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French ISPs Ordered To Block Sci-Hub, LibGen (torrentfreak.com)

The High Court of Paris has ordered several of the largest French ISPs to block access to the pirate libraries LibGen and Sci-Hub. "The decision is a setback for the sites that have come under increasing pressure, but Sci-Hub founder Alexandra Elbakyan believes that determined researchers are smart enough to find an alternative route to her site," reports TorrentFreak. From the report: Following a complaint from academic publishers Elsevier and Springer Nature, Internet providers Bouygues, Free, Orange, and SFR have been ordered (PDF) to block access to Sci-Hub and LibGen sites for the year to come. In its decision, picked up by Next INpact, the French court ruled that the two sites "clearly claim to be pirate platforms rejecting the principle of copyright and bypassing publishers' subscription access portals."

The court order targets a total of 57 domain names, including various mirror sites. The academic publishers had asked the court for a more flexible blocklist, which they could update whenever new domains would become available, but this was denied. If the publishers want to expand the blocklist, they will have to go back to court. This ensures that there remains judicial oversight over local website blockades. Also, a request for a specific IP-address block was denied. The court sided with the ISPs, who argued that they should have the freedom to choose their own blocking method, including DNS blocking. That does mean, however, that the ISPs will also have to bear the costs.
"The blockade will have some effect, though not very profound," says Sci-Hub founder Alexandra Elbakya. "The people who are using Sci-Hub because they need access to research can still unblock it using VPN, TOR and etc."

77 comments

  1. The ISP is the enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When the government wants something censored, they go to the ISPs, not Google or Facebook. We need a way around the damage.

    1. Re:The ISP is the enemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is none. The internet is a lost cause. Give up.

  2. rejecting the principle of copyright... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a good thing! Let's give them more support!

  3. Unblocked by rrohbeck · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cough, unblocked.krd, cough.

    @ThePirateProxy lists the latest domain.

    1. Re: Unblocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unnecessary. One can simply block the content from pirates. Any suggestion that there is some permanent and compelling connection to piracy is simply incorrect.

    2. Re:Unblocked by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Or use a VPN. Mulvad is 5 Euro a month, and gets around all kinds of commercial/political/geographic blocking.

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  4. Re: Hosts can get you past a dns block list... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you. Downloading now. FYI, I think a couple of ACs were asking where to find your software in the previous two stories.

  5. Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Elsevier and Springer Nature should be boycotted by authors and readers alike. They are parasites leeching off the work of others. They actively work to interfere with efforts to minimize the harm that they do. It is time we use the internet to eliminate the scientific community's need of there services.

    1. Re:Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Hi actual scientist here. I have zero intention of boycotting either of these publishers. In fact I’m about to publish a paper of research funded by public money in an Elsevier journal.

      I will not be publishing it open access nor will I post it on arXiv. If you would like to read a copy, you can buy the article, go to a library, or submit a Freedom of information act request with the funding agency.

    2. Re:Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably fake.

    3. Re:Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except that it is probably a fake. A real scientist would have mentioned preprints.

    4. Re:Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with the sentiment, but the biggest buyers of these journals are University libraries. I don't think they will join in.

    5. Re: Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The parent is an adtroturfer and is appropriately modded down.

    6. Re:Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you would like to read a copy...

      ...then I will grab it off scihub since I'm lucky enough to live in a free country. If it happened that I was unfortunate enough to live in a country that takes censorship inspiration from North Korea, I'd still use scihub since filters like this are always trivial to evade, as anyone who's searching for scientific articles in the first place will no doubt already know.

      In fact I would grab it off scihub even if I had legal access through other channels purely due to the same dramatically superior ease of use that all forms of piracy seem to enjoy.

    7. Re:Boycott by ChromeAeonuim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you're doing that out of 'publish or perish' and you really need a position, and so you really need publications in the big name journals, as much as I dislike that sentiment, it is understandable. Hate the game not the player and all.

      But if that's not the case and you're saying that out of some smug sense of elitism towards those with less access than you, than you are part of a big problem in science. Science is for everyone, not just people in developed countries who work at an institute that can afford every journal. 'Just buy the article', how absurd. Ever seen the price on those things? Yeah, just read the abstract and hope what you want to see is in the rest of the paper somewhere, and do this dozens if not hundreds of times, dropping about $30 each time. In what world is that financially reasonable? That's only slightly less absurd then submitting a FOIA request every time.

    8. Re: Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm confident you research is bullshit and safe to ignore, so I won't be doing that

    9. Re:Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can tell the post is fake because a real scientists would give away PDFs of the paper in response to personal requests from peers. When you “buy the article” the journal gets the money, not the researcher. That’s why Elsevier and its cronies force researchers to hand over their copyright with the paper.

    10. Re:Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      North Korea is perhaps the only country with good security, only a few thousand people can access the Internet. Try attacking the power grid or finding out what they had for lunch with the Internet, oh shit you can't.

      What they do is a few people are allowed to download scientific articles on the Internet. They curate and translate what they think is interesting and put that on the Intranet.

    11. Re:Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My institution modifies the copyright assignment to retain the copyright.

    12. Re: Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No the parent is an actual scientist but you believe myths trump scientific facts.

    13. Re:Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm about to publish a paper of research funded by public money in an Elsevier journal.

      If it has any value to the public that paid for it, it will be on Sci Hub soon enough

    14. Re: Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello again, astroturfer.

    15. Re:Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or in the case of a friend as I understand it, she needs to publish more to have a chance at getting her green card...

    16. Re:Boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you take tax money for your work, in the future you will not be able to publish to either of these under penalty of prison.

  6. Reflect on US rights and total EU control by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    In the USA you have the freedom from big gov to share, comment on and publish your ideas.
    In the USA you have the right to talk about code, crypto, science, math, DRM, science, the arts, politics.

    France should send a new Alexis de Tocqueville to the free USA to bring back some ideas on freedom of the press and freedom after publication.

    Under the EU and in France the ability to read, comment and publish is something that is controlled and only granted to some people.

    Enjoy the US freedom to publish, self publish, comment, link, talk about, critique. To review and put own your own theory.
    Free from brands, gov, mil, NGOs, the politics of educational institution, the EU, a French gov and think tanks.

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    1. Re: Reflect on US rights and total EU control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative


      Enjoy the US freedom to publish

      You're surely aware that the fight against Libgen started in 2015 in thhe US.

      I won't even mention a certain Aaron Schwartz, who experienced the fredumz you are so excited first hand.

      His plight was widely discussed here

    2. Re:Reflect on US rights and total EU control by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      France should send a new Alexis de Tocqueville...

      We should send France a new Alice B. Toklas, with a big batch of brownies...

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    3. Re:Reflect on US rights and total EU control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright is not a European institution and exists worldwide - primarily because of the lobbying efforts of the US. France may be the copyright extremists of the EU bloc, but the EU bloc as a whole (even post Article 17) is still way less pro-copyright than the US, or worse, Japan.

  7. The biggest thievery is that of the "science" by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 5, Informative

    publishers. Scientists don't make any money on science publications. You write for free (or sometimes are asked to pay a fee), you edit and format your article, you're expected to do peer review for free, and when your own articles get published you not only surrender your "copyright" to them, you are even expected by the greedy lawyers to pony up to access them yourself. And the fees are, indeed, exuberant.

    Ages ago, when distribution of scientific articles was mostly on paper, and "scientific publishing" was not a lawyer-run money-grabbing monopoly, those "journals" may have had some positive impact.

    This is no longer the case today. Today, those assholes sit on stuff that should have been public domain for ages, stuff that isn't theirs, and use part of their outrageous income to bribe politicians to extend their monopoly, hoping to eventually extend it into perpetuity.

    The good news is that in many fields they are already irrelevant, or becoming irrelevant fast. The community is creating their own, open-access journals online, and new metrics of academic goodness dispense with the super-promoted and meaningless indices based on perceived paid journals "prestige" factors.

    Fuck yourselves with a rusty rebar, assholes.

    1. Re:The biggest thievery is that of the "science" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have yet to meet any professional that said, "Oh, those pirates are stealing my hard work reading my publication". No, all of the professionals I've met have said "Those greedy mofo's are making money off of my hard work and I don't get a penny".

    2. Re:The biggest thievery is that of the "science" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have yet to meet any professional that said, "Oh, those pirates are stealing my hard work reading my publication". No, all of the amateurs I've met have said "Those greedy mofo's are making money off of my hard work and I don't get a penny".

      Fixed that for you.

    3. Re:The biggest thievery is that of the "science" by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Actual scientist"? More like actual Elsevier astroturfer.

      I get merit pay increases and bonuses in my salary for publishing papers

      No, you don't. Also, you don't publish.

      covered under my salary

      Yes, because you're paid by Elsevier.

      Nope journal provides free access to the author.

      LOL. You've never dealt with a "scientific" publisher as an author.

      Fees I neither pay nor worry about.

      Because you're not a scientist who depends on the budget of an institution, but an Elsevier astroturfer.

      Nobody relevant in my field publishes in an open access journal.

      Naturally. I didn't know astroturfing had them anyway.

      in certain areas of field the work is classified or access controlled and it is illegal to publish in a journal of any type

      Yours is an interesting field, you simultaneously publish and do not publish. Are you in quantum astroturfing?

    4. Re: The biggest thievery is that of the "science" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For professional scientists, dissemination is more important than the $0.00 we get by giving away all our work to publishers.

      The current system requires good publications in your CV (tenure, project funding, etc.), but beyond that, the more people can read my work, the better.

      Other fields (music, literature) may be different, of course.

      So, you utterly failed at trying to look witty.

    5. Re:The biggest thievery is that of the "science" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Sir,

      We are a global information analytics business that helps institutions and professionals advance healthcare, open science and improve performance for the benefit of humanity.

      We want to make analysis easier for everyone working in science and medicine. Growing from our roots in publishing, we help you manage work efficiently so you can spend more time making breakthroughs.

      Open science doesn’t happen by itself. And it's just a platitude without smart technology and policy to make it a reality. At Elsevier, we partner with players across the research community to make research more transparent, collaborative and inclusive — opening new possibilities for science and medicine.

      Yours respectfully,
      your Elsevier

      references: [1]
      https://www.elsevier.com/

      ps. If you don't like it, you can go fudge yourself with a rusty rebar, Sir. We will be here long after you stop with your 'ridiculous complaining' :D
      And you know what, we got a wide network in place and support of scientists on key positions. If we didn't, we wouldn't exist, would we?

      hahahahahahaha

    6. Re: The biggest thievery is that of the "science" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in a PhD program, and I would agree with most of this. In my field (CS), open access *is* becoming much more common, but I have friends in the medical school and this is less the case for them.

      Also, @Mr.DollarTon, do you kiss your mother with that mouth? I'm not exactly a fan of the publishing system, but I guess Elsevier must've took your wowwipop.

    7. Re: The biggest thievery is that of the "science" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I kiss a lot of pussy with this mouth, but I don't kiss my mother too often now. I bring flowers to her grave.

      Thanks for asking, although it has nothing to do with the topic.

    8. Re: The biggest thievery is that of the "science" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, "actual scientist here", we know what you are and who you work for.

      Now, start going up and down that piece of thick, rusty rebar pronto.

  8. Wrong by ChromeAeonuim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The decision is a setback for the sites that have come under increasing pressure,

    No, it is not a setback for those sites. They don't gain anything by people using them, and don't lose anything by getting blocked. It is a setback for all the scientists and scientifically minded people who cannot afford the exorbitant fees the journals charge, and now have more barriers to accessing (largely publicly funded) research results.

    1. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a setback as more places on earth are blocking them and treating them like criminals.
      It's easier when only the USA is the big bad wolf. When everybody is corrupt, where do you run to?

    2. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hello priveleged scientist from the north, I am a scientist from the South (africa). This doesn't affect me at all unless tey send me to France and i will make sure i do not need papers when i am there. My institution can not afford or does not want to pay for acces but we still have a job to do.

    3. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Right sure you are.
      And where does the library get the money for the access you get?
      The grants you are working under.

    4. Re: Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you ask a dead author for a copy, astroturfer?

    5. Re:Wrong by ChromeAeonuim · · Score: 4, Informative

      Lucky you. I was unaware there was any institution with a subscription to every single journal out there. Last I heard, even the obscenely wealthy Ivies couldn't boast that. Must be nice.

      Unfortunately, not everyone is so fortunate. Not all institutions have access to all journals. If you are a researcher or grad student at a smaller, less wealthy university, that's a problem. This is particularly true in less wealthy countries, where scientists and students have no choice but Sci-Hub. That is also a problem; just because they were born into a poorer country does not mean they can't contribute to science just as well.

      For another thing, you don't need to work at a university to be a scientist. Scientists are people who do science, not people who work at universities, or research institutes, or corporations. Their tax dollars likely paid for that research in some form, why should they not be able to access it?

      Yeah, for those of us with institutional access, we usually have interlibrary loan or something. If you're lucky, you can ask an author and they might respond (crapshot). But that doesn't work for everyone. And since it was more often than not publicly funded, it should be publicly accessible, not paywalled for the profit of a corporation. Science works best when everyone can see the data.

    6. Re:Wrong by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      When everybody is corrupt, where do you run to?

      To the ballot boxes and to the streets outside the seats of power in your nation/state/province.

      Loudly and persistently.

      If there is still no resolution, then all bets are off and violence is likely.

      That's the problem of always running away from such problems; they never go away and will eventually get you anyway, and the delay typically makes it even worse with the added power and control advantage the authoritarians gain from having little resistance to corruption's growth and spread for so long because people chose to run.

      Like many problems, the earlier it gets dealt with and resolved the better and less painful it will be all around.

      Strat

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    7. Re: Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ask one of their colleagues.

    8. Re:Wrong by jythie · · Score: 1

      You do realize that if you were not charging those fees to your lab that money could be spent on other resources, right?

    9. Re: Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, there is a good chance you're getting an answer from Rosen and Podolsky for that Einstein article...

    10. Re: Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can ask one of their students. Or you can get off your lazy ass and go to a library.

  9. oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Let the frogs have their new censored Utopia.

      How is Paris doing these days? It seems parts of that city are effectively off limits to it's citizens.

    1. Re:oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No loyal European citizen would complain about that. If the authorities have decided this way, it's for the greater good. We Europeans know that every person has a place and it's not our place as loyal European citizens to contest the decisions of our authorities. We are happy there are steps being taken to protect us. We would gladly inform on any malcontents or protesters. We have unity and purpose. There are things we do not know and are not meant to know for our own good. We accept that. Anyone who does not is a nazi.

  10. Thankfully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... ISPs to block access to the pirate ...

    Australia started something similar, last year. Thankfully, ISPs take the lazy option of a DNS re-direct. In the interests of not giving those ISPs more power, I urge the interested people to discover the answer.

  11. Feudalism by h4x0t · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's pre-Gutenberg in science land. If you don't have a backer with deep pockets, scientific materials are out of reach.

  12. I like science. by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    And it's a shame I have to resort to unauthorized distribution channels to access certain research.

    In the age of information, is there any reason to create the sort of roadblocks and barriers in front of valuable research? (aside from the obvious profit motive) What value is gained?

    Lots of "real" scientists here. This is a serious question, and I'm pointing it at you.

    Also, does your publicly funded work also get the current authors life + 70 years of copyright protection?

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    1. Re:I like science. by ChromeAeonuim · · Score: 4, Interesting

      is there any reason to create the sort of roadblocks and barriers in front of valuable research

      Honest answer: it's part of a bigger problem. If you want a job, you need to publish papers. If you want to publish papers, you have to do it in the major journals. It's called 'publish or perish' and it is killing academic science. But a lot of people in charge are too damned lazy to do anything about it, even though everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows it is terrible.

      So people do it because they have to. If you do the right thing, if you take a stand and refuse to play that game, you will not be rewarded for it. Someone else will get the job. Sad fact of the matter.

      The journals meanwhile are all too willing to play ball, and charge obscene fees for the papers that are published in the journals. They surely know the stupid culture of science that enables this, so they've got a lot of people kind of backed into a corner here.

      If that sounds stupid to you, that's because it is. But that's why it happens.

    2. Re: I like science. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that it's part of a bigger problem. However, I disagree that anyone is simply lazy about it. We've ended up at what seems to be a sub-optimal Nash equilibrium in the science game. Getting out by tiny steps is therefore impossible, and any a priori solution thus causes a big shift which will have unknown side-effects, and that is scary.

      If you have a possible solution, please run the simulations and do a pilot study. An existence proof for a better way is insufficient here, we need a detailed construction.

    3. Re: I like science. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One major issue that needs to be addressed in any solution is that many scientists at big institutions benefit from the status quo.

    4. Re: I like science. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One potential reason is that the journals provide a service of exclusivity of publishing. This is possibly important in light of the fact that the open-publishing standard of the internet has created a veritable cesspool of falsity and sophism.

      The unfortunate fact of the matter is that in a capitalist system, the providers of the service must make money, and pretty much their only viable monetization scheme is pay-for-access.

      The current system has flaws, but improving upon those flaws requires more than simply pointing them out. If you have a better system that is deeply reasoned and thoroughly researched, please do share.

    5. Re:I like science. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Information Age is long over. We live in the Surveillance Age. Deal with it.

    6. Re: I like science. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it’s not broken don’t fix it. Scientific publishing isn’t broken so there’s no need to fix it.

      Sincerely an actual scientist.

    7. Re: I like science. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi there, actual Elsevier employee, please keep fucking yourself on that rusty rebar piece.

  13. Sci-Hub for the win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously, Sci-Hub is the best thing since sliced bread for the average Joe. If I read some interesting science news, I can just go and read up the research it's based on, I don't need to have access to university library. Publishers and serious researchers aren't really affected, university libraries already have all the subscriptions and they are paying the fees and academics have access through the libraries. A bit of piracy really changes nothing in that system.

    1. Re:Sci-Hub for the win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The average joe should get his filthy peasant hands off science. Science is not for the unwashed. Stay away from things you are not meant to understand. Everyone has and must have their place. If you're not a scientist you do not need to meddle with things you have no right to meddle with. I know not everyone has the scope to understand this, so it stands to reason that it should be enforced by law. Know your place.

  14. How effective? by lorinc · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many French universities are using private ISPs...

  15. Thank you Elsevier and Springer Nature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Thank you Elsevier and Springer Nature for providing us with a helpful list of the most useful libraries of free science publications!

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  17. Free idea by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

    So maybe this use case could be a non-scam use for blockchain - the most useful thing the journals do in the internet era is sort of authentication; they curate papers from reputable sources and sort of help facilitate the peer review. This gets hard to do when you decentralize, so maybe a blockchain can be utilized to manage the peer credentialing that elevates the impact of a paper.

  18. But can the French block by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    ...the Streisand effect?

    PS: Thanks for the links to those two sites, didn't know about them before. I do now. :)

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  20. This thread by k2r · · Score: 1

    This thread must be the one with the most comments moderated informative / insightful in the history of slashdot.

  21. Countermeasure by ealsmyr · · Score: 1

    My ISP Bahnhof here in Sweden was ordered the same thing. They decided to block Elsevier web properties as well for good measure.