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China's Huawei Has Big Ambitions To Weaken the US Grip On AI Leadership (technologyreview.com)

MIT Technology reports of how Huawei's technology road map, especially in the field of artificial intelligence, is progressing more rapidly than any other business in the world. "The [Chinese] government and private sector approach is to build companies that compete across the full tech stack," says Samm Sacks, who specializes in cybersecurity and China at New America, a Washington think tank. "That's what Huawei is doing." Huawei's AI strategy "will also raise a host of new security issues," the report notes. "The company's technological ubiquity, and the fact that Chinese companies are ultimately answerable to their government, are big reasons why the U.S. views Huawei as an unprecedented national security threat." From the report: In an exclusive interview with MIT Technology Review, Xu Wenwei, director of the Huawei board and the company's chief strategy and marketing officer, touted the scope of its AI plans. He also defended the company's record on security. And he promised that Huawei would seek to engage with the rest of the world to address emerging risks and threats posed by AI. Xu (who uses the Western name William Xu) said that Huawei plans to increase its investments in AI and integrate it throughout the company to "build a full-stack AI portfolio." Since Huawei is a private firm, it's tricky to quantify its technology investments. But officials from the company said last year that it planned to more than double annual R&D spending to between $15 billion and $20 billion. This could catapult the company to between fifth and second place in worldwide spending on R&D. According to its website, some 80,000 employees, or 45% of Huawei's workforce, are involved in R&D.

Machine-learning services are a new source of risk, since they can be exploited by hackers, and the data used to train such services may contain private information. The use of AI algorithms also makes systems more complex and opaque, which means security auditing is more challenging. As part of an effort to reassure doubters, Xu promised that Huawei would release a code of AI principles in April. This will amount to a promise that the company will seek to protect user data and ensure security. Xu also said Huawei wants to collaborate with its international competitors, which would include the likes of Google and Amazon, to ensure that the technology is developed responsibly. It is, however, unclear whether Huawei might allow its AI services to be audited by a third party, as it has done with its hardware.
In other Huawei-related news, Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou is suing Canada for violating her constitutional rights when border officials detained and interrogated her for hours. "Meng, the chief financial officer of the Chinese telecom firm Huawei, was arrested by Canadian officials in December at the request of the United States," reports NPR. "The U.S. had sought Meng's arrest on charges of fraud, arguing Huawei had violated U.S. sanctions on Iran."

62 comments

  1. Good luck to them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good luck to them because here in the US we have the best AIs!

    For example, in the 3 letter agency where I work in Palo Alto, we have the best AIs, tremendous AIs, great Ais and there doing a great job!

    The background file for my national security clearance got stolen by the Chinese a few years ago That contained a lot more information than the credit reports that Uncle Sam requested from all three bureaus.
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    1. Re:Good luck to them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

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    2. Re: Good luck to them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    3. Re: Good luck to them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    4. Re:Good luck to them! by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

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  2. Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://technode.com/2017/08/07/huawei-and-tencent-data-war/

    Funny old world, innit....

    1. Re:Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.networkworld.com/article/2223272/60-minutes-torpedoes-huawei-in-less-than-15-minutes.html

    2. Re:Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please stop reposting this crap, nobody has torpedoed anyone. TFA is just a bunch of suppositions, conjectures, innuenods and arguments from (a rather questionnable) authority.

  3. Going to prison. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "That's what Huawei's Chi-Com leadership is doing."
       

  4. Chinese AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Makes me want to listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  5. Innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe China will finally show that it's societal structure can provide technological innovations on their own.

    Since inventing paper they have not done much except copy or questionably iterate.

    1. Re:Innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That made me chuckle. Have a funny mod point.

    2. Re:Innovation by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      you forgot buying brand names your father or grand father barely remember making something and slapping it on a c grade TV

  6. Unprecedented national security threat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US sees China as an unprecedented national security threat because they have adopted Steve Bannon's worldview which is driving China to become more of problem.

    1. Re:Unprecedented national security threat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Bannon? Lol. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/04/trumps-insults-idiot-woodward-806455 Sorry idiot, Bannon is out of a job and China's been pricks and liars and thieves since before firecrackers. You're not inventing much here.

      Steve Bannon will probably end up in prison. China has already beaten Trump's trade bluff. Huawei is a known criminal organization run by Chi-Com propagandists and their CFO is going to prison.

      Sorry if that blew away any of your bullshit there.

    2. Re:Unprecedented national security threat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See that? You bad mouth Bannon and still push his agenda. just like he knew you would.

    3. Re: Unprecedented national security threat? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      If their CFO goes to US prison, I would worry about being a US or Canadian businessperson and doing anything that might be illegal in China. On that trip to HongKong or Singapore you might be interdicted.

      It's a risky precedent to be setting. I guess a bunch of crooked US business people in Chinese prison wouldn't be that big a loss, esp. if China has to pay to incarcerate them, but it's got to have the shady plutocrats a bit worried...

    4. Re: Unprecedented national security threat? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Either they have a case against her or they don't...we'll see. If they have one, not some made up one, then I think it would be a bad precedent to not arrest and charge her.

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  7. Yep, that's Chinese bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Technode, lol. Dogeater propaganda site.

  8. The Inscect Brain by rtb61 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    AI best goal, mimic the insect brain, which is more than good enough for any specific task and when you combine different AIs, in combination they achieve greater outcomes. However the problem with AI it is dead easy to poison, inject false data and it will fail every time. You definitely want to isolate them from uncontrolled interaction, so effectively for the AI delusion, you need an AI to feed data to the AI and another AI to control and monitor the AI but then those other AIs can also be data poisoned.

    The real goal of AI is a psychopathic sickness, control and monitor the general population for precrime persecution. Alphabet taught theirs to hack form protection methods, that are mean to keep bots out. They also want to create fake people en masse to saturate the internet with corporate propaganda, a planet with 7 billion people and 7 trillion fake AI identities to drown out the 7 billion on the internet.

    The government of China has a whole lot more in common with Alphabet/Google than should be acceptable in any real democracy, perhaps that is why they do so well in the US, not a real democracy.

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    1. Re:The Inscect Brain by bogaboga · · Score: 2

      They also want to create fake people en masse to saturate the internet with corporate propaganda, a planet with 7 billion people and 7 trillion fake AI identities to drown out the 7 billion on the internet.

      Dude, where the heck did you get this from? In short, citation needed.

    2. Re: The Inscect Brain by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Don't bother googling it. It's probably not even in an Alphabet that google would recognize.

    3. Re:The Inscect Brain by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      AI are the new contrails apparently.

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    4. Re: The Inscect Brain by Archangel_Azazel · · Score: 1

      Regardless, all we needed to know is right here:
      "As part of an effort to reassure doubters, Xu promised that Huawei would release a code of AI principles in April. This will amount to a promise that the company will seek to protect user data and ensure security. " A promise. That should keep things on the up and up, no?

      It's worked for Facecrook for years now, even as they blatantly shred that promise to ribbons.

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    5. Re:The Inscect Brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paid troll

  9. You're right, get rid of insect brain. Impeach it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-house-dems-send-message-impeachment-is-on

  10. Funny how no one gave a shit 5 years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...about China's progress. Now that it's become clear they have overtaken the US all we've gotten over the last couple of years is continual scare mongering propaganda being spewed at us 24/7 about how China is plotting to destroy western society.
    America, you had a good run. How about passing the baton without being little cry baby bitches?
    Of course I'm joking. No way in shit you're not going down without dragging us all with you.

    1. Re: Funny how no one gave a shit 5 years ago... by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      The irony is that in the early to mid Industrial Revolution, Americans got ahead because they weren't subject to the patents and restrictions that European entities were regulated by. The US was the equivalent then of China now.

    2. Re: Funny how no one gave a shit 5 years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong.

      1. Patents have existed in the US as long as the federal government has.
      2. The US was innovating from the beginning, not just copying or stealing like China does.
      3. Americans didn't "get ahead" of Europe until the second world war.

      Yep. Every assertion you made is factually wrong, and easy for any highschool student to refute.

    3. Re: Funny how no one gave a shit 5 years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why weren't they enforced on hollywood?
      Why did they keep sending spies to Europe to steal secrets and methods?

    4. Re: Funny how no one gave a shit 5 years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      yes.. naturally he is wrong and not you right?

      Piracy and Fraud Propelled the U.S. Industrial Revolution
      https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2013-02-01/piracy-and-fraud-propelled-the-u-s-industrial-revolution

      1. Patents have existed in the US as long as the federal government has.
      Not true, the young US had no printed book market for example.. and simply Stole UK books and reprinted them. it wasnt until the US had actual authors that they started enforcing anything.

      2. The US was innovating from the beginning, not just copying or stealing like China does.
      Not true, the industrial revolution in the US was mostly from stolen IP.

      3. Americans didn't "get ahead" of Europe until the second world war.

  11. Funny how your traitor hero is about to hang. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The irony is that you don't know what you're talking about in the slightest, but you keep blathering like anyone cares what your ridiculous uneducated reductionist fantacist traitor-supporting idiot ass says as if anyone ever did.

    1. Re:Funny how your traitor hero is about to hang. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP is spot on, the US engaged in what today will be called "intellectual property thievery" by the "Chi-com" troll for most of its history.

  12. the main problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The main problem with Chinese trying to do AI is that they have to translate the AI into crude primitive pictographs which comprise their "alphabet". Of course it's not really an alphabet; it is more like ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. Every word, every thought, has to have its own unique pictograph. It gets too unwieldy to be efficent, and requires 20 or 30 times the processing power compared to normal text.

    1. Re:the main problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese characters are nothing like the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics, and processing the few hundred thousand combinations of Chinese words made by the roughly 7000 characters in common use is not much different from processing any natural language with a similar number of words.

      Please don't discuss subjects that you have no idea about.

    2. Re:the main problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1.3 billion use that "crude primitive pictograph" system which has been around for something like 2200 years, but i am sure you have a better idea and can improve it? have you ever considered the fact that those who use it are OK doing so? Because it isnt yours doesn't mean it is wrong.

      Of course it's not really an alphabet; it is more like ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. Every word, every thought, has to have its own unique pictograph.

      It is clear you have zero idea what you are talking about. Go read something and come back when you have a base understanding.

  13. prease go away quickry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://youtu.be/OaKbZW0pqkM

  14. US won revolutionary war by making by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    ...Brits march all over Kingdom Come chasing people who knew the land and thus fucked with their mind via snipers and hit-and-run. Actual battles were relatively rare.

    Let Huawei/China go right ahead and blow their wad on over-hyped shit.

    1. Re:US won revolutionary war by making by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      That plus the French navy.

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    2. Re:US won revolutionary war by making by dwater · · Score: 1

      You make them sound like traitors/terrorists.

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  15. China AI Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is a report that helped me understand what is going on in China's AI ecosystem from an economic and military perspective

    https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/understanding-chinas-ai-strategy

  16. Funny that, guess who got to write history. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny that, guess who got to write history.

  17. China's Huawei is ...... by evanchik · · Score: 1

    The only one that makes a stable generic driver for my graphics cards

  18. cry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have a short window to pull ahead before the U.S. wakes up and nukes them.

  19. All that spying and cash paid off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently boatloads of American cash from the US trade deficit combined with systematic spying of every other company and government of the world really paid off.

  20. Industrial espionage & wire fraud by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1

    Huawei's "big ambitions" were not without controversy. The director in the interview conveniently neglected to mention that they are under investigation for wire fraud, money laundering, and evading international sanctions against Iran, have been caught red-handed engaging in industrial espionage, and has a bonus system for employees who engage in theft of US trade secrets.

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  21. a good thing about this, is a race by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Seriously, America has been coasting since reagan. Back when we had the economy, we poured loads of money into R&D. Since 1980, America's GOP have continue to gut R&D, esp. basic R&D. Now, China is about to force us to change or lose.

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    1. Re: a good thing about this, is a race by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America has been coasting on its laurels.

  22. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I say Let them.
    What they call "AI" is actually "Big Data"

    There was a lot of advance in comuter vision and similar algorithm but AI? what AI?

  23. Wrong target by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    Screw the AI. How much blockchain technology are they investing in?

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  24. WRONG: My work stops threats... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  25. That's not I & I'm physically lots diff vs. CD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not I & I'm physically lots diff vs. CDR (literally probably "1/2 the man" he is in weight alone (not knocking you either CDReimer - whevever you are, I saw your "I left /. video" & though I feel YOU may have "taken a potshot @ me" since I'm a former 1st string/starter NCAA athlete in my past? it's just fact as I'm around 210 lbs. currently)).

    * As to the REST of your LIES & LIBEL of myself? FUCK YOU & take a read https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

    APK

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  26. Suing Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps western countries should treat foreign citizens by the rules of their mother country.
    Perhaps she would be less quick to complain about human rights in that case.

    Funny how the rich in China recognise the need to have a GTFO location and have chosen Canada.
    But when it suits them, they have the weight of the state behind them calling the shots.

    Perhaps the liberal west needs to treat those foreign citizens with the same level of respect and decency as they are used to back home.