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JPMorgan Chase Announces JPM Coin, Becomes First Big US Bank With Own Cryptocurrency (fortune.com)

J.P. Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon called bitcoin a fraud in September 2017 and said, "You can't have a business where people can invent a currency out of thin air and think that people who are buying it are really smart." By January 2018 he had walked the remarks back but said he still was "not interested that much in the subject at all." In February 2018, J.P. Morgan called cryptocurrencies "risk factors" to its business, something it never previously said. And now J.P. Morgan has become the first U.S. bank to offer its own cryptocurrency. From a report: But don't expect it to become an investment vehicle -- at least for now. The cryptocurrency, called "JPM Coin," is intended for the bank's wholesale payments business that moves $6 trillion around the world daily. As long-time former banker and now cryptocurrency industry figure Alan Silbert said of Dimon in a January 2018 tweet, "Backpedaling is the first step in the program towards walking the path."

74 comments

  1. Until they lose the password by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3, Funny

    to the encrypted laptop that contains all the data.

    1. Re: Until they lose the password by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this some complicated scheme for big business or is this something you would see in action for average patrons?

    2. Re: Until they lose the password by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there really any doubt that it's a scheme for rich people to dodge taxes and other legal consequences of moving money around?

  2. Mr. Robot by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've seen this show.

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    W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    1. Re:Mr. Robot by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Sam Esmail needs to stop generating the future.

    2. Re:Mr. Robot by ememisya · · Score: 1

      Say, what was that crypto-currency standard all these technologies are based on? Was it ANSI, or an RFC I can't quite remember. Was there a size limit to hashes? Some type of incremental evolution keeping up with technology perhaps? Was there a way not to be effected by ALL VULNERABILITIES EVER while having your wallet in anything but a TI-82? You know, the consortium who decided why this was a feasible way to represent currently. Room full of wise and smart people with investors. Wait none of that exists? Good job JPMorgan.

    3. Re: Mr. Robot by ememisya · · Score: 1

      :%s/currently/currency/g

  3. woohoo E-Coin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    it's finally here.

    1. Re:woohoo E-Coin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yay! Someone made the comment so I don't have to. :)

  4. Just a ledger method by kalpol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This sounds like it is just a ledger method to keep track of balance transfers within the business, so not really a currency at all.

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    1. Re:Just a ledger method by timeOday · · Score: 2

      If it is tied to the USD (fixed exchange rate), then I think so too.

    2. Re:Just a ledger method by AlanObject · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This. I am sure that JPM is going to tie the coins to a cash reserve (most likely US$) and there won't be any mining of new coins to create new "wealth." (Note the scare quotes they are significant.) JPM will control the coin supply the same as the Fed controls the US dollar supply.

      This isn't Bitcoin. It is simply a new kind of open ledger using blockchains as kalpol said.

      However it might still be worth doing. People will still be able to trade JPCoins around the world and they will be far more stable than any free-floating cryptocurrency. What will be significant is if the coin owners are permitted to remain anonymous or not. If they are then eventually JPM will run afoul of authorities who don't want JPMCoins to be used to bypass currency controls and doing illegal stuff. I can't imagine JPM going this way but they stand to make a fortune (more of a fortune) if they do just off of transaction fees.

    3. Re:Just a ledger method by thereddaikon · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Seems to me a ledger for transactions is one of the few potential uses of blockchain that actually makes sense.

    4. Re:Just a ledger method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...here won't be any mining of new coins to create new "wealth."

      I'm glad you put the word 'wealth' in quotes. Very very few people understand that financial markets are zero sum games.

    5. Re:Just a ledger method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Financial companies already make new wealth with debt, for every dollar is borrowed the central bank lets them move 90 cents like if they were real cents, so they get their money + interests + new money

    6. Re: Just a ledger method by mino310 · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are over 200 actual https://audacity.onl/ https://findmyiphone.onl/ https://origin.onl/ banks using Ripple right now. Ripple is owned by Santander bank.

    7. Re:Just a ledger method by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Pretty much yeah, that's how we issue most currency. Wealth is production, so if there's 10% more stuff we need 10% more currency; then if you want 2% inflation, your 110% of currency must be 112.2% of currency.

      There's actually a problem in here: we make 110% as much stuff but have only 102% as many people, so there's 108% as much stuff per person and 110% as many dollars per person. Then we raise minimum wage by the 2% inflation and the poorest worker gets 102% as many dollars instead of 110% as many dollars.

    8. Re:Just a ledger method by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 2

      Wealth is production, so if there's 10% more stuff we need 10% more currency

      You don't need 10% more currency; you just need the currency, in aggregate, to become 10% more valuable. Which will happen automatically through price adjustments without any change in the supply.

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      "The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
    9. Re:Just a ledger method by AlwinBarni · · Score: 1

      That's what cryptocurrencies are - tokens for a ledger, in details: a protocol and set of rules to exchange and approve a ledger, however you might be right, they might not bother with all this tokens creation to reward transactions processing, tokens limits etc.

    10. Re:Just a ledger method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To me it sounds like a way to avoid the transaction fees and reporting requirements of moving money around.

    11. Re:Just a ledger method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mining does not create new "wealth". It secures the network and prevents double spending. I don't know how JPCoin works but without excessive computing power to protect the network it can't be open, distributed and p2p.

    12. Re:Just a ledger method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But currency becoming more valuable is deflation, and our economic system tries to avoid deflation because it discourages investment.

    13. Re:Just a ledger method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the Fed controls the US dollar supply."

      Eurodollars are outside the Fed's control. The Fed gave up trying to control the dollar supply decades ago. Stop propagating falsehoods.

    14. Re:Just a ledger method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "financial markets are zero sum games."

      No, because derivative contracts are a new net financial asset. They increase wealth just as housing and asset price appreciation increases wealth.

    15. Re: Just a ledger method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ripple is a COMPLETELY WORTHLESS SHITCOIN, absolutely NO BETTER than tracked controlled censored locked up inflated and stolen from you FIAT.

      You CANNOT mine Ripple or it's transactions, it's completely centrally controlled SURVEILLED and censorable.

      Adopt ONLY the coins that are decentralized and mineable.
      You can find them with the 'filter non mineable' button on coinmarketcap.

      Obviously some of the more important ones with actual volume and merchant acceptance and even privacy options are, among others:
      Bitcoin Cash BCH, Bitcoin BTC, Ethereum ETH, Zcash ZEC, Monero XMR.

      DO *** NOT *** FALL FOR THE BANKER and GOVERNMENT LIES !!!

      ONLY distributed decentralized p2p coins that YOU posess the PRIVATE KEYS to that YOU MINE and run FULL NODES to support... THOSE are the ONLY coins that will help you attain FREEDOM in your lifetime.

      FUCK the BANKS.
      And FUCK the Governments.
      They're both entirely and completely worthless murdering thieves.
      FUCK THEM.

    16. Re:Just a ledger method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      JPMORGAN COIN is a COMPLETELY WORTHLESS SHITCOIN, absolutely NO BETTER than tracked controlled censored locked up inflated and stolen from you FIAT.

      You CANNOT mine it or it's transactions, it's completely centrally controlled SURVEILLED and censored tracked and logged forever. It's godamned SATAN COIN.

      Adopt ONLY the coins that are DECENTRALIZED and MINEABLE.
      You can find them with the 'filter non mineable' button on coinmarketcap.
      There is not a SINGLE FUCKING REASON to not be adopting decentralized coins.

      Obviously some of the more important ones with actual volume and merchant acceptance and even privacy options are, among others:
      Bitcoin Cash BCH, Bitcoin BTC, Ethereum ETH, Zcash ZEC, Monero XMR.

      DO *** NOT *** FALL FOR THE BANKER and GOVERNMENT LIES !!!

      ONLY distributed decentralized p2p coins that YOU posess the PRIVATE KEYS to that YOU MINE and run FULL NODES to support... THOSE are the ONLY coins that will help you attain FREEDOM in your lifetime.

      FUCK the BANKS.
      And FUCK the Governments.
      They're both entirely and completely worthless murdering thieves.
      FUCK THEM.

    17. Re:Just a ledger method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you spell "scheme"?

    18. Re:Just a ledger method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      software engineers as economists, what could go wrong

    19. Re: Just a ledger method by greylion3 · · Score: 1

      Obviously some of the more important ones with actual volume and merchant acceptance and even privacy options are, among others:
      Bitcoin Cash BCH, Bitcoin BTC, Ethereum ETH, Zcash ZEC, Monero XMR.

      You should read up on the history of Bitcoin Cash / BCH. It's clearly an attempt to capitalize on the Bitcoin name, with very little relevance to the original Bitcoin.
      Avoiding it would be wise.

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    20. Re:Just a ledger method by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      That actually leads to a market failure. Currency becomes more-valuable, thus people store currency to retain value. There's less and less currency, and wages must go down so people receive less currency. Currency quickly becomes scarce, and you get a recession--that's what 1930, 2008, and the others were.

      Debt compounds this. If a house requires 30,000 hours of total aggregate labor--producing all materials, shipping them, assembling them, etc.--then a middle-income person must work 15 years to purchase a house. That means a loan with a minimum 15-year term. The bank's interest is in having greater purchasing power at the end of the loan term, so the worker must pay more than the house is worth. The home itself will also lose currency price. As a result, people's loans will come at a fixed rate as usual, while their income decreases, making the loan an ever-larger part of their income--or else they simply will never be able to purchase houses and cars.

      In practice, it's more like 10,000 of aggregate labor, and you spend 1/3 of your income on your mortgage, so it's 15 years for the cost of the house and another 5 years or so for the cost of the mortgage. We buy bigger houses than that these days, so we stretch it out across more years; a lot goes to interest, still, in a 30-year versus a 15-year fixed.

      Inflation, fiat, and debt solve most of these problems because they're inherently matters of liquidity and money. We use a 2% inflation target, but 5% would be a better target.

  5. shelf life? by sheramil · · Score: 1

    Anyone want to run a book on just how long JPMCoin is a thing?

    ...these our actors, As I foretold you, were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air...

    1. Re:shelf life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      47 seconds.

    2. Re:shelf life? by greylion3 · · Score: 1

      Anyone want to run a book on just how long JPMCoin is a thing?

      As long as it's used internally only, it could theoretically be used indefinitely.

      My guess is, it's going to be used as a more hack-proof bank account system.

      This way, even in the most corrupt branch office, all account balances and transactions are registered in a tamper-proof blockchain.
      I wonder how banks kept all that straight before, without it.

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    3. Re: shelf life? by jojo310 · · Score: 1

      protocol and set of rules to exchange and approve a ledger, however you might be right, they might not bother with all this tokens creation to reward transactions pro https://xender.pro/ https://discord.software/ https://omegle.onl/

  6. Diversify by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    That's why you diversify your "investment" with other cryptocurrencies. Like back in the tulip bulb craze, the smart ones diversified with different tulip bulbs and they made out .... never mind.

  7. Follow the coins by bobm · · Score: 1

    My take is that IBM is pushing hard to get blockchain working and is really running this. They think that it's a viable product even if it isn't.

    Never underestimate the power of a golf game in getting stupid stuff implemented.

    1. Re:Follow the coins by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      Either that or JPM has figured out the advantages to issuing their own currency, er, excuse me, crypto coins.

      Question is which happens first: they lose interest or regulatory agencies gain interest.

  8. Banks & Cryptocurrency go well together. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All criminals love this shit.

    1. Re:Banks & Cryptocurrency go well together. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      criminals also love expensive cars nice clothes and fancy restaurants
      so what

    2. Re:Banks & Cryptocurrency go well together. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      found the libtard

  9. is it the wrong way? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the 1st U.S. bank that willl try to replace U.S. dollars with crypto coins.

  10. 2016 called.. they dont care either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck JP Morgan and all those 1% cunts.

  11. Money laundry with own crypto currency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will be an offer for special customers

  12. Not even close to first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are over 200 actual banks using Ripple right now. Ripple is owned by Santander bank.

  13. Translation (IMHO): by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Look people! Big banks started to create their own cryptocurrencies! It is only a matter of time for all big banks & Wall Street & whole public (of whole world) to start investing all their (life) savings in Bitcoin!!!"

    @HODLers:

    Bitcoin & all its cryptocurrency offsprings are dying!

    They are all just a global internet scam!

    Stop listening to cryptocurrency shills everywhere & SELL ASAP (unless you want to lose all your cryptocurrency investments completely)!!!

  14. Military Threats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That explains why some guys I saw at lunch were so pissed. Many people for over a year have said: "Any organization that attempts to force the use of a crypto currency is mandating a military response upon itself. A Crypto currency is the single biggest threat to freedom the world has ever known, which could in effect completely nullify the U.S. Constitution; it's far too much power in far too few hands."

    The banks have already proven to be untrustworthy

    1. Re:Military Threats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That statement refers to use of a Bitcoin type crypto, which has its own limited money supply. The J P Morgan offering is a stablecoin, tied to the dollar, so that nobody will use it as an investment.

  15. Big deal! by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I haven't yet found any strip clubs that accept cryptocurrency!

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    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    1. Re:Big deal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're not going to the right places. I know 5 in TJ alone.

    2. Re: Big deal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh you are applying the 80-20 rule, which means you could probably find one

    3. Re:Big deal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing. Because your bank would know you were at a strip club, and they would share the information with your insurance company who in turn would raise your rates, and if a serious crime took place in the area, you would be added to the suspect list. In fact they would look at a pattern of every place you made a purchase and see if you bought any guns, or were at the same place with any other suspects in the area so you could be blames as being in on something.

      Think it can't happen? Then ask yourself why then do they need a ledger linking to your purchases?

    4. Re:Big deal! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I thought Legends was legendary for this?

      Maybe just among people who follow crypto tech.

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    5. Re: Big deal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But will it get me a subscription rate for the strip club instead of paying cover and a seat right next to the pole?

    6. Re:Big deal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trader Joe's has strip clubs?

    7. Re:Big deal! by raftpeople · · Score: 1

      maybe you should invent strippocurrency

    8. Re:Big deal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm.... been to New York City lately?
      How about Berlin?
      And holy shit don't even get me on about Tokyo and Hong Kong.
      If you can't find a club or entertainer who doesn't accept cryptocurrency, you're either not looking hard enough, or not fucking horny, or not appreciative, or broke.

  16. NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A ledger of my purchases and transactions is none of their business. There is no reason to link a ledger to any currency except to use it to control people, and we have had quite enough of that thank you very much.

    Crypto currency is a trap being staged by the NWO. If Hitler had crypto currency technology, there wouldn't be a jew left alive in Europe.

    If Pol-pot came to power today and he decided you and your children had to die, you wouldn't be able to buy gas, food, shelter, medicine, guns or ammo. As soon as you stopped at Gas station #27, the ledger will show where you are at. not only would you have to worry about a bunch of stormtroopers showing up, but the purchase would simply be denied.

    Many will argue that the government and central banks can't read the ledger of bitcoin. But they will be able to read the ledger of Fedcoin, or Phoenix, whatever the official one ends up being. As for the rest, the banks will simply be directed to not accept bitcoin, and then the walmarts will no longer accept it, nor will the gas stations, etc. etc. And the other crypto's will have government goons show up and point guns at them to arrest them and seize control.

    There are some indications that Bitcoin was made by the Federal Reserve. We can't truely verify who created it, so it could be them, completely under fed control already.

    Stay away from ALL crypto currencies, or the central bankers will have so much power over you that the ENTIRE U.S. Constitution will in effect be null and void.

    1. Re: NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what you are referring to exists.... as credit cards. Privacycoins are all about annonomity.

  17. So it's just like the simple folk do by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

    The cryptocurrency, called "JPM Coin," is intended for the bank's wholesale payments business that moves $6 trillion around the world daily.

    So it's more like how regular people actually use money -- to buy groceries, pay your friend back for the clubbing night, etc., and not as its own investment vehicle. Except it's, uh 3 6 9, about 10-11 orders of magnitude larger. How adorable.

  18. Hope by techdolphin · · Score: 1

    I hope it does not end up being a subprime cryptocurrency.

    1. Re:Hope by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      I hope it does not end up being a subprime cryptocurrency.

      Unlike those real cryptocurrencies that use real primes for their cryptography.

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      Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
  19. Re: Dimon's first comment was right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perfect! We can get settled in to dogecoin and add JPM coin to the mix.

  20. Experts in Dubious Securities... by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    JP Morgan: Because if you're going to print money, why not leave it to the experts.

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    One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
    1. Re:Experts in Dubious Securities... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Introducing FraudCoin from JPMorgan. "Skip the middle man and just give us your money directly. We won't run off with it. Pinky swear."

  21. Designed to Circumvent Laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is basically their in-house version of XRP, which was developed with the sole purpose of laundering money around international transfer laws. Since it is not really money, it is not governed by those international laws.

    One thing that remains true is that cryptocurrency is a tool of criminals.

  22. Small fish in a big pond by Thelaststraw · · Score: 2

    When the big boys get involved in something, you know it's time to get out. They have the resources(bought politicians, computing power, brain power) to fleece everyone.

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    Nothing to see here, move along please.
  23. If you can't beat 'em by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Smear them with your shit

  24. An Interesting Parallel Settlement Network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One possible motivation for setting up a network like this is to transfer value between foreign branches without having to go through the traditional SWIFT networks or other formal international exchange methods, electronic or otherwise. How might this be useful? I can think of a few benefits:

    1. Transactions can be made without actually converting currencies. The transaction is converted into "JPM Coins" from the local currency in country A and "JPM Coins" in country B are converted to that local currency in the destination country. This allows for the possibility that the conversion is made at rates other than those officially sanctioned. In this respect it would be similar to the Islamic practice of Hawala which also bypasses the banking system.

    2. Transactions could be routed around sanctions by avoiding direct conversions between say US dollars and banned local currencies, especially if foreign institutions acquire their own supply of "JPM Coins".

    3. Transactions in "JPM Coins" could also potentially be used to bypass taxes, dodge capital controls or avoid fees associated with more traditional money transfer systems.

    There may be other benefits as well, but that's what I could think of on a first pass.