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DVD and Blu-Ray Sales Nearly Halved Over Five Years, MPAA Report Says (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: In its annual Theatrical Home Entertainment Market Environment report, the Motion Picture Association of America described an immensely sharp drop-off of physical media sales over the past five years. According to the data, which was obtained from DEG and IHS Markit, global sales of video disc formats (which in this context means DVD, Blu-ray, and UltraHD Blu-ray) were $25.2 billion in 2014 but only $13.1 in 2018. That's a drop in the ballpark of 50 percent.

Don't expect 8K Blu-rays or other emerging quality-focused formats to turn the tide, either. Market data published by Forbes showed that the aging, low-definition DVD format still accounts for 57.9 percent of physical media sales, and 4K Blu-rays are only 5.3 percent. With drops that sharp, you'd expect apocalyptic financials for companies making and distributing movies. However, while there are certainly losers in this trend, the overall industry actually grew over the same period. Home entertainment spending grew 16 percent in 2018 thanks to surges in consumer spending on digital video services from players like Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu.
The report says that subscriptions to online streaming services grew 27 percent globally to 613.3 million in 2018, surpassing cable subscriptions (at 556 million) for the first time ever. "However, cable still drives more overall revenue than streaming -- it was the highest revenue platform in 2018, with $118 billion globally," Ars notes.

83 comments

  1. Well that's not so shocking by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How are you going to sell as much physical media when physical retail stores keep closing, and Amazon keeps trying to push customers to do streaming?

    fp?

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    1. Re:Well that's not so shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plenty of places sell them. Get outside once in a while.

    2. Re:Well that's not so shocking by markdavis · · Score: 2

      >"How are you going to sell as much physical media when physical retail stores keep closing, and Amazon keeps trying to push customers to do streaming?"

      And when discs are barely offered. And when prices are still too high. And in my case, when I want at least 3D for those movies which were and are still not offered. Jacking up prices by offering 4K discs, which nobody really needs or wants, didn't help either. And make sure to frustrate customers who BUY YOUR STUFF with irritating "previews" and unskippable crap. And offer more expensive "bundles" of DVD/Bluray which gives the customer one potentially useless disc, but at, you guessed it, higher prices (as if it adds value).

      Streaming can be nice- if you never want 'net-less access, and have good and unlimited bandwidth, and don't mind paying forever for content parts that disappear without notice, and don't mind the picture falling apart or suddenly going to 100P for a while, or studdering occasionally. Oh, and don't mind "subscribing" to more and more "services" to get what you used to get from one place.

    3. Re:Well that's not so shocking by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Why buy new? I buy used copies. They only need to work once for me to successfully rip them. After that, the disc goes on a shelf and we watch the ripped copy from Plex.

  2. Everyone buys LPs here by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 4, Funny

    DVDs and CDs are so last decade.

    Everyone around here buys LPs, except those who realize tape is even better.

    No, I'm not joking.

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    1. Re:Everyone buys LPs here by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Never liked tape. A pop here and there is infinitely preferable to that hiss. (And yes, I'm one of those.)

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    2. Re:Everyone buys LPs here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DVDs and CDs are so last decade.

      Everyone around here buys LPs, except those who realize tape is even better.

      No, I'm not joking.

      Just wait until they find out about CED.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_Electronic_Disc

    3. Re:Everyone buys LPs here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since this is about video, I suppose you're into LaserDisc as well.

    4. Re: Everyone buys LPs here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Personally I love DVDs, if I can't buy a download without DRM then I'll buy the DVD. If I can't do either then I'll pirate it.

    5. Re:Everyone buys LPs here by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      DVDs and CDs are so last decade.

      Everyone around here buys LPs, except those who realize tape is even better.

      If only someone could figure out a way to get movies onto a tape of some kind. They could call it a video cassette. Or something.

    6. Re:Everyone buys LPs here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DVDs and CDs are so last decade.

      Everyone around here buys LPs, except those who realize tape is even better.

      No, I'm not joking.

      In my neck of the cesspoolverse, we buy cylinders: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonograph_cylinder

    7. Re: Everyone buys LPs here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get some pretty new movies for $5 in the DVD bin. Easily ripped.

  3. pushed ot streaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't help sales that DVD releases are delayed to push people to streaming. Shows that used to release the next year are now languishing for years without fresh DVDs.

    1. Re:pushed ot streaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't help sales that DVD releases are delayed to push people to streaming. Shows that used to release the next year are now languishing for years without fresh DVDs.

      Mostly only for tv shows, or original content streaming shows, which makes sense. Big screen movies? I have no problem getting a dvd or blu ray copy the same year, usually within a few months, or less.

  4. Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty sure sales of Betamax, VHS, and Laserdisc movies are down too... what's your point?

    1. Re:Yeah by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pretty sure sales of Betamax, VHS, and Laserdisc movies are down too... what's your point?

      I know, right? And don't get me started on how hard it is to find good phonograph cylinders anymore.

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    2. Re:Yeah by jmccue · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points

      comments like this keeps me coming here

    3. Re:Yeah by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      You only get mod points when nobody has anything worth modding or they've already been modded appropriately or you want to join in on the discussion.

      Or you take a few days off and they just expire.

      That's not really true, but sometimes it feels like it.

    4. Re:Yeah by martinX · · Score: 2

      Wish I had mod points, too. Not to mod this up or anything. I just wish I had mod points.

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  5. Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by ffkom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I find most disturbing about the trend is how the younger generation seems to have lost the ability to discern the abysmal video quality of streaming services from the usually way better video quality from physical media.

    I can only speculate that when you grow up watching stuff mostly on tiny smartphone displays, you are prone to impaired eye-sight. At my biblical age, I can still see within seconds whether a UHD BluRay conveys a true 4k image or is just a cheap 2k upscale. But many of my younger colleagues seem to not notice any difference, even when I point out the most obvious areas on a paused still image. And even less are they able to see how compression artifacts differ from ordinary motion-blur in high-motion scenes.

    Therefore I expect the downward-spiral of readily available digital video quality will continue, with ever decreasing bandwidths and ever more aggressively "lossy" video codecs replacing actual image details with guesswork.

    1. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      What I find most disturbing about the trend is how the younger generation seems to have lost the ability to discern the abysmal video quality of streaming services from the usually way better video quality from physical media.

      Ya, but they're watching things on their phones, tables, laptops, etc... and not 40" - 60" HDTVs so they probably don't even notice how crappy the experience is.

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    2. Re: Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you similarly criticize the idiots still buying DVDs, right? Or are those folk just "old school" and "not buying into the latest fad". If your argument doesn't continue to "those not buying 8k bluerays on the latest 16k TV are idiots" you are a dirty hypocrite.

    3. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      What I find most disturbing about the trend is how the younger generation seems to have lost the ability to discern the abysmal video quality of streaming services from the usually way better video quality from physical media.

      Younger generation huh?

      I can't tell the difference between Blu-ray and Amazon/VUDU over my Comcast connection unless, for some reason, the bandwidth is constrained and the feed has to drop to a lower resolution. I don't see any artifacts and even back in the days when this was being introduced, I remember seeing people making comparisons between AppleTV's HD services and Blu-ray and finding it hard to come up with examples where there were any real differences - generally the only things that perform badly at 6Mbps are big fiery full-screen explosions.

      Is it me? Well, in addition to poorer resolution, I could always see the artifacts in DVD. Even on a shitty SD CRT. So my eyesight isn't that bad.

      This is not to say that someone with a trained eye can't tell the difference, I'm sure some can. But even among those, I'm fairly sure for most people streaming quality is "good enough".

      I don't think it has anything to do with people being "young", I think you're just a jackass.

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    4. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      https://xkcd.com/1683/

      These people hold their phone vertically while panning their child riding a bike. The septembers don't wander from the sign-laden, fenced-in areas of the internet, but the decays wrought (mostly by industries preying on them) by them have.

      This includes audio, any media, any $aaS. And while I hate how it's affected systems, it's hard for me to blame an industry for just making the most lucrative moves. You might say that music has become shitty, has become all image, formulaic, etc etc, but consider that unlike, say, grooming a headphone jack away, the industry did so as a RESPONSE, that the masses had no such taste to begin with. The kardasians are a symptom, rather than causing themselves. We're idiots who buy shit that says "wibbly wobbly is coming" or "may the excelsior be with you" without noticing a thing.

      It's not like I'm paying much attention to the screen anyway. For one, I'm too hopeless to determine any of my own viewing, I'm gonna end up with what the service wants to push. I need to. So now there's some hypesational LC-denominator thing on. Which I only put on because I crave the sensation of social activity in my vicinity. Even if I WAS a person that could be described as "discerning", all I have is dreck not worth HQ anyway.

      So I'll swallow the blocky darks, choppy motion, upscaled shit, and pay to do it.

    5. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Drethon · · Score: 2

      What I find most disturbing about the trend is how the younger generation seems to have lost the ability to discern the abysmal video quality of streaming services from the usually way better video quality from physical media.

      I can only speculate that when you grow up watching stuff mostly on tiny smartphone displays, you are prone to impaired eye-sight. At my biblical age, I can still see within seconds whether a UHD BluRay conveys a true 4k image or is just a cheap 2k upscale. But many of my younger colleagues seem to not notice any difference, even when I point out the most obvious areas on a paused still image. And even less are they able to see how compression artifacts differ from ordinary motion-blur in high-motion scenes.

      Therefore I expect the downward-spiral of readily available digital video quality will continue, with ever decreasing bandwidths and ever more aggressively "lossy" video codecs replacing actual image details with guesswork.

      I had my CRT TV well into the time of LCD displays, just bought a 4k tv a year ago or so because the costs have come down. Honestly I still don't care about BluRay as a crappy show in UHD is still a crappy show and few good shows in standard definition lose much of what makes them a good show. Though I will admit a few documentaries or movies in UHD are fricken gorgeous compared to standard def.

    6. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      ... as a crappy show in UHD is still a crappy show ...

      Like when TV stations advertise that they have the News in "high-def" -- it's the freaking news people.

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    7. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you really trying to argue the retread crap pumped out by hollywood is BETTER in high def?

      lol.

      get off your lawn right?

    8. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4k crap is still crap. You can polish a turd, but it is still a turd. Pro-tip: high res video is potatochopped to death with a digital effects box because you really don't want to see high res zits and facial wrinkles. It's all fake at that resolution. Captcha: credible

    9. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"Though I will admit a few documentaries or movies in UHD are fricken gorgeous compared to standard def."

      If by "standard def" you mean (480I/P), sure. I totally agree. But almost nobody at normal 10' viewing distance from a 70" 4K TV upscaling from *quality* 1080P can tell any difference between that and actual 4K (UHD) source material. And by almost nobody, I mean way less than 1%.... and even then, it is probably only due to HDR, not resolution.

      4K Bluray is mostly a marketing scheme without utility... already being rejected by the market mostly because the discs are not backwards compatible and cost more. Also rejected was 3D, although that actually adds something useful and interesting, especially when shot well. And THOSE discs ARE backwards compatible (can be played on any Bluray player through any TV in 2D). Plus, it is still the ONLY way to get quality 3D content.

    10. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

      "the younger generation seems to have lost the ability to discern the abysmal video quality of streaming services from the usually way better video quality from physical media."

      Most people who arent videophiles get used to whatever they are watching within a few minutes.
      The content is what matters most, for most people, and a way to relax. Heck how many people watch straight up cams, or did, back before web rips and the rapid release cycle made me never have to wait more than 6 months for any sort of show or movie in perfect digital quality at any bitrate i want.

      I just got a new 1080p projector (Upgrade from 720 that i had for 10 years) and it looks fantastic. Its all relative man.

      Anyone old, remembers all the shitty formats of the past, from vhs to dvd, so they also would theoretically have no problem with streaming services.. I guess i challenge your premise that this is:
      a) limited to "the young"
      and
      b) actually a problem

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    11. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      What I find most disturbing about the trend is how the younger generation seems to have lost the ability to discern the abysmal video quality of streaming services from the usually way better video quality from physical media.

      Oh the huge manatee!

      It's not the youth, it's more or less everybody. They either can't tell, don't notice or don't care and it simply doesn't bother them. There's no reason they should care either.

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    12. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      The annoying thing with streaming is that the quality varies depending on available bandwidth, and the available bandwidth fluctuates often especially on consumer connections...
      I'd rather download the whole movie at a decent quality, and then watch it, or watch it offline when i'm without connectivity (eg while flying).

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    13. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      And how much of that upgrade is due to 1080p vs 720p, and how much is due to the projector being newer and having a fresh bulb etc not to mention confirmation bias?

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    14. Re: Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhd has other benefits in addition to 4k resolution. It had a wider color gamut capable of reproducing more realistic images and high dynamic range. These both make for a better images even on smaller displays.

      The 4k aspect is easiest to market, but had actual impact for a smaller market. I have 100" screen and sit about 8' away so the resolution is useful.

      When Joe six-pack watches a uhd disc on his "4k" TV and notices it looks fantastic it may not even be the resolution that he is noticing. It could very well be these other improvements.

    15. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I just don't think it matters for most content. For every somber, low-contrast film like Aliens there's ten garish, high-contract flicks like Legally Blonde. Video quality only really matters when there's a lot of detail, or a lot of shades of black (perhaps from blackish, to none more black.) And unless you're in an ideal situation, you might not be able to see the difference either; it might be less significant than dust or reflections on the display. The same is true of audio quality, too. There are certain things MP3 doesn't do well, but unless you have high-end audio gear, you aren't going to be able to tell the difference in most cases — and those cases are few and far between to start with, so you won't even encounter them very often.

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    16. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      I have a projector that is currently throwing a roughly 85" diagonal image. When I hold up my phone about a foot away it completely blocks the screen and has roughly the same number of pixels.

    17. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like millions people I often just watch illegal streaming so the quality is bad from start to finish - somewhat decent but bad, at 360p H264.
      It's enough for some things, but makes me miss broadcast quality of the 90s in PAL/SECAM. It was really high quality, on antenna (cable was rare).
      Similarly DVD is a lot better than youtube 720p

    18. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Streaming 1080p is pretty darn close to Bluray. Close enough that I extremely rarely get distracted by it, and I find any amount of blocking or blurring very annoying. I have a quite discerning eye and notice compression artifact that most of my tech friends can't, even when pointed out and replayed. I have to take it frame by frame just so they can see it. Most streamed 1080p is quite sharp with little blocking. Some 1080p I think is 720 or even 480. I don't know if it's compression or the original recording, but it can get quite distracting.

      Anime compressed really well. Even paused, it can look very sharp with no major issues. Though, I do regularly notice some select less annoying distortions that I'm not as familiar with, but I wonder if it's intentional to help with contrast.

    19. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      The annoying thing with streaming is that the quality varies depending on available bandwidth, and the available bandwidth fluctuates often especially on consumer connections...
      I'd rather download the whole movie at a decent quality, and then watch it, or watch it offline when i'm without connectivity (eg while flying).

      No, the annoying thing with streaming is you're renting your "owned" copy. At any time the copy can disappear off the streaming site (and it's happened many times).

      Short of outright theft, Disney and company can't take back my Blu-Rays and DVDs of movies I bought so I can continue to watch them. Not so much if you bought those movies off some other service.

      Physical sales means they can't simply remove the content you've paid for.

    20. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how much of that upgrade is due to 1080p vs 720p, and how much is due to the projector being newer and having a fresh bulb etc not to mention confirmation bias?

      I have a 1080p TV and I can tell a 720p (DVD) source from a higher one (BluRay). Sure, I can. I just have to get up off the sofa and get closer to the TV than is comfortable to view it. But I can tell and I have 20/15 vision with correction.

    21. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DVDs have pretty crappy compression. Even the 10Mb/s 1080i IP-TV STB from my ISP looks better than the few DVDs of some movies that I have. So happened to be playing some movies from time to time, and I put them side-by-side. Would take it frame by fame, compare both paused and playing. DVD much more blurry and had more discernible compression artifacts.

    22. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Drethon · · Score: 1

      >"Though I will admit a few documentaries or movies in UHD are fricken gorgeous compared to standard def."

      If by "standard def" you mean (480I/P), sure. I totally agree. But almost nobody at normal 10' viewing distance from a 70" 4K TV upscaling from *quality* 1080P can tell any difference between that and actual 4K (UHD) source material. And by almost nobody, I mean way less than 1%.... and even then, it is probably only due to HDR, not resolution.

      4K Bluray is mostly a marketing scheme without utility... already being rejected by the market mostly because the discs are not backwards compatible and cost more. Also rejected was 3D, although that actually adds something useful and interesting, especially when shot well. And THOSE discs ARE backwards compatible (can be played on any Bluray player through any TV in 2D). Plus, it is still the ONLY way to get quality 3D content.

      Yeah, talking 480 vs UHD. I think the video looks smoother between 1080P and UHD, but it could all be in my head.

    23. Re:Generation Smartphone with impaired eye-sight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because you're a little boy who wasn't even alive when physical media was around and you're getting all defensive over your lack of experience and life.

  6. No worries... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will blame pirates and piracy somehow for falling sales.

    Also, will want more taxes on computer shit.

    1. Re:No worries... by Falos · · Score: 1

      You're followed by a post saying overall sales are up.

      And yet you're right. They'll still say it. If not to get their way lobbying, as the familiar pacifier put into the faces of The Holy Shareholders. Sorry I didn't bring you more free money, sirs. I would have, if it wasn't for those meddling pirates.

  7. Missing major points by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

    While physical sales have declined, overall sales are up by $15B because of digital purchases. The article somehow doesn’t mention that.

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    1. Re:Missing major points by Solandri · · Score: 1

      And that year-over-year revenue increased by 9% (10% in the U.S.), which is far above the rate of inflation. So it isn't just a case of DVD/Blu-ray buyers switching to streaming. Their increase in steaming revenue exceeds what you'd expect if disc-buyers had simply switched to streaming.

    2. Re:Missing major points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep, I bet they are not including USED, SECONDHAND and GARAGE sales.
      Some used outlets are thinking about not stocking DVD's and CD's - even the used shops are doing it tough. My motto is never buy retail.

      Well, I am buying up big on those low def DVD's Streaming quality is shit, my internet speed it shit, and I am 100% intolerant of commercials and plugs - so streaming has a way to catch up. The day when streaming companies say, well -you did not use it enough that month, just pay us one dollar, .5 * $10 is a lot of money, when I should be working or doing chores.

    3. Re:Missing major points by luther349 · · Score: 1

      i still put my favrets on good old dvd. 8gb dl-dvd are still cheaper then 400gb of flash meda. also you can store them pretty much forever. of course they are data disk not your normal dvd movie.

    4. Re:Missing major points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is also forgetting to mention how MPAA blames all of this on piracy.

  8. piracy is down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that they no longer make any movies worth stealing

  9. Wanna sell ? Lower the price ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wanna sell ? Lower the price !
    Bluray prices should be on par with dvd by now.

  10. Because all the Blockbusters have closed by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    Without Blockbuster, where can you go get a DVD? I mean, I am really finding it hard to rent anything in VHS.

    1. Re:Because all the Blockbusters have closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The public library, duh.

  11. So where is holographic storage? by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

    You know, the supposedly next big thing in "inexpensive" write-once storage.

    1. Re:So where is holographic storage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buried under patent if I were to guess.
      It had the badluck of being invented too soon, right when sony was pushing blu-ray full throttle.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

      at 6TB per disc I'm pretty sure the optical disc would still be around.

  12. You have to wonder by bobstreo · · Score: 2

    what percentage of those sales are to Netflix and RedBox video rentals.

    They have no way of tracking sales of "used" Blu-rays and DVDs, which are both pretty healthy, but the MPAA can';t profit off those sales (yet)

    1. Re:You have to wonder by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"what percentage of those sales are to Netflix and RedBox video rentals."

      Apparently not enough because I have a dozen titles in my Netflix bluray queue that Netflix refuses to replace or the industry refuses to sell to Netflex. I watched 2 of a 3 disc series and the 3rd disc was damaged in shipping and I have now been waiting 2 *YEARS* for Netflix to get at least a SINGLE disc for the entire COUNTRY. And this was a major blockbuster, not something obscure.

    2. Re:You have to wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they're all just sitting on in the drawers of old people who had the movie in the queue before you and then threw everything in a drawer when company came over and forgot about it. (e.g. My parents once kept the same disc out for over 2 years.)

  13. The CD and the Damage Done by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 0

    THE CD AND THE DAMAGE DONE an editorial by Neil Young (c. 1992)

    I'm a huge Neil Young fan, but sometimes he has some ...interesting ideas.

    (emphasis blow is mine)

    We're living in the darkest age of musical
    sound.
    When they started capturing music on
    records a long time ago-on 78's--the sound was
    pretty shaky.Then it got a little better, and from
    that point on, right up to the beginning of digital recording,
      everything that was done was better than the digital recordings
    that are being made today. Digital is completely wrong. It's a farce.

    They've improved digital technology to the
    point where you can at least say,"Hey, that's music."
    But your brain and your heart are starved for
    a challenge, and there's no challenge, there are
    no possibilities, there's no imagination. You're
    hearing simulated music. Your brain is capable of
    taking in an incredible amount of information,
    and the beauty of music should be like water
    washing over you. But digitally recorded music is
    like ice cubes washing over you. It's not the same.

    My album Everyone Knows This Is Nowhere is
    now available on CD, but it's not as good as the
    original, which came out in 1969. Listening to
    a CD islike looking through a screen window If
    you get right up next to a screen window, you can
    see all kinds of different colors through each
    hole. Well, imagine if all that color had to be
    reduced to only one color per hole-that's what
    digital recording does to sound.
    All that gets
    recorded is what's dominant at each moment. I
    would like to hear guitars again, with the warmth,
    the highs, the lows, the air, the electricity, the
    vibrancy of something that's real, instead of just
    a duplication of the dominant factors. It's an insult
    to the brain and heart and feelings to have
    to listen to this and think it's music.

    There's a certain emptiness in the air these
    days.Youthink that it might be today'smusic, because
      it just isn't as heartfelt as yesterday's.
      Everybody says, "Well, business came in and took
    over, and they ruined music," but that's just an
    excuse. The real reason istechnical. It's not that
    people don't have souls anymore. All these bands
    have got huge souls and can't wait to play; they
    just can't figure out why their albums don't sound
    as good as some of the things they used to hear.

    I've been making records for twenty-six years,
    and I'm telling you: from the early 1980s up till
    now, and probably for another ten or fifteen
    years to come-this is the darkest time ever for
    recorded music. We'll come out the other end
    and it'll be okay, but we'll look back and go,
    "Wow, that was the digital age. I wonder what
    that music really sounded like. We got so carried
    away that we never even really recorded it. We
    just made digital records of it." That's what people will say-mark my words.

    And then he started selling Ponos. I'm not a big enough of a Neil Young fan to buy one though.

    1. Re:The CD and the Damage Done by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Young's entire argument applies at noticeably low resolutions. There is always a digital resolution at which any given expert will find a digital recording indistinguishable from a clean analog, assuming that such an analog recording exists.

    2. Re:The CD and the Damage Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what ol' Neil thinks of this stuff what passes for music in the 2010s...

    3. Re:The CD and the Damage Done by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      What a load of pretentious crap.

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    4. Re:The CD and the Damage Done by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Young's entire argument applies at noticeably low resolutions. There is always a digital resolution at which any given expert will find a digital recording indistinguishable from a clean analog, assuming that such an analog recording exists.

      For playback, CD is enough for any human ear.

      There's a half-argument for going to 48kHz because it allows for a more gradual rolloff in the reconstruction filter, and I wouldn't argue against it, but all this 192kHz/24bit stuff being thrown around by "golden ears" is rubbish. 16 bits and 44/48kHz is more then enough for playback.

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    5. Re:The CD and the Damage Done by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Wow. That is probably one of the most complex and ignorant things I've ever read on the subject.

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    6. Re:The CD and the Damage Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That isn't true. If you look at the sinc() shaped transform of the step function (as in zero order hold, the "raw" output of a sampled signal on an ordinary DAC) you should see there is notable damping effect at high frequency.

      In order to avoid this issue real DACs use delta-sigma conversion or other methods to produce Nth order integrated pulse output at frequencies up to several times the source data sample rate.

      So while the data does not need to be stored above approximately 40 kHz + 1, higher rates are absolutely required for accurate reproduction approximating the requirements of the Nyquist-Shannon theorem.

  14. The MPAA can't see the forest by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2

    for the trees apparently.

    My guess is this is due to the fact that their executive levels are all staffed with older generations who grew up under different rules.
    Time to hire some new blood if, for nothing else, to learn what needs to be modified with their business model.

    Here's a tip:

    The " new " generations doesn't want to be bogged down with physical stuff. They want the content available to them, on demand and a la carte, with an infinite choice of platforms to experience said content. ( Phones, Tablets, PCs, Consoles, etc )

    They don't want to have to buy*:
    ( * Multiple times every time the format changes. See Betamax -> VHS -> Laserdisc -> DvD -> Blu Ray -> 4K -> Streaming -> ? )

    1) An industry approved Smart Tv.
    2) An industry approved content player.
    3) An industry approved audio system.
    4) A dozen different subscription services because exclusive content can only be found on Service X or Y.

    Your physical media sales are down because the new generation is learning that, most of the time, steaming is " good enough ".
    It doesn't compete with the likes of BluRay or 4K ( streaming video compression sucks and I have yet to see any stream with 7.1 DTS / ATMOS ) but " good enough " is where most of your sales are going to be.

    If you don't do something about the exclusive content being locked into Service X, you're going to start seeing your streaming services die off as well and get replaced with the always reliable Yarr Matey versions.

    The sooner you figure out that non-exclusive streaming is where things are going, the better the odds your business will survive to see the next evolution.

    1. Re:The MPAA can't see the forest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a few factors at play.

      First I have been buying movies for a few decades now. I did the VHS->DVD/Bluray change over. I am not replacing anything. The last two formats are 'good enough' for me. I skipped 3d. I am mostly skipping UHD. I only have them when the cost is equal to a bluray. For most I buy on DVD as the cost just does not need to be that high for me to justify bothering with a bluray for a mediocre drama. But once I own it I am not likely to buy a new one at this point. DVD for most movies is fine. I have replaced a couple select special effects style movies but not enough for it to be interesting. But also once I own it...

      Streaming is replacing rental at a shocking rate. Rental used to be a huge market that these guys sold into.

      Most people do not want to lug around mounds of plastic. So they rip to stream it or just stream it from somewhere. Also most people are good with seeing a movie once and never again. As most movies are pretty bad with a small handful worth keeping.

      The sooner you figure out that non-exclusive streaming is where things are going, the better the odds your business will survive to see the next evolution.
      Tell that to Disney. They are killing off physical and creating a vertical locked in platform (fox, disney, new line). Ultraviolet was to be that 'universal platform'. Well that lasted about 5 years. Disney did not like that so they worked to kill it. So they can have their own moat. They are all circling the wagons and want to lock you in at 20-50 a month. Watch the first year or two to be 'cheap' then ever increasing in cost. So you can maybe watch some old TV show from the 60s. That is what will keep physical around for a long time. Right now the streaming platforms are 'cheap enough'. But eventually they will become like cable. Too expensive to justify. Watch for portable file formats to make a resurgence.

      I am personally hedging my bets. I am buying more physical than ever. I have completely pivoted away from other peoples streaming. I rip my own and own my files and have my own local streaming. Movie companies come and go like the wind (streaming companies will too). MGM at one point was *the* company to beat. Now they are a small subsidiary of a company that makes mostly crap movies. Their bread and butter is from an acquisition Time Warner made and merged into MGM, United Artists (bond franchise). But all 4 of those companies at one point were powerhouses that could do no wrong. Well all they have is their back catalogs at this point. Like 'the cloud' you are only as good as they are making money off you. When they get bored or sell themselves to some hedge fund suddenly all bets are off and your collection/access goes 'poof'.

      I buy about 30-40 discs per year. The last couple of years the quality was pretty bad in the story realm. Visual wise they were top shelf. You can see what I mean here https://www.imdb.com/search/ti... Almost none of those movies are 'got to have that' (maybe 3 or 4 usually it is at least 10 or more). More along the lines of catch it on streaming/rental and I am pretty good forever never seeing them again. It is not looking good for this year either.

      The value prop is about to radically change in the movie realm. 20-30+ dollars for 1 disc or catch it on rental/streaming for 5-10 bucks and you have access to thousands of other movies tomorrow at no additional cost for a very dull movie. They will have to lower the cost of the medium soon or they will kill it off. Maybe that is the plan...

    2. Re:The MPAA can't see the forest by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Most people don't have the hardware to take advantage of higher quality video and audio anyway... Even a lot of people who buy a large tv set tend to use the built in speakers instead of having a decent sound setup.

      Although that brings an annoyance, hdmi being a single cable instead of separate channels for audio and video forces you to upgrade your audio receiver at the same time as your tv set.

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    3. Re: The MPAA can't see the forest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some Netflix streams have Atmos. Only if you pay for their highest tier though. They advertise it as the only way to get 4k streams, but it's also the only way to get the highest quality audio on their service.

  15. When physical media dies, I stop buying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DVD is still my first choice: it's much cheaper (sometimes only a couple dollars), the DRM is thoroughly broken, and even lossless MKV rips are small.

    Streaming has its place, but if I'm forced to rent something that I'd rather buy, instead I won't pay at all.

  16. Inverse proportion of DRM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CDs added DRM, DVDs had CSS and then some post-CSS drm that broke things on older players.

    Bluray has phone home DRM that required regular player key updates to be able to play...

    Notice a trend here?

    LPs have none of that, plus the retro-nostalgia of an earlier better time.

    I bed if they started providing DRM free DVDs and Blurays they would see an uptick in purchases among people who don't like streaming services or prefer to have their media purchases in physical format.

    Personally I can attest that the limit on purchasing media for me has been a LACK of mainstream media to purchase rather than a lack of interest. I've spend at least $100 usd in the past 2 years on 'legacy' DVD collections I was interested in, but as a full time linux user with only a legacy dvd player and a PC bluray drive for a linux PC, I can't watch Blurays unless the keys have been leaked for that particular disc, whereas DVDs are almost always playable thanks to the weakness of CSS and the fact that many of the 'old timey' DVDs I am buying don't have DRM to begin with.

    1. Re:Inverse proportion of DRM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CDs don't have DRM, numbnuts. That is exactly why Sony's attempt to add DRM to CDs was so infamous.
      Sony's infected discs were NOT allowed to carry the offical CD logo, by the way.

  17. I have never held a blu-ray in hands by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 1

    but am watching high-def videos daily. I've never had a blu-ray disk player either. Had dome DVDs and a player but haven't been using them for the past few years. Who ever buys this physical garbage any more when everything is available over the net?..

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    1. Re:I have never held a blu-ray in hands by Sandman1971 · · Score: 1

      There's advantages and disadvantages to both.
      Sure, services like Netflix have tons of choice, but they rotate their selection. Or movies get pulled to be put on a competing service (IE: Disney+). Heck, even some movies that people bought the viewing rights to on iTunes were pulled, so you could no longer watch the movie that you paid for. There's also the odd time that the internet might go down. With physical media, you never have to worry about where to watch it, what service to register to or if it will get pulled. You'll always have access to that content. And you can do like a lot of folks, rip the movie, put it on a NAS, and get the best of both worlds.

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    2. Re:I have never held a blu-ray in hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Netflix and other streaming services aren't available in many countries. Search engines, torrents and large hard drives are. They are not subject to the limitations you list.

  18. No shit with the DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You wanna know why I haven't bought any new Blu-Ray media? Because the last Blu-Ray disc I bought wouldn't work with my hardware blu-ray player. Why? Updaed keys, and no updates existed for my blu-ray player.

    So fuck you, Sony. You and companies using your platform get no sales from me.

  19. Re:Well that's not so shocking - Napster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ayup - the decline in the music and movie business is all due to Napster...

  20. mind candy vs. eye candy by epine · · Score: 1

    At my biblical age, I can still see within seconds whether a UHD BluRay conveys a true 4k image or is just a cheap 2k upscale.

    I can still tell the difference, but I simply don't care. An idiot behind a ludicrously expensive camera is still just an idiot behind a camera. I can almost always tell if there's an idiot behind the camera within five minutes, regardless of video format.

    More generally, camera = script + casting director + DP + director + editor, these being the core of the essential creative team (costumes, sets, and special effects are plus items, but not essential).

    The talent component is complex. You don't always need Tom Hanks. I've seen many productions featuring five people you've never heard of who hit it out of the park (for a small value of "park", minus the preposterous spectacle we're usually sold instead of a competent story).

  21. Streaming is not the product by philmarcracken · · Score: 1

    Bad news bears for us that still want a digital product, but not in streaming form.

    >bad for network infrastructure(creating a peak hour)
    >bad for picking winners and losers(subscription models reward all)
    >bad for quality(reducing bitrate reduces bandwidth costs)
    >bad for accessibility(they locked 4k behind certain intel cpus and windows 10 edge browser)
    >bad for portability(no internet, you're fucked)
    >bad for editing and making the dankest memes(no file)

    All I want is a steam like platform on which they offer full seasons or the movie in AV1 wrapped in mkv for a set price and a similar review system(to stop them fucking with the bitrate).

    Is that so much to ask for?

  22. DVD stat. not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The DVD sales stat. is not surprising given not all AACS variants are cracked, i.e. you can actually backup a DVD.
    There will likely be a move to BluRay once the players are down to $30 and AACS is fully dead, so you can get all the content as you currently can with DVD.

    If you are not buying the disc but the movie as the packaging claims, then disc replacements should be free for your lifetime with proof of purchase.

  23. Crappy Phone rez... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is about the same quality as non-HD TV is/was.

    I speak as a child of the 80s-90s. While I can get higher resolution media, most of the time I prefer a faster download rate over a higher quality of media. Most of it is throwaway content anyway and details in the background don't make much of a difference to the plot, character development, etc. Only that rare show that takes full advantage of its media is worth high resolution, and those shows and movies are few and far between.

    That said, the real killer of media sales is the online activated DRM for Bluray discs. When you have to connect your player to the internet in order to watch the content you have on disc, the utility of offline media is eliminated. And that is really what has brought the millenial and post-millenial generation into their mostly-streaming mindset. It's convenient, it's on the go, and it's the exact same DRM you'd have on physical discs, but with all the media at your finger tips, no disc change or format shifting required.

    There are still members of these new generations learning to enjoy the benefits of legacy media and tech, but most people don't care enough for those nuances or differentiations to make a difference. they are consumers and will have moved on to the new platform within 2-4 years, leaving the previous iteration to the annals of history as they march forward on their path of consumption. Neither is right or wrong, at least until society collapses. Then the consumers will be left adrift while the techies and legacy media enthusiasts may have what it takes to keep going, or recover from the brink. But until such a situation arises the consumers will continue to economically drive the march forward towards progress or regress, whichever way the market flows.