoft website which may or may not be compatible with your system. The latest: This program requires .NET 2.0. Like WTF I already have 4 later versions of the framework installed, why are they not backwards compatible! *middlefinger* Microsoft.

    5. Re:Side-effects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have used it for years. never hosed up my PC so you must have a shit PC.

      They have also added it as a store app which is much more PC friendly than the old registry barfing method of installing software pre-windows store.

  20. F'n Dis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bring back WordPerfect for that sweet keyboard action.

    1. Re:F'n Dis by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Bring back WordPerfect for that sweet keyboard action.

      It never went away.

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  21. Re:And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, it's like Microsoft windows!

  22. WordPerfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm the overlord of several WordPerfect sites.

    Only recently am I seeing a new bunch of college graduates that have never heard of it and are starting to influence decision makers towards Word instead.

    They could not have chosen a worse time to effect this change. Word, more specifically Office 365 is a fucking shit show.

    1. Re:WordPerfect by imperious_rex · · Score: 1

      What are your sites' URLs?

    2. Re:WordPerfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dewey, Screwem & Howe - Attorney's at law.

  23. And In Other News... by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 0

    There are thousands of other small projects to be spammed to the front page of /.

  24. is/was fast by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    The only reason I use paint.net is because it's fast to do simple things. Bloating it up isn't going to help my reason for using it.

    1. Re:is/was fast by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

      Came here to say exactly that. Bet they won't listen.

  25. Easy by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    Readers like you stopped submitting things of interest to you and started relying on others. Other people came with other interests. A news aggregator like Slashdot is nothing more than the will of its readers. You want to change this?

    Click Here

    1. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not exactly. Users have some control over this with what they submit and how they vote in the firehose. However, the editors can write their own stories and control which stories get posted. The current group of editors lacks the technical background and perspective that past editors had. There may be a lot of traffic to Slashdot, but user participation is way down in every area. The articles that get the most comments generally seem to be the stories that lend themselves to arguments over partisan politics. I do a lot of basic scientific research for my job, meaning that I do a lot of work on Linux and with high performance computing. On the side, I do some game and mobile app programming. I participated frequently on Slashdot back around 2000 but I feel somewhat out of place now. Slashdot has always been driven by user submissions, but the content that gets posted is heavily influenced by what the editors find interesting. The editors control the type of content and discussion that takes place based on the stories they post and how they manage the site. I don't think it's fair to blame the users when it's the editors who really control what happens on Slashdot.

    2. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I stopped using my UID (about a million below yours) and posting any articles as protest against the crass monetization of /.

      Give it back to the nerds and I will spill to no end because I love my karma whoring points

  26. Does "truly portable" means a Linux port? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't .NET get some stuff opened recently? It's the only reason I keep wine around.

  27. Targeting .NET Core by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The most interesting part of this is the statements about the .NET Framework. I need to look at the links he posted and really digest them. I suspect Paint.NET is pretty heavily tied to Windows right now, and he mentions COM and GDI+ which seems to confirm it. But I've been under the assumption that if you are targeting Windows, you build against the .NET Framework it is already preinstalled and optimized for that machine. If you are targeting cross-platform, then target .NET Standard and compile against the full framework for Windows machines, and the Core framework for non-Windows machines that won't already have the full framework installed. The idea that .NET Core is "superior" to the .NET Framework is new to me. I suppose just compiling against the .NET Core framework only is more consistent than using .NET Framework on Windows and .NET Core on everything else?

    1. Re:Targeting .NET Core by dwpro · · Score: 1

      .net core got some significant performance boosts at 2.1, and it seems kind of crazy to use the .net framework unless you have legacy apps or a windows-specific need. That said, .netcore 3.x is supposed to bring a litany of windows-specific enhancements to .net core to make the netcore performance enhancements available to a wider set of legacy apps.

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    2. Re:Targeting .NET Core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Specifically, .net Core 3 will bring Winforms, WPF, the ability to access WinRT API, and use UWP controls in your Winforms/WPF forms.

    3. Re:Targeting .NET Core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .NET is a RPITA to configure xWindowsVersions let alone xOSPlatforms. Supporting a universal language hasn't been any harder than it is today with the constant need to deprecate shit in favour of making the latest applications only work with todays standards, removing all backwards compatibility.

    4. Re:Targeting .NET Core by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

      The upcoming versions of .NET Standard and C# will not be supported by .NET Framework either.

      They state difficulty in maintaining feature parity between two separate codebases as the reason for doing this, especially when the Framework has a much slower release cycle.

      To make Core a more viable replacement, they're porting over Windows Forms and WPF and bringing the exe back for desktop apps. Obviously these will continue to work on Windows only, though they'll be open source.

      Time to start upgrading your codebases.

    5. Re:Targeting .NET Core by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      My current project at work needs COM, SMO, WMI, Registry access, SCM, and P/Invoke. I wonder how much of that will be in Core 3.

    6. Re:Targeting .NET Core by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's bitztream the autism-hating, custom EpiPen-hating, Musk-hating, Qualcomm-hating, Firefox tabs-hating, Slashdot editors-hating Slashdot troll!

  28. I actually love Paint.NET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the simple stuff like cutting a picture or changing its size.

    For actual difficult editing/drawing I use Krita, but Paint.NET is excellent for simple tasks. Best part: it is all free.

  29. Paint.wut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What, no Paint.UWP?

    'Sup wit dat, MicroDaddies?

  30. Could you say .NET Core one more time? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    And this time explain what it is and why I, as a user of a paint program, should care about .NET Core?

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    1. Re:Could you say .NET Core one more time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .NET Core.

      But only if you can explain to me why what a program does should have any relation to its programming language/runtime.

    2. Re:Could you say .NET Core one more time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this time explain what it is and why I, as a user of a paint program, should care about .NET Core?

      Well, whenever I have encountered software written in Java, it has a bloated, slow, ponderous feel to it, so now when I hear that something I might otherwise have tried is written in Java, I nope right out of there. Not worth my time.

    3. Re:Could you say .NET Core one more time? by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      It will make it more easily portable to Linux and MacOS.

    4. Re:Could you say .NET Core one more time? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Something they should have mentioned in the article. I'm guessing they did not because it doesn't instantly make it portable and they currently do not have it working.

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    5. Re:Could you say .NET Core one more time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is still no cross platform UI framework. So you would have no GUI. It makes it theoretically more cross platform but practically speaking without XAML support on MacOS or Linux it's just hypothetical.

  31. Re:And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paint.NET used to be open source, then the developer closed it off because too many people were using the source code. After that I uninstalled it and never touched it again. I also stopped recommending it to people.

    There are better open source and commercial offerings out there.

  32. 4.8 coming in 2019 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .Net framework 4.8 is coming out in 2019. Its not in maintenance mode, they are making new versions still into next year.

    I read a lot of posts here and was wondering if anyone would mention this or if I was just off my rocker.

    1. Re: 4.8 coming in 2019 by cyber-vandal · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's being developed more slowly than .NET Core is as it's far more widely installed and changes that are being made in Core are not necessarily going to be applied to the framework as they might break things. It's not being abandoned but Core is the future.

    2. Re: 4.8 coming in 2019 by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      .NET Framework is the next VB6. It will be around for a long time, but new development will transition away from it. Though Core is so similar that the skill set transfers quite easily.

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    3. Re: 4.8 coming in 2019 by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      And like VB6 it will hang around for a very long time. Even .NET 3.5 will be supported until 2028.

  33. Re: Here's What 2019 Holds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL. This.

    Why would someone care what a fat low life fuck has to say on YouTube? We kicked you off here, YouTube comment section is next. I will troll every video you post. You fat lying bafoon.

  34. New plugin system == new security holes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another extensible application plugin system without proper security means yet another opportunity for malicious software to be installed.

  35. Firehose is a placebo by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Users have some control over this with what they submit and how they vote in the firehose.

    The firehose is basically a placebo. I repeatedly saw stories voted way up, and never post to the site, while really junky stories with lowball firehose rankings got posted.

    That's why I never bother with it. Just a waste of time.

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  36. Re:And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the website:

    Is Paint.NET free?
    There are two releases of Paint.NET. One is free, the other is paid:

    Classic: The "Classic" release is downloaded from this website and is provided free-of-charge.

    Store: The "Store" release is downloaded through Microsoft's Windows Store and is paid.
    The functionality is the same for each release, except that the "Store" release has fully automatic updating.

  37. Why don't use ImageMagick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  38. Because it has Electrolytes! by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 1

    Everyone knows that it the secret sauce of the .NET framework.

  39. Affinity Photo is not spyware by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I very nearly bought Affinity Photo until I discovered that it's spyware which phones home every time you run it

    Well what a shame for you as its great software.

    The claim it's "phoning" home is quite a big stretch - it's merely trying to fetch some content for the initial welcome screen, passing up things like platform info so it can present the right content.

    It also tries to do some updating of internal resources...

    Simply block go.seriflabs.com (resources) and welcome.serifservices.com (welcome past stuff) if it bothers you.

    If it were "spyware" it would be constantly sending traffic back to Serif, which it does not do - even as you open new images, no new traffic.

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    1. Re:Affinity Photo is not spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not great enough to sacrifice security/privacy and stability. I also have alternatives.

      It attempts to check for updates every single time it's run which lets the company know when it's run, how often and by whom. That is a huge security/privacy no-no. I also despise software that automatically updates because it causes stability and compatibility problems and is difficult to track down when it happens.

      My firewall would already catch something like that by default, but that does not excuse unscrupulous behaviour and I certainly won't be rewarding them with my money.

      Spyware doesn't have to constantly send data, it just has to send data without explicit permission, which is what Affinity attempts to do every time it's run.

      Sorry, but what Affinity does is absolutely indefensible.

    2. Re:Affinity Photo is not spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's merely trying to fetch some content for the initial welcome screen, passing up things like platform info so it can present the right content.

      What content is that? Code that doesn't exist in the installed program for some reason? That is a very vague, tenuous and stupid excuse you've fabricated.

      It's a local program, it should not be fetching ANYTHING online. I honestly don't think you understand computers or software and you genuinely believe that everything needs internet access to work because magic.

  40. where is IrfanView?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used Irfan for Everything image related.

    1. Re:where is IrfanView?? by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

      This is simpler than most, and my go-to standard utility. Just OCR'd an entire book from photo images Irfanview-prepared, illustrations too. Would have taken longer just to remember what the buttons on the other giant programmes were supposed to do.

  41. Pain.net vs Paint vs Paint 3D vs Kritta vs Gimp by aberglas · · Score: 1

    Paint.net has layers, and several good adjustments.

    Paint can print properly, unlike Paint.net. No layers is a killer limitation.

    Kritta supports a pressure sensitive stylus which Paint.net does not. And layers etc.

    Paint 3D is junkware.

    I have not used Gimp for years but it was generally horrible.

    Inkscape is vector based, quite different from the above.

  42. GIMP respects your software freedom, not Paint.net by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    If you want software that respects your software freedom, you'll want to get off of using Microsoft Windows (because Windows is proprietary, user-subjugating, non-free software) and use the GIMP. Paint.net is non-free software. It's license clearly states "You may not modify, adapt, rent, lease, loan, sell, or create derivative works based upon the Software or any part thereof." which includes free software freedoms—distributing for a fee, making derivative works, and altering the software.

    You see Rick Brewster, Paint.NET author, convey the same anti-software freedom sentiment in the Paint.NET blog article referred to in this story alongside Krita, a free software drawing application licensed under the GNU GPL. Consider a quote from Brewster's own blog:

    Paint.NET is also not something I want to be chopped up and swept into other projects like Krita. Remember, I make my living off of this — why would I just give away my IP like that? (although, of course, the whole conversation space here is much more complex — please don't assume I'm anti-OSS or something)

    If whatever "OSS" refers to (I'm guessing open source software) includes not letting users "chop up" the covered software and include code in other projects, then that's a clear and firm difference between the older free software social movement and the younger, business-centric, reactionary open source developmental methodology. Free software allows the user to do precisely what the Paint.NET license prohibit and what Brewster's comment explains. If Brewster is getting this wrong, and "OSS" doesn't stand for what he prohibits, people should take him to task for misunderstanding what open source software means, and they not allow that name to be conflated with proprietary software. But as of yet, I see no followup posts to his spelling out any misunderstanding of his chosen terms (making Brewster's claim another instance of the pattern I described earlier). Brewster also uses the term "IP" (which I'm assuming means "intellectual property") which is a scam that carries a dangerous assumption and should only be used to point out how bad the phrase is.

  43. How's life in the hypocrite lane?