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Gravitational Wave Detectors Upgraded To Hunt For 'Extreme Cosmic Events' (cnet.com)

The Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO) facilities, residing in Washington and Louisiana, will be upgraded via grants from the U.S. National Science Foundation, UK Research and Innovation and the Australian Research Council -- providing stronger, more frequent detections and decreasing noise. CNET reports: Over $34 million will be provided for the upgrade which makes LIGO sound like the latest iPhone. When it is complete, LIGO will go from its crusty old 2015 "Advanced LIGO" phase to the "Advanced LIGO Plus" phase. LIGO's twin facilities both contain two 4-kilometer long arms that use lasers to detect minute disturbances caused by extremely energetic cosmic events -- like black holes merging. The incredibly high-powered events are responsible for gravitational waves, rippling out through spacetime the same way water does when you drop a rock in a pond. By the time they reach Earth, the ripples are so small that only incredibly tiny disturbances in LIGO's lasers can detect them.

The proposed upgrades will greatly increase the number of events that LIGO will detect. With only 11 under its belt so far, [David Reitze, executive director of LIGO] even expects we might see "black hole mergers on a daily basis" and describes neutron star mergers becoming "much more frequent." All that extra power adds up, hopefully revealing some of the cosmos' deepest, darkest secrets.
In September 2015, LIGO provided the first evidence for a black hole merger -- and in turn, the existence of gravitational waves -- just four days after a three-year long upgrade. Since then, LIGO has seen 10 black hole mergers and a single, huge collision between two incredibly dense stars, known as neutron stars.

53 comments

  1. guest list by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am also interested in these "extreme cosmic events", but would like to know if there's going to be a cash bar and/or bottle service and any dress code. Last time I went to one of those things I got wasted on K and had the dry mouth and all they had was weird fruit juices and herbal teas.

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    1. Re:guest list by Sneftel · · Score: 1

      Man, you shouldn't miss it. Last one I was at, these two neutron stars got smashed and were totally going at it.

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    2. Re:guest list by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Your lame "jokes" are worse than those of AOC. Pathetic, really.

      The data suggest otherwise.

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    3. Re: guest list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you went to the shitty cosmic events, mine were in the forest or the mountains and we got wasted on the same things the Indians did 500 years ago. Sometimes expanding into L as well. But "bottle service" was the last thing on my mind. That sounds more like a Lil Wayne video.

    4. Re: guest list by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      That sounds more like a Lil Wayne video.

      Where do I sign up to go to a Li'l Wayne video?

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  2. Information overload by Arzaboa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find it fascinating that we can view objects exploding and combining billions of miles away because stuff on planet earth changes position.

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    1. Re:Information overload by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that the Earth changes position, it's the size changes. It's even cooler than you thought!

    2. Re:Information overload by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, time also bends.

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  3. Could we add resolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And direction?

    You know... this is just a one pixel device.
    I would love to see a video of a 1024x1024x1024 voxel interferometer

    Maybe in my lifetime?

    1. Re:Could we add resolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For better direction, we need to build GW detectors at least at the 6 vertices of an octaedron.
        Three vertices have to be in the southern hemisphere (Antarctica being excluded for obvious logistics reason) in Australia (eastern part preferable), Africa (South Africa/Namibia/Botswana, or even Madagascar) and South America (Patagonia, preferably in Argentina, since the Chilean coast is very seismically active). The other 3 vertices have to be in the northern hemisphere, ideally at longitudes interlaced from the 3 southern ones, this means one in Russia, and one in the US, I believe the one in Washington is quite suitable, although a bit more to the North might be better, for the last one; the intermediate longitude falls in Iceland (seismically active) or Greenland (not easy for logistics). For the last one,, there is no optimal choice, Açores islands are a too southern and are really small, West Africa (Mauritania/Senegal) is too much to the South, maybe Ireland is not that bad after all.
      Oh yes, and because of the polarization properties of the gravitational waves, you'd need to build 2 interferometers at each site, with the arms 45 apart, to detect everything.
      So this is 12 interferometers, and a lot of money, but not beyond the reach of a world size organization. First optimize the current design, than the cost of the copies will be significantly lower, with reasonable angular resolution. Great science would come out of it.
       

    2. Re:Could we add resolution? by Sique · · Score: 1

      Actually, we have both. LIGO consists of two interferometers, and it cooperates with other interferometers to provide resolution and direction. A single interferometer couldn't make a difference between a truck driving around, an earthquake and a gravitational event far away. Just because there is a second one 2000 miles away allows to make a difference between a local event and a cosmic event and gives a first glance at direction. And with a third one on another continent, you can also triangulate the direction.

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    3. Re:Could we add resolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you look inwards too? i.e. towards that inner solid earths core?

    4. Re:Could we add resolution? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Can you look inwards too? i.e. towards that inner solid earths core?

      You can't NOT look inwards. B-)

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    5. Re:Could we add resolution? by epine · · Score: 1

      Boy did you not get the memo on how this thing actually works.

      LIGO searches for an extremely precise signal known as a "ring down" which is entirely unlike any kind of dump truck doing anything dump trucks do.

      The problem is somewhat different: a dump truck plus exactly the right random noise might produce a nun-bun artifact in the shape of a ring down.

      So it certainly helps to corroborate detections by having multiple detectors.

      Grave doubts over LIGO's discovery of gravitational waves — 31 October 2018

      I'm not going to read that article again just now, but as I recall it, the detection algorithm is not detecting objects at the two main LIGO installations independently, so that the detections corroborate each other, but combining both signals into what amounts to a single instrument (basically into a single sigma budget, rather than separate sigma budgets).

      Secondly, the search is template-driven, scanning for exactly the kinds of ring-downs they expect (hope) to find.

      Between these two things, it's certainly possible into deceiving yourself into thinking you've detected something you haven't detected.

      (I haven't followed up on this data analysis challenge recently.)

      Finally, the cosmic directionality of the two LIGO machines is terrible. I forget the exact number, but between the two machines, you get something like a giant banana whose length is 20% of the sky.

      The Direction of LIGO's Gravitational Waves — 6 March 2016

      That provides an introduction, but does not quantify the banana in square degrees that I can see on a quick revisit.

      Ideally we would have four machines, and the machines would be partitioned for independent detection. Once the detection is confirmed to the same sigma twice, then all four machines can be combined into a single directional assessment, and then we can get hot onto neutron-star mergers in visible light.

  4. Re:Should be looking for E.T. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correct. If anything, the evidence of "gravitational waves" is an evidence of a field with a carrier particle, which directly puts a cross on the grave of the "Einstein theory", a hypothesis that even Einstein threw out. The space is not "curved", time is separate, and gravitation is a field like EM. There are no "black holes", and Hawking was just a cripple with a preprogrammed dictionary.

    Welcome back, Galilean space!

  5. Re:Should be looking for E.T. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God made ALL life in the universe.

  6. Re:Comparing it to the iPhone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You could aswell have "I'm a clueless douche" stamped on your forehead." - Kendall, in their nomenclature.

  7. Re:I feel the gravitational waves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She's been dead for a few decades... You must be "feeling" the dick of your president in your asshole.

  8. Re:Comparing it to the iPhone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aw, look at the cute little man who thinks he know shit about shit, but all he actually does it parrot what the internet has told him.

  9. Not sure we need a detector by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    when the next comet splashes into earth, we'll probably notice without the help of a detector.

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  10. Upgraded? How? by HuskyDog · · Score: 2

    It is great that LIGO will be upgraded and able to detect more events, but that is all that the article says. Can anyone provide a link to a slightly more technical article which explains how it will be upgraded and why these upgrades will make it more sensitive?

  11. Re: Comparing it to the iPhone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That referred to the name, not the technology. That said, I don't think apple is using that kind of ever extend naming scheme. Some other better fitting comparison could haven been found.

  12. Re:Upgraded? How? by Mal-2 · · Score: 4, Informative
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  13. Non-cosmic Inflation by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Over $34 million will be provided for the upgrade which makes LIGO sound like the latest iPhone.

    I know Apple has been putting up their prices but if $34 million sounds like an iPhone upgrade then things have clearly got out of hand.

    1. Re: Non-cosmic Inflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has a warranty I hope

    2. Re:Non-cosmic Inflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Over $34 million will be provided for the upgrade which makes LIGO sound like the latest iPhone.

      I know Apple has been putting up their prices but if $34 million sounds like an iPhone upgrade then things have clearly got out of hand.

      This has nothing to do with money: The LIGO facilities are exactly the same as iphones, literally the same thing - li-i-i-terally! : )

  14. Re:Upgraded? How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm the new snowflake sensor, you not-that-sensitive clod.

  15. They'll be able to detect my neighbour's wife... by ffkom · · Score: 1

    ... and daughter colliding at the local supermarket checkout.
    Their masses really qualifies this for being an "extreme cosmic event" :-)

  16. How about more facilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's great that they're going to make the existing facilities more sensitive, but the only we'll be able to pinpoint where these events are coming from is if we get more facilities. Maybe in in the Northeast U.S. or Canada? South America? Africa? Australia? All excellent candidates for helping us pinpoint where these signals originate, allowing us to direct other telescopes (esp. radio, gamma ray, x-ray, and optical) so that we can see light from these events, when possible.

    1. Re:How about more facilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would indeed be nice to put some in the southern hemisphere, Australia and South Africa already have SKA sites, which are in flat, desert, and radio quiet areas. Putting a gravitational wave detector in these places would improve angular resolution, and not be insanely expensive (sharing some support infrastructure).

  17. Re:Should be looking for E.T. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gravitational waves does not prove a carrier particle. There is no carrier particle for a wave in the sea either.

    Now, having particles and fields similiar to EM is a possibility - but certainly not the only one.

  18. Re:Should be looking for E.T. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no carrier particle for a wave in the sea either.

    The waves in the sea are a very different (macroscopic and classical) phenomenon from the "gravity waves" discussed above, so you're pushing a very faulty analogy.

    Although if you go deep enough, you'll realize that the macroscopic wave is the sum of the interactions of a bunch of electrons in the outer shells of the atoms in the water molecules, and that these electrons interact via carrier particles - the venerable virtual photons.

    So, yeah, you're very wrong and on many levels.

    Stop wasting time here, go get an education instead.

  19. What I'm waiting for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "LIGO will go from its crusty old 2015 "Advanced LIGO" phase to the "Advanced LIGO Plus" phase."

    When will it go to the "Advanced LIGO Double Plus Good" phase?

  20. Re: Should be looking for E.T. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a coincidence

    34 million dollars is the likely retail price of the next iPhone... Just because iPhone buyers will pay absolutely anything to own the next iPhone... Even IF it has less features than an old Nokia feature phone

  21. Re:Upgraded? How? by HuskyDog · · Score: 1

    Thank you for that. I watched this hour long lecture and I can't deny that it was interesting. However, it was produced two years ago and whilst the speaker discusses possible future upgrades in general terms, he covers those which might be applied over the next 20 years. It is not at all clear which are the ones covered by this new funding.

  22. Re:there is one planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Creimette is too busy making YouTube videos and studying for the Windows 10 certification after work.

  23. Re:Upgraded? How? by ChumpusRex2003 · · Score: 2

    https://www.nature.com/article...

    The major technology currently being tuned at advanced LIGO (aLIGO) is "squeezed light" - manipulation of the quantum state of the light, so as to decrease phase uncertainty. Due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, this comes at the cost of increased amplitude uncertainty. The phase uncertainty is an important source of noise at high frequencies (which are more interesting), but the amplitude uncertainty manifests as low frequency noise (due to pressure on the mirrors), so this is a reasonable tradeoff.

    The next step being developed for future upgrades(termed aLIGO+), is frequency dependent squeezing - the quadrature of the squeezing (i.e. it's direction in the amplitude/phase plane) can be made to rotate over time. This has the extraordinary effect of squeezing so as to reduce amplitude uncertainty at low frequencies, while reducing phase uncertainty at high frequencies (i.e. improving noise at all frequencies)

    http://www.apc.univ-paris7.fr/...

  24. sensationalist language does science no favours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "black holes", "gravitational waves", "high powered events".
    Terms such as these don't help anyone. For instance, Einstein did away with gravity. There is no gravity. We have warped spacetime.
    But then, SpaceTime is a world made up of two abstract concepts. So how can you bend or warp a thought? So more meaningless answers, as if it were something real instead of some placeholder in an equation that people have been arguing over for the last 100 years.
    Given that gravity itself is warped "space-time", then what the hell is a gravitational wave? a double warped space-time? What are we to make of black holes when Einstein himself vehemently denied the possibility of their existence in papers written back in 1939, I believe?
    It's little wonder we find it so hard to get kids interested in Science, when science is full of meaningless jargon, and sensationalist headlines where every new photo from space seems to be shocking of reveals some yet unknown forces at play. All the while, we tell the kids we know what we're doing, that science is settled, and we're just waiting for the loose ends to be tied up, when to the more discerning among us, the truth seems to be quite different from that being taught as truth in the education systems of this world today.
    Get back to empirical science - testable science, and let the mathematicians dream all they like. I'm just waiting for the house of cards to fall. Next, they'll be telling us there's a virtually limitless supply of electricity in space! No, wait, that's already been said. Damn! What could be more sensational than that?

    Given we clearly know nothing about gravity, or why mass imparts gravity to matter (or is it the other way around?) then how can we be so sure of what we think we're measuring at the LIGO detectors?

    1. Re:sensationalist language does science no favours by meglon · · Score: 1

      What i always wonder about.... is it just the electric universe idiot cultists who post stupid crap like you just did, or is there some other group of cultist idiots out there that don't know any actual science who keep talking about how everything we know is wrong, despite the civilization we've built on that knowledge?

      I mean, because you don't know dick about physics, maybe because the word are too big for you or something... doesn't mean the physics is wrong. It just means you're intentionally stupid.

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    2. Re:sensationalist language does science no favours by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Einstein did not do away with gravity, just better explained it. Gravity is an observed phenomena, you can't just make an observation disappear. Even without relativity, one of Einstein's thought experiments proved gravity is not a force. Forces can be measured with an accelerometer. Gravity cannot. Use an accelerometer on an object in orbit and no acceleration is measured. If gravity was a force, acceleration would be measured. Not to mention that acceleration takes energy. If an object in orbit was actually accelerating, it would have nearly infinite energy.

    3. Re:sensationalist language does science no favours by CrypticSteel · · Score: 1

      Typical Electric Universe crap.

  25. Re: They'll be able to detect my neighbour's wife. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're not much thinner than they are, and your mom... They use her to calibrate LIGO.

  26. Re: sensationalist language does science no favour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's not saying what we know is wrong, he's saying that journalists and grade school teachers are misrepresenting what scientists publish when they retweet...

  27. Re:I feel the gravitational waves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How did you know about President Duterte's wrongdoings?

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