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OneWeb Wants To Rebuild the Internet in Space, Connecting Billions Not on the Web (cityam.com)

Later today, the first six of OneWeb satellites are expected to be launched.[Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source] from a remote launch site in French Guiana, a key step toward building out a constellation that could eventually reach nearly 2,000. From a report: If OneWeb's founder Greg Wyler plans are successful, what he and his fellow executives at OneWeb envision is nothing short of revolutionary: becoming one of the world's largest providers of Internet service by building the architecture in space, allowing the billions without access to WiFi to finally use the Web. Wyler founded the British-based company in 2012.

"The ultimate goal is to connect every school in the world, and bridge the digital divide," Wyler said in an interview after his pep talk. "We're bringing connectivity and enabling it for people around the world, and in rural populations." If successful, remote areas all over the world, from Alaska to Africa, that are out of reach of fiber optic cables could suddenly join the world of Google and YouTube, a feat Wyler and others believe could be transformative. But building the backbone of the Internet in orbit is no easy task. Others have tried to put up constellations of communications satellites, only to fail spectacularly. The enormous cost is only outmatched by the risks of putting up hundreds of spacecraft in orbit.

39 comments

  1. I would rather connect to a new Web by pablo_max · · Score: 1

    A new Web would be a better idea. One that the government has not broken. It would be only a matter of time before they got their greedy little hands on a new Web too, but at least for a while, the internet would be the internet again and not just a government run collection racket for music and movie industry.

    1. Re:I would rather connect to a new Web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that your plan? Something is messed up, so instead of fixing it, lets just make a new one? How many times do you think you can do that? How many internets will your grandchildren have to deal with?

    2. Re: I would rather connect to a new Web by dougdonovan · · Score: 0

      agreed. start from scratch if they are serious about doing it right.

  2. Failure predicted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First of all, SpaceX is about to do the exact same thing, with many more satellites at a fraction of the cost. To be anything more than a footnote, a project like this has to be first out of the gate and so huge the competition doesn't have a chance. There just isn't enough room in space endeavours for small players to carve out niches.

    Second, the goal is schools. Every 'big project' that involves schools involves layers and layers of red tape and idiocy. Sure, there's money to be had, but it's squandered on everything 'but' the intended project. Even 'if' they get their satellite service built and operating, the actual 'use' of it will be locked down and limited for the most stupid reasons. Schools that can afford it will find alternate providers for their internet.

    So the schools that can afford it won't use OneWeb and the schools that can't afford (or have avaiable) an alternative ISP also can't afford to pay for the system costs.

    OneWeb is doomed to (very expensive) failure.

    1. Re:Failure predicted by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not going to write them off so quickly. But they certainly are behind. Starlink launched its first test satellites a year ago. And they have the massive advantage of owning their own launch service, which also happens to be by far the cheapest in the world.

      But you never know. I absolutely wish OneWeb the best. LEO constellation-based broadband is going to be a game changer for much of the world's population.

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    2. Re:Failure predicted by captaindomon · · Score: 1

      The two Starlink satellites were just proof-of-concept test satellites. These six satellites are the first of the fully finished production satellites. I'd say OneWeb is ahead of Starlink, not the other way around.

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    3. Re: Failure predicted by Rei · · Score: 1

      Calling a system that's never been tested in space "fully finished" is just silly.

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  3. Billions more??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure that will raise the quality of our public discourse...sigh...

    1. Re:Billions more??? by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Public discourse shouldn't be limited to people with fiber delivery speeds. The Internet has become by default and design, an open communications vehicle. The real problem are monopolistic telcos and PTTs that have no desire to steal from shareholder profits, the funds needed to reach remote and rural locations, even urban ones where infrastructure is weak. Not everyone can eat cake like first-world countries. They deserve the access, and you might be surprised at the denominator of quality discourse available from these regions.

      Some may be more immature, but none will be less valid than yours or mine.

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    2. Re:Billions more??? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      you might be surprised at the denominator of quality discourse available from these regions

      Yes I expect I will be surprised. I will not have realised that there were so many more wealthy widows of African princes.

  4. Fucking space nutters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, what the hell are they thinking? The Google internet blimp idea was a stroke of genius compared to this drooling idiocy.

    I assume cryptocurrency is part of this plan somewhere, too. It has to be.

  5. Me? Getting Ready To Watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A liar and cheat rat on a liar and a cheat for whom he lied and cheated. Must see, and only on NBC. Oh, yeah, Russia, too, baby!

  6. I think it's sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when companies seeking to (re)build internet infrastructure don't know the difference between the internet and the world-wide web.

    Both are broken, in different ways, but both are wildly different. I really wouldn't want a connection that only gives me "web"-access, like teh zuck's "internet.org free basics" idiocy. I don't know what this is, but I certainly don't trust the blurb. It sounds moronic.

  7. Australia rejoice! There is hope yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those that are in rural areas know how bad the sky muster is.
    One question, whats the price?

    1. Re:Australia rejoice! There is hope yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, they are not on the internet because they cannot afford the currently available options and this option does not sound cheap either.

  8. Re:Internet over satellite is painful by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

    GEO != LEO.

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  9. I wonder what the Chinese think about this? by supremebob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have to wonder what the Chinese Government thinks about projects like this, as it seems like a pretty easy way to bypass their countries firewall restrictions.

    How do they stop something like this? Ban the ownership of OneWeb receivers? How would they even enforce that? Would they take even more drastic efforts if the service became popular, like run a signal jammer on that frequency?

    I doubt that it would get to the point where they start shooting down "rogue" satellites over their airspace, but I guess that's what Trump wants Space Force for :)

    1. Re: I wonder what the Chinese think about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      China quite successfully regulates/restricts sale and distribution of non-licensed radio equipment. I.e., I live in a major Chinese city and so far havenâ(TM)t noticed private satellite dishes on homes or apartments as you would elsewhere. The Chinese state is quite effective at surpressing what it wants surpressed.

    2. Re:I wonder what the Chinese think about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could jam the bands such services use if they cared enough.

    3. Re:I wonder what the Chinese think about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All radio transceivers are easily detectable. Also, since these satellite systems are in low earth orbit, their coverage can be made highly selective. Any company which wants to continue doing business in China would have to comply with Chinese regulation, even from space.

    4. Re:I wonder what the Chinese think about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As silly as it sounds I would expect countries to claim airspace above them extends into space. They could jam and track any communications as an interm fix. Jammers already are quite common in Asia.

    5. Re: I wonder what the Chinese think about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not worried in the slightest. Since the Internet service is not FREE nobody can use it without making an international transaction. Money moving in/out of the country is still tightly controlled.

  10. Cost of provision by axlash · · Score: 1

    "The ultimate goal is to connect every school in the world, and bridge the digital divide," Wyler said in an interview after his pep talk. "We're bringing connectivity and enabling it for people around the world, and in rural populations."

    Sometimes, the problem isn't just lack availability of the internet, it's also the cost.

    He'll need to make sure that his internet is cheap enough that people in those rural populations can afford to use it.

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  11. Re:Internet over satellite is painful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NO mention of LEO, just space and ground stations. In fact actual information seems extremely scarce
    Still going to have time of flight delays...

  12. Bandwidth by jstott · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The radio spectrum is going to be a problem — the bandwidth just isn't there for a billion people to use the internet by satellite at the same time. As it is, phone companies are buying up every scrap they can get, and those are just line-of-site towers (so you can re-use the same frequency every 200 km). To put all that into a fleet of globally-visible satellites? I think the business vision statement has out-paced the engineering plan on this one.

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    1. Re:Bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The radio spectrum is going to be a problem â" the bandwidth just isn't there for a billion people to use the internet by satellite at the same time.

      With phase arrays and beam forming, there is a lot more bandwidth than you think.

    2. Re:Bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fleet may be globally visible (though not necessarily), but individual satellites aren't. They are in a much lower orbit than geostationary satellites. According to Wikipedia, the satellites will be at an altitude of 1200km. That means they will be visible up to 3600km away from the position directly below the satellite. It does however not mean they will be receivable in that huge area. The antennas will be directional and only cover much smaller areas, in order to be able to reuse frequencies. Frequencies will still be used in much larger areas than with ground based wireless networks, but it's not quite as bad as you make it look.

  13. Who's going to pay for it? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    So is everybody going to pay the same amount for the service or is this going to be some scam where first-world countries subsidize third-world...again?

    1. Re:Who's going to pay for it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Connecting the third world makes money for the first world - a lot. Go figure you're just a short-sighted Republican business retard who wants to be racist more than he can read about things, fucking moron.

    2. Re:Who's going to pay for it? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      So is everybody going to pay the same amount for the service or is this going to be some scam where first-world countries subsidize third-world...again?

      First-world nations steal wealth from third-world nations on the regular. Throwing them back some bread crumbs will hardly break the bank.

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    3. Re:Who's going to pay for it? by Kokuyo · · Score: 2

      Not quite.
      Ofzen enough it's local governments that steal from the people. The trade with first world countries is the first and foremost thing that can lift them out of poverty... But when the government is corrupt...

      As long as the populace lets that happen, there's little we can do about it. People cannot be freed. They need to free themselves. Gifts are worthless to the receiver most of the time...

    4. Re:Who's going to pay for it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You stole people to build your country, It's gonna be a long ass time before you have the right to complain about subsidizing an African nation.

    5. Re:Who's going to pay for it? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

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    6. Re:Who's going to pay for it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope.

      Coca-Cola were an early investor. Imagine a Coke vendor in wherever, with a Coke fridge that provides a wi-fi access point. Smart phones are now ubiquitous, and they will make sure every customer buys a cold, refreshing drink.

  14. #Panodrama by pigsycyberbully · · Score: 0

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  15. monitoring sat comm frequencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to wonder what the Chinese Government thinks about projects like this, as it seems like a pretty easy way to bypass their countries firewall restrictions.

    How do they stop something like this? Ban the ownership of OneWeb receivers? How would they even enforce that? Would they take even more drastic efforts if the service became popular, like run a signal jammer on that frequency?

    I doubt that it would get to the point where they start shooting down "rogue" satellites over their airspace, but I guess that's what Trump wants Space Force for :)

    OneWeb would be authorized (by the FCC / ITU) to only operate on certain frequencies, so the CN government could simply monitor for traffic on them and triangulate the location of transmissions.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_satellite#Frequency_Allocation_for_satellite_systems

  16. Re:Internet over satellite is painful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could read the Wikipedia article. It has information about the orbits, for example. I'll let you look it up as an exercise. You clearly need it.