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The LG G8 Has a Vibrating OLED Screen For a Speaker (arstechnica.com)

LG's next upcoming flagship smartphone is the LG G8, which is expected to debut at Mobile World Congress at the end of the month. While much of the phone is similar to last year's model, LG yesterday announced some news on the phone's audio capabilities. "The phone uses the same 'Crystal Sound OLED' branding that LG has used on some of its TVs before; this means that the entire display will vibrate to work as a speaker, which was previously rumored," reports The Verge. "The news also confirms that the G8 will be the first flagship G-series phone not to use an LCD." From the report: The G8 still has a bottom-facing speaker for louder use cases like speakerphone calls, and LG says this can be paired with the top part of the screen for 2-channel stereo sound. Elsewhere, the signature quad DAC from LG's recent flagship phones returns -- which means there'll be a headphone jack -- as does the "Boombox Speaker" functionality that produces surprisingly bassy sound when the phone is placed on a table. LG has already confirmed that the G8 will have a front-facing 3D camera with a time-of-flight sensor, while rumors suggest there could be an optional second screen accessory.

53 comments

  1. LG is the worst. by hirschma · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sure would be nice if they could release OS/security updates as quickly as new hardware. LG is the worst.

    1. Re:LG is the worst. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      LG is the worst.

      The digitizer failed on my Nexus 4 (LG E960). How much more rapidly will this cause the digitizer to fail on these devices?

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    2. Re:LG is the worst. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      yep; i bought previous lg flagship... never again

      the hardware was great but even simple android security updates lagged months behind release and after two years they stopped releasing updates at all

    3. Re: LG is the worst. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LG is the worst - just wanted to nod in agreement lol

    4. Re:LG is the worst. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should try Lenovo. Then you'd have a new worst.

    5. Re:LG is the worst. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd suspect no change in screen / touch longevity. This technology has been available in Kyocera phones for years. My KC-701T is still working fine after over 3 years of abuse and neglect.

  2. Just in time for Valentine's Day... by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 2

    An 8K HDTV with a built-in vibrator. My pixellated girlfriend will be so happy.

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    3. Re:Just in time for Valentine's Day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    4. Re:Just in time for Valentine's Day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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      For a final project in Small Group Communications, my four Vietnamese classmates appointed me to do all the work and be the speaker because I was white. So I did all the work and spoke in front of the class. Our instructor, a black woman, gave me all their credit for the assignment and forced them to retake the class. They screamed "white privilige" all the way to administration and their complaint landed on deaf ears. They couldn't prove that they did anything to merit a grade and cheerleading from the back of the room doesn't count.

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  3. My phone has this. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    The Kyocera Hydro Vibe, I bought in 2015, has a vibrating screen instead of a regular ear speaker and it's not super, but I believe it helps with its water-proof certification [Certified waterproof for IPX5, and IPX7. Immersible for up to 30 minutes in up to 3.28 feet (1 meter).]. For best results, you need to hold the phone FIRMLY against your ear (experimenting for best placement). It does also have a rear speaker for speaker-phone use -- as well as a freaking headphone jack -- and they work great.

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    1. Re:My phone has this. by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      For best results, you need to hold the phone FIRMLY against your ear (experimenting for best placement).

      Strange, I would have thought the advantage of using the screen as speaker was better and louder sound, since it has the whole screen area to vibrate (like a ribbon speaker)... I guess it doesn't travel enough to really get very loud.

      Most modern phones are equally waterproof with speakers, so if it's not really got a sound quality advantage I wonder why they are sticking with that approach?

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    2. Re:My phone has this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kendall you don't need to post every time you have no idea, it's redundancy personified.

    3. Re:My phone has this. by Narcocide · · Score: 2

      It might be hard to believe this, but the materials that modern speakers are made of these days are very close to the theoretical optimal balance between durability and flexibility. They're doing this because they can make the phone tougher by sacrificing some sound quality. My concern is just that any video with too much bass is gonna blur the screen, so they've actually in one fell swoop sabotaged both the viewing quality and the listening quality with a cost-cutting feature they're gonna be able to trick people into paying extra for.

      Disgusting. And to think that there's people in this thread afraid the worst problems will be delayed access to firmware updates. What a joke.

    4. Re: My phone has this. by aliquis · · Score: 1

      It definitely have a greater area but the weight vs area and range of motion may be crap vs mylar or whatever.

  4. It's my speaker and ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    ... I can wear it anywhere I want to.

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    1. Re:It's my speaker and ... by aybiss · · Score: 1

      I like small speakers,
      I like tall speakers.

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    2. Re:It's my speaker and ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      This new TV will be "speaker of the house."

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  5. My smartphone has BOTH a Vibrator AND a Speaker! by ffkom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And of course, a display too! Two SIM-slots, replaceable battery, SD-slot, LTE. It cost ~ 110,- EUR when it was new.

    Seriously, these so called "flagships" are worse than much older phones in most of the criteria that matter to me.

  6. Vibration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And it's got ridges for HER pleasure!

  7. The LG G8 Has a Speaker for an OLED screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMG

  8. Already been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kyocera did this a few years ago, called it Smart Sonic it worked ok but not great, sounded a bit garbled, they eventually went back to conventional speakers , as the voice and sound quality was sub standard,

  9. Re:Can I shove it up my ass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #commentFail

  10. Still has the notch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now all we need is to migrate the pixels to quantum dots, so that we can have a screen that can also act as a camera and we can get rid of that god awful notch.

  11. Exploit coming to an LG phone near you: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    Specially-crafted sound file, at exactly the resonant frequency and maximum amplitude, that shatters your display-speaker.

    1. Re:Exploit coming to an LG phone near you: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Resonant frequency doesn't work that way or our planet would be pieces of dust long ago.

      You need far less energy at a resonant frequency to break a crystal but the amount needed here would be very high indeed.

    2. Re:Exploit coming to an LG phone near you: by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Goodluck.

    3. Re:Exploit coming to an LG phone near you: by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Actually that's *exactly* how resonant frequency works - there's just a limiting factor to consider - damping, or how effectively the item in question can shed the energy it's receiving. At non-resonant frequencies internal destructive interference provides its own damping, but that's dramatically reduced or eliminated at resonant frequencies

      Fluids are generally great dampers - they'll convert vibrational energy into internal turbulence, and thence heat. Which is why the Earth doesn't shatter, it's basically a big ball of dissimilar fluids with an incredibly thin eggshell crust floating on the outside. (Well, that and the fact that you'd have to accelerate any broken fragments to escape velocity or they'd just re-coallesce - but it'd take something pretty outrageous for that to become a factor - like the impact that created the moon from fragments that couldn't quite escape completely - but that has nothing to do with vibration)

      Suspend a completely undamped crystal in a vacuum, agitate it with a tiny signal at its resonant frequency, and the standing waves will just keep building until it shatters. Do the same thing in air (a fluid), and you've got a fair chance that the vibrational energy can be shed as sound waves and dissipated in the air faster than new energy is being added. But not necessarily - hence the glass-shattering effect of singers who can hold a sustained note at their resonant frequency long and loudly enough.

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    4. Re:Exploit coming to an LG phone near you: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      "..or our planet would be pieces of dust long ago"
      LOL, you actually consider the Earth to be some solid mass of all the same material or something? Hilarious.
      Have to admit, though, you write pretty close to an adult, for a 4th grader.

  12. Genuine innovation by Tough+Love · · Score: 0

    Genuine innovation. Why can't Apple with all its riches and self described innovative genius, come with anything the least bit interesting?

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    1. Re:Genuine innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardly innovative. It's a piezo transducer on the back of the OLED panel. Not like that hasn't been done before.

    2. Re:Genuine innovation by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Who did it before?

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    3. Re:Genuine innovation by Immerman · · Score: 1

      There's at least one example listed near the top of this discussion

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    4. Re:Genuine innovation by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      So, done once before for the purpose of waterproofing. Now, done by LG for the purpose of having good audio quality (which the Kyocera did not) while saving front panel space. Why is that not genuine innovation?

      Sure beats round corners :)

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    5. Re: Genuine innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not Apple, it's you

    6. Re: Genuine innovation by Tough+Love · · Score: 0

      It's never Apple, according to Apple.

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    7. Re:Genuine innovation by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Sure does. But that's an awful low bar to cross.

      Mostly I was just making sure you didn't overlook a comment with a possible answer.

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    8. Re: Genuine innovation by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      It's never Apple, according to Apple.

      And Apple astroturfers make me sick. How Apple of you.

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  13. Is there an actual point to this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This seems gimmicky - basically like most phone hardware and software “innovation” nowadays (*cough* 3-D emoji *cough*). Heck, at least based on the summary this would appear to be a significant step downward from a real speaker in terms of quality. Is there an actual, practical advantage to the consumer in doing this?

  14. Where's the app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... the entire display will vibrate ...

    Where's the app to turn this into a sex-toy?

  15. versus LG android customizations by digitect · · Score: 2

    While I like LG hardware as a reasonable price-feature middle ground (currently using a V35), their customized Android negates any real enthusiasm.Volume button doesn't work on lock screen? Can't set a temporary DND? Worlds most baffling settings menu? Literally a dozen useless apps that can't be uninstalled redundant with native Android, except with less features and poorer interface? Spastic colors? I"m not interested in rooting my own version, why can't LG figure this out?

    Every time I buy an LG phone I promise myself I won't by another one. And about every 5 years I forget that promise only to make it again.

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    1. Re:versus LG android customizations by G00F · · Score: 2

      Volume button doesn't work on lock screen?

      That's a feature, one that prevents you from missing calls because while in your pocket/purse the volume doesn't go down.

      It's locked, things shouldn't be allowed to changed while locked.

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    2. Re:versus LG android customizations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Volume button doesn't work on lock screen?

      That's a feature, one that prevents you from missing calls because while in your pocket/purse the volume doesn't go down.

      It's locked, things shouldn't be allowed to changed while locked.

      So make like my Moto E5 Play and make it so whole locked the volume can only be adjusted one step per button press. I often play music on my phone while I have it locked so as to save battery by not having the screen going or leaving it unlocked so other people can see message notifications, having to pull my phone out or go to where it's charging to unlock the phone every time I needed to adjust the volume is just stupid.

  16. Re:Can I shove it up my ass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you shove it up your ass?

    I don't know. Please live stream an attempt.

  17. Re: My smartphone has BOTH a Vibrator AND a Speake by aliquis · · Score: 1

    They have better cameras for once which matter for me.

    More ram, faster, better displays, water and dust resistant, faster.

    Where they fail is having glass and price.

  18. Wrong problem to solve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As is the case with TVs, if you care about sound quality at all, you don't use the built-in speakers; you send the audio to your receiver and have it drive your much better quality speakers.

    For a phone--if you care about sound quality (eg, listening to music), then you use an external pair of headphones, or your home receiver or car radio. For actual calls, what everybody's got is already more than good enough (unless there's something really wrong with your phone). You *cannot* get good quality audio in that form factor--not wasting research money in that area means you can make (and sell me) a phone for less money.