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New Flaws In 4G, 5G Allow Attackers To Intercept Calls and Track Phone Locations (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: A group of academics have found three new security flaws in 4G and 5G, which they say can be used to intercept phone calls and track the locations of cell phone users. The findings are said to be the first time vulnerabilities have affected both 4G and the incoming 5G standard, which promises faster speeds and better security, particularly against law enforcement use of cell site simulators, known as "stingrays." But the researchers say that their new attacks can defeat newer protections that were believed to make it more difficult to snoop on phone users. [Rafiul Hussain, one of the co-authors of the paper, along with Ninghui Li and Elisa Bertino at Purdue University, and Mitziu Echeverria and Omar Chowdhury at the University of Iowa are set to reveal their findings at the Network and Distributed System Security Symposium in San Diego on Tuesday.

The paper, seen by TechCrunch prior to the talk, details the attacks: the first is Torpedo, which exploits a weakness in the paging protocol that carriers use to notify a phone before a call or text message comes through. The researchers found that several phone calls placed and cancelled in a short period can trigger a paging message without alerting the target device to an incoming call, which an attacker can use to track a victim's location. Knowing the victim's paging occasion also lets an attacker hijack the paging channel and inject or deny paging messages, by spoofing messages like Amber alerts or blocking messages altogether, the researchers say. Torpedo opens the door to two other attacks: Piercer, which the researchers say allows an attacker to determine an international mobile subscriber identity (IMSI) on the 4G network; and the aptly named IMSI-Cracking attack, which can brute force an IMSI number in both 4G and 5G networks, where IMSI numbers are encrypted.
AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile are all affected by Torpedo, "and the attacks can be carried out with radio equipment costing as little as $200," the report adds. One U.S. network is reportedly vulnerable to the Piercer attack, but the researcher wouldn't name which one.

46 comments

  1. Intercept calls and track locations by fustakrakich · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hardly sounds like a "flaw".

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    1. Re:Intercept calls and track locations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't understand how hard it is to track phones for reception handoffs without being able to track phones or intercept traffic. It sounds exactly like a flaw. Whether anyone knew of it or exploited it already is a solid question.

      Solid questions > floppy microaccusations.

    2. Re:Intercept calls and track locations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if it affects LTE too.

    3. Re: Intercept calls and track locations by MakerDusk · · Score: 1

      Yup... there are SDR communities that revolve around this.

    4. Re:Intercept calls and track locations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was the person you intercepted using an iPhone 6S?

    5. Re:Intercept calls and track locations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was the person you intercepted sounding like he was missing his upper teeth?

    6. Re:Intercept calls and track locations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CD Reimer gave $71 to Second Harvest Food Bank to show VOX Media and The Verge. #SomethingPositive

    7. Re:Intercept calls and track locations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What an amazing crusader you are indeed. Keep it up buddy! :)

    8. Re:Intercept calls and track locations by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      So the GCHQ and SAS can always find the IRA.
      Voice prints and locations.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    9. Re: Intercept calls and track locations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

  2. I vote Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One U.S. network is reportedly vulnerable to the Piercer attack, but the researcher wouldn't name which one.

  3. Hold the Huawei... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hory sheet we store fraws!

  4. 5G? by olsmeister · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are we talking real 5G, or AT&T 5G?

    1. Re:5G? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Are we talking real 5G, or AT&T 5G?

      Both, since the flaws are also in 4G.

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    2. Re:5G? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Right letter 'F', wrong word, definitely not flaws but FEATURES, oh yeah, all those bugs by accident, yep uh huh. This crap has been going on for decades and they still can not check their code properly, or, do they?

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    3. Re:5G? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      This crap has been going on for decades and they still can not check their code properly, or, do they?

      Fair point, but there's plenty of evidence for both malice and incompetence.

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  5. Great, now WTF will a telco do about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are problems baked into the standards, and we've seen how fast the standards evolve.

    How many years will it take before the telcos sort out how to solve the problem and then how long to implement that solution throughout the network? Wouldn't it be better if the standards development were more open and evaluated by knowledgable people beforehand?

    1. Re:Great, now WTF will a telco do about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. We tried that with open source software, and it failed miserably. You wind up with amateur coding, relentless security holes and nobody really knows enough about the software as a whole to form a cohesive strategy or form a new direction. You are left with a group of rookies endlessly chasing features that are mature in commercial software.

    2. Re:Great, now WTF will a telco do about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So ... Android in a Nutshell?

    3. Re:Great, now WTF will a telco do about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. We tried that with closed-loop zero-eyeball proprietary software, it failed and continues to fail miserably. You wind up with amateur unchecked code, relentless security holes and nobody really knows enough about the closed codebase as a whole to form a cohesive strategy or form a new direction. You are left with a group of corporate lackies endlessly chasing features that are mature (and tested!) in OSS software.

      (Idiots who live in black box Adobe houses shouldn't piss down their own necks and tell themselves it's raining, FTFY.)

    4. Re:Great, now WTF will a telco do about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now here's a guy who thinks different...

    5. Re:Great, now WTF will a telco do about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think for one moment that any OS is 'safer' or more secure than any other, then may I interest you in several bridges in NYC that I own. I'll start off with the Brooklyn Bridge for only $10,000....

    6. Re:Great, now WTF will a telco do about it? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Nothing AC its for the security services and its all good.

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    7. Re: Great, now WTF will a telco do about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are neglecting the simple fact that all FLOSS variations need to "play nice" with all of the existing proprietary software and to top it all off some of these flaws are baked into the fundamental protocols as well.

      It literally does not matter if it's open code or not when every link in the communications chain is built on the assumption of trusting the other party's intentions.

    8. Re:Great, now WTF will a telco do about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, he's talking about Open Source, not Walled Gardens.

  6. Its a feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    requested by .gov

    1. Re:Its a feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you could point to a secure system, any system you like, that was perfect in both security and privacy and still functional, then we'd have something to compare against, right? I don't know of a secure & futureproof comm network.

      Do you? Or was that just the usual assumption that if something has a flaw, da Goobermints put it there like fer shure bro? There are a lot of edge cases in the world. There's no way they're all intentional.

      Time is also linear. It goes on.

      You tell me, any secure system in your experience that we could be sure the Gubmint DIDN'T tamper with? Lol. The entire thought experiment is a fallacy. Ask Ken Thompson about it sometime.

    2. Re:Its a feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe, but we wouldn't know given that we can't actually examine the complete set of source code, or even the critical proprietary firmware components that are needed for the modem. We also know that these modems almost always share memory and the modems more critically have complete access to the main memory of a phone. Any so-called "security" or encryption on a phone is futile and phony as a result. If you need security/privacy you won't get it if you carry a cellular phone. Even if this wasn't the case the phone has to be tracked in order to direct calls and data via towers near you. Otherwise a user couldn't send data/send voice and even receiving one-way communications would be a challenge as the phone company would have to broadcast the message from every tower-or at a minimum a heck of a lot of towers within your region. Shortly after 2000 there was a story about the FBI getting a cellular provider to upload a backdoor'd firmware to a particular suspects cell phone (major organized crime figure) which then remotely enabled the FBI to listen in to conversations not just via the phone, but anybody that was near the suspect for whom was having a conversation. In other words phones are dangerous not just because the FBI can record phone conversations, but they can listen in on any conversation so long as there exist a cell phone nearby.

  7. 6G? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about 6G? I keep hearing the USA is going to go straight to that from 4G.

  8. A feature, not a flaw. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How else do we get governments to approve it for use?

  9. Flaw, or feature? by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    Since the advent of the surveillance state, I just assume that speaking on a cell phone, texting on a cell phone, and carrying a cell phone with the battery in it is the technological equivalent of breadcrumbs... if anybody is highly motivated enough to want to track my movements.

    The Stingray Tools are fairly easy for well-funded organisations to deploy, your cellie hits on towers it is closest to, and all manner of back doors for national security may be built in.

    Don't take a knife to a gun fight, and don't take a cell phone anywhere that might be considered shady.

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  10. It's all Huawei's fault! AndPutins! by ffkom · · Score: 1

    It cannot possibly be that security flaws in communication are a consequence of bad design, sloppy/cheap implementation or deliberate back-door placement by domestic agencies. We demand our usual amount of foreign-evil-doer blame-assignment!

    1. Re:It's all Huawei's fault! AndPutins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it's either blame unnamed foreigner or blame the US NSA, right? Whichever side of that fallacy you're cheerleading without pom poms or tits. Speaking of which, shake for me. Huawei prison style.

    2. Re:It's all Huawei's fault! AndPutins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ONLY real issue that the US have with Huawei is that the US CANNOT subvert Huawei the way that they subvert other platforms in order to bypass security protocols and spy on users !
      The Australian government banned Huawei after passing legislation that enforced the governments "right" to hack ANY transmissions on any network and banning the use of encrypted traffic.

  11. I know right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "and don't take a cell phone anywhere that might be considered shady." - And if you're going to launder money for the Russian mob for 30 years, lol don't let your "fixer" lawyer guy record your voice talking about it for 15 years. Fucking moron.

    A little bit of opsec and these Alfabank betas might have gotten away with it! A LITTLE BIT! "Russia, if you're listening..." - Seriously. Roger Stone now accepting rogering, will sing for lube. The whole treason is falling apart.

    And why? BECAUSE HE PICKED A FIGHT WITH A PORN STAR. Let's just count the hundreds of times Trump has fucked himself, it's almost impossible to contain them all in your mind at one time. In his own WORDS a traitor!

    What the fuck are we even doing, we should be pitchforking his ass RIGHT NOW

  12. Flaws? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Oh, you poor naive civilians ...

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    1. Re:Flaws? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Security services would have never released any secure systems for approval globally.

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  13. new security flaws in 4G and 5G by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

    "Flaws"? You've used the wrong verb there. "Working as designed" is probably more accurate.

    Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you. That was my funny phrase in the 70's, it's not quite so funny now.

    Luckily they're not trying to find or get me. But I'll ask Google Home about it just to make sure.

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    If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
  14. well, who woulda thunk it.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    trump was right.. we do need '6G' asap.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-p...

  15. Late adopter by jabberw0k · · Score: 1

    Thank goodness my flip-phone is still on 2G. Not sure what I will do when I need a new real-keyboard, no-camera Telephone that is really just a telephone.

    1. Re:Late adopter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, there is no security in any 'cellphone'. Cell towers/stingrays etc. Wifi? Uh-uh, it's all back-doored by design. Do nothing on any device (phone/cellphone/computer) that you would not want to hear repeated back in an open courtroom.

    2. Re:Late adopter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank goodness my flip-phone is still on 2G. Not sure what I will do when I need a new real-keyboard, no-camera Telephone that is really just a telephone.

      Just bought a 2006 GMC envoy with old 3g OnStar. Am seriously considering removing the old GM/LG unit under the rear seat. Just have to study up as to how to bypass the antenna connection and still have SiriusXM capabilities without changing the radio to an aftermarket. I wonder when the newer 4g OnStar system will get seriously hacked given this potential exploit.

      I can just see a sophisticated mechanic working for organized crime or even someone from the old section 13 of the KGB using the exploit to track and kill their targets. You can't tell me that Putin won't use every possible digital exploit to eliminate his enemies. There are quite a few people in the US government the drive GMs with OnStar, you still see the OnStar antenna on government vehicle versions of the Chevy Tahoe and other big GM vehicles.

    3. Re:Late adopter by DethLok · · Score: 1

      Don't bother bringing your phone to Australia, then.

      We got rid of 2G a few years back.

  16. 911 phase II tracking by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    911 systems that have phase II (E911, phase II) is "suppose" to get you within 50 to 150 meters which is between 150 feet to 500 feet max which sounds "close" unless you are on the other end of the 911 call screaming for help. Shoot, when I was dispatching, we had to figure out WHERE they lived by the "well, you go down the old creek road where that barn got hit by lightning, turn right (and right could be north, south, east or west depending on where they were coming from!) then I'm right next to that barn that has that horse that always follows the cars. Heck, everyone knows where I live. (I always wished people in the rural areas were given flare guns...we'd send the patrol unit in the area, and if they heard a siren, shoot the flare up in the air, and blink the porch light on and off!). I'm sure the government has MUCH better accuracy than 911 systems, but, it's still a crapshoot unless you have the equipment.

  17. Military attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If my phone carrier makes it possible for ANYBODY to identify my location, I will consider such actions to be a military attack by my phone carrier upon me and my loved ones, and they can expect a measured response.