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Have Terabytes of Enron Data Quietly Gone Missing? (muckrock.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader v3rgEz quotes MuckRock: Government investigations into California's electricity shortage, ultimately determined to be caused by intentional market manipulations and capped retail electricity prices by the now infamous Enron Corporation, resulted in terabytes of information being collected by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. This included several extremely large databases, some of which had nearly 200 million rows of data, including Enron's bidding and price processes, their trading and risk management systems, emails, audio recordings, and nearly 100,000 additional documents. That information has quietly disappeared, and not even its custodians seem to know why.
The web page where a defense contractor hosts the data has been down since 2013, and after a one-month wait they replied to a request by stating the data was "under review" and "currently not accessible," adding that it might never be available again. And while a U.S. government site also claims they offer a trio of datasets on CD, that agency "has not responded to repeated requests for these datasets sent over the past two months."

The site also instructs visitors to email Lockheed Martin, who maintains some of the data -- but the provided email address bounces.

85 comments

  1. Why should we care? by Brett+Buck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What difference does it make at this point? The case is closed, the company is gone, people have gone to jail. It's completely irrelevant today. There are also plenty of public records of the trials if anyone wants to know the details.

    1. Re:Why should we care? by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It isn't irrelevant. There are companies like Enron out there right now. Look for companies that hate short sellers. Enron execs detested short sellers. For a good reason: they expose inflated numbers and fake businesses. Literally the same things happen over and over again in the business world. The lessons of Enron have been forgotten because everyone wants the gravy train to keep rolling.

    2. Re:Why should we care? by Rockoon · · Score: 0

      The lessons of Enron have been forgotten because everyone wants the gravy train to keep rolling.

      I have not forgotten the lesson. Dont let the government price fix. Dont let politicians claim that its for the peoples own good while they get campaign donations from those ready to take advantage of it.

      Enron would not have been possible if the politicians of California werent corrupt.

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    3. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Found the corporate biatch

    4. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More to the point, the government is completely out of control of the people. We can't do anything. Powerful people do all sorts of these favors for each other (like "losing" data or whatever), and there doesn't seem to be any social will to do something about it. So, what difference does it make, right? You can't fight city hall! Might as well just get used to living as a serf/indentured servant.

    5. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they expose inflated numbers

      HOW?

    6. Re:Why should we care? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      It isn't irrelevant. There are companies like Enron out there right now.

      That doesn't explain what anyone would want to do with the data from the Enron case. If you're trying to make a case against another corporation, you're going to need data about THEIR activities, not Enron's.

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    7. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ken Lay is still alive. He was moved into a sort of witness protection program. People with billions in assets under their control can pull strings like this. They faked his heart attack. The government is now getting rid of the evidence.

    8. Re:Why should we care? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have not forgotten the lesson. Dont let the government price fix. Dont let politicians claim that its for the peoples own good while they get campaign donations from those ready to take advantage of it.

      Wow, you not only have forgotten the lesson, it appears that you never knew the lesson to begin with.

      The Enron disaster didn't occur because of "government price fix". It all blew up because Enron was manipulating markets after deregulation.

      The disaster came from Enron's illegal goddamn behavior. People went to prison over it.

      https://www.theguardian.com/bu...

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    9. Re:Why should we care? by silentbozo · · Score: 1

      Let's say you want to train some machine learning algorithms to recognize suspicious trading patterns. Here's a dataset that came from a known bad actor. Could it be useful in identifying patterns of suspicious behavior? I'd suggest it might be of some use...

    10. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except, the databases may contain evidence of crimes that we are not yet able to discern. Modern AI might be able to mine the data and find evidence of other crimes.

      Not that anything Enron did was actually illegal..

    11. Re:Why should we care? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Because of PG&E's bankruptcy. And the need to track down funds that might still be parked in various places overseas.

      And while a U.S. government site also claims they offer a trio of datasets on CD

      It would be interesting to see if anyone that took delivery of one of these. Can we get them put on line somewhere? Turned over to a trusted library? Or have you already been visited and served with a National Security Letter?

      Please post pictures of dead canary or empty cage.

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    12. Re: Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aw come on those ask me again later

    13. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the dataset captured is very specific and doesn't map cleanly to other enterprises, nor would it have the same sampling constraints or consistency.

      In addition changes to products, counterparties, taxes, AML processes and the like will disrupt the pattern.

      You're simply making a blind assumption that the predictive power of the old data on new is high.

    14. Re: Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A surfer? Awesome. You can wax my board later

    15. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dataset is commonly used for demonstration, training and testing purposes in electronic discovery. Unless you're willing to use leaked data like the DNC emails, it's really the only viable population out there.

      The FOIA request that resulted in its creation was brilliant.

    16. Re: Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get Enron's trading records from the stock exchange records.
      Still waiting for a good example of what the suppossedly missing "Enron data" would possibly be useful for.

    17. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What difference does it make at this point? The case is closed, the company is gone, people have gone to jail. It's completely irrelevant today. There are also plenty of public records of the trials if anyone wants to know the details.

      People would say the same about old movies, arcade games, stamps, cars, etc.
      Just because YOU don't care it doesn't mean ANYONE doesn't care.

    18. Re:Why should we care? by smoot123 · · Score: 1

      The Enron disaster didn't occur because of "government price fix". It all blew up because Enron was manipulating markets after deregulation.

      I never followed the details of Enron all that carefully. IIRC, the California electricity market blew up because California regulated the rates PG&E (etc.) could sell electricity but deregulated the rates at which they could buy it. Wholesale prices went up (that's where Enron fits in) and the electric companies took a bath.

    19. Re:Why should we care? by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      Right, people are tempted to do illegal things to make more money. The same forces have been working for 10,000 years or so, and its not going to change.

          Why does having terabytes of data, virtually of which is mundane and completely off-topic, so important to learn that lesson? Even if you wanted to study it, how do you sort out the relevant parts? How would you even start? Every Ken Lay email? The prosecutors did that for you already, at least to the extent practical, read the transcripts (which are entirely different public records and presumably available from the court).

    20. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look for companies that hate short sellers.

      So, all of them.

    21. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't deregulation by the government that fixed prices, leading to the manipulation of the market by wholesalers. If the government hadn't regulated the prices for political purposes, then Enron would not have been able to gouge the retailers.

      Of course, that wasn't what anyone at Enron was convicted of - or even charged with. No, the crimes committed were actually fraud and securities crimes. Notably missing from that list: anything to do with supplying power.

    22. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ken Lay is still alive. He was moved into a sort of witness protection program. People with billions in assets under their control can pull strings like this. They faked his heart attack. The government is now getting rid of the evidence.

      Citation please?

    23. Re:Why should we care? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the government hadn't regulated the prices for political purposes, then Enron would not have been able to gouge the retailers.

      That's like saying, "If the government hadn't made murder illegal, then Charlie Manson would never have become a murderer."

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    24. Re:Why should we care? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Wholesale prices went up (that's where Enron fits in) and the electric companies took a bath.

      Not quite. It's a good deal more complicated than that. Wholesale prices went up because Enron (and others) were taking power plants offline in order to extort customers and drive up prices artificially.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    25. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you so defensive of it going missing suddenly when it shouldn't have, under the treasonous criminal fraud administration Drumpftard brought from his swamp in Russia?

    26. Re: Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they would have gouged consumers directly instead of by proxy. Don't kid yourself, it wasn't price setting that created the opportunity - that exists in any market where one player has too much influence.

    27. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      California is STILL paying off debt from this mess as well. They had a pretty balanced budget before all this went down too.

    28. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you not consider it coincidental that the same men that investigated Enron, put 4 innocent men in jail (where 2 died) to protect a cooperating witness (that was overturned and rebuked by the Supreme Court) and destroyed Arthur Andersen are the same ones leading the bogus "mah Russia" investigation and have yet to charge a single person with any Russian collaboration during the campaign? If one were prone to conspiracy theories one might think someone is trying to hide this.

    29. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep data on evil biz-nazi behavior. The citizenry may want to fuck-over ENRON C-suites again.

      1) strip them bare of all monies and property
      2) flog them 'round the streets
      3) decimate survivors
      4) Sell wives and daughters to Saudi whore-houses ... oh the pain ... oh the pain ...

    30. Re: Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He still thinks ML is magic. How cute.

    31. Re: Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not enough people went to jail.

      California governor Gray Davis endured a fake news recall that installed Arnold, all to stop prosecuting restitution of electricity bill overpayments.

      PG&E paid $1000/kW on the spot market!!

      We the ratepayers are STILL paying for that!!

      So yeah, need that data to demonstrate market manipulation and get the money back and put some fuckers in jail.

    32. Re: Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, Apple doesn't hate shorts, neither does Microsoft.

      Companies doing shady shit hate shorts.

    33. Re:Why should we care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Enron scandal is much bigger than Enron only. In the days before the George W. Bush administration launched the war on Iraq, the Enron evidence trail was leading to the White House, as published by major mass media news in the U.S at the time. That investigation and related news was silenced by the war reporting, in a clamp down on anyone who dared criticize the George W Bush administration or the war.

      Continue digging in this, please.

    34. Re: Why should we care? by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      No, they would have gouged consumers directly instead of by proxy

      They couldn't have. People didn't really care if Enron gouged someone and the details were hidden from them. But if average customer bills went up by 300%? They absolutely would have cared and rioted inside Enron headquarters.

      Having the details hidden from customers is what allowed Enron to raise the rates on distributors.

    35. Re:Why should we care? by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      California is STILL paying off debt from this mess as well. They had a pretty balanced budget before all this went down too.

      There were many reasons for that, but the Dot-Com collapse had a far far larger impact on the housing market, and California's budget is tied to the boom-bust cycle of the general economy.

    36. Re:Why should we care? by whit3 · · Score: 1
      We should care because Enron didn't act alone, those records are all that remains after criminal transactions and a notorious shredding-of-documents episode. Whatever the crimes already prosecuted, OTHER crimes may come to light in future.

      Until the statute of limitations for corporate malfeasance times-out the info, it is of value to interested parties in civil and crimilnal actions, Since Enron no longer maintains/controls that trove, destroying it is... unuseful. It should be kept available for subpoena, either by a court or by Congress.

      And, if it was deliberately destroyed, there might be a cover-up to be investigated.

  2. Trumpies covering up frauds again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Like he never had deals with Russia, lol. What a dumb traitor.

    1. Re: Trumpies covering up frauds again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good old trump eh

  3. mysql happened by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    simple answer

  4. Why would Lockheed store this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freaking military industrial complex.

  5. Sidney Powell book and the Mueller investigation by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What difference does it make at this point? The case is closed, the company is gone, people have gone to jail. It's completely irrelevant today. There are also plenty of public records of the trials if anyone wants to know the details.

    It may be due to the upcoming Mueller report and Sidney Powell, who wrote an expose book a couple of years back about the FBI.

    She was recently interviewed on Mark Levin's show, and has some very condemnatory information about Mueller, some people on Mueller's team, and the FBI in general.

    (NB: Sydney Powell is a former federal prosecutor, worked at the DOJ for 10 years, and lead counsel in over 500 federal appeals. Highly credible, whose information can't be dismissed out of hand.)

    The Enron data might have been deleted because it might have been used to prove/disprove some of Sidney Powell's accusations.

  6. Re: Brett Buttfuck here to apologize for ENRON's c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buh his taaaaax reeeeeeeeeturns!

    Dumb fuck.

  7. Why Lockheed Martin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do we consistently see Defense Contractors doing non-defense work? The answer is obviously money, but wtf.

    From this to Northrop Grumman horrifically managing the IT infrastructure for the Commonwealth (aka State) of Virginia, one might ask if it's time to have non-defense contractors doing large government bids as well as openly question the technical merits of all existing defense contractor efforts.

    1. Re: Why Lockheed Martin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logistics that is all

    2. Re:Why Lockheed Martin? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Because they have a large number of employees with secret and above classifications. If you get a contract and then have to hire people, it can take about 20-30 months just to get a decent amount of people through the process.

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    3. Re:Why Lockheed Martin? by PPH · · Score: 1

      employees with secret and above classifications

      What is it about Enron and/or PG&E that require secret classification?

      Other than the details of their nuclear operations, most of what goes on can be handled by their room-temperature IQ PHBs.

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    4. Re:Why Lockheed Martin? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Governments typically require some classification for their work even if it's completely unnecessary for the job at hand. Governments also tend to have a lot of cross-talk and you suddenly sit in a meeting that you should have classifications for.

      This is about governments picking LM over other contractors, LM is a safe choice, even if the mission changes.

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  8. Lying faggot Okie Traitor here with bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None of which will keep Trump from hanging at the gallows along with his bitch beta traitor faggot sons and bauble whore traitor daughter. The entire Drumpf clan is completely exposed as Putin's playthings. Strong rope required, Donald is fat.

    1. Re: Lying faggot Okie Traitor here with bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have just rehashed every decent editorial of the past year

    2. Re: Lying faggot Okie Traitor here with bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why do you care so much about this aspect of government? Do tell. Trying to put them right where you want them?

    3. Re:Lying faggot Okie Traitor here with bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you not realize that by being such an insanely stupid profane dipshit, you make Trump look fantastic by comparison? Four more years, thanks to you tireless morons.

    4. Re: Lying faggot Okie Traitor here with bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4 more years. Suck it. Suck my tiny pecker.

    5. Re: Lying faggot Okie Traitor here with bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      25 to life. Prison. Lots of tiny pecker sucking in prison. Enjoy Trumptards.

  9. 2013? Damn, too early... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Otherwise we could have blamed this on Trump!

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  10. Trump is already headed for prison for fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There's no reason for you to tapdance in defense of a traitor, faggot. Trump hangs either way, it's all over now. Mueller has his entire family on a leash.

  11. come on, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If that was an act of destroying evidence, then perhaps more people would have gone to jail and for longer, which could also discourage similar future mischief.

    1. Re: come on, really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh well they needed to check a few things. You can get big write offs with the right signatures and destroying data is one way to do it. Dumb ass. Rinse and repeat. No good reason really

  12. Re:Sidney Powell book and the Mueller investigatio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shhhhhh. This is slashdot. Facts, citations, and credible witnesses do not count unless the ultimate goal is to destroy Trump.

  13. Trump is prison bound either way, traitor faggots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why hide them then, traitor? He's not under audit which is a BS excuse anyway. What are you afraid of, Mr "No dealings with Russia ever" guy? Lol. See you at ADX Florence. bring lube traitor. You gonna need it. Bring some for Jr. too.

  14. Re: Sidney Powell book and the Mueller investigati by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps you need help with fractions. I am aware that fractions are not popular in school these days but some people do study them

  15. Strong rope is coming traitors, Trump is fat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When Trump's tax returns are cited, you'll see what he's been such a desperate faggot trying to hide, lol. Surprise, he had dealings with Russia and lied to your faggot face, GOP traitors lol. What did you win? Prison for life and a dying party.

    Go on, pretend Mueller is the real fake news again lol, faggot traitors. Strong rope is coming, Trump is fat.

  16. So let me get this straight, Okie traitor FUD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think because Powell wrote a book critical of the FBI that somehow gets Trump off the hook, and/or has something to do with ENRON's culpability in the crimes they've already been convicted of, because you say they lied?

    Lol. You're a dumb apologist traitor faggot but this is a reach(around) even for you, coward Okie. See you at Trump's hanging. Wear a white dress you whore, that will be precious when you get up on the table to tapdance distractions.

    Do you think Trump Jr. will be dating anybody? In prison I mean.

  17. Amazon are selling it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.amazon.com/Government-Sourcebook-FOIA-released-Investigation-Indictments/dp/1592489915

  18. PG&E? by aaronb1138 · · Score: 1

    PG&E among others are soon to be dealing with many trials surrounding various California wildfires they caused.

    The timing of noticing this data loss could be that evidence of power companies' neglect can be found in decades old Enron docs.

    1. Re:PG&E? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Well they have some problems with other wildfire, but the 'camp fire' one? That's going to land on someone else's head, with their little microfit setup that caused it.

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  19. Nothing to see here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Move along to the next coverup.

  20. Regulatory capture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The feds and the big defense contractors worked hand-in-glove for many years forming very cozy relationships and as the years passed the lobbyists got rules and regulations written that mostly aligned with the practices these entities were using to interact. The result is that anybody doing certain types of work with the federal government needs to follow very complex procedures and paperwork compliance requirements which the big defense contractors have constructed the corporate infrastructure to do. This is very expensive, but they are happy to do it because it makes the cost prohibitive for any new entrants considering entering the market.

    As a result, when government needs some new service, plenty of companies might consider offering it, but then they see the paperwork and legal requirements and they back off, leaving the pool of remaining bidders compose of mostly big firms already supplying the government with other stuff.

  21. Why Data is missing by buss_error · · Score: 1

    I wish I wasn't under a NDA, because I could speak truth to some really bad issues. Unless I'm under subpoena, I can't say any more.

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    1. Re:Why Data is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NDA's aren't enforceable when the information pertains to a felony. Just so you know.

    2. Re:Why Data is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous Coward exists on this site for this reason.

  22. Did $2 Trillion disappear? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And our defense budget went up 50% since the time that was going to be a story?

    It's the small things we focus on these days. Not big things like this.

  23. Damn by yusing · · Score: 1

    I'm so used to smelling rat when it comes to corporations and the government and the connections and overseas accounts. Lately I've been smelling hundreds of rats.

    The biggest rat so far was when, the day before 9/11, Rumsfeld reported $2.3 trillion missing at the DoD. Neatly done.

    I'm beginning to suspect it's possible there are thousands of rats like this Enron rat stuffed into thousands of closets. Once the news has faded away, we forget. Too bad that isn't impossible.

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    "You must try to forget all you have learned. You must begin to dream." -- Sherwood Anderson

  24. Re:Showing Off Your Stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you for confirming you don't know how to research a topic but feel fully confident to talk out your ass about it. Your opinions are BIGLY valuable.

  25. Re: You Should Try CompSci 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Datasets are usually covered in any introductory course.
    You would learn all kinds of useful deduction skills at university too. Apply today.. you can go beyond DeVry's TV/VCR Repair son!

  26. Re:How Big Is Your Asshole? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could pull a Yugo out of there and not even flinch it seems.

    SAD traitor is sad. Enjoy your rich man cum.

  27. Re:2013? Damn, too early... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll never get a job as a journalist with that attitude.

    Just play a few rounds of six degrees of Kevin Bacon. Throw in some anonymous sources who are familiar with the kind of air freshener he once used in 2011. And bam! You got him!

  28. Re:2013? Damn, too early... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still with the Trump fixation... he is a symptom, not the cause. There have been Trumps running organizations into the ground since the beginning of time. But no, he wasn't personally involved here.

  29. Re:2013? Damn, too early... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I think the journalists got tired of playing Two Degrees of Putin, that one ended up being a lightning round.

  30. Re:Sidney Powell book and the Mueller investigatio by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    That's obviously a conspiracy theory or something. /s

    Obviously the Muller is a perfect guy, and none of his prior enron cases weren't thrown out because he was inventing evidence of crimes and ended up being lambasted by the appeals court for it.

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  31. Not quiet anymore! by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    Everybody on slashdot knows now. Does anybody else matter?

  32. Re: You Should Try CompSci 101 by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

    Datasets are usually covered in any introductory course.

    Given how much Enron was cooking the books (the scandal destroyed Enron's accounting firm), you can find out far more about Enron did by looking at their public records.

  33. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the lesson you take from Enron, that "the government is completely out of control"?

    Enron Corporation went bankrupt, hurt millions of people (both before and after bankruptcy), their entire top executive were tried and went to jail (except for the one dude who died first). You are aware that Enron was a private corporation, right?

    Government can be corrupt, sure. However jumping from Enron to government corruption, there's no logic to that. It suggests that you wish to bang the drum of government corruption and any conversation will serve to get you there.

    No, the background of regulated utilities doesn't explain it either. Thousands of regulated utilities manage to do business without screwing over everyone in the process. Imagine that!