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1,100 Schools Now Scan Social Media For Violent Students - and Alcohol Use (usatoday.com)

In the hunt for potential acts of student violence, "schools are increasingly turning to artificial intelligence-backed solutions," reports USA Today. Bark Technologies, Gaggle.Net, and Securly Inc. are three companies that employ AI and machine learning to scan student emails, texts, documents, and in some cases, social media activity. They look for warning signs of cyber bullying, sexting, drug and alcohol use, depression, and to flag students who may pose a violent risk not only to themselves, but classmates. When potential problems are found, and depending on the severity, school administrators, parents -- and under the most extreme cases -- law enforcement officials, are alerted. In the fall of 2017, Bark ran a test pilot with 25 schools. "We found some pretty alarming issues, including a bombing and school shooting threat," says Bark chief parent officer, Titania Jordan....

The Bark product [which monitors more than 25 social media platforms] is free to schools in the U.S. for perpetuity. The company says it can afford to give the service away to schools, because of the money it makes from a version aimed at parents... Bark is currently used in more than 1,100 school districts, covering 2.6 million children. If it detects something that is considered exceedingly severe such as a child abduction or school shooting threat, the issue is escalated to the FBI. According to Jordan, Bark sends out between 35,000 and 55,000 alerts each day, many just instances of profanity. But 16 plausible school shootings have been reported to the FBI since Bark launched its school product last February, she says.

The article notes these solutions have three major limitations:
  • "A school can't police a student's smartphone or other devices outside the ones it issued, unless the student signed into a social media, or other account, using the email or credentials the school provided."
  • "None of the companies USA TODAY talked to for this story claim the ability to catch suspect behavior every time."
  • "Students also are often more tech savvy than their parents and won't tell them about every account they have."

115 comments

  1. Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good!

    If only they had done this when I was a kid going to school in the Santa Clara county, maybe I would still have my upper teeth.

    1. Re: Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything can become corrupted. The key to going forward responsibly in a world that increasingly thinks tech can solve every problem is, if it goes south on everyone, how then do we stop it.

      One of the many scumbags on Reddit is a mod that has been helpful in the past in aiding in identifying some aspects of and underage girl in a pic that was sent to someone erroniously. It helped LE track down the kid and make sure she was safe.

      Pretty awesome outcome, by pretty much everyone's reckoning. Just one small problem though. That mod was a pedo who got involved so he could see if there were more pics and nobody believed that since he was doing a good deed, that he could be capable of also being a horrible person. He used doing a good deed to throw people off. And it worked shockingly well.

    2. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the advertorial post, slashdot

    3. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem Chris, you can definitely count on us to always be there to serve you and help you in your countless ventures.

    4. Re: Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatâ(TM)s your problem? He helped find a girl to make sure she was ok, and he got pictures for his collection. Win win situation.

      People like you make it so that nobody will want to come forward to help in times of need.

    5. Re: Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know his intentions?

    6. Re: Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chris doesn't lack imagination, he has a lot.

    7. Re:Good! by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      if you were really bullied, they would just use this system now to get you expelled.

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      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
  2. And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously, why is it good for the eventually-to-be-grownup pupil to get forced into reconciling themselves to a life of constant surveillance? Is that the message these schools want to convey? Because it's what they're doing.

    1. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by gweihir · · Score: 0

      You know, they probably want to send that message. The US and much of the west is going into totalitarianism and fascism again (probably because it worked so well last time....). Preparing pupils for a society where they have no privacy and any "deviation" will be punished with extreme penalties might be doing pupils a favor.

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    2. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The illusion of privacy you mean. Facebook is opt-in and foolish at this point. Even kids can understand that and must, but also so will "adults" make the same mistake. Crying about the brave new world solves none of it.

      None of this is overreach nor unprecedented by even this government. What's unprecedented is that private companies have control over the intelligence aparatii.

    3. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totalitarianism is ALWAYS right around the corner every time Libtards lose an election, but only seem to actually take over when your favorite Commie buddies are in charge.

    4. Re: And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since we live now in the Surveillance Age and this fact is not going to change, the most sensible thing to do is to get the youth used to it as soon as possible. Watching one's own behavior, speech and manners is now an essential survival trait. The sooner you learn how to function within society, the better.

    5. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fun fact: At least in Yurp it's the lefties that're taking that totalitarian control.

      Yea, the media and government around here are riling up the left against any opposition.

      We've had several violent attacks on right-wing politicians this year alone in Germany: several assualts where groups of thugs attacked right-wing politicians and sent them to the hospital, fire bombing, actual bombing of political offices, open calls for vandalism and election tampering, and so on.

      The left has been fed so much propaganda by state-run media they see themselves as freedom fighters and some imaginary ends justify any means.

    6. Re: And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dont fight Nazi society. Get with the Nazi program.

      Heil Hitlary as mandated by law!

    7. Re: And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very cute rant, as one could expect from a ten years old child, or a retarded adult. The fact that you cannot come up with a rational response validates my point.

    8. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Establishment has weaponized the mentally ill to attack anyone who dares speak common sense. In some cases they just outright pay mentally ill people to incite violence. For the most part though, the propaganda works better as you brainwash more of them at once and don't need any direct dealing with them.

      And as always, they accuse their opponents of doing what they themselves are doing. Claim they are "inciting violence" with their "hate speech and rhetoric".

    9. Re: And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roll over if you want and be a sycophantic sheep. I prefer freedom. I do my best to protect my kids from the propaganda being slung about everywhere, and teach them how to spot the liars and totalitarians who would enslave them. They will learn how to subvert the technology the corrupt use against the people, and turn it around on them.

    10. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by gibbsjoh · · Score: 1

      Oh do fuck off. Pim Fortuyn wasn't some some saviour and he wasn't popped by the "establishment" now was he? "Deep state" - seriously, time to take off the tin foil hat, pal.

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      -- "...I'm a bad guy because I, well, I sing some rock-and-roll songs." M. Manson
    11. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope every single right wing faggot in Europe gets raped to death as you deserve, but I'll settle for killed. By the way, I'm a moderate. You treasonous faggots just need to stop breathing my air, you're useless cunts and need to die.

    12. Re: And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody stops you from trying, be my guest. However, you're on the wrong side of history and tragically out of touch with the majority. In the end, you will have to give up. Do not harbor any delusions about that. You will have to give up and you will suffer a lot for this. Nobody likes to be on the losing side. In the meantime you will have invested time, effort and resources for nothing and will have marked yourself as a weirdo. Adapting is the smart thing to do, nobody sees one grain of sand among a million. However you have this fantasy about being this great hero of the resistance, ok, it's more than a little childish and quite sad but have it your way.

    13. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh fuck off yourself. There's no claim he was a saviour. There is a claim that we missed a lot of debate that wasn't held because it was shouted down and shunned. And that already shows that the establishment is itself ill: They have no arguments so cannot convince and won't hear anybody else make arguments either. There is no room for debate.

      I see you doing the same thing. No arguments, just straight below the belt and kick some more when down.

      And yes, there was a national newspaper that published a claim by some unnamed supposedly ex-AIVD operative that they did have a hand in getting the idiot treehugger riled up enough to do his thing. I'd say that counts as a rumour at least. The character assassination, though, is very clear. The infamous fragment with Marcel van Dam is but one example. No tin foil needed to have seen that.

    14. Re: And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Depressing

    15. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      Here is the odd thing: My friends' kids in high school are quite aware that Facebook sells their stuff.

      Kids are not dumb. They don't really use Facebook other than to interact with the adults. They use other venues. Discord is popular with a lot of private servers. Telegram and Signal are common, and well out of the reach for monitoring services hired by schools.

      I'm sure the next step will be schools demanding their MDM software be used, but eventually phones will start having different VMs, where the school can "own" one container with one SIM card, while the other container actually has all the interesting stuff.

    16. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how do you opt-out from others putting your pics in there especially if you're not user?

    17. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      No. A) It is not "right around the corner", it is a gradual process over decades. And B) this has been going on for a few decades and became obvious in the last one. Stop being stupid.

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    18. Re: And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Killed raped faggot cunt. Yup totally sounds moderate to me

    19. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is an excellent way to train these youngster in circumventing "omnipresent" surveillance. If you've ever visited a country with pervasive government surveillance and censorship, you'll know that the creativity of humans to work around those limitations is almost boundless.

    20. Re:And this is a good idea, because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those damn leftists trying to stop the next Hitler before it becomes another problem.

      numbnuts

  3. Why didn't they do something about it! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is the logical end to those "why didn't they do something about it, all the warning signs were all over social media." Well, now they're doing something about it. They've started - and will never stop - surveillance of human activity for deviant behaviors. If you're thinking this is ripe for abuse by being the one able to define deviant behaviors, you're right. It's basically what happened to England in the plot of "1984". I hope you're happy and you got what you asked for.

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    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    1. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't be using FBork anyway, society dies in narcissism. "That's a CHOICE we need to honor, a right!" - the Libertarian goons.

    2. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      Look, nobody's forcing him to brag online about his violent escapades, but the moment he chooses to do so, other people have the right to use that knowledge. This really has nothing with 1984, where people are forced to disclose their information by ever present eavesdropping.

    3. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      unless the student signed into a social media, or other account, using the email or credentials the school provided

      Tell me. If you create a private social media account online using your work email address, do you expect your work to reset your password and access that private online account you created? No, right? At least, not unless that account was work related.

      If anyone should have access to that secondary account, it should be the parents, not the school.

      Remember that incident where the school would spy on their students using the camera of the school issued laptops while the kids were in the privacy of their own bedrooms. If that incident taught me anything, and numerous other incidents like that one, it's that school administrators/staff are not properly trained to handle the private information of their pupils and also they're definitely not mature enough to handle that information professionally.

    4. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Siri, Alexa, Portal & Google Home?

    5. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this isn't quite the 'logical end'.. that would be when the government starts mandating online account credentials to vote or receive any sort of benefit and when they start arresting people based upon 'potential' (i.e. 'pre crime', ala the short story and film minority report)

    6. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      If you create a private social media account online using your work email address

      Then you're (not you personally, but the one who does what you said) an idiot.

      School issued laptops

      Unless they're used for programming lessons, I don't understand why they are issued.

      Maybe I just don't understand modern education, what can I say.

    7. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unless the student signed into a social media, or other account, using the email or credentials the school provided

      Tell me. If you create a private social media account online using your work email address, do you expect your work to reset your password and access that private online account you created? No, right? At least, not unless that account was work related.

      That would be my expectation EVEN THOUGH I RESIDE IN A FREE COUNTRY AND NOT THE USA.

    8. Re: Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked in the field and quit as I couldn't stand the spying as the spying isn't properly explained to the students and breaks any privacy they have. The company's are also not forthright on how they deal with the data they glean and protections they take to prevent abuse and misconfiguration on how it breaks SSL and saves everything they type.

    9. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Everyone is already happy, and for that, You can thank Big Brother for
        announcing the chocolate ration has been increased to 20 grams per week!

    10. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that only means your expectations of a "free country" is exceptionally low.

      The single fact that you are in possession of someones door key, or easily can get a key doesn't give you any rights what so ever to intrude, as many a landlord has found out the hard way.

      Same thing with accounts on computer systems, if you access it without permission, you're still guilty of intrusion, even if you managed to reset the password thanks to information available to you.

    11. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by jouassou · · Score: 1

      This. It's similar to the fact that if someone leaves a password-protected private laptop on their work desk, you could easily use a LiveUSB to boot it up and get around their password protection. If their harddrive isn't encrypted, you can easily copy all their data onto an external harddrive, and have fun with it at home. But if anyone I know did that, including my employer, that should be grounds for suing them, and someone should end up in jail over it.

      That it's technically possible to do something doesn't make it right.

    12. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grounds for suing them? No that's grounds for beating their ass and then stomping their head into the ground. Respect my privacy and I respect yours. Intrude on my privacy, or personal space. And I will go back to being a violent asshole, and not just the asshole I normally am. Prison taught me to control my anger and when its appropriate to be violent. What you describe is essentially stealing my shit. And there are consequences for those actions.

      --Highdude702(mods)

    13. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      They've started - and will never stop - surveillance of human activity for deviant behaviors.

      Monitoring social media hardly constitutes "surveillance of human activity" because is centralized repository where fools volunteer information to corporations. Corporations are under no obligation to keep any secrets you have and if you're actively broadcasting to the world what you are doing then it's certainly not a secret.

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    14. Re: Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Har har interwebz tough guy lol I bet you shit your pants when a mall cop looks at you haha

    15. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Uh... so maybe don't post your crap on social media?

      If you put things on servers you don't control, expect it to be seen by others...

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      My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
    16. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the logical end to those "why didn't they do something about it, all the warning signs were all over social media." Well, now they're doing something about it. They've started - and will never stop - surveillance of human activity for deviant behaviors. If you're thinking this is ripe for abuse by being the one able to define deviant behaviors, you're right. It's basically what happened to England in the plot of "1984". I hope you're happy and you got what you asked for.

      Then get off the Internet. Children don’t need to organize online, period. For education and entertainment yes, for socializing hell no. They’d be safer licking ashtrays in a bowling alley than having unhindered internet access.

    17. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. It's similar to the fact that if someone leaves a password-protected private laptop on their work desk, you could easily use a LiveUSB to boot it up and get around their password protection. If their harddrive isn't encrypted, you can easily copy all their data onto an external harddrive, and have fun with it at home. But if anyone I know did that, including my employer, that should be grounds for suing them, and someone should end up in jail over it.

      That it's technically possible to do something doesn't make it right.

      Doesn’t necessarily make it illegal either.
      Suppose in a high security environment, if they found a private device laying around where it shouldn’t, they just might image it.
      I mean even in a regular business, if you walked into your datacenter or colo and found a non-issued laptop just plugged into a switch, that could be suspicious enough to start doing forensics. You can’t just bring it to the local PD for that, you’re on your own so yes, we’re going to image and hold it until we find out more. Might be some contractor left it there, but if it was attached, then it’s fair game.

      Thinking about this more and more, yes quite easily a private device could end up in Infosec getting imaged, and I’d imagine they’d know the laws pertaining to that well enough.

    18. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Unless they're used for programming lessons, I don't understand why they are issued.

      Maybe I just don't understand modern education, what can I say.

      It has changed a ton in the last 10 years. A large percent of schools are issuing a portable device to every student. Google Apps for Education is a big deal, with tons of Chromebooks being issued to kids. Work is done using the Google suite of word processing tools, rather than the Microsoft ones. Kids are turning in video homework rather than paper homework. It's a crazy new world out there.

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    19. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unless the student signed into a social media, or other account, using the email or credentials the school provided

      Tell me. If you create a private social media account online using your work email address, do you expect your work to reset your password and access that private online account you created? No, right? At least, not unless that account was work related.

      If anyone should have access to that secondary account, it should be the parents, not the school.

      Remember that incident where the school would spy on their students using the camera of the school issued laptops while the kids were in the privacy of their own bedrooms. If that incident taught me anything, and numerous other incidents like that one, it's that school administrators/staff are not properly trained to handle the private information of their pupils and also they're definitely not mature enough to handle that information professionally.

      Uh, my employer OPENLY MITMs all popular social networking sites, so if it’s over their network even with your personal account they can see everything. There’s a service called Socialite or something that does the monitoring for them. The schools are using something similar, from skimming the summary anyway, not direct access by school staff.

      If it was a work social media account, I would not be the least surprised if they asked for access to it or threaten to let me go. I’d never use my work email for non professional social media use, really wtf is the point of that.

    20. Re: Why didn't they do something about it! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If I were a teacher, I would go crazy if I had to grade video homework every day.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    21. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would never use my work email to create a personal social media account. Because I am not an idiot. Nor a naive kid.

      I would never have a work or school issued laptop in my bedroom while I change clothes. For the same reasons given above.

      If it belongs to *someone else*, I treat it as if it does not belong to *me*. Everyone should do this. Though the primary purpose of schools spying on kids through school-issued accounts and hardware is to catch problem kids and give them additional guidance.....the secondary purpose is to teach kids a valuable lesson in distrust.

      It is *on you* to protect your privacy. It isn't to hard to figure out how to do that.

    22. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No that's grounds for beating their ass and then stomping their head into the ground. Respect my privacy and I respect yours. Intrude on my privacy, or personal space. And I will go back to being a violent asshole, and not just the asshole I normally am. Prison taught me to control my anger

      Sounds like someone is anxious to go back to the graybar hotel. This is why a felony on your record is a employment disqualifier at my business. As the Aurora shooter (and others) have shown: once a criminal, always a criminal. You first reaction to conflict is violence. Rehabilitation is about as effective for violent assholes like yourself as it is with heroin addicts. There are maybe exceptions but I don't have the time or patience to sort them out.

    23. Re: Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the 21st Century: either get on with the times or throw yourself into the cesspit of history.

    24. Re:Why didn't they do something about it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It started the moment somebody started posting under their real name online.

  4. They Automated Carl! by lobiusmoop · · Score: 2

    "ou guys think I'm just some untouchable peasant? Peon? Huh? Maybe so, but following a broom around after shitheads like you for the past eight years I've learned a couple of things. I look through your letters, I look through your lockers. I listen to your conversations. You don't know that, but I do. I am the eyes and ears of this institution my friends. By the way, that clock's twenty minutes fast!"

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    "I bless every day that I continue to live, for every day is pure profit."
  5. Pollute the database by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spam them. Flood the database with crap.

    If they're going to collect the data anyhow, make it worthless.

    AC

    1. Re: Pollute the database by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You and what army of angry nerds, hunh? The vast majority does not care what you think and even if it would it would strongly disagree with you and look down upon you with a combination of disapproval and loathing. You know, those same feelings that have been directed at you for your whole existence.

    2. Re: Pollute the database by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No army needed. Just some carefully written code. Now go wallow in your own ignorance and insignificance, tool.

    3. Re: Pollute the database by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The term you are looking for is 'poison the well'. Good idea, more people need to do it.

      But poison the primary source, facebook etc. The school is a symptom of too much useable data being available. Of course nannies are going to nanny, it's their fucking job.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    4. Re: Pollute the database by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's too easy, why isn't it being done already? It's like those "mesh networks" that are said to be able to replace the internet. They have never materialized or proven successful in any way, and they never will. Keep fooling yourself into thinking that your precious computer is a powerful weapon. It is not. It's a toy.

  6. Just the beginning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Edgy kids will have no future but since they know it all, they are okay with that.

  7. Not good, but survival. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the reality we are facing, lord knows we aren't gonna take away dangerous individuals rights to commit mass murder with guns.

  8. Idiots think this will only be used on FB. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better this than the unhinged have their guns taken away, right?

    1. Re:Idiots think this will only be used on FB. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your lies about only "the unhinged" having guns taken away was exposed long ago, but for an in-your-face most recent example was that doddering old douche-bag, Nancy Pelosi. She came right out and stated they wanted to take all of the guns away. We've known this all along. Nobody believe the lies from the Left anymore about "common sense gun control". It's outright confiscation they want so that they can put everyone in chains.

      There are some 50000 gun laws on the books right now. All of them unconstitutional. Free people realize this and will not acquiesce to the insane demands of the Left.

  9. Thank FSM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't use any social media.

    1. Re:Thank FSM by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Aha! Found the dangerous deviant! Best lock you up indefinitely at once!

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  10. felon roommate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My school had me room with a felon.
    That turned out greeeeaaaat.

    Baby steps, schools.

  11. Video Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't they just find the video game players? Surely they'll be the violent ones.

  12. will students get teacher profiles/scans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in case any of them are secretly doing anything unsavory?

  13. Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    99% of teachers drank alcohol as teenagers, it aided their successes in life. Good way to castrate the next generation from becoming normal adults. Enjoy your socially retarded children.

    1. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most teachers I know drink like fishes and fuck like rabbits when they're not on the clock. You'd be surprised what the private lives of teachers are like once you get to know them.

    2. Re:Hypocrisy by PPH · · Score: 1

      it aided their successes in life

      Becoming a teacher is considered success?

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    3. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compared to becoming an unemployed crack addict, I'd consider it a yuuuge success.

    4. Re:Hypocrisy by dryeo · · Score: 1

      it aided their successes in life

      Becoming a teacher is considered success?

      To raise that question says so much about American culture

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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
  14. Next steps by kaur · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) Students will shift away from public media / platforms to new semi-private networks
    2) OSINT surveillance services try to follow, but are blocked by privacy rules
    3) Surveillance tries legal hacks to get backdoor access to networks and students' media

    We will have a society where everyone is aware of someone listening in and potentiall taking action.

    I have lived through the Soviet times in ex-USSR. We have been there and this is not nice.

    I also have three kids (two teenagers and one younger). I strongly believe they should have options for privacy both from us the parents, the school and authorities.

    1. Re:Next steps by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Wise words. Unfortunately, the authoritarian scum that forms 30% or so of the population cannot abide anybody doing something they cannot see. To them, Fascism is an ideal that they try to establish again.

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    2. Re:Next steps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Students will shift away from public media / platforms to new semi-private networks
      2) OSINT surveillance services try to follow, but are blocked by privacy rules

      School equipment TOS/AUP will prohibit that.

      3) Surveillance tries legal hacks to get backdoor access to networks and students' media

      We will have a society where everyone is aware of someone listening in and potentiall taking action.

      Exists already. There are Schools that will demand kids login to their various accounts, on the spot and WITHOUT parents being present.

      I have lived through the Soviet times in ex-USSR. We have been there and this is not nice.

      I also have three kids (two teenagers and one younger). I strongly believe they should have options for privacy both from us the parents, the school and authorities.

      I haven't been to Russia though my packets likely have. This is the kind of shit westerners aquired with immigration. It's completely NORMAL in some countries to expect this kind of authoritarian control. My grandfather, father and his brother all faught in wars to protect us against it too. They would be thrown in jail for protesting if they were alive now.

      It's not OK. It was never OK. Society didn't agree to it we've been stripped of our ability to lawfully prevent it.

    3. Re:Next steps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately you're right on the nose and they are the same cabal that see children as property (which is ironic given how most of them feel on the prof-life/pro-choice question).

      It's one of the many reasons I'm in favor of lowering the voting age to 14, though 16 would be a good start.

    4. Re:Next steps by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      >> 1) Students will shift away from public media / platforms to new semi-private networks
      >> 2) OSINT surveillance services try to follow, but are blocked by privacy rules

      > School equipment TOS/AUP will prohibit that.

      Every kid has a smartphone. Heck, instead of a $1,000 Itoy, have your parents get you a couple of $200 el cheapos. Use one at the library/Starbucks on wifi, no SIM card required.

      > Exists already. There are Schools that will demand kids login to their
      > various accounts, on the spot and WITHOUT parents being present.

      Response... "My parents don't allow me to have a Facebook/Instagram account".

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    5. Re:Next steps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Students will shift away from public media / platforms to new semi-private networks
      2) OSINT surveillance services try to follow, but are blocked by privacy rules
      3) Surveillance tries legal hacks to get backdoor access to networks and students' media

      We will have a society where everyone is aware of someone listening in and potentiall taking action.

      I have lived through the Soviet times in ex-USSR. We have been there and this is not nice.

      I also have three kids (two teenagers and one younger). I strongly believe they should have options for privacy both from us the parents, the school and authorities.

      Sure they have options, and none of them will be on the Internet. I would rather they met up in private at a bar or club than on the Internet.

    6. Re:Next steps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do you come up with this 30% figure?

    7. Re:Next steps by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      "Students will shift away from public media / platforms to new semi-private networks"
      They're already doing that. Facebook is becoming like Myspace and Livejournal before it: a place for the old people, uncool if you're young.
      They'll go talk to each other in threads on 4chan, or in Discord chats, or whatever. When the next cool, hip new 'social media' comes around, they'll be first on the scene.

    8. Re:Next steps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or, alternatively, the students might band together and start taking pictures of things that would set off the authorities en masse.

      Snorting sugar on the cafeteria table with a straw and posting to their school accounts with #boogersugar.
      Passing around a bottle of skol filled with water, everyone takes a drink. #Vodka #SoDrunkRightNow
      Having a full day of sexting everyone and everything. "HEY BEBE, YOU WANNA MONKEH AROUND!"

      And do not even get me started with where Deepfakes are going. You can remix a teachers face or the princaples face on porn stars and begin texting that around too.

      The problem with survielance networks is that if people decide, in any kind of co-ordinated manner, to mess with them, they fall completely apart and the surveilers lose their minds. All you can do is cryptographically sign each frame or pictures with a block chain to authenticate its source and even then. You've got to proove the kids were actually drinking, or shooting coke, or actually out to have sex.

      The correct protest kids, is to do the above. Have everyone start hiding bags of flour, and sugar, and god only knows what in their lockers; say inappropraite things to each other on their phones. Band together and make the state your enemy. They'll come down hard on you, and at that point you get the police involved and start pressing child abuse charges. Because giving out punishments without good evidence is child abuse. If the teachers want to involve the cops that is a two way street they won't win on.

    9. Re:Next steps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exists already. There are Schools that will demand kids login to their various accounts, on the spot and WITHOUT parents being present.

      Not in my school district. The problem is that the school districts have come to expect no oversight or repercussions from their district constituents. They work for the parents and they need to understand that. As I told my teen son just this week. There are a lot of school teachers and administrators who would love to be bullies in the real world but that would risk getting their own ass kicked, so they bully children instead.

    10. Re:Next steps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I haven't been to Russia though my packets likely have. This is the kind of shit westerners aquired with immigration. It's completely NORMAL in some countries to expect this kind of authoritarian control. My grandfather, father and his brother all faught in wars to protect us against it too. They would be thrown in jail for protesting if they were alive now.

      It's not OK. It was never OK. Society didn't agree to it we've been stripped of our ability to lawfully prevent it.

      Actually, it's the other way around. It's more likely that the immigrants from countries that have experienced the Stasi, the Gestapo or the Great Firewall, are far more aware and against that sort of shit. The people that love this stuff are the power mongers, the 'protect me from teh evil terrorists', the 'free speech is ok as long as I (and my religion) agree with it', and the 'will someone think of the children' crowds. This round of public (and private) surveillance incursion is pure homegrown unadulterated western bullshit.

      So as much as you probably like to drum up a bit of random racial hatred, don't be blaming this shit on 'teh immigrants'.

    11. Re:Next steps by gweihir · · Score: 1

      From relevant research. Read up on it. I am not doing your homework.

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    12. Re:Next steps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > This round of public (and private) surveillance incursion is pure homegrown unadulterated western bullshit.

      > So as much as you probably like to drum up a bit of random racial hatred, don't be blaming this shit on 'teh immigrants'.

      Says the anon who blames it on "western bullshit". What are you talking about, there's nothing racial about this.

      Starting to wonder if mods on slashdot are using sockpuppet anons they upvote.

    13. Re:Next steps by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      I'm going to have to back the AC up on this one. My wife is from Eastern Europe. Grew up under some of the Soviet shit. She is aghast that we'd let it happen to ourselves here.

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    14. Re:Next steps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is closer to 40% which is roughly the percentage of the population that cheers on a low-IQ, amoral orange autocrat.

      numbnuts

  15. Chilling Effect for Your Safety by ememisya · · Score: 1

    So 35,000 and 55,000 students were psychologically damaged to feel exposed and never trust anything online again. 16 of those were plausible. How many actual? Totally worth the damage to society as a whole to live as terror stricken people living with the thought that everything that they write and say is judged by authority figures instantly.

    1. Re:Chilling Effect for Your Safety by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Judged by an algorithm, that may have applied some hidden bias and/or might simply be wrong. So you get called into the principal's office about your booze problem, or a copper pays you a visit to talk about your latent violence issues, and then it's on you to explain to them and your parents that they are wrong.

      Something similar happened here: a couple of mayors wanted to nip mounting resistance against new refugee centers in the bud, and decided to visit the most vocal opponents. One guy was visited at his business by two coppers who told him: "You are tweeting rather a lot. We have been ordered to ask you to mind your tone, as some of your tweets could be taken as inciting." Just a friendly warning and not at all aimed at silencing an opponent, according to city hall, but those who were visited had a rather different interpretation. This was just a couple dozen people manually selected by monitoring Twitter feeds, but the effect is clear: these people no longer feel free to speak out in public. Now imagine if everything you say is monitored by an AI and flagged for potential issues.

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    2. Re:Chilling Effect for Your Safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One guy was visited at his business by two coppers who told him: "You are tweeting rather a lot. We have been ordered to ask you to mind your tone, as some of your tweets could be taken as inciting."

      WTF was this? That's fucking outrageous in a "free" society.

    3. Re:Chilling Effect for Your Safety by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Happened here in the Netherlands. And yes, many people were outraged even if officials insisted it was only a friendly warning about possible consequences if things actually got out of hand. Article (from Google Translate)

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  16. Re: Kill the nazi faggot traitors. Solve the prob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Violence against Nazis isnt the answer... no, wait...

    Heil Hitlary as mandated by law!

  17. Isn't this the responsibility of the parents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is the school getting involved at all??

    1. Re:Isn't this the responsibility of the parents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there is a certain faction of people who think they have more control and say over YOUR children than YOU do, or should. Those people are School administrators and Politicians. Don't trust one as far as you can throw them.

      --Highdude702(mods)

    2. Re:Isn't this the responsibility of the parents? by PPH · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_loco_parentis

      You drop your kid off for the day and expect that they will be kept safe. If they aren't, you sue the school district's ass off.

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    3. Re: Isn't this the responsibility of the parents? by edris90 · · Score: 1

      Ha, that is some lazy parenting if I ever heard any. "it's okay if the school fucks my kid over , I can make money off of it... It's a child not a paycheck. I'm not going to honor my responsibility to my child to vet and monitor those that are trusted to care my child and sit class once in awhile 2 monitor the school's environment ." If care so little for your kid, you might as well sell them. The school system doesn't have the time to do right by your child they won't compromise your child to stabilize their metrics and make their day easier. You're still at the child has no rights for advocacy. If you're not in their checking up on the schooled keep them on their toes, they're going to think they're in charge of your kid over you. That is an ultimate betrayal of your responsibility to your child

    4. Re: Isn't this the responsibility of the parents? by PPH · · Score: 1

      That is an ultimate betrayal of your responsibility to your child.

      It's not my kid that I'm worried about. It's the child of the parent who gets indignant and insists that its his job and his job alone to raise his kid. And then his kid brings the AK-47 to school.

      Sure, I'll visit the teachers and evaluate the classroom from time to time. But you might not like my input. Maybe I'll tell them to keep that Draper kid out of the school. Because he's a trouble-maker, unstable and one social media post away from shooting up the classroom. Or perhaps I should expect them to be watching for this sort of thing impartially.

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    5. Re: Isn't this the responsibility of the parents? by edris90 · · Score: 1

      Why would I send my kid to public school when most of public school is waiting for the teacher to shut up cuz you finished the homework 15 minutes into class before the teacher even assigned it. Because public School workloads are that lax and easy. People are in bad lessons from public school. Mainly that it doesn't matter how hard you work it doesn't matter how well you do .they'll never reward you with anything you truly value. Your time and freedom do as you choose and go where you want because you finished your work. If kids were rewarded with free roam time for finishing their curriculum for the week you can about guarantee they will get everything done by Monday or Tuesday, so that can go explore the world and live a while. if you give kids the freedom they burned by completing their daily responsibilities, will only ever be at school long enough to get their next week's curriculum. how would they waste their time with people when there's more interesting things to explore in the world?

  18. Where's the student version? by magusxxx · · Score: 1

    You know, so they can see if the teachers/school administration has had any DUI, domestic abuse calls, etc?

    Oh, that's right. If you're under eighteen you have no legal right to know this information.

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    And as for turning on the camera of student issued laptops to check up on them, let me guess...

    30 seconds to check to see if the quarterback is saying a racial slur.
    5 minutes to see if the head cheerleader is drinking during a sleepover.

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    1. Re:Where's the student version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, old school teachers who put brats into a headlock in front of class get the sack.\
      No more canes or the strap. Private girls school teachers once packed scissors and took a chunk of hair off bad girls. The solution is we go back to full metal jacket at schools.

  19. Happy To Not Do This To My Children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm perfectly happy to NOT subject my children to this surveillance.

    Fuck Bark and the horse they rode in on!

  20. Blackmail is now normal business by Picodon · · Score: 1

    The Bark product is free to schools in the U.S. for perpetuity. The company says it can afford to give the service away to schools, because of the money it makes from a version aimed at parents.

    It would be more accurate and honest to say that the Bark product being used by schools is a business-critical marketing device to gain leverage over parents and “convince” them that they’d better pony up the 9 USD per month. Because, you know, it would be too bad if their child’s school found out whatever could be out there in the cloud, and proceeded to initiate some reprisal or even call the police on their beloved little one.

  21. Social media in the next decades by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Stop using all social media that can be tracked.
    Don't get your image uploaded to any social media service.
    Dont use names, words, jargon, locations that will induce tracking online.
    Have an online computer for work, study, education. Have a VPN computer for computer games, searching.
    Need social media for some project? Set up an account with the min information just for that. Never use it again.
    Enjoy your freedoms like past generations did.

    Be aware of how many jobs, other nations, gov, mil, services will "demand" social media accounts in later decades.
    Show them the account that has nothing on it as needed.

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  22. Social scores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PRC way ahead on social monitoring. Careful on data management they r minors. GDPR for US ?

  23. How would this have helped in Parkland?It wouldn't by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/l...
    https://www.asumag.com/safety-...

    Florida school officials and law enforcement had more than enough data to stop Nicholas Cruz.

    Technology and good intentions are no match for incompetent and corrupt government officials.

  24. It's here! by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    Social cooling.

    People are starting to realize that this 'digital reputation' could limit their opportunities.

    Look: Remember the very first porn sites way back in the 90s? We clicked to see titties and then a question popped up: "Are you over 18 or over?"

    - Yes
    - No

    We clicked, "No," and went to Disney.

    Having IQs higher than asphalt, we made another run at it and gave the answer that fit our needs.

    Few on /. are unaware of behavioural modification techniques.

    People are slowly learning to shape their narrative on social media to avoid pain and gain favour.

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  25. Re: Muh Cock! I Mean Guns!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How tiny is your cock?

    Children needlessly die in your country because you're a scared fag and have a tiny cock . Canadians are braver than you. Australians too.

    Pussy!

  26. Re: Muh Cock! I Mean Guns!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Australians exercise strong censorship and ban games. Hardly a brave thing to do.

  27. glad I missed this by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    The AI would simply generate a report inquiring how it's even possible for a human to post THAT MANY MEMES. It just doesn't seem possible.

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