Apple Removes Siri Team Lead As Part of AI Strategy Shift (appleinsider.com)

The Apple executive who led the Siri team since 2012 has been removed as head of the project in a sweeping strategy shift favoring long-term research. Apple Insider reports: The Information reports Apple executive Bill Stasior is no longer in charge of Apple's virtual assistant team, though the executive is still employed at the company. Apple SVP of machine learning and AI strategy John Giannendrea reportedly made the decision in an attempt to shift the Siri program toward research rather than incremental updates. Giannandrea is anticipated to start a search for a new head of Siri, the report said.

Hired by former Apple executive Scott Forstall to run point on Siri, Stasior was previously attached to Amazon's A9 search arm. Stasior's removal as head of Siri comes at a critical point in the voice-enabled assistant's timeline. The first AI assistant to see wide adoption thanks to its inclusion in 2011's iPhone 4S, Siri's capabilities have fallen behind competing systems marketed by Amazon and Google. Apple is looking to Giannandrea to rectify the situation. Hired early last year, Giannandrea previously worked on artificial intelligence projects at Google. In December, he was promoted to SVP and put in charge of Apple's AI and Machine Learning programs, including Core ML and Siri.

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Maybe Siri should search for a new head of Siri

[Anonymous Coward]

Just sayin'.... if it's so fucking smart, it'll find a good candidate. It'd be awesome publicity too.

Re:Maybe Siri should search for a new head of Siri

[SeaFox]

Just sayin'.... if it's so fucking smart, it'll find a good candidate.

Someone didn't RTFS it looks like:

The first AI assistant to see wide adoption thanks to its inclusion in 2011's iPhone 4S, Siri's capabilities have fallen behind competing systems marketed by Amazon and Google. Apple is looking to Giannandrea to rectify the situation.

The whole reason they are looking for a new head is because, compared to Google and Amazon's Alexa, Siri isn't smart.

Re:Maybe Siri should search for a new head of Siri

[dgatwood]

The whole reason they are looking for a new head is because, compared to Google and Amazon's Alexa, Siri isn't smart.

Of course, IMO, the whole reason Siri isn't smart is that their privacy rules prevent the sorts of deep analysis that lead to it becoming smart. If the latter doesn't change, neither will the former, and no change of leadership is going to make any difference.

Sometimes, the best strategy is to do nothing at all, wait for a competitor to get good enough, and then license its services under terms you can live with, i.e. replace Siri with Assistant or Alexa, with whatever sort of anonymization you feel the need to layer on top of it (with the caveat that any anonymization will inherently make it inferior when answering questions based on things like personalized calendar events).

Either that or do absolutely nothing at all, and cede the field of services to companies that do it well, and focus on what you're good at,

Might as well stop calling it "Siri" then right?

[Anonymous Coward]

Denoting a product, as opposed to a research objective

Re: Maybe Siri should search for a new head of Sir

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey man no need to get you panties in a wad

Re: Maybe Siri should search for a new head of Sir

[Anonymous Coward]

Funny. What is it about executives... Can they not just tell this guy, hey we need to change strategies and do long term research? Is he not capable of adapting? Seems that at that level he should be able to take direction from upper management?

Put Jony Ive in charge

[Anonymous Coward]

He has the minus touch

Re: Put Jony Ive in charge

[Anonymous Coward]

That bitch jony ive owes me my dead brain cells over his/her stupid retarded and ugly as fuck redesigns.

A Big Nothing Burger

[PKI Champion]

The person who led the team, Bill Stasior, obviously disagreed with the strategy change from above. He likely got into an argument where his pride got he better of him.

Re:A Big Nothing Burger

[Tablizer]

Rumor has it that Siri's AI is kind of out-dated and clunky. There may have been an internal debate about whether to incrementally retrofit the existing system, or deprecate it and start over. I suspect Stasior advocated for incremental, but seems the brass felt otherwise.

Re: A Big Nothing Burger

[Anonymous Coward]

When you search for Siri on redtube you find she is hotter than ever. And boy is she willing to do some crazy things.

Re:A Big Nothing Burger

[mentil]

I suspect the bigger issue is that the Siri team hadn't produced any significant results over the past year, and wasn't expected to any time soon. Whatever gimmicks they were tooling around with didn't focus test well, didn't work, or were just obviously lame. Marketable improvements weren't on the horizon so they needed to go back to basic research for an indeterminate amount of time; that meant they might as well reassign all the people who were working on short-term improvements, into long-term research or other areas altogether.
Maybe they wanted something like Google Duplex, only via Siri. This could be made awesome for businesses. Instead of telling your secretary to call your dozen employees and e.g. tell them not to come in tomorrow, you can tell Siri to do it and all the calls happen at once, instantly, no secretary required.

Re: A Big Nothing Burger

[Anonymous Coward]

Donald Trump could use Siri to call all 800000 federal employees and tell them to be at the Mexican border at 8am with shovels if they want to be paid.

Alternatively he could offer dreamers citizenship for bricks and labour, it's what illegal immigrants are best at after all.

I would like to see them spend one trillion dollars on the wall and make it an icon. It could contain portrayed and sculptures alluding to Rome, Greece and Egypt and mark how America is the greatest nation since then.

Mount Rushmore would be looked at as a quaint and crude place to visit compared to the wall. California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas would be considered some of the greatest tourist destinations in the world. Even Mexico would find huge benefits to their economy. If they offered to pay for it they might even get a say in some of the design, though I'm not really sure how you would incorporate tacos and ponchos in to the pattern, they really should try actually get a culture that would allow great monuments instead of always culturally appropriating everything American.

I'm saddened by how the rest of this country is so short sighted about the wall. All the fake news outlets creating this hysteria about the greatest president of all time. They really can't see the opportunities that await.

Donald Trump, sir, you are my hero.

Re:A Big Nothing Burger

[tlhIngan]

Or perhaps it's a decision of architecture - do you go big with a huge set of cloud-based servers that can answer any question under the sun, or do you try to figure out a way to make it mobile so Siri can attempt to do it all locally relying on local databases as well as Google and other internet databases?

Remember, Apple is trying to do more and more on-device and less and less in the cloud. Perhaps there's a difference of opinion - one wants to go big like Google and Amazon, while Apple wants to make Siri on-device. Yes, it won't answer questions as well as Google or Alexa, but if it completely works without talking to Apple's servers, that's a plus.

Re:A Big Nothing Burger

[LostMyAccount]

Is Siri's problem that it just doesn't work well -- doesn't understand requests or pulls wrong answers? Is it missing functionality that doesn't seem to require a lot more "AI", like voice-commands for accessing on-phone data?

For me I'd say it's both. I've never found it particularly good at interpreting requests, it doesn't seem able to integrate into my existing smartphone functionality well, and most of the time the answers boil down to returning search engine results.

Re:A Big Nothing Burger

[LostMyAccount]

There may be something to this -- Siri seems like it would be more useful if it could actually do things for me on my phone, which I think often means being able to process the data on my phone. This is probably a hard problem when you're relying on cloud processing but the relevant data is on the phone itself.

Re: Maybe Siri should search for a new head of Sir

[Anonymous Coward]

Strategically, once you have the power to surround yourself by allies, you must first make room for them.

IMO, Apple lost an immense amount of intellectual capital in trade for shallow snooty respectful appearances and some egos' illusion of control when Scott Forestall was summarily removed, of course only after Steve Jobs passed.

Apple has an amazing team, and whether the execs like it or not, Steve Jobs put all that together. Whatever forces are mucking with it since Steve, it doesn't seem rooted in business necessity (from a layman's viewpoint, knowing nothing),, but in applying a prejudice towards what Apple should be internally... a company that has forever had internal competition, now is running... smoother. The worst thing that could happen to Apple is that its executive class lives as a monoculture, everyone agreeing with each other, no new ideas ever. Even the real reasons why Forestall was dismissed were better reasons to never let him leave. Dissent, and to some extent, disorder, is an asset to a company like Apple that is more than peddling in creativity.

The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.
-Governor Tarkin

I sense an unusual amount of fear for something as trivial as this trade dispute.
Qui-Gon Jinn

That has to be illegal.

[Anonymous Coward]

You can't lose your position just because of Giannandrea.

Siri

[Anonymous Coward]

what a failure!!

Wrong skin color

[Anonymous Coward]

Get someone more multicultural in there. That'll fix it.

Good.

[wonkavader]

Siri is static, not progressing.

It has classic market-leader issues.

This doesn't make sense

[Rick Zeman]

in an attempt to shift the Siri program toward research rather than incremental updates.

You need to have both.

Tim Cook needs to be removed

[Anonymous Coward]

Scott Forstall needs to get back to Apple.
Tim is way worse than even Gil Amelio.
If Steve were alive he'd have fired Tim years ago for his asinine performance.

Re:Tim Cook needs to be removed

[dgatwood]

Not just no, but h*** no.

Let me preface this by saying that I would not mind Forstall coming back as the head of the iOS UI design team. IMO, everything Apple has done to the user interface since Forstall's departure is approximately as abhorrent as you can get from a human interface perspective. The clean lines and flat simplicity result in a lack of depth cues that would otherwise make icons and buttons easily recognizable, which slows down user input significantly. And just about all the new features have been useless crap like Memojis (which are fine, but not as the *only* improvement). Bringing Forstall back and putting him in charge of the UI design team would be a positive improvement, because that is where his strengths lie. However, Apple should absolutely not put him in charge of iOS as a whole, and certainly not the company as a whole.

You see, Scott Forstall created the iOS culture that ran roughshod over the Mac culture within Apple. That new culture is basically responsible for everything that is wrong with the company today. Under his leadership, paranoia and internal power struggles grew massively, which really hurt the company by reducing the amount of feedback on products early in the design phase (when problems can be easily fixed). Of course, those problems didn't get fixed when Forstall left, because the people who took over didn't make any meaningful changes. Instead, the status quo continued, which is why things haven't gotten any better, and indeed, have continued to deteriorate.

IMO, the problems with Apple's post-iPhone culture run deep, and fixing them will be a big job for anybody who takes over the reins. I don't think for one minute that Forstall would be able to do that if brought back as a VP or CEO, much less be inclined to do so. Instead, I'd expect him to double down on all the things that are wrong, and generally make things worse until the company implodes.

So no, Apple doesn't need Forstall. It needs Wozniak. He's one of the few people who routinely calls Apple on its bad ideas, and I think he mostly shared S.J.'s vision for the company and its products. Whether he could be convinced or not is another question, but I can't think of anyone who would be better for the job.

It was suggested ...

[Anonymous Coward]

... By Alexsis.