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Hoping To Fix College Teaching, CMU Open-Sources Trove of Software (edsurge.com)

Wednesday CMU announced the open sourcing of its adaptive-learning software platform -- plus analytics and dozens of other related tools for improving college teaching -- as part of a national push "in an unusual move intended to shake up how college teaching is done around the world," writes EdSurge.

Long-time Slashdot reader jyosim shares their report: Officials estimate that developing the software has cost more than $100 million in foundation grants and university dollars. The goal of the software giveaway is to jump-start "learning engineering," the practice of applying findings from learning science to college classrooms. If it takes off, the effort could result in a free, open-source alternative to a growing number of commercial adaptive-learning and learning analytics tools aimed at colleges. One of the biggest concerns by college leaders about buying such tools from commercial vendors is whether colleges will have access to the underlying algorithmic logic -- or whether the systems will be a "black box...."

"We need a scientific revolution in education akin to the one that we had in medicine 150 years ago," said Michael Feldstein, coordinator of the Empirical Educator Project, in a statement. "This isn't a silver bullet, and it isn't charity. It's an invitation to the educators of the world for us all to solve big problems together."

CMU's Nobel prize-winning economics professor Herbert Simon once argued of colleges that "we must step back and view them with Martian eyes, innocent of their history, to appreciate fully how outrageous their operation is... [W]e find no one with a professional knowledge of the laws of learning, or of the techniques of applying them."

Kenneth R. Koedinger, a professor of human computer interaction and psychology at Carnegie Mellon, now argues that "we need to change higher ed from a solo sport to a collaborative research activity."

71 comments

  1. What we really need! by NEDHead · · Score: 1

    Separate research/publication and teaching as distinct abilities and reward each for what they are.

    1. Re:What we really need! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Separate research/publication and teaching as distinct abilities and reward each for what they are.

      That would be a good start. My best college courses were taught by non-tenure-track lecturers. The worst instructors were old professors who wanted to be doing something else, and whose time was way more expensive than the lecturer.

      Professors should do research and teach graduate seminars. Undergrad classes should be taught by professional instructors who know how to teach.

      But colleges can also make much more use of technology. They could use online instruction for many of the lectures, and only meet in-class once per week, or even less, to focus on applying what was learned in the lectures, much like the flipped classroom model used in some high schools.

    2. Re: What we really need! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Colleges cannot afford a two tier level of instruction and research.

      A two tier system costs less, and colleges that have adopted that model have mostly done so to save money. The improvement in teaching quality has been a side effect.

      What colleges can't afford is to pay a world class researcher to teach introductory freshman courses.

    3. Re: What we really need! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to be a uni teacher at a teaching school (non PhD institution) so bad, and I simply canâ(TM)t pay the stress price of the research. I was in a major university PhD program, but itâ(TM)s too much for me. I understand why itâ(TM)s like that. They need more cheap labor. But it sucks! And Iâ(TM)ve had some good teaching/tutor experiences.

    4. Re:What we really need! by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The best learning sessions I had were during the tutorials and that was dependent upon the specific skills of the tutor. No machine learning for that, one tutor with good knowledge and a desire to teach and ten students or less, that worked the best. All the rest, meh.

      Computers should only be used in STEM subjects (win, lose or draw on your own skill set and tested under pressure because all STEM learning will be applied in the workplace under pressure, fail and you can cause real harm), most other subjects should be manual as they generally relate to the interaction of humans and not machines, hence people should interact with people to teach them how to interact with people.

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    5. Re: What we really need! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who is teaching in a non-research university, let me tell you that you do not want the job if you could not handle the stress of a PhD program. Half this job is organizational ability and perseverance. When you have 400 students a semester and three different lectures to prep every day, you cannot afford a misstep, and everything either runs by the plans you made in the summer or collapses in a heap. The other half of the job is keeping up with research, both to publish for the sake of advancing your own career and to present to students in class. The world is not static, and you cannot teach the same thing from year to year. There is no good teaching without research at the university level: that might fly in primary or secondary school, but not in college.

    6. Re: What we really need! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What colleges can't afford is to pay a world class researcher to teach introductory freshman courses.

      Which is why they don't. First-year graduate students did most of that in my math department.

    7. Re: What we really need! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to be a starting forward for the NBA, while driving Formula One for Ferrari with a brwak every two years for my Olympic medal goals in Gymnastics and the Biathalon, but the stress of working out and eating well is just too steep a peice to pay too.

      I feel for you brother, the world is just out to get us auoer cool and totally awesome people who would shine if not for the whole BS of "minimally acceptable qualifications" the Man forces down on us.

  2. Opportunity by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sounds like a golden opportunity to set up some learning portals/schools for highly specific fields or niche pursuits.

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    1. Re: Opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      View anything from CMU as a gift (or Trojan) horse. SEI CMM/CMMI might have some validity within the peculiar realm of defense contracting, but it is expensive poison elsewhere: a consultancy and "training" racket.

  3. It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The problems with colleges are deep and hard to fix.

    Parents and others have been sold a bill of goods that without a college education, a person is less than worthless. So they will pay any price. And spend a hundred K for a bachelors degree.

    And since the goal has morphed from a saleable skill to mere posession of a degree, ridiculous majors like philosophy and gender studies graduates ant their parents are expecting the graduate to be firmly emplaced in a 6 figure career right after graduation.

    Research has become the raison d'etre for the Universities while the parents are expecting the kids to get that valuable degree.

    There are so many layers of middle management being added that one would think that the main purpose of Universities is not education, not research, but middle management.

    Finally, having spent several decades at a University, they have really become pretty toxic environments for around half of the population, leading to over-representation of the other half, and unfortunately many of that half are not pursuing degrees that lend themselves to financial solvency or paying back that 100 K loan.

    Nw tell me about how open sourcing software is going to fix this?

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    1. Re:It isn't High School by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It isn't. It's intended to be a distraction.

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    2. Re:It isn't High School by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      unfortunately many of that half are not pursuing degrees that lend themselves to financial solvency or paying back that 100 K loan.

      Once AOC is elected president, all the student loans will be forgiven. Problem solved.

    3. Re:It isn't High School by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what smartass?

    4. Re:It isn't High School by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She will give everyone free tuition and UBI along with free healthcare and free solar panels to put on your free house.

      And she already answered the question of where the funding will come from: "You just pay for it."

    5. Re:It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      It isn't. It's intended to be a distraction.

      There are pretty much two separate Universities in the same place. The one is the University of the people who are taking the majors that will allow them to have something of a skillset to support themselves. Engineering comes to mind.

      The second one is degrees in subjects that mainly consist of people giving their opinion. The careers available for these majors are mostly replacing the present instructor or one at another campus.

      But Gee - why don't people just take those courses that give them a good chance of gainful employment?

      Relevant to your point of it being a distraction, it is the "College Experience". While the people having the College experience are busy partying and abusing their livers, and having a grand old time, the EE or other engineering major - or other worthwhile degree - is studying in the library or the lab. It is work.

      And given the choice between partying hardy and hard work, and given that modern people seem to think one degree is worth the same as any other, it shouldn't be a surprise what many choose.

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    6. Re:It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      unfortunately many of that half are not pursuing degrees that lend themselves to financial solvency or paying back that 100 K loan.

      Once AOC is elected president, all the student loans will be forgiven. Problem solved.

      Now if they can just find gainful employment with that communications degree.

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    7. Re:It isn't High School by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Now if they can just find gainful employment with that communications degree.

      Not a problem. They can just live off UBI.

    8. Re:It isn't High School by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      That should probably be *which* smartass. But it might not even be a smartass at all.

      In any case, I haven't figured it out yet.

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    9. Re:It isn't High School by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, whenever it comes to tax cuts for the rich and military spending, we always seem to have enough money for that.

      The truth of the matter is that if we cut military spending and restored taxes to what they were 20 years ago, we would have more than enough money for those things. It's not that we don't have the money to do great things, it's that we lack the will. And with most politicians being owned by powerful interests, it's no surprise that things that benefit the people are always at the very bottom of the list of priorities.

    10. Re:It isn't High School by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are pretty much two separate Universities in the same place. The one is the University of the people who are taking the majors that will allow them to have something of a skillset to support themselves. Engineering comes to mind.

      Where did you get the idea that the purpose of a university was to give you a "skillset" so you could be a wage slave? You can go back in history and that has literally never been the purpose of a university.

      The second one is degrees in subjects that mainly consist of people giving their opinion. The careers available for these majors are mostly replacing the present instructor or one at another campus.

      That isn't a description of any system of higher education in the world, or any course of study.

      I think you should talk to some people who have actually spent time at university.

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    11. Re:It isn't High School by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ridiculous majors like philosophy

      Because critical thinking is not important, and neither is logic. Head of CMU's IT got a philosophy degree... look what it got him. /sarcasm.

      Just like a computer scientist does anything at all as a computer scientist, whether it is weather modeling or yard work, so does a philosopher do anything at all with the tools of philosophy, and powerful tools they are. Philosophy graduates often earn way more than engineers, and unlike engineers, have no ceiling for their salaries.

      only dumbshit classless culture-less friendless engineers think philosophy is ridiculous, and ironically philosophy reserves the notion of absurdity just for them.

    12. Re:It isn't High School by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a fucking idiot. People with "ridiculous majors" like philosophy go on to become programmers and lawyers (logic). People who study gender studies go on to become lawyers, start their own businesses...

      Majors do not directly determine your job. It isn't trade school.

      Your long rant sounds like an old man railing against "them liberal colleges". You sound like a fucking MRA incel. Go back to your cave.

    13. Re:It isn't High School by gweihir · · Score: 1

      My take also. By know everybody really involved must know that teaching is not a tech-question. I could teach my software security course without any problem just with a blackboard and email and the students would need some networked computer access to code the exercises. That is massively below what is available anyways. No, good teaching requires good teachers, time, selection of the right students (Ones that want to learn stuff and not just want to get that degree on the cheap and the best grades possible. The second group has no business being academics. You can only teach those that can be taught and want to be taught.), meaningful feedback to the teachers and teachers that really understand their subject and the relevant part of the real world. The last is critical and often missing with pure academic teachers. Personally, I teach one course and supervise one lab. But the rest of the time I do industrial work and keep current. That gets hugely appreciated by the students. Also, as to teaching skills, it really comes down to some personality traits and to clear thinking and the ability to identify what is important and what not and to represent that. It is very important to realize that you are there for the students and that it is not about making things so complicated that you can demonstrate what a genius you are (an unfortunately frequent mistake). Beyond that, the impact of teaching skills becomes low, at least on academic level, because most of the actual learning effort has to be done by the students themselves anyways.

      What is absolutely critical to realize though is that only something like 20-30% of a generation has any business getting an academic education. The rest is far better served with other options and putting them trough academic education is harmful to themselves and to society.

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    14. Re:It isn't High School by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Having done the CS thing myself, there were some parties, but not a lot. One of the Profs said in the beginning "This course is intended to bring you to your limits. If you are still with us after that, then you are one of those we want." He was right, and those partying all the time were gone pretty soon. STEM majors are intellectually tough. They can understand things. That puts them ahead of 80% of the population, including most students and graduates of other subjects. It also makes them replaceable by nothing else than similar graduates, even if the software economy is still trying to do demanding engineering jobs with amateurs. With predictable results.

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    15. Re:It isn't High School by gweihir · · Score: 1

      While you probably meant that as a joke, it is likely the only option to keep society going medium-to-long-term. 20% of the population doing hardcore jobs, the rest basically not working or volunteering. And even that will be a huge problem as especially those 80% that are not really fit for academic education often have trouble finding meaning in life without work. And that creates unrest, mental illness (strongly on the raise, I wonder why?), destructive behavior, etc.

      An UBI is necessary, but it is nowhere near a working solution. And yes, I will be one of those paying overall, not benefiting. I am just able to overcome egoism and see what is.

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    16. Re:It isn't High School by gweihir · · Score: 1

      A yes, that would be "those" programmers. I have cleaned up a few of the messes they routinely make because of lack of insight and talent.

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    17. Re:It isn't High School by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      The problems with colleges are deep and hard to fix.

      Parents and others have been sold a bill of goods that without a college education, a person is less than worthless. So they will pay any price. And spend a hundred K for a bachelors degree.

      And since the goal has morphed from a saleable skill to mere posession of a degree, ridiculous majors like philosophy and gender studies graduates ant their parents are expecting the graduate to be firmly emplaced in a 6 figure career right after graduation.

      There is a big problem where parents believe the only path to success is a degree and a 6-figure office job. That's something parents have been bamboozled on and is definitely not true.

      However, the number of people with "useless" degrees is not as big as it might seem - sure the arts side does have a lot of them, but a lot of arts majors are actually graduating with business degrees, which is a something very useful. Granted, a lot of it is sales and marketing, but it's still something job related.

      As for the whole college degree is necessary, there are plenty of opportunities elsewhere - the trades are deeply lacking, and as such can pay extremely well. 6 figures is not beyond the realm of possibility, and while it's not an office job, it's still a respectable job, just one where one might get their hands actually dirty.

      And a lot of trades education can be done on the cheap at local community college so instead of graduating with 6 figures of debt to go along with a degree, you've got very little if you've managed to scrimp and save.

      Plus, it seems being forced into the whole degree and office job mentality is bad for a lot of people - they want to get their hands dirty mucking with engines or pipes or iron or whatever, not poking buttons on a spreadsheet, so there's a good chance to increase job and life satisfaction too.

    18. Re:It isn't High School by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've cleaned up after programmers with CS degrees. But whatever, keep your anecdotal evidence and biases, you don't fucking matter, and aren't persuasive to anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

    19. Re:It isn't High School by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You seem to be unaware what an "implication" is and mistake if for an "equivalence". You just failed CS 101.

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    20. Re:It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Having done the CS thing myself, there were some parties, but not a lot.

      True enough. I think the difference is something like an end of semester get together, or myself and a few friends/cohorts might get out after a hard evening's work. Assuming the bars were still open. But good heavens, many of the gut majors were busy getting ready for Friday and Saturday by hitting the bars on Thursday. And of course, the sports, esp football that were an excuse to get loaded on Saturday morning.

      STEM majors are intellectually tough. They can understand things. That puts them ahead of 80% of the population, including most students and graduates of other subjects. It also makes them replaceable by nothing else than similar graduates, even if the software economy is still trying to do demanding engineering jobs with amateurs. With predictable results.

      Yeah - that software economy. Another problem of modern social mores.

      We live in an age of "You can be anything you want to be, if you only try hard enough".

      No, we can't. I'm pretty damn good at what I do, To the point of being pulled out of retirement to do some more. But it is a skillset that not many have. Which is not to say that there aren't a lot of things I plain suck at doing. There are many. The difference is that I know what I'm bad at and accept that. Modern youth are told they are great at everything, and once they "find your passion" they'll be set for lifelong success.It's like they are trying to redefine passion as "something you are mildly interested in"

      And STEM will never ever be a commodity, no matter what participation trophy ideologues think.

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    21. Re:It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Take your anger issues elsewhere my dear coward.

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    22. Re:It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      A yes, that would be "those" programmers. I have cleaned up a few of the messes they routinely make because of lack of insight and talent.

      Amazing how that coward seems to think that someone who spends 100K on a gender studies degree simply "becomes a programmer". When the very things that cause a person to select that major are more likely to interfere with the intellectual ability to think like a programmer than augment it.

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    23. Re:It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Philosophy graduates often earn way more than engineers, and unlike engineers, have no ceiling for their salaries.

      only dumbshit classless culture-less friendless engineers think philosophy is ridiculous, and ironically philosophy reserves the notion of absurdity just for them.

      Coo story bro!

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    24. Re:It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I think you should talk to some people who have actually spent time at university.

      Only at University (employed status) for 35 years, and been called back because they want my skillset. Believe or not, it is your choice.

      You usually aren't so insulting. A bad day?

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    25. Re:It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I think you should talk to some people who have actually spent time at university.

      Only at University (employed status) for 35 years, and been called back because they want my skillset. Believe or not, it is your choice.

      You usually aren't so insulting. A bad day?

      If you wish to have an actual discussion on how I have come to an opinion that you think is a lie or just wrong, let me know. Elsewise, good day sir.

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    26. Re:It isn't High School by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Gender studies seems to teach nothing of use and seems to be a "modern" feminist replacement for the traditional "home economics" studies were the primary purpose was to allow women to find a husband with academic education. They seem to have replaced that with the opposite in the "modern" variant, making it even less useful as the traditional one.

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    27. Re:It isn't High School by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

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    28. Re: It isn't High School by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you find the idea of majoring in philosophy ridiculous, then I submit that you have no idea what a university--or a university education--is for. Apparently you think it's a fancy trade school. That attitude is every bit as destructive to real education as credentialism is.

    29. Re:It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Gender studies seems to teach nothing of use and seems to be a "modern" feminist replacement for the traditional "home economics" studies were the primary purpose was to allow women to find a husband with academic education.

      Definitely one of the opinion majors. I watched a video in which a woman in one of these classes launced into a scathing dismissal of critical thinking and science as one of the tools of the white male patriarchy, and was a racist and sexist concept that must be eliminated. She spent the time not spouting her nonsense looking at her smartphone. When some of the people started laughing at the kook, the instructor threatend to kick them out.

      They seem to have replaced that with the opposite in the "modern" variant, making it even less useful as the traditional one.

      Home economics is so desperately needed again, as well as civics classes. It doesn't have to be gender specific, but people should not graduate High school with no idea of how to live and work with money, or to understand how government "works".

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    30. Re: It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      If you find the idea of majoring in philosophy ridiculous, then I submit that you have no idea what a university--or a university education--is for. Apparently you think it's a fancy trade school. That attitude is every bit as destructive to real education as credentialism is.

      Unless you are independently wealthy, or happy to take a job that involves dishing out French Fries at the Drive through window, Your choices are pretty limited. Your best hope is to become the next professor of philosophy after hitting a couple different Universities and coming back with your Doctorate.

      The instillation of knowledge is a worthy goal. The world needs philosophers. Just not very many.

      Ah yes - you handed me the old Fuck Jobs - we're here to expand minds! Well, that's nice and all. But for some reason Universities have interns who want to supplement some practicality into the almost useless stuff you pour into their heads.

      Your version of a University would have 200 students, no scholarships, and everyone having wealthy parents to support them forever.

      And your dispargement of trades to the point of including the disciplines that people can make a living out of is duly noted.

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    31. Re:It isn't High School by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      My mistake, Ol. I shouldn't have dismissed your criticism. That hasn't been my experience working in higher education.

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    32. Re:It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      That should probably be *which* smartass. But it might not even be a smartass at all.

      In any case, I haven't figured it out yet.

      I dunno - which of us is the bigger smartass? Guys are so competitive yaknow.

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    33. Re:It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      My mistake, Ol. I shouldn't have dismissed your criticism. That hasn't been my experience working in higher education.

      No problem - yup, people do have a range of experiences.

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    34. Re:It isn't High School by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      As for the whole college degree is necessary, there are plenty of opportunities elsewhere - the trades are deeply lacking, and as such can pay extremely well. 6 figures is not beyond the realm of possibility, and while it's not an office job, it's still a respectable job, just one where one might get their hands actually dirty.

      The amazing thing is how long that BS has been going on. Personal anecdote here:

      In the early 70's I took both Academic and Electronics, which was considered Vocational/Technical. It wasn't easy, because the calendar was filled with no spare time. No lunch, no study halls, nothing but classes.

      I even got called into the principle's office - "You're a smart boy Ol - why would you want to take such a strange set of courses?"

      I explained - it was good to have more options.

      "But people will think you are stupid!"

      I never regretted my dual major for a moment. It has served me very well, both in career and financially.

      Now another trade that people might look into Machinist. By the time you become a master machinist, you are doing pretty darn well.

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    35. Re:It isn't High School by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 1

      While the people having the College experience are busy partying and abusing their livers, and having a grand old time

      Also, don't discount the value of networking in college. This is the chief value of the Ivy Leagues. By and large, the intellectual environment at Harvard is not any more elevated than it is at the best state schools, or small institutions like Smith or Reed. The Ivies mostly provide a sandbox for the cream of society to rub elbows with each other.

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    36. Re: It isn't High School by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry poster, the GP of this post is a known asshole. No wonder you feel insulted by him. Bitter, vitriolic holier than thou sort, who inevitably blames others for his own failings, while projecting his own vices on all others.

      GGP ain't great either.

  4. are universities for learning? by Goldsmith · · Score: 2

    If we want to improve learning and teaching at universities, the first question that should be answered is: what is the purpose of a university?

    Universities make most of their money off of either contract research and social networking, and those areas may be where their biggest contribution to society is. If we need universities to focus on education, should we split the education function out from the contract research and social networking functions?

    This is similar to asking whether retail banks should also be allowed to perform investment banking. There is a potent financial and cultural pressure to optimize activities like research grants and NCAA sports. While it is possible to also be excellent at education, generally more attention, oversight, and effort is put into other activities.

    1. Re:are universities for learning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You americans are crazy, this isn't even a question in the rest of the world. You have a serious problem conflating your educational institutions with businesses.

    2. Re:are universities for learning? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Universities make most of their money off of either contract research and social networking, and those areas may be where their biggest contribution to society is. If we need universities to focus on education, should we split the education function out from the contract research and social networking functions?

      It is shocking what people who didn't go to university think goes on at a university.

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    3. Re:are universities for learning? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      Universities make most of their money off of either contract research and social networking,

      you kinda misspelled SPORTS there.

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  5. College teaching not broken by Potor · · Score: 0

    What a crock of shit. College teaching is not broken and does not need fixing. What does need fixing is the insanity of administrators who look at student results and blame the faculty for them.

    1. Re:College teaching not broken by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      College teaching is not broken and does not need fixing.

      The cost of college has skyrocketed, student debt has soared, and graduates are not prepared for the job market.

      Our current system of higher education is broken, and absolutely needs fixing.

      What does need fixing is the insanity of administrators who look at student results and blame the faculty for them.

      The bad results are happening broadly, so it clearly is not the fault of a few faculty. It is the "system" that needs to be fixed.

      Costs need to be reined in. Students need to be counseled so they have realistic plans and expectations. We need to change our values so that completing a trade school education in welding or plumbing is at least as socially prestigious as a degree in journalism.

    2. Re:College teaching not broken by Potor · · Score: 1

      The cost of college has skyrocketed, student debt has soared, and graduates are not prepared for the job market.

      Our current system of higher education is broken, and absolutely needs fixing.

      Yes concerning the costs and debt. But teaching has not changed (which is the complaint of the article). So why does teaching need fixing?

      Regarding the last point: this of course is the problem, but it is one caused by branding and sales pitches. And this is precisely what needs to change.The point of the university is emphatically not to train employees.

    3. Re:College teaching not broken by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

      What is the purpose of a university? Is it a professional research organization? What is the difference between places like Salk and Broad and their academic neighbors?

      If education is what distinguishes a university from an institute or professional research organization, then improving educational methods and metrics should be a goal of universities. The problem is that many people working at universities would rather be working at research institutes.

      Really, many of those folks should be at research institutes. Universities need to understand how the focus on research over the past few decades has impacted the economics of time spent teaching. Fees are higher in part because the non-educational activities of universities are so lucrative. There is a market rate for professor's time, and students have to pay that market cost.

    4. Re:College teaching not broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cost of college isn't skyrocketing, it's just that the students are being asked to pay 80% when they used to be asked to pay 20% of the cost of the degree.

      As far as the students not being prepared for the job market, that's largely a byproduct of having people showing up for college who have no need or interest in the education. I deal with students every quarter who wouldn't be in school at all if they weren't receiveing generous financial aid. And those that do have a purpose for being in college likely won't receive any financial aid.

      I've been in college a total of like 8 years if I'm counting correctly, and I've never received any sort of financial assistance that wasn't available to everybody. I got some help the first couple years, but that's it, after that point, I received no help at all. I've seen the sorts of people who wind up with financial aid, and most of them shouldn't be in college at all as they're not ready for it and don't know what they're doing.

    5. Re:College teaching not broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the teaching, it's the students that are the problem. I've been working at a college tutoring students for years and every year they get lazier, less motivated and less capable of handling the work that's expected. Some students are doing better know than previously due to improved tools and resources for learning, but there's a bunch of students that wouldn't be in college at all if they had to pay.

    6. Re:College teaching not broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The high cost of university education is not going into faculty salaries. At my university, only 17 cents of each tuition dollar pays for faculty. The other 83 cents pays for everything else.

  6. Free junk the answer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Open source software has both killed the software engineer job market and lowered the bar on quality of the software (in exchange for "free").

    This is good?

    1. Re:Free junk the answer? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      If that were true, it would be a problem. It is not true. May as well say standardized components have killed the market for mechanical engineers. It has not.

      What has killed the software engineering market is a flood of really cheap but really bad coders and management too stupid to see that you cannot do engineering jobs with amateurs and expect a good outcome.

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  7. Look Harder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    W]e find no one with a professional knowledge of the laws of learning, or of the techniques of applying them

    Eh, how about looking for the numerous people who have minors, masters or at least the required minimum in educational sciences, have completed their training and therefore have gained teacher's qualifications? That said, enabling more efficient measurement collection in learning environments like distance learning is needed. Rapid iteration on educational process development is as much needed as that for software engineering, and undoubtedly an equally challenging proposition.

  8. No blockchain? by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    No blockchain? Count me out.

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  9. Learn to code by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    is going to be helped by releasing more code?

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  10. College is a storage bin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's there mostly to prevent too many people from entering the job market too soon.

  11. Would it be too hard to spell out Carnegie Melon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya know, so people would know which CMU you're talking about.

  12. learning engineering - is a thing??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so ... learning engineering is something that can only explained by ... Martians... and ... commercializing open-source tools... and who exactly needs it? sounds like an impediment to learning

  13. Re:Opportunity -- What Professors Are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Professors are not always enthusiastic about teaching because much of the expectation is to get out research. That's the "something else" they'd rather be doing or more so realize they really have to be doing.

    Research universities have these two sides: research and teaching -- the acquisition and dissemination of knowledge. The research is critically important and it's believed that those who do research consequently have more to offer learners. However, there is a great deal of pressure to produce -- even after tenure. Tenure is essential for political reasons. Research needs to be free of political influence because those pressures are present and strong without tenure and even try to persuade with tenure. If college deans or chairs could influence the results of research then they would. Similarly, if grants were dependent on the outcomes of research, this could ruin science.

    That said, I think professors could be better utilized as guest lecturers and mentors. They already do act as mentors and most tend to do a good job of that. But the whole conventional system of teaching has been long broken or substandard. Your learning is far more up to you -- the student. And in some very real ways, the chaos of the academic system actually provides a rich learning environment for a student who takes charge of his/her own education.

    Research in education has actually shown clearly that structured education, such as colleges in places like India that designate all your classes and the order you will take them for you, are less effective than random chaos. Learning out of order actually yields better recall and comprehension.

  14. Re: Would it be too hard to spell out Carnegie Mel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thereâ(TM)s only one CMU that matters

  15. An Open Letter to Grantmakers On Copyright by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    Something I first wrote in 2001: https://pdfernhout.net/open-le... "Foundations, other grantmaking agencies handling public tax-exempt dollars, and charitable donors need to consider the implications for their grantmaking or donation policies if they use a now obsolete charitable model of subsidizing proprietary publishing and proprietary research. In order to improve the effectiveness and collaborativeness of the non-profit sector overall, it is suggested these grantmaking organizations and donors move to requiring grantees to make any resulting copyrighted digital materials freely available on the internet, including free licenses granting the right for others to make and redistribute new derivative works without further permission. It is also suggested patents resulting from charitably subsidized research research also be made freely available for general use. The alternative of allowing charitable dollars to result in proprietary copyrights and proprietary patents is corrupting the non-profit sector as it results in a conflict of interest between a non-profit's primary mission of helping humanity through freely sharing knowledge (made possible at little cost by the internet) and a desire to maximize short term revenues through charging licensing fees for access to patents and copyrights. In essence, with the change of publishing and communication economics made possible by the wide spread use of the internet, tax-exempt non-profits have become, perhaps unwittingly, caught up in a new form of "self-dealing", and it is up to donors and grantmakers (and eventually lawmakers) to prevent this by requiring free licensing of results as a condition of their grants and donations."

    So, CMU has been creating an artificial scarcity of the fruits of $100 million dollars in charitable donations in hopes they could make money for themselves out charging people for access to what they build with those charitable dollars. Of course we should be happy CMU has apparently now seen the error of their ways. But doesn't anyone else here see both the foolishness of the donors (including the government) to give money under such terms (see for example the "Bayh-Dole Act") and the previous immorality of CMU (and most other research universities)?

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