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Cassette Album Sales in the US Grew By 23% in 2018 (billboard.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Thanks to such acts as Britney Spears, Twenty One Pilots and Guns N' Roses, along with soundtracks from the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise -- which boasts the year's top two sellers -- and Netflix's Stranger Things series, cassette tape album sales in the U.S. grew by 23 percent in 2018. According to Nielsen Music, cassette album sales climbed from 178,000 in 2017 to 219,000 copies in 2018. While that's a small number compared to the overall album market (141 million copies sold in 2018), that's a sizable number for a once-dead format. In 2014, for example, cassette album sales numbered just 50,000. But, 20 years before that, back in 1994, when cassettes were still very much a hot-selling format, there were 246 million cassette albums sold that year, of an overall 615 million albums.

133 comments

  1. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sometimes its good to move on.

    1. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Superior sound quality, duh.

    2. Re: Why? by laffer1 · · Score: 0

      Compared to what?

      8 tracks even sounded better than cassettes.

    3. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why let them go if it works?

    4. Re:Why? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      I think the better question to ask is: WHO is buying the tapes?

        I'd be willing to bet it's Boomers and/or Gen-X. I highly doubt it's teens or the 20-year olds given the data:

      1, Soundtrack: Guardians of the Galaxy: Awesome Mix Vol. 1 @24,000
      2, Soundtrack: Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2: Awesome Mix Vol. 2 @19,000
      3, Twenty One Pilots, Trench @7,000
      4, Soundtrack: Stranger Things: Music From the Netflix Original Series @5,000

      Not everyone wants to pay a streaming tax.

      Also, the 219,000 cassette copies sold is like a rounding error for sales of CD's. LOL.

    5. Re:Why? by blackomegax · · Score: 1

      Twenty One Pilots is *very* much a GenZ appeal band. Go to a concert and its pretty much *all* tween girls

    6. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh wait, I want to listen to the next song. Let me find it.... nope, not yet.... nope, not yet.... nope, not yet... wait, went to far..... a bit more.... there it is. Hisssssssssssssss

      I grew up with this shit. What the hell is wrong with these people?

    7. Re:Why? by Dusanyu · · Score: 0

      Convent size, doses not skip, cheep less distracting in a car than a phone. Seems like wins to me

    8. Re:Why? by sexconker · · Score: 2

      I have no clue what #3 is, but the others listed are all selling on cassettes as a novelty that ties into the retro music (and character) / setting of the corresponding movie / show.

    9. Re:Why? by Dusanyu · · Score: 1

      judging by those Albums i Highly doubt its Baby Boom or Gen X If it was bands from the 60's, 70's 80's or 90's it would be more believable. speaking from experience as you get older you discover a "best before date" on popular music.

    10. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why let them go if it works?

      You obviously never had a car cassette player or any interest in sound quality.

    11. Re:Why? by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      I think the better question to ask is: WHO is buying the tapes?

      People who wanted to be able to say that they taped over a recording of Britney Spears, Twenty One Pilots, or Guns N' Roses.

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    12. Re:Why? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      It's probably just for collection purposes. Look at the retro video game scene: pretty much the entirety of these games can be played via an emulator (or many of the better ones using one of the new "mini" consoles), yet people still want to have one of the physical cartridges.

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    13. Re:Why? by Pentium100 · · Score: 2

      Yea. Since skipping the song takes time and makes the tape pack uneven, I don't do it. On the other hand, when playing music from my phone I start thinking about the next song, maybe I should choose another and so on. I do not do that with tapes, even if I have more than one tape in my car (expecting to drive longer than the tape plays), I listen to both sides of one tape, then insert another.

    14. Re:Why? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Convent size

      Convents varied in size, though - from very small ones to very large ones.

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    15. Re: Why? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Oh wait, I want to listen to the next song. Let me find it.... nope, not yet.... nope, not yet.... nope, not yet... wait, went to far..... a bit more.... there it is.

      I still have my cassette deck, though I haven't used it in over a decade. Anyhow, it had a search for next track option. Actually it has the ability to set up the order to play the tracks. Granted, I don't think I used that after trying it when I first got it, but being able to skip to the next track (or two or three)was a nice feature.

      Hisssssssssssssss

      On type 4 tapes using Dolby S hiss wasn't much of an issue. Actually, I'd bet the sound was better than a lot of the MP3s.

      I grew up with this shit. What the hell is wrong with these people?

      Yeah, I don't get it either. I have a few cassettes that never made it to CD or another format. But why anyone would actually buy an album on cassette that is available on a better format. is beyond me.

    16. Re: Why? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Compared to what?

      It's probably not much worse than a 128bit MP3. However an MP3 doesn't wear out every time you play it.

    17. Re:Why? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      I think the better question to ask is: WHO is buying the tapes?

      I'd be willing to bet it's Boomers and/or Gen-X. I highly doubt it's teens or the 20-year olds given the data:

      I'd bet it's more likely teens and 20 somethings. I have a teen and she thinks albums and cassettes are pretty cool. In fact a lot of the indie bands that she likes only release their albums on vinyl and cassette.

      Most of us that are older remember how terrible cassettes were and how delicate vinyl is. I think it's a novelty to kids. There might also be some backlash to download/streaming as it's nice to actually have a physical object when purchasing music.

    18. Re:Why? by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1

      Same is true of a CD or USB stick. Why bother with a cassette?

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    19. Re:Why? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Convent size, doses not skip, cheep less distracting in a car than a phone. Seems like wins to me

      Before the mp3 flash player, tape decks still made sense for people driving on bumpy roads, or off-road. But now that flash is cheap and so are mp3 playing head units, and basically all new head units play mp3s, they make none at all.

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    20. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      A cassette is MUCH worse quality than a 128kbps MP3. A brand new cassette is only on par with perhaps 22KHz, 8-bit audio. A 128kbps MP3 can sound as good as a CD depending on the source material and how it was encoded.

    21. Re:Why? by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Because I still need sweet tunes for my Camaro.

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    22. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you would be wrong. Search on YouTube for cassette collections and you'll see a lot of little kids who are buying (or rather getting mommy and daddy to buy) cassettes. It's a retro trend among children.

    23. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My thoughts too.... And people are paying some good money for it too, haha.

      Anyone who grew up with casettes must remember the pains of it all.

    24. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, I still have a working 6-cassette jukebox. (and the matching CD player to record directly from 6 cds to 6 tapes too) Fully programmable for whatever tracks off whatever album you wish altho changing albums takes a few seconds. Or it will play random songs or play all 6 tapes end to end with the touch of a button. Or anything else you have the patience to attempt to program.

      Of course, even I haven't thought of buying a new album on cassette, so there's that :O

      Vinyl I have, 8-track I might because that's what the stereo is really setup for (quadraphonic 8-track recorder and 2 players and turntable)

      Oh well, people bought millions of Pet Rocks so I guess a few thousand cassettes is not so outlandish ;)

    25. Re:Why? by es330td · · Score: 1

      More that *who* is buying the tapes, I want to know what they are playing them on. What car today has a cassette player?

    26. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is it a bitchin' camaro?

    27. Re:Why? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      pretty much the entirety of these games can be played via an emulator (or many of the better ones using one of the new "mini" consoles), yet people still want to have one of the physical cartridges.

      Almost all mini consoles are actually emulators, and some of the best-loved games on some consoles don't work well in emulators.

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    28. Re:Why? by AsylumWraith · · Score: 2

      Wanna know how I know you haven't heard most, (all?) of those albums?

      Every one of them is going to have 60s, 70s, and 80s music on them, except for Twenty One Pilots, which is a recent thing.

    29. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      219000 Britney Spears fans just got their license, and the car they could afford to buy came with a tape deck.

    30. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey man where you headed?

    31. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope.. dolby B/C had a terrible response lag.. so, you'd lose the first bit of any high frequency sound (like cymbals), and hear just a bit of tape hiss after, before the NR kicked back in.

    32. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather just get the CD.

    33. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my flash drive is 256GB.. plenty..and it's the size of a small finger.. doesn't get more convenient than that.

    34. Re: Why? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      A brand new cassette is only on par with perhaps 22KHz, 8-bit audio.

      That's not really true unless you're talking about a low-end cassette deck. With better decks, audio cassettes can reproduce frequencies up to anywhere from 16 kHz to 20 kHz, depending on the type of tape (metal vs. rust).

      And on high-end gear, cassette tapes can provide about 72 dB of usable dynamic range, which is about 12 bits, not 8, though most commercial music these days has only about 3 dB of dynamic range anyway, so I'm not sure the difference matters. :-D

      To be fair, though, cassettes are still subpar when compared with any digital formats that aren't from the 1980s.

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    35. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember wishing for a memory-card music player back in the early-mid '90s. One card per album would have been fine, but there just wasn't the capacity or economy for it. PCMCIA cards were large, low-capacity, and expensive.

      iPod leap-frogged flash memory players by sticking a hard drive in, and people got used to having 100s of songs without having to remove & insert media.

    36. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, my folks drove it up here from the Bahamas!

    37. Re: Why? by Megane · · Score: 1

      That's how it always goes... with the right player! and with the right tape formulation! Except you know that manufacturers of pre-recorded tapes aren't going to spend any more than necessary. I keep wanting to use the word "audiophool", but this is like a hipster mimicry of it.

      I remember in the mid-80s I decided to buy a pre-recorded tape. There was a glitch in it, so I took it back for exchange. The replacement had a glitch at the same point. I then realized that it was a glitch in the copying process, and it could be on thousands of copies of this tape, depending on whether it was an electrical glitch while making one batch, or on the master tape at the cassette manufacturing place. I took this as an educational opportunity, and forever struck pre-recorded tape from my potential music formats.

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    38. Re: Why? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Nope.. dolby B/C

      While the deck I have also has b/c it has Dolby so as well, which is what I stated.

    39. Re:Why? by Megane · · Score: 1

      Boomers/GenX already have all the 60s/70s/80s music and don't need to buy a movie soundtrack album for yet another copy. This is clearly GenZ, to whom cassettes are a novel thing, and who have never seen a tape with its guts spilled out, thrown off the side of the road after being yanked angrily from a car tape player where it had gotten stuck in the mechanism. That was a common sight back in the '70s if you were a kid walking around the neighborhood. 8-tracks were even worse about this, with the tape constantly slipping over itself by design.

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    40. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And "high speed dubbing" baby!

    41. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many emulators (including those on console releases) have everything from low severity but noticable bugs (e.g., sharper or flatter pitched and sound effects) to medium severity chip emulation problems (not just sharper or flatter but entirely the wrong key and missing polyphony in video game background music) to high severity playability issues (game plays too fast from the original arcade release).

      A-B comparisons between the emulated version and the actual hardware console version reveal various degrees of almost perfect, close enough, and not quite how the game was supposed to look and/or sound.

    42. Re:Why? by Megane · · Score: 1

      Cassettes used to be cheaper to manufacture, both the tapes and the players. CDs now can be pressed in quantity for pennies, and it might cost a dollar complete with case and booklet. But you do need to press at least a thousand of them to get the good price. Cassettes can be made in low quantity, but the process is still pretty bad for quality.

      They were also more portable. The smallest CD players are like 50% bigger than the smallest tape players, and at first CDs were prone to skipping from being bumped around. Then flash memory became cheap, and MP3 players took over. We've got more than enough storage these days for FLAC and 24/96 if you really care about audio quality.

      You want a physical object? Get a CD, rip a CD, put it on the shelf. It's even got bigger artwork than a tape! (which is usually one of the arguments for vinyl!)

      Cassette tape is literally a "kiddie hipster" format these days.

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    43. Re:Why? by Megane · · Score: 1

      GenZ doesn't drive, that should be a big clue right there!

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    44. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume you struck every other format off the list too seeing as they're vulnerable to the same problem?

    45. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Analog warmth?

  2. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let them go

  3. What's up with that? by divide+overflow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are they buying them to play in dad's 1993 Toyota Camry or the Nakamichi tape deck they inherited? Or do they just enjoy tape hiss, dropouts and/or wow and flutter? Sure, I get tube amps, and I sorta get vinyl records. But cassette tapes? Really?

    1. Re:What's up with that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids are fucking stupid. Now get off my lawn

    2. Re:What's up with that? by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      You can't make your own record, but you can record your own tape with the music you like.

      Also, some music was only released on cassette, so if you want that, you have to buy the cassette or find someone who has it, then borrow and copy it.

      I also like that I do not get tempted to skip/choose songs when playing a cassette and can concentrate on doing whatever I am doing instead of choosing songs. It's like listening to radio, but there are no commercials or news.

    3. Re:What's up with that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Commercial tapes are recorded with Dolby and hiss isn't much of an issue. The rest of the problems only really happened with cassettes in the car and young people don't drive.

    4. Re:What's up with that? by grumbel · · Score: 1

      They aren't bought to be listened to, they are novelty items that just happen to be a dead music format. Buying the Guardians of the Galaxy or Strangers Things soundtrack on cassette is not much different than a Star Wars action figure. Many of them will end up on a shelf as decoration and never get listened too.

    5. Re:What's up with that? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I know it’s a joke and all, but IIRC Lexus included cassette players until the 2010 model year.

    6. Re:What's up with that? by divide+overflow · · Score: 2

      Don't tell the hipsters...the resale value of 2009 Lexus models might suddenly increase 20%. ;-)

    7. Re:What's up with that? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Guess who owns a 2009 Lexus? I’ve been tempted to dig through boxes of old crap to see if .i have any tapes left. I’ve never actually used it. The six-CD changer has Daft Punk’s Random Access Memories in it, only CD I’ve ever played in there. It’s from the bastard era in which Bluetooth for phones was well-established, but for audio, not so much. Thankfully the center console has a power outlet and aux port inside, so I just plugged in a cheapo BT receiver to catch the music.

    8. Re:What's up with that? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      To make video clips online to tell people all about the history of metal coatings and what brands to tape deck buy.
      To then take the tape deck apart and repair it again.
      To get a band to send in their music to play on tape in the next video clip.
      Listen to that quality tape hiss and music via a compressed video clip online.
      Another 1980's repair video next week.
      Click for the bag of parts needed to replace all the capacitors.
      Click for the needed rubber belts.
      Click to get a notification about the next repair video .... click for ... .

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    9. Re:What's up with that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'If you don't know where you've been, you don't know where your are...'

      Could it just be nostalgia.

      Or perhaps they are going to convert them to digital via a tape deck with usb output?

    10. Re: What's up with that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, my truck still has its original cassette tape player. But then again, its a 2004 model.

    11. Re:What's up with that? by Megane · · Score: 1

      You can't make your own record, but you can record your own tape with the music you like.

      That's nice, and sure, mix tapes still have a reason to exist, but this is about pre-recorded cassette sales. If you're going to make a mix tape from that, you need two tape players, one of which has to be able to record. (many portable cassette players are play-only) It's easier to record the mix tape from your phone... if you still have a headphone jack that is!

      This is so dumb that it can only be kids.

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    12. Re:What's up with that? by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      I can see myself buying a new pre-recorded tape, even if the same music is available on CD. Then I would not need to record from CD to tape, I could just play the tape I bought in my car or on my portable player.

    13. Re:What's up with that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Physical is great. It's a real thing.
      Cds are more fragile and awkward,
      Vinyl is even more fragile and awkward.
      Tapes are the best pre-recorded medium.

      It's good to try see the worth of rare things.

    14. Re:What's up with that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must admit I rarely listen to my My Spock action figure.

  4. What about 8 track??? by mspohr · · Score: 3, Funny

    I still have an 8 track player in my very old car... why can't I find any new music for it?

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    2. Re:What about 8 track??? by Ferretman · · Score: 1

      Funny you should ask that:

      https://www.dallasobserver.com...

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  5. I understand vinyl by nwaack · · Score: 1

    but cassettes sound absolutely terrible! If you're going to spend hard-earned money for nostalgia, at least spend it on the superior option.

    1. Re:I understand vinyl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but cassettes sound absolutely terrible! If you're going to spend hard-earned money for nostalgia, at least spend it on the superior option.

      I've heard very good sound quality from cassettes, if they are the right kind of tape.
      Also, the mastering plays an important role.

      I would say CDs have worse sound quality, but is usually because of the mastering.

    2. Re:I understand vinyl by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I've heard very good sound quality from cassettes, if they are the right kind of tape.

      It's not the quality of the sound, it's the noise. Even the very best cassettes (and I've fiddled with a variety of them over the years, sometimes even in good decks) feature a crapload of noise. There's just nothing like digital. Maybe it doesn't bother everyone the same, but it definitely bothers me.

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    3. Re:I understand vinyl by martinX · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the noise from cassettes is warmer.

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    4. Re:I understand vinyl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It blows from the South East.

  6. RIAA secretly behind this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1. a new format shift and reason to sell music with unending copyright - again!

    2. no DRM that can be defeated! ALL copies on cassette will eventually self destruct!

  7. There's nothing sexy about cassettes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cassettes were always a crummy format. You couldn't really queue them up. They broke all the time, they ate your player, etc.

    The (minor) resurgence of this format is weird. I recently saw a documentary from the early 90s on people who were obsessed with 8-Tracks, another crummy format. But that at least made some sense sense. This was before the mp3 era, so cheap music was hard to find, and 8-Tracks were dirt cheap at thrift stores, and the sound was still actually pretty good.

    But creating NEW cassettes is just weird.

    1. Re:There's nothing sexy about cassettes. by Junta · · Score: 1

      Basically, in the case of casettes it looks like it's (mostly) not about the music and more about the context making them collectible.

      3 out of the top 4 are basically equivalent to having action figures or similar. Fun collectible that happens to function. Also they more than make up the entirety of the boost in sales, and the sales represent less than 0.1% of the market, so it's fun to report on and I'm sure fun for the people making and consuming the tapes, but not actually significant at all in the general market.

      As a music format, it only had any value until CD-Rs became available to the common man (by which time CD players also had big enough buffers to overcome the skip problem that plagued early portable CD players).

      Vinyl music comes in potentially awesome packaging and isn't prone to so many problems that tapes were. Tapes only existed because of the ability for common person to record and possibility of car stereo playback and walkman, and we are now a few generations past that.

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  8. to quote Disco Stu... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6LOWKVq5sQ

  9. Cassette players by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is great news. Now if I could only get back my '82 Jetta so I could have something to play the cassettes on. I spent two weeks' pay on the sound system in that car and it fuckin' rocked. The car didn't really run all that great, and the heater didn't work, and one of the windows only went halfway down, but man I could bomb the bass in that little fucker. I loved that car. I'll bet if you could vacuum the upholstery you'd find a half-oz of some pretty decent weed I dropped there. It was green and had a 1.7 liter engine that supposedly could put out 74 horsepower, but I'm pretty sure most of those horses were pretty sick, because I really had to stand on that accelerator to merge onto the Kennedy Expressway. Good times.

    Now, if you wanna bring back my '75 Honda Civic wagon (also green) with the 8-track player, you'd really have something. I went away to grad school in New York in that bitch and I remember there was a track break smack in the middle of Heroin off Lou Reed Live. It used to drive me crazy. He'd sing "when the blood begins to..." and there'd be like this thunk and 10 second pause while switching tracks before he'd sing, "...flow". It was one of like 4 tapes I had when I left Chicago.

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    1. Re:Cassette players by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      I'll bet if you could vacuum the upholstery you'd find a half-oz of some pretty decent weed I dropped there. It was green and had a 1.7 liter engine that supposedly could put out 74 horsepower...

      You're right, that is some pretty decent weed.

    2. Re:Cassette players by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Nobody gives a shit about your bad taste in music or automobiles.

      The data would suggest otherwise.

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    3. Re:Cassette players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a datum, you insensitive clod!

  10. National Audio Company by puddingebola · · Score: 2

    I believe the last company still manufacturing these is National Audio Company. How they are continuing to do this is quite an effort, audio equipment manufacturers no longer make the equipment necessary to manufacture cassettes. A story I watched said they purchase second hand machines and equipment wherever they can to use and cannibalize for parts. All dead forms of media will find a nostalgia movement. 8-tracks are next.

    1. Re:National Audio Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      All dead forms of media will find a nostalgia movement. 8-tracks are next.

      You're about 25 years too late for that. Already happened in the 1990s, predating the nostalgia for Vinyl even.
      https://archive.org/details/so_wrong_theyre_right

  11. What I've heard by AndyKron · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've heard the distortion from a tube amp and cancel the distortion of the cassette. I've also heard the Earth is flat and vaccines cause autism.

    1. Re:What I've heard by divide+overflow · · Score: 1

      I've heard the distortion from a tube amp and cancel the distortion of the cassette. I've also heard the Earth is flat and vaccines cause autism.

      That reminds me to look for my DEVO cassette...must listen to "Mongoloid".

  12. Fucking hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First measles comes back, and now cassettes? What other maladies will these godless heathens re-release upon the world? Drum brakes? Knob and Tube wiring?

  13. [Checks Calendar] by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Nope, it's not April yet... WTF???

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  14. cassettes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can understand buying records since even high bitrate digital audio still strips out sound that the human ear can't hear, but your body still might react to, but cassettes were never good. It's like cooking a lasagna in the microwave.

  15. Where are the cassettes coming from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are no companies making cassettes, the last of which went out of business a few years ago. Are these cassettes reused that are being re-recorded and resold?

    1. Re:Where are the cassettes coming from? by pr0fessor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Are you talking about Sony, TDK, or Maxell all of which are still in business and making cassette tapes?

      I recently found some cassettes of a band I played with in the 80s and was considering getting something to play them back on. Much to my surprise there was still a very large selection of new cassette players on the market.

       

    2. Re:Where are the cassettes coming from? by mentil · · Score: 1

      Funny, I had the opposite experience last year. I found one $60 boombox at Walmart that played tapes, and there were few cheaper options on Amazon. Now if you wanted a Walkman clone, there were tons of options.

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    3. Re:Where are the cassettes coming from? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I did notice there were pages of portable players on amazon and most of them looked like the same one re-branded but I also saw a few dozen rack mountable dual cassettes and tuners with cassette. I didn't really see anything in the line of a boom box that I might toss in the garage to play tunes while I was working, but that's not really what I was looking for. I just wanted something that could play back and had an aux out I could plug into the pc.

  16. I've got good news for them! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    I've got a whole case of Denon blank 60 minute tapes that have never been opened from 30 years ago! (Or did I throw those out?)

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  17. Because Some People Like To Buy Physical Things by dryriver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The nice things about vinyl, cassettes, floppy discs, game modules, minidiscs, CDs, DVDs was that you were sold something TANGIBLE that you can touch, look at, stack or store, find in a random box in your attic and generally feel like you actually OWN. My collection of older PC games - the ones that came in plastic cases with something in them - makes me feel BETTER about spending money than a fucking digital download from Steam/Origin/Uplay. My preferred digital medium would be physical ROM chip with data permanently stored on it. I'd love to go to a media store and pick up some fingernail sized ROM chips with music, films, games on them. That gives me both some PRIVACY and the option to sell 2nd hand or gift to others. I'm sure that if someone really tried, you could probably make 2 Dollar ROMs with 20 to 40 GB capacity. Nobody will do that - the industry doesn't think that broadly - but it sure would be nice.

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    1. Re:Because Some People Like To Buy Physical Things by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      We call these "flash drives."

    2. Re:Because Some People Like To Buy Physical Things by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Cassettes had two things in their favor: they were small, and they were simple. Sound quality was awful, but you could carry a lot of them, and the players were pretty cheap (relatively speaking). Optical media were far superior in sound, and minidisc was absolutely amazing (though always horribly expensive). After I got my first MD recorder around 2001, I never bothered with making mix CD’s, even though it took longer to make the MD’s. Still have a few lying around, and there’s a minidisc player in my home audio system.

    3. Re:Because Some People Like To Buy Physical Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The nice things about vinyl, cassettes, floppy discs, game modules, minidiscs, CDs, DVDs was that you were sold something TANGIBLE that you can touch, look at, stack or store, find in a random box in your attic and generally feel like you actually OWN.

      You do realize they sell so-called "blank" tangible media, right? You can put your downloads on them and then you can touch, look at, stack, store, and put them in a box all you like!

    4. Re:Because Some People Like To Buy Physical Things by Megane · · Score: 1

      They were also the recordable format back in the day. There was also 8-track, but it sucked more, in many ways. But that still doesn't explain pre-recorded cassette album sales. How many pre-recorded MDs did you ever buy?

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    5. Re:Because Some People Like To Buy Physical Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No we call this ROM as the parent said, as in EPROM or even EEPROM if you wanted it to be reusable.

      Flash memory is more like RAM but non volatile.

      You would want a ROM in a cheap form that could not be modified after being flashed from factory just like pressed CDs are.

    6. Re:Because Some People Like To Buy Physical Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Flash memory is more like RAM but non volatile.

      Flash memory is EEPROM, for the record.

  18. No, you pay a re-buy tax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because when the tape wears out, you have to purchase it again, at full price.

    Oh, you thought the label would swap your worn out cassette for new one, for free?

    BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    1. Re:No, you pay a re-buy tax. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Because when the tape wears out, you have to purchase it again, at full price.

      No, you do what we wish we could have done back in the day: immediately make an MP3 of the tape for everyday play and store the original in a place where we hope it won't deteriorate.

    2. Re:No, you pay a re-buy tax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dual cassette deck Normal speed or High Speed dubbing. Legally make a backup copy of the tape. Put the original away. Play the backup until it's too worn out to be playable. Noteworthy is any such dropouts that might occur from a high number of tape plays still played through... no skipping. Tape misfeed due to capstan/pinch roller issues was an equipment issue, not necessarily a tape issue (unless the tape was slack from being shaken or otherwise not kept in a suitable stationary storage when not in use).

      Tape wasn't perfect, but dubbed copies were the norm for car stereo and portable "Walkman" style stereo usage. Hardly ever used the originals.

  19. Prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real reason why: cassettes are allowed in prison. CDs and vinyl are not.

    1. Re:Prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids are still wearing pants down, so you may have a point.

  20. Will road spaghetti return? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    Ask your grandpa about those windblown piles of tangled cassette tape angrily thrown out of cars when the tape eventually broke or the player mechanism jammed.

  21. It's not 23% it's 25% by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    There were 4 users and now there are 5.

    1. Re:It's not 23% it's 25% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any increase on a tiny base sounds impressive. I'll bet these growth numbers were supported entirely by woke hipsters, you wouldn't know them!

  22. Did You Never Want To Experience Something Older?? by dryriver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I was growing up in the 1980s, I had some interest in books, music, films and other stuff that was "from before my generation" - created in the 1960s or 1970s, or even earlier. I liked being aware of "what came before young me". Things like rotary phones, record players, non-electrical sewing machines, older equipment were interesting to me. I'm guessing that some Millenials are similarly interested in the 20 years that came before them - 1980s pop music, emulated 8-bit or 16-bit era games, audio cassettes, older books and novels, classic 20th Century cinema. Another interesting thing to consider: How do you understand trends properly - extrapolated future trends for example - if you don't look at them through a window of experience that is longer than - say - just 10 to 20 years? Those of us who started computing in the 1980s are actually quite aware of what computing looked like in the 1970s or earlier. Today - 30 to 40 years later - we have enough historical experience to judge what tech trends may come in 2025 or 2028. The fact that I owned a Psion minicomputer with flip-out keyboard, for example, informs my view that at some point in the next 5 to 8 years, a trend in smartphones may be Psion-like smartphones with a QWERTY keyboard you can write a doctoral thesis on. Whereas a Millenial who has only seen touchscreen-touchscreen-touchscreen may have no idea that smartphones with full physical QWERTY keyboards are even useful for anything - junk from "the bad old 1990s". Its a bit like knowing some world history - some stuff that happened 500 years ago can repeat, in slightly altered form, in the 21st Century. With computers or electronics, knowing the last 50 or 60 years is of great benefit in predicting what tech may come along in 10 years. Otherwise you become dependant on what Hollywood shows you in Scifi movies - real world tech won't necessarily evolve like in Minority Report or The Matrix. Even reading decades old patents can be a big eye-opener - some very smart people proposed some pretty amazing inventions in decades past that were never manufactured or sold. Variations on those patent-expired inventions may actually hit the market in the next 10 years. The past can be an indicator of the future.

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  23. Good tapes sound fantastic by Drunkulus · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is a big difference in the sound of a pre-recorded mass produced tape and a higher end chrome or metal tape recorded on a decent deck. Pre-recorded were almost always made with cheap normal bias ferric oxide tape which was designed for low-fi purposes like dictation. But, like the Porsche 911, engineers took a bad idea and developed it far beyond what it was ever supposed to do. The audiophile company Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab, best known for half speed mastered high end vinyl, produced a line of cassettes recorded on Nakamichi studio decks from original master recordings. Several of these cassette releases were reported to sound better than their vinyl LP counterparts.

    1. Re:Good tapes sound fantastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This raises a good point, If you want poor audio quality we already have vinyl.

    2. Re:Good tapes sound fantastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aye, I used to record on really nice tape on a really nice Sony deck when I was young. Using an EQ and Dolby B/C on both ends they sounded just like the original albums. I bet these are like new albums and done well on high end tape....hopefully.

      Half the good stuff survived, most of the prerecorded tapes survived, and maybe 20% of the cheap tapes

      I can even Dolby (verb?) my Quadraphonic 8-tracks but i am sure noone* else could play them back properly! No tape noise but only useable in 1 deck at home.

      *I did see another 4-channel Dolby unit pass thru eBay once so there may be one other person, lol.

    3. Re:Good tapes sound fantastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Several of these cassette releases were reported to sound better than their vinyl LP counterparts.

      Scientists invented a medium that could sound BETTER than vinyl LPs? No way.

  24. Hipsters... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    They are a plague on this world.

    Perhaps if someone could "ironically" bring back strychnine as a recreational drug?

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  25. Guardians of the Galaxy, duh by Spy+Handler · · Score: 3, Funny

    Didn't you guys watch the movie? It was basically just a 2 hour advertisement for the cassette tape format.

    The sequel was also plugging the Microsoft Zune. I think the used Zune prices on ebay will be going up.

  26. Mo POWAH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you'd find a half-oz of some pretty decent weed I dropped there. It was green and had a 1.7 liter engine

    Dude. Duuuuuuuude, where in the hell did you buy your weed and where can I get some? I bet it comes turbocharged nowadays :D

  27. ROFLMAO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. So UNDERWHELMING that only a member of the DumAsCrap Socialist party would think that this is meaningful. Worthless numbers for a worthless product. Take a digit recording, convert to analog, put on a crappy vinyl disc, play on a turntable, convert back to digital and expect this to be better.

    LOL. Idiots will believe anything that their fellow Kotex napkins print.

  28. You can get pretty close to CD Quality by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    with a good tape. There were a ton of advanced tape technologies at the end of it's life cycle, see here for a Youtube Channel that covers a lot of them.

    Poorly mastered CDs sound flat and dull, especially for Rock music & Metal. That's less and less a problem, but I could see why some audiophiles would want tape. It's a different sound. Kinda like bands that play on shit instruments (especially guitars) because better stuff doesn't sound right.

    Reminds me of one of my favorite music jokes (forgive me, I heard this second hand as my bro's a musician, so I'm gonna screw it up a bit): a bunch of guitar manufacturers were at a round table for a guitar convention. They were all talking about the fancy woods they use and one of them (I think Danelectro) came up and said "We only use the finest old growth Masonite!". :).

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    1. Re:You can get pretty close to CD Quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Warnings about the original music being recorded on analog equipment and that while they have attempted to reproduce the sound of the original recording it might reveal limitations of the source tape... are inside the album liner notes insert of MANY RIAA artist CDs. "Weak CD sound": As one example, a 1980s album such as New Order Substance (Qwest Records) that was recorded using Dolby HX Pro on cassette tape (see the cassette insert) but it sounds lower volume, thinner, more separated, and not as punchy/more midrange "ticky" bass drums on those songs that have them with the CD release... UNLESS played sufficiently loud on equipment with larger speakers and ideally not played with the speakers run completely Flat. I wonder if they ignored the guideline about reducing treble response on non-Dolby equipment when they mastered the CD? Or if that was a deficient mastering curve for many early CD releases. Okay, so it sounds "good" at a louder volume, assuming treble reduced, and a slight bass boost using Tone controls in Stereo mode or some sort of equalizer (not just a preset, actual equalizer sliders even if it's a software equalizer)... and yet some of those songs can hit hard with near "ouch" level bass drums when played on high end DJ equipment such as Technics turntables and Cerwin-Vega PA style speakers.

      Also, "because digital": playing the redbook audio of some Sega CD games such as Robo Aleste (Tengen/Compile) is less bright and more punchy when played through the RCA outputs of a Sega CD model 2 than when played through the TosLink output of a PlayStation 2 Slimline. It don't think the analog output sounds "muddy", it just doesn't have excessively prominent cymbal sounds in the drums. 8x oversampling on the Sega CD but if there is any sort of filtering or pre-equalization, the slightly muted treble is a more natural sound than the overbright output from the PlayStation 2. Same entry level Pioneer receiver, but one is using analog RCA in Stereo mode and the TosLink sounds even worse using Direct mode (excess brightness) than Stereo or Dolby Pro Logic II Game mode.

      CD is still an interesting proof of concept for dynamic range experiments and how high treble can it play. I've even experimented with "boom bass" songs such as Boom Boom Pow by The Black Eyed Peas and it took vintage Pioneer CS-88As to reproduce sufficient low end that meant business even at moderate volumes NOT using Loudness... otherwise, oops, a subwoofer is needed to boost the CD bass drums. Home audio at 8 ohms, not car audio at 4 ohms. Most bookshelves (at least not the Polk M10s and Sony SS-B1000s I have readily available) don't hit that low with that much presence and the bass drum doesn't sustain as much as the artist intended for that song.

    2. Re:You can get pretty close to CD Quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zoomers* wouldn't even understand half of what you said. They don't have any "high-end" audio crap, and certainly not anything that would make cassette tape sound good.

      *That's "Generation-Z" if you aren't hip.

  29. No DRM, no '''streaming''' fees by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    No DRM so easy to make copies.
    You don't have to pay for '''streaming''', or buy a DRM-laden '''digital only''' copy that someone can yank back with no notice.
    Will last decades if taken care of properly.
    Cassette decks are mature technology, inexpensive, and reliable if properly maintained.
    Easy to make your own '''mix tape''' just like in the old days, without any technical knowledge or software to learn.
    Be happy they're not just pirating it, they're actually paying for legal copies.

    I see no real downside to this.

    1. Re:No DRM, no '''streaming''' fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of that is true of CDs (standard Red Book, not proprietary hacked formats).

      Oh, except: "taken care of properly" in the case of tapes means "don't listen to them." Every time you pop them in a deck, they degrade.
       

    2. Re:No DRM, no '''streaming''' fees by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you have to have some smarts to rip a CD and then make a Mix CD. Tapes are easier.

    3. Re:No DRM, no '''streaming''' fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you use a CD recording deck, then it's just like dubbing with tape, same process.

      Granted, very few people had CD recording decks. They stayed expensive when CD-R drives for computers got cheap.

  30. 23 percent??? by eclectro · · Score: 1

    So they sold roughly 15 cassettes versus last year's sales numbers of 12 tapes sold??

    I wonder how reel to reel is doing these days.

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  31. Re: Did You Never Want To Experience Something Old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was growing up in the 1980s, I had some interest in books, music, films and other stuff that was "from before my generation" - created in the 1960s or 1970s, or even earlier. I liked being aware of "what came before young me". Things like rotary phones, record players, non-electrical sewing machines, older equipment were interesting to me. I'm guessing that some Millenials are similarly interested in the 20 years that came before them - 1980s pop music, emulated 8-bit or 16-bit era games, audio cassettes, older books and novels, classic 20th Century cinema. Another interesting thing to consider: How do you understand trends properly - extrapolated future trends for example - if you don't look at them through a window of experience that is longer than - say - just 10 to 20 years? Those of us who started computing in the 1980s are actually quite aware of what computing looked like in the 1970s or earlier. Today - 30 to 40 years later - we have enough historical experience to judge what tech trends may come in 2025 or 2028. The fact that I owned a Psion minicomputer with flip-out keyboard, for example, informs my view that at some point in the next 5 to 8 years, a trend in smartphones may be Psion-like smartphones with a QWERTY keyboard you can write a doctoral thesis on. Whereas a Millenial who has only seen touchscreen-touchscreen-touchscreen may have no idea that smartphones with full physical QWERTY keyboards are even useful for anything - junk from "the bad old 1990s". Its a bit like knowing some world history - some stuff that happened 500 years ago can repeat, in slightly altered form, in the 21st Century. With computers or electronics, knowing the last 50 or 60 years is of great benefit in predicting what tech may come along in 10 years. Otherwise you become dependant on what Hollywood shows you in Scifi movies - real world tech won't necessarily evolve like in Minority Report or The Matrix. Even reading decades old patents can be a big eye-opener - some very smart people proposed some pretty amazing inventions in decades past that were never manufactured or sold. Variations on those patent-expired inventions may actually hit the market in the next 10 years. The past can be an indicator of the future.

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  32. Maxell isn't, and TDK may or may not be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same company as before?

    Maxell for a fact was in recievership or fully bankrupt, because it was noted in regards to their other magnetic media, like floppy disks.

  33. Re: Why? Green Felt tip by AntisocialNetworker · · Score: 1

    I hear the sound quality is improved if you colour one side of the tape with a green felt-tip marker. Oh, and use mono crystalline silver instead of oxide,

  34. reality check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we're still talking about numbers that are multiple orders of magnitude lower than "mainstream" music sales and a huge portion of the sales were 2 Guardians of the Galaxy "mix tapes" where I suspect many were purchased by people that don't even have players just because they are sort of a collectible, and in fact it wouldn't surprised if the vast majority of all of them are never even unsealed because you've got people thinking one day they might be worth something on ebay

  35. Re: Why? Use the tape counter on better equipment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The tape counter, if properly zeroed at the start of the tape, was a useful way of locating the next song and especially a favorite song. True, REW or FF had to be used but... if someone just put a tape in and their favorite song was a 162, just FF from the start of the tape and stop at or close enough to 162. Done.

  36. Re: Did You Never Want To Experience Something Old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trim your goddamn quotes mother fucker!!!

  37. love for oxide by shplopt · · Score: 1

    I know a lot of people are decrying hipsters, which is entirely fair, but one place that's never given up on the cassette is the punk/metal scene. It's a great medium for demo tapes and small batch releases from smaller bands. There are a lot of bands that will form, release an album on tape, go on tour, and break up within 6 months. It can take longer (and cost much, MUCH more) than that just to press a single on vinyl now that hipsters have thoroughly tied up the process. And it still feels really nice to hand some kids $5 for a hand numbered tape they poured their hearts into. Yeah, you could do that with a CD-R, but no one's ever treasured a CD-R.

  38. Dupe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a similar duplicate from the other week https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/19/01/06/2114257/vinyl-and-cassette-sales-continued-to-grow-last-year

    It's almost like they want cassettes to come back because they are worse quality and wont last as long so that you do keep buying them over and over.

  39. useless by whodunit · · Score: 1

    This article was completely fucking pointless and of significance to pretty much nobody on the entire damn site. "Slightly more hipsters buying cassette tapes than last year."

    Fuck this. I'm done with Slashdot.