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Bill Gates Talked With Google Employees About Using AI To Analyze Ultrasound Images of Unborn Children (cnbc.com)

Bill Gates said he talked to Google researchers about the application of artificial-intelligence technology in healthcare. "While Microsoft and Google are arch-competitors in many areas, including cloud computing and artificial intelligence research, the visit is an example of how Gates' broad interest in technology trumps Microsoft's historical rivalries with other tech companies," reports CNBC. From the report: Gates talked about the use of AI in weapons systems and autonomous vehicles before arriving at the subject of health care. "In the medical field, you know, we just don't have doctors. Most people are born and die in Africa without coming near to a doctor," said Gates, who is co-chair of the nonprofit Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which concerns itself with improving global health among other things. "We're doing a lot of work with analyzing ultrasound, and we can do things like sex-blind the output, because we're not having anybody actually see the image. We can tell you what's going on without revealing the gender, which is, of course -- when you do that, it drives gendercide. And yet, we're doing the analysis, the medical understanding, in a much deeper way, and that's an example where it's all done with a lot of machine learning."

"I was meeting with the guys at Google who are helping us with this this morning, and there's some incredible promise in that field, where, in the primary health-care system, the amount of sophistication to do diagnosis and understand, for example, "Is this a high-risk pregnancy?' 'Yes.' 'Let's escalate that person to go to the hospital level,' even though you couldn't afford to do that on a widespread basis. So this stuff is going to be very domain-specific."

52 comments

  1. anything to "help" radiologists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    out of their profession

    http://skepticalscalpel.blogsp...

    if people knew how insensitive imaging technologies are and how it's mostly just an opinion of an interpretation of noise on a screen they would be terrified of doctors

    they can't even get their shit together with the appendix

    so hell yeah automate these fuckers into the 21st century and put healthcare into the hands of the patient not the quacks behind the curtain

    1. Re:anything to "help" radiologists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      High-Risk OB/GYN is usually not read by Radiologists. It is read by OB/GYN providers specialized in their interpretation.
      While Radiologists can, and do, these exams are best left to those who read them day in and day out.

      Disclaimer: I support IT for a high-risk OB/GYN clinic, as it is often referred to as Maternal Fetal Medicine in the industry.

      The imaging for these is only as good as your UltraSonographer, Snographer, scanning equipment and imaging application.
      AI will do crap for this initiative, unless you can acquire accurate imaging. Which means good gear, better personnel, and modern exam rooms.

  2. Bill Gates lol. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a neuter.

    1. Re: Bill Gates lol. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, how anyone can take that faggot seriously, I donâ(TM)t know. Fucking hang the piece of shit I say. Let the Africanâ(TM)s eat him.

  3. Deep Dreaming Ultrasound Images of Your Fetus by Psion · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I've seen Deep Dream images. Puppy eyes and muzzles all over her fetus is just what every expectant mother wants to see.

    1. Re:Deep Dreaming Ultrasound Images of Your Fetus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unborn children are beautiful to their mom's. I've seen them get weepy over blobs of gray, because they see them for what they are, their babies.

    2. Re:Deep Dreaming Ultrasound Images of Your Fetus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your mom drank, it's why you can't learn apostrophes.

    3. Re:Deep Dreaming Ultrasound Images of Your Fetus by quenda · · Score: 1

      Your mom drank, it's why you can't learn apostrophes.

      apostrophe's.

    4. Re:Deep Dreaming Ultrasound Images of Your Fetus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Deep dreaming is a specific setup and deliberately made that way to try to mimic creativity.

  4. Re:Who is Al? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who is General Failure and why is he trying to read my drive?

  5. Re: Who is Al? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On a clear disk you can seek forever.

  6. Can't wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For that cunt Ken Doll to spew some more diarrhea in this story.

  7. Re:Killing nazi faggots is a PROUD American tradit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/patti-davis-trump-ronald-reagan_n_5c916ea2e4b0dbf58e4582e8

  8. Just like how he helped Go Inc with pen computers by Locutus · · Score: 1

    He is such a sweet guy and so helpful. Bless his tiny little heart.
    You know he was just trying to help people get on the Internet when he started paying people to use Microsoft Internet Explorer instead of Netscape Navigator.
    And he hired the top software architects away from Borland to create Microsoft .Net because Java was harmful to developers and you know, he really believed Philippe Kahn wanted to do something different.

    LoB

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  9. ***UNBORN CHILDREN*** ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    How dare you describe those blobs of parasitic meats as ***UNBORN CHILDREN*** !!!

    We females have the right to our own body, ***AND WE DO NOT WANT THOSE PARASITES INSIDE OURBODY*** !!!

    1. Re:***UNBORN CHILDREN*** ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Abortion should be legal up to 18 years after birth. That would show those parasites who's queen!

    2. Re: ***UNBORN CHILDREN*** ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Close your legs; Iâ(TM)m trying to eat breakfast.

    3. Re:***UNBORN CHILDREN*** ??? by infuriatedweasel · · Score: 2

      Unless they're female children. Then it's "Gendercide." If they're male, then they're not children, they are parasitic blobs.

    4. Re:***UNBORN CHILDREN*** ??? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      You beat me to it. Funny how the pro-choice companies will switch language and recognize a life when it suites them.

      https://californiafamily.org/2...

      https://www.christianpost.com/...

    5. Re:***UNBORN CHILDREN*** ??? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      We females have the right to our own body, ***AND WE DO NOT WANT THOSE PARASITES INSIDE OURBODY*** !!!

      "Have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn' t want to fuck in the first place"

      Man..I miss George Carlin...we need him around more than ever today.

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  10. Re:Just like how he helped Go Inc with pen compute by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    I would have just gone with, 'FUCK M$ invading your privacy before you are even fucking born', let me guess what next, an RFID chip inserted at birth, fixed to your skull near your auditory canal, using bio electrical currents for energy listening in and some chirpy fuckwit paper clip 'Telling' you want to do, wired into Windows anal probe 10 at birth.

    Sorry M$, you have out and out proven, you are part of the POS greed obsessed problem and most definitely not part of the solution for anything, just a scummy POS psychopathically manipulative and socially destructive corporation. Obsessed by nothing but your greed and ego and see people as nothing but something to be exploited, except in the PR=B$ but everyone knows that stuff is just marketing to cover up the kind of anti-consumer corporation M$ really is, tell me where do you pay your taxes, where the product is made or perhaps where it is sold or just another pack of tax cheating cunts whilst demanding billions in government funds.

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  11. That's going to make things worse by Solandri · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Contrary to popular belief, the population growth rate in developed countries is nearly zero. Nearly all of the world's population growth is happening in developing countries, and Africa has the highest growth rate by far. So as well-intentioned as these humanitarian measures are (saving babies, food, medicine, clean water, etc), they actually exacerbate the suffering of these people. Medicine, clean water, and saving babies will cause their population to increase faster than it should be growing, forcing them to spread already-limited resources even thinner. Food aid puts local farmers out of business by depressing the market value of their crops, and discouraging others from taking up farming.

    The correct way to help them is to help them develop their economies - improve their education systems (that's what the One Laptop per Child project was trying to do), help them build their civil infrastructure, keep criminals and militants in check, and promote private businesses. Then they can train their own doctors, build their own hospitals, grow their own food, pump their own clean water, and save their own babies. As barbaric as it sounds, right now the babies need to die at a high rate to keep their population growth in check. The high infant mortality rate there is symptom of their undeveloped economy. Treating the symptom with addressing the root cause just exacerbates the problem and their suffering.

    1. Re:That's going to make things worse by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      That's making assumptions. Another hypothesis is that people in developed countries have fewer kids because they aren't worried about their kids dying.

      My great grandma had 15 siblings but only one of them survived. With that kind of survival rate, it's only natural too have extra just in case.

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    2. Re:That's going to make things worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are a fucking clueless idiot. technology is not what they need. The reason the birthrate is so high there is because of the very poor health and the high rate of poverty. Imagine if you were dirt poor and knew the only way you could survive in your later years of life was by the support of your children, yet any child you had has a reasonable likelihood of never making it to adulthood or being unable to care for you. the ONLY safe avenue for you at the moment is lots of kids in the hope to keep the family and yourself alive. Fix the poverty and health and you fix the problem of the exploding population. give them technology and it is just another doorstop or something to sell to try and stay alive. You can't jump straight to tech and expect everything else will sort itself out.

    3. Re:That's going to make things worse by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      And your great grandma had limited options of contraception.
      My GF is Thai, she gets 50 in a few weeks. She had 11 siblings. 4 died in childhood, and 3 during adulthood. When she was 12: her mother explained to her about contraception and that condoms where not available when she (the mother) was younger.
      She and her 4 surviving sisters, all only have one child. If they have had less kids, they would be rich now, because due to inheritance, their land got split up on 8 siblings ...

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    4. Re: That's going to make things worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, somebody would be rich. Were they the first born?

    5. Re:That's going to make things worse by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The global birth rate has been falling for decades, mostly due to education and empowerment of women. For example, Bangladesh went from an average of over 8 (!) children per woman to around 2.4 now. Globally the rate has gone from around 5.5 to under 2.5 today.

      https://www.google.com/publicd...

      The population of the world continues to rise more quickly than this data might suggest because people are also living longer, so there are more generations alive at the same time.

      Better healthcare tends to reduce the birth rate. When women come in to get an ultrasound scan it's an opportunity to educate them, and to talk to them about family planning. It also makes them feel more secure about their children's future, and so less inclined to have many as a way to mitigate the risk of their family dying out.

      Using AI will make scans both more widely available and help prevent forced abortions based on the gender of the child.

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    6. Re:That's going to make things worse by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Nobody is arguing it's not natural, just that it's not wise anymore.

      And, ironically, it is wise in developed, free nations because that increases the rate of technological advancement and resource issues are solved faster than they become problems.

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  12. Like Kill mosquitoes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you remember the mosquito laser zapper, that never was finished, Gate's history of delivering on these subjects leaves a lot to be desired.
    Google are trying to kill *ALL* mosquitoes using genetics, which will never be rolled out as too risky and vast overkill.
    Gates hired someone to do the laser zapping thing for the PR result, and never followed through with a safer smaller project after the PR release.

    So the combination of Google and Gates will be unlikely to deliver any solution that's moderate or practical. Lots of PR kudos for them, but nothing actually concrete.

  13. Watch your language, MSNBC. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    Use terms like 'unborn children' and people will accuse you of trying to subtly push a side in the abortion debate.

    The same thing will happen if you use 'fetus' instead though. I can't think of any term that wouldn't potentially lead to that outcome.

    1. Re:Watch your language, MSNBC. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intrauterine homo sapien life?

    2. Re: Watch your language, MSNBC. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Guarantee you they wonâ(TM)t be calling any aborted white babies unborn children. Those are just pieces parts to be sold off to makeup companies and medical schools.

    3. Re:Watch your language, MSNBC. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Unborn.

      Two types of people in this world - those that wish to control the lives of others (including denying it), and those that don't.

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    4. Re:Watch your language, MSNBC. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except it is not alive. It's just a mass of parasitic cells that rob the host body of nutrients until the host is finally able to expel it.

    5. Re:Watch your language, MSNBC. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't think of any term that wouldn't potentially lead to that outcome.

      Undead?

    6. Re:Watch your language, MSNBC. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tumor.

  14. say what you want about Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But he's an awesome, awesome dude. Wish more people with influence were like him.

    1. Re: say what you want about Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People here shriek about him. Then they yawn and look away when Larry Ellison is mentioned. It's weird.

  15. Re:Just like how he helped Go Inc with pen compute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's an excellent idea, you could do builtin 'wrong thoughts suppressor', your slaves i mean workers will never again complain about low pay or shit work conditions. Go democracy and freedom of speech, technology for the better future :D

    It will happen too, cause you all are just dumb bootlickers and yes men. hahaha

  16. Other AI projects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also talk Google into creating AI to stop robo-calls, as long as you're on the Google bandwagon.

  17. Sure it wasn't how to abort them better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google is ground zero of the baby killing abortionist cult. I'm sure all they were interested in was to remotely abort babies via ultra sound weapons.

  18. Re: Just like how he helped Go Inc with pen comput by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And people say this community died off years ago to be replaced by a bunch of twatty children...

  19. current year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I prefer to think of these clusters of cells as 'potential abortions'

    When will we free all the innocent men from jail that simply performed mid life abortions on other cellular clusters?

    It's time for change

  20. Facial recognition early and often! by Myrrh · · Score: 1

    Sure. If we can get those babies in Federal databases before they're even born, so much the better. Homeland Security is totally on board.

  21. Re:Sandy Hook by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    You're probably right. However, you should recognize you, yourself, have been pwned by memes, such as the "Have sex!" variant designed to dissuade political participation, and could yourself be a paid astroturfing shitstirrer.

    Nobody knows. Which is the problem.

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