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Right To Repair Advocates Are Hosting YouTube Town Halls To Show You How To Get Involved In the Movement (vice.com)

iFixit, a company that advocates for the right for users to repair their own devices, is hosting live town halls on YouTube to help get new people involved in the movement. "We're going to do them every two weeks while the legislative season is in full swing," Kyle Wiens, CEO of iFixit, told Motherboard in an email. Motherboard reports: The first town hall aired on Thursday, and featured prominent right to repair leaders like Repair.org's Gay Gordon-Byrne and US PIRG's Nathan Proctor. The broadcast covered topics such as the benefits of right to repair to consumers and the environment, and gave out information on how to talk to legislators about right to repair laws. Thanks to the right to repair movement's efforts, 15 states have introduced right to repair legislation in 2019 so far. Repair.org and iFixit's livestream gives people in those states information to help push their legislators to vote for bills protecting the people's right to repair. People living in states where legislation isn't yet being considered can learn all about how to kickstart their own local movements.

Getting involved in the push for right to repair legislation is as simple as watching a recording of the first town hall broadcast. From there, you can then head over to Repair.org's advocacy page, where, you can navigate to a direct link for each state that will tell you where right to repair legislation stands in your community, who your legislators are, and how to get in contact with them. If folks across America agitate for change, we can enjoy a future where people can freely repair their own devices.

52 comments

  1. Theoretical rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right to repair is like free speech. Completely useless.
    Sure you have it in theory, but when you try to cash it in you can't.

    1. Re:Theoretical rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like you don't have free speech, right now? Go fuck yourself, Libertarian morons. If you don't have free speech PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP FOREVER KTHXBAI

    2. Re: Theoretical rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hee hee Hee

    3. Re: Theoretical rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The right are fun to tease. No sense of humor and heads explode at the start of the debate.

    4. Re: Theoretical rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to people on the left, who are eminently reasonable at all times ...

    5. Re: Theoretical rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically, removing ISIS propaganda and/or incarcerating someone for making public their support of it, is a limit of free speech. We: left, right, and center combined, seem to be able to agree on passing moral judgement on that kind of thing. I'm glad that an ignorant ideology like that is met with systemic resistance, but there are other similarly ignorant ideologies that aren't.

      I'm much more concerned about the degradation of the 4th amendment. Your ability to exercise free thought is related to how secure you feel in your home and personal possessions, and having confidence that you won't be harrassed by law enforcement for your views.

  2. And the right to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...not repair? Is that a thing or are we just going to be righteously indignant about repair?

  3. It is not just for hand held devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Automakers dealerships have a machine that reads the cars' repair codes. Not you local repair shop.
    This also applies to John Deere farm equipment, down time on $300,000 machine that must work to bring in the harvest, can not be repaired in the field.

    1. Re:It is not just for hand held devices by RazorSharp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Those things are a lot more complicated than you're making them out to be. Repair codes can be read by anyone with a $100 device. The devices that the dealerships have just provide a lot more live data. Like all data (including the diagnostic codes), they need to be interpreted properly to be useful. Also, individual repair shops usually can buy equipment to provide them with the same information as the dealerships, it's just really expensive if each official product individually (such as VACOM for VW). But they can buy devices from companies like Autel and SnapOn that will work on pretty much any make.

      As for John Deere, it's a similar situation just with a much larger piece of equipment. If you own a John Deere then there's an authorized dealership nearby, and they will come to you assuming you're under warranty.

      I think the problem is that you're conflating diagnostics with repairs. Nowadays, repairing automobiles and farm equipment isn't much more difficult than it was in the past. But due to the amount of sensors that allow the PCM/ECM to maximize efficiency, diagnostics have become much more difficult. For instance, your idiot light might say "camshaft position sensor" but that doesn't necessarily mean that you have a bad camshaft position sensor. It could be a problem with your variable valve timing system, it could be a timing issue, it could be a short in the wiring for the sensor. As vehicles have become more complex, diagnostics have become more and more difficult. Despite their fancy equipment, the type of service you'll get at a dealership is only as good as the techs who use that equipment.

      "Right to repair" should mean that you can't be forced to sign a user agreement saying that you can't tinker with something you own. It shouldn't mean that manufacturers have to make things simple to tinker with. As a user, I should have the right to buy something that's horribly difficult to work on as long as I'm not legally prohibited from trying. I prefer the style of my MacBook to laptops that have batteries that pop out. An easily replaceable battery is a design constraint that isn't worth it to me. I'd rather take it to the Apple store and have them do it.

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      "From the depths of my skeptical and rationalist soul, I ask the Lord to protect me from California touchie-feeliedom."
    2. Re: It is not just for hand held devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      In John Deere's case it is a bit different. You can install the part yourself. You can't"authorize" the new part to be recognized without JD coming out and initiating the system to accept the part. And that isn't covered under warranty. Your $300k machine (ok the low end) is Brooke until a JD tech says it isn't.

    3. Re:It is not just for hand held devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Automakers dealerships have a machine that reads the cars' repair codes. Not you local repair shop.

      So does your local repair shot retard. They can buy them from: Snapon, Autel, Luanch, OTC. But a scan tool doesn’t tell you what the problem is. You still need to diagnose the problem.

    4. Re:It is not just for hand held devices by nightcats · · Score: 2

      I'm old enough to remember how good it felt to do the same with my car. Nothing dramatic, I only changed my oil, did my tuneups, rotated my tires, and did simple troubleshooting. But it was fulfilling and fun to spend time regularly under the hood. Now Mr. Musk, who I generally admire, tells me that the EV will make all that unnecessary, and if it's true I suppose it's a gain for the car owner and the environment. Yet I have to wonder if we really bother to think about what we lose with such a level of convenience, in which we use the technology without being able to develop a relationship with it.

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    5. Re:It is not just for hand held devices by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Yet I have to wonder if we really bother to think about what we lose with such a level of convenience, in which we use the technology without being able to develop a relationship with it.

      You can develop a less abusive relationship with it instead, that doesn't require you to constantly dick around with carcinogenic petrochemicals.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    6. Re:It is not just for hand held devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It shouldn't mean that manufacturers have to make things simple to tinker with.

      It shouldn't mean manufacturer can purposefully and legally make it more complicated either. I don't know about tractors but there are plenty of examples in other industries.

      Just to be clear, I don't feel like taking a laptop to a specialized store just because you need to replace a battery should be anyone's idea of a good time. It is a fucking battery. Should take someone even with double digit IQ like 30 seconds to replace.

  4. Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But once again Tesla will be given a pass.

  5. Numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple has sold a billion iphones in total and not having a replaceable battery means 1Bx4oz = 125,000 tons of e-waste destined for landfill (be decomposed in about 100,000 years).
    and thats just a single product, add up all their other devices and that number gets a lot bigger, just for a single company.
    clearly unsustainable, now add in Samsung, LG, Phillips, and all the other Chinese tech and we are looking at a million tons of waste, all because they couldnt be repaired.

    RTR should be mandatory with massive penalties if a device cannot be repaired, and yet they ban straws, ban unrepairable electronic goods period.

    1. Re:Numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple has sold a billion iphones in total and not having a replaceable battery means 1Bx4oz = 125,000 tons of e-waste destined for landfill (be decomposed in about 100,000 years).

      The battery is replaceable, it's just not behind a door that a monkey could operate. You can take it to Apple to do it, you can take it to pretty much any phone repair shop or you can do it yourself. And what are you going to do with all those batteries that you have replaced? They end up in landfill, not to mention the reason you throw out a phone isn't simply because its battery stopped working.

  6. Re: Practical rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are trying to avoid situations like this:

    'Electronics companies use proprietary partsâ"as in the case of of Appleâ(TM)s iPhone Xâ"licensing agreements, and software protections to discourage DIY repairs and make fixes expensive for even authorized repair shops. In some cases, the government gets involved. Major tech companies like Apple inform US Customs and Border Protection about which âoegray marketâ partsâ"often used in repairs by professionalsâ"to be on the lookout for.'

    Wandering what's happening in European Union, if it' s something to present this abuses from hi-tech corporations

  7. Re: Practical rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... to prevent ...

  8. Fed Rule Civ Procedure 24: Rights Intervention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of course if you dont have a controlling interest then you dont have a right but an administrative body will do a service of beneficial privilege escalation to maintane or sustain your interests under Federal Administrative Procedures Act. Therefore under FAPA you cant argue your car having a Right of Way or Rightbto Public Vehicular Travel if you are in service under privileged driving in the vehicle code and same for other so-called rights people belch about but never finance or assert.

    1. Re: Fed Rule Civ Procedure 24: Rights Intervention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what if the flag has gold fringe?

    2. Re: Fed Rule Civ Procedure 24: Rights Intervention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... oh the places well go

  9. cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been repairing my 1960s Tektronix scopes and accessories since like, forever, and all my Commodore crap too.

    Nothing new here.

  10. I've got a 2 year old Fire HD by Snotnose · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Last month the battery started to crap out, now takes 5-8 hours to charge, but 90 minutes to drain. Took it to a repair shop yesterday, for the price they quoted I can buy a new one for another $20.

    Last 2 cellphones I bought were because the existing batteries died.

    I'd love to see a law that requires electronics to have an easily replaced battery. Spending $160 for a new device, as opposed to $30 for a battery, is stuck on stupid.

    1. Re:I've got a 2 year old Fire HD by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd love to see a law that requires electronics to have an easily replaced battery.

      Instead of asking for a law, why don't you just buy a device with a replaceable battery? There are plenty of them available.

      Do you really need your congressman to help you shop?

      Phones with replaceable batteries

    2. Re:I've got a 2 year old Fire HD by whoever57 · · Score: 0

      Did you actually look at that list?

      It's a list of phones that no longer get updates. Obsolete, insecure phones.

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      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
    3. Re: I've got a 2 year old Fire HD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The market for smart phones reflects that fact that very few people share your priorities.

      A vocal few demanding this legislation have a massive impact on the many, many people who donâ(TM)t care about repairing but want a state of the art device, one not compromised by the need swap a battery or screen.

    4. Re:I've got a 2 year old Fire HD by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Last month the battery started to crap out, now takes 5-8 hours to charge, but 90 minutes to drain. Took it to a repair shop yesterday, for the price they quoted I can buy a new one for another $20.

      Last 2 cellphones I bought were because the existing batteries died.

      I'd love to see a law that requires electronics to have an easily replaced battery. Spending $160 for a new device, as opposed to $30 for a battery, is stuck on stupid.

      Why'd you take it to a repair shop? For most popular devices, even iPhones are "user replaceable". They just come with a built in IQ test to ensure that you're reasonably competent.

      Heck, even in the early iPod days you could easily replace the built-in battery. You'd buy a battery from Best Buy and with 15 minutes of work you had a new battery for it. If you were incompetent, well, it told you pretty damn quick that perhaps you're not to be fooling around. (And do you really want someone who looks for the "any" key to be messing around with volatile things like batteries? Or people who break the cupholders back in the day?).

    5. Re:I've got a 2 year old Fire HD by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see a law that requires electronics to have an easily replaced battery.

      Instead of asking for a law, why don't you just buy a device with a replaceable battery? There are plenty of them available.

      Because people like to force other people to have what they think is right. Its been adequately shown that most people just don't care about "easily replaced" batteries. But many of these people do care about the physical changes that must happen if you have that easily replaced battery.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    6. Re:I've got a 2 year old Fire HD by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Because people like to force other people to have what they think is right.

      In this case, what is right is what is sustainable. We must use ~30% less of the planet's resources yearly and reduce carbon emissions dramatically in order to go forward as a species. The Right to Repair is a massive part of that. Nobody should be permitted to make tons of throwaway garbage while we are in environmental crisis (or at any other time, so that we don't return to that.)

      We should have kept space development going after we won the space race. We probably could have been mining asteroids by now. Instead, we're shitting where we eat. Intelligent species don't do that.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    7. Re:I've got a 2 year old Fire HD by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Because people like to force other people to have what they think is right.

      In this case, what is right is what is sustainable. We must use ~30% less of the planet's resources yearly and reduce carbon emissions dramatically in order to go forward as a species. The Right to Repair is a massive part of that.

      There are a couple problems though. The concept of right to repair also has an implicit technology freeze within it. It's in the details. I don't know if you have ever been involved in design work, but parts come and go at an astonishing rate. You don't just spec a part, look up and buy, you have to investigate how long that part is available. Parts suppliers try to help, passing along info on EOL components, but most designers have horror stories about how a ready to to go to production device was screwed by a manufacturer that suddenly stopped making some of the IC's.

      Right to repair doesn't happen without some level of technology freeze, and it has to start at the manufacturers. Because we can't repair last year's model at all if the chips are suddenly unobtainium.

      we The problem can be somewhat mitigated by buying a lot of spares - but then there's that landfill problem again. And if we use those spares until they are all gone, we have a problem of nothing to them with.

      My point in all of this is that in this day and age, its really not a simple issue at all.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    8. Re:I've got a 2 year old Fire HD by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      Thing is, we may so much tax in Canada, and you guys down in the US do as well. Why not get what we paid for?

      We have entire armies of politicians. Passing legislation that outlaws planned obsolescence is the least we can ask of them.

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      A government is a body of people notably ungoverned - AC
    9. Re:I've got a 2 year old Fire HD by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There are a couple problems though. The concept of right to repair also has an implicit technology freeze within it.

      There are details to be worked out, but there's nothing inherently wrong with the plan.

      most designers have horror stories about how a ready to to go to production device was screwed by a manufacturer that suddenly stopped making some of the IC's.

      It's up to the manufacturers how they want to solve the problem, within reasonable limits. Maybe they have to pay more for a contract that says the parts must be available for the full product lifecycle. But if literally everyone has to do it, then there will be no competitive disadvantage.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    10. Re:I've got a 2 year old Fire HD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last 2 cellphones I bought were because the existing batteries died.

      Word. My cell phone is about to kick the bucket and I am thinking of getting a Samsung S5. Funny thing with S5 is it seams more popular than other more recent models. Because of Lineage OS support (#2 in popularity) and because it has a removable battery. I was really thinking about Sony Xperia. A solid phone line with Sailfish OS support out of the box. Even though non removable battery is bothering me though I might still get it mainly because of a good Sailfish OS support and hardware specs. With removable battery I would buy it like yesterday. Can't decide yet.

      There is a substantial interest online in phones with removable batteries (and phone jacks). Unfortunately there isn't much of anything available. I am ok with older phone, not many people are though. A 2.5GHz quad core with 2 gigs of ram should be enough if you don't run useless trash in the background in order to improve "user experience". Thank you Lineage OS for actually improving user experience.

      Phone is like a fucking status symbol now. Especially with kids from the looks of it. "Look at me! I got a locked down overpriced piece of shit glued together with epoxy that starts with a letter i! I am special now!". Good job marketing your trash to little shits that don't know any better Apple. Respect your "courage".

    11. Re:I've got a 2 year old Fire HD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you actually look at that list? It's a list of phones that no longer get updates. Obsolete, insecure phones.

      So what. His point still stands. You can buy phones with removable batteries. I have one and it is still getting updates.

  11. Re: Practical rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried to repair my pants a few times but then I realized they had so many worn out holes that they no longer existed

  12. Re: Fed Rule Civ Procedure 24: Rights Interventio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gold fringe is an administrative mode of the executive branch. by principal & agent doctrine it is a-ok.

  13. Companies will move to a rental model. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You will pay a fee and rent the use of their equipment.

  14. you have the right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you have the right to repair your advocate

  15. Right to repair should be simple by jonwil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All the law needs to do is to require that if a manufacturer of a product (whether that be a combine harvester, a chest freezer, a cellphone or a commercial airliner) provides parts, tools, diagnostic equipment, service manuals, service updates, repair guides, software or anything else to manufacturer repair shops or authorized service centres they have to provide those same items to anyone else who wants to run a repair shop or repair items.

    No exemptions, no restrictions, no "sorry you can't buy that unless you have a license to act as a motor vehicle repair shop" or other crap and no charging huge prices for things (with an appropriate government agency given powers to act if a manufacturer is charging prices above what is reasonable)

    1. Re:Right to repair should be simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The same people demanding that Apple supply parts and instructions are the same people that will be demanding Apple repair their phone for free after the person that doesn't know what they are doing screws it up.

    2. Re:Right to repair should be simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what? People are already doing that. Apple can simply tell them no like they're already doing.

    3. Re:Right to repair should be simple by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      All the law needs to do is to require that if a manufacturer of a product (whether that be a combine harvester, a chest freezer, a cellphone or a commercial airliner) provides parts, tools, diagnostic equipment, service manuals, service updates, repair guides, software or anything else to manufacturer repair shops or authorized service centres they have to provide those same items to anyone else who wants to run a repair shop or repair items.

      No exemptions, no restrictions, no "sorry you can't buy that unless you have a license to act as a motor vehicle repair shop" or other crap and no charging huge prices for things (with an appropriate government agency given powers to act if a manufacturer is charging prices above what is reasonable)

      To implement your right to repair nirvana.....

      Curious - how many years and how many parts must be stocked? Double the production? Triple? ten years? forever?

      Now we're getting into the nitty gritty. Are the manufactures required to use only parts that are going to be available for say 10 years? Are the chip manufacturers likewise going to be forced to continue production for a set number of years?

      And then what about all the leftover parts? Landfill them?

      Or do we just freeze designs and technology at some point, like the bagphones? Tube technology?

      Battery technology under this system. I'll leave that to everyone's imagination under this right to repair utopia.

      Oh, and then there is the cost of all of this. All of this overproduction costs money. Then, since no actual ability is needed to start your licenseless libertarian repairshop - what happens when BillyBob Ultrarepair's Shop screws up your smartphone?

      All of your demands result in frozen technology, massive overproduction of spare parts, exceptional impact on electronics design, and a very fascinating legal situation. I joke about bagphones, but under your system, electronics would be a lot closer to that bagphone than an iPhone X. But hey, it will be easier to repair.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    4. Re:Right to repair should be simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're intentionally overcomplicating things. It's pretty damn simple. If they repair OR continue selling new units of the original item, they must sell their repair parts. If they don't sell repair parts anymore, they don't get to sell or repair anymore either. Third parties are also allowed to make parts if they're capable of doing so, and the manufacturer can't add systems to lock out third party repair shops. No overproduction is required. You act as if businesses (A) don't already produce extra parts and (B) can't predict how much product will be needed for repairs over time based on existing order data.

    5. Re:Right to repair should be simple by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You're intentionally overcomplicating things. It's pretty damn simple. If they repair OR continue selling new units of the original item, they must sell their repair parts. If they don't sell repair parts anymore, they don't get to sell or repair anymore either. Third parties are also allowed to make parts if they're capable of doing so, and the manufacturer can't add systems to lock out third party repair shops. No overproduction is required. You act as if businesses (A) don't already produce extra parts and (B) can't predict how much product will be needed for repairs over time based on existing order data.

      You just said what I said, only you say it's simple. Perhaps you should get involved with electronic equipment design and support - they are looking for people like you. A lot pf people now think it's pretty difficult, especially when their IC's disappear.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  16. Re: God-given rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your natural, God-given rights are inalienable. The legal system can be just and protect them with legal rights or it can be a legal injustice system like in America. That's the difference between a free country ( as in freedom not beer) and a fascist corporate state where you have to get through TSA checkpoints just to move around freely.

    And Obama did NOTHING about it, so now heil Hitlary you libtards. Never forget Ferguson or that 9-11 was an inside job. ae911truth dot org

  17. Easy by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    Car makers and other hardware producers are already forced by law in many countries to provide replacements parts to anybody, sometimes for 1 or 2 decades and they have to allow 3rd party companies to fabricate them as well.
    That should be a general law.

    PS. I'm looking at you, Apple.

  18. crybabies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    did you forget you can choose who gets your money?

    for example, bad restaurant service? get up if you wait for more than 10 minutes for a menu.

    the sales person trying to upsale/rip you off? leave

    cell phone manufacturer trying battery tricks? dont buy their stuff.

    but no, lets cry and tell the world about it. guess you forgot how money works....

  19. Town hall vs seminar by Solandri · · Score: 2

    A town hall implies elected government officials with the power to institute change are present to hear citizen arguments. From what I can tell, only advocates for the right to repair were present (nothing against them, I'm one of them), no elected officials. That makes this a seminar or presentation, not a town hall.

    Even if elected officials had been present, there's a saying about feedback to Congresscritters. That one hand-written letter is worth a hundred printed form letters. A printed form letter is worth a hundred voicemails. A voicemail is worth a hundred emails. And an email is worth a hundred clicks on a website poll. That is, the amount of effort put into relaying the message matters. Elected officials use the effort needed to gauge how important the issue is to you. If you can't be bothered to do more than clink on an online poll, it must not be very important to you. If it bugs you enough to compose (or copy/paste) an email, it must be somewhat important to you. If you're concerned enough to make a phone call, it must be important to you. If you're worried enough to print out a letter, put it in an envelope, stamp it, and drop it off in a mailbox, it must be very important to you. And if you're so concerned you'll hand-write that letter (to prove it wasn't a form letter), put it in an envelope, stamp it, and drop it off in a mailbox, it must be extremely important to you.

    So even if this had really been an online town hall, attending via video conferencing will never have as much impact as physically attending a real town hall meeting. The ease and convenience so important to younger generations today end up watering down the impact of your statement to government officials. Hundreds of people attending a video conference will only convince a politician that a bunch of people spammed a bunch of forums telling people to attend and play it in the background while they played their XBox. Hundreds of people trying to squeeze into a town hall will convince a politician that this issue is really important to voters.

  20. lol by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    It's flamebait to talk about avoiding cancer? No. Petrochemicals are flamebait. They actually burn.

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    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  21. Right vs support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Safety regulations?
    Depends on products, some are more serviceable then others. I would like to know in advance without having to hire a lawyer what is permissible. Then can make an informed decision on whether I purchase. I like to support products that are serviceable vs beyond economic repair.